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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:18 PM
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Arab Man Convicted Of Rape After Posing As Jew To Seduce Woman
Arab Man Convicted Of Rape After Posing As Jew To Seduce Woman

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/21/arab-man-convicted-of-rap_n_654425.html

An Israeli man of Arab descent has been convicted of rape after allegedly duping a Jewish woman into having consensual sex with him.

30-year-old Sabbar Kashur was sentenced to 18 months in prison on Monday after a Jerusalem court ruled he was guilty of rape by deception. According to the complaint filed by the woman, Kashur, an Arab living in East Jerusalem, introduced himself in September 2008 as a Jewish bachelor seeking a serious relationship.

After the two met outside of a local grocery store, they had consensual sex shortly thereafter in a nearby building. When she found out that Kashur was Arab and not Jewish, the woman filed a criminal complaint for rape and indecent assault. Those claims were later changed to a formal charge of rape by deception as the result of a plea bargain arrangement.

Judge Zvi Segal ruled that although not "a classical rape by force," Kashur had pursued the relationship through deception and under false pretenses -- and the woman would not have consented otherwise. "If she hadn't thought the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," Segal wrote in the ruling.

According to Haaretz, Kashur is vowing to appeal, and has fired back by calling the ruling "racist."

"If I were Jewish, they wouldn't have even questioned me," he said. "That's not called rape. I didn't rape her in the forest and throw her away naked. She agreed to everything that happened."
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:21 PM
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1. Obviously there is something going on here that I don't get.
Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 05:57 PM by CaliforniaPeggy
So, I retract my comments.

Today I am more fatigued than normally.

And this is interfering with my so-called intellect.

Back off.

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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:26 PM
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5. Oh well I think I will just cut my penis off.
So if I said I like a womans music as a lie to get to know her better I could be charged with misrepresentation rape? Yeah safer to whack my dick off with a cleaver.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:27 PM
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6. Really?? Does that go both ways?
If she had lied to him and said she was Arab, would you support a rape conviction for her?

If so, the word "rape" has lost all meaning.
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:29 PM
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8. Yes Means No... too?
Shit, this is going to get confusing.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:37 PM
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10. this is about bigotry, not rape
she went t far and above to convict this man because he wasn't Jewish. Sorry, but this is about bigotry, and while the idiot who lied deserves to be shamed, a conviction of rape is absolutely ridiculous.
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:37 PM
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11. That's absolutely rediculous.
So any man who lies to a woman in the course of seducing her is guilty of rape?

So if a cashier at McDonald's tells a woman he's a fund manager for Goldman Sachs, and she has consensual sex - he's guilty of rape?

How about a married woman who says, "I'm single" and a guy sleeps with her. Is she guilty of rape?
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:42 PM
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15. This is the worst post I have ever seen you make.
I hope that you will rethink this and admit you are wrong.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:51 PM
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19. ???? you ? say that ... out of all people .
I guess no one is perfect
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:53 PM
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21. i am a rape victim
by this standard

and a rapist too

and so is just about every non virgin in the human race

you would lock up women who lie about their age?

why do i suspect you wouldn\'t?

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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 06:00 PM
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25. Thanks for retracting (nt)
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:23 PM
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2. Think of the panic
if something like this was enforced in the U.S..
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:24 PM
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3. "calling the ruling racist"
ya think?

This outrageous decision is something that might have happened in our country in the past.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:25 PM
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4. Or in Germany n/t
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:58 PM
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22. It reminded me
of the old book Passing.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:27 PM
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7. What if he had lied about being rich?
Or about being an artist?
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:34 PM
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9. "I'm a TV producer"
Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 05:40 PM by tjwash
And my Porsche is paid for too--really :thumbsup:

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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:37 PM
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12. Okay, I'm screwed!
What do you think about a twin brother who poses as his twin to obtain sex? Afterall, they're basically getting the same package. Is that rape by deception? What if the sex was better?
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:58 PM
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23. i actually think that is worse
more like rape

rapier?

she thought she was actually having sex with a diferent person. whereas the jewish woman knew who she was boinking, she just thought he had different religious beliefs.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:38 PM
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13. he's being convicted for being Arabic
this is a pretty clear case of bigotry... the liar should be ashamed, but to convict him of rape??? Uh-Uh....
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 06:10 PM
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27. He sure is. Think a Jewish guy who pretended to be a CEO or TV star to get in her pants
would have been arrested, let alone convicted?

:rofl:

Israel and America share the same RW Authoritarian creepiness now. As a Jewish person, I am filled with shame and horror at both nations descent into Medievalism, Authoriarianism and Barbarism.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 06:44 PM
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30. yeah... don't feel too ashamed... assholes should never represent any of us
Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 06:45 PM by fascisthunter
this asshole in particular represents all other assholes before her not the Jewish faith.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:42 PM
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14. So basically he lied to get a one night stand? Uh, that doesn't sound like rape.
Sorry, but this is not rape. She consented. I mean, her main problem is that he's an arab, not that he forced her, drugged her or kidnapped her. It's because he's arab, and he lied to get with her.

Sounds more like the plot of a romantic comedy than rape.

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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 06:21 PM
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28. So, women who die their hair blonde.......
...see where I'm going with this?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:43 PM
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16. "I didn't rape her in the forest and throw her away naked."
Chivalry isn't dead!

...do I really need a sarcasm smilie?
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:48 PM
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17. Reminds me a little of "breach of promise" lawsuits.
...Standard plot devices of Victorian novels, where a man is sued for backing out of the commitment to marry a woman.
Even the judge's wording, that the woman wouldn't have consented " if she hadn't thought that the accused was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated...." sounds rather Victorian.
But then again, how can it be breach of promise? How could one even form an opinion of a man's serious intentions during a random first meeting outside a grocery store?
The story...stipulated to by both parties, is that she went off to have sex with him after that initial meeting in a "nearby building."
This sounds very strange to me.
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jah the baptist Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 06:22 PM
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29. random strangers in nearby buildings
as long as they arent filthy AYrabs

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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:51 PM
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18. Oh no , she did the nasty with an Ay-raab , now she has cooties.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:52 PM
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20. I guess all those frat boys pretending to be astronauts are in trouble now?
:shrug:
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 06:00 PM
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26. "The Eagle has TOTALLY landed, brah!"
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:59 PM
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24. dupe
Edited on Wed Jul-21-10 06:00 PM by Nye Bevan
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