15 year old girl caught stripping at a club for 2nd time...

[Green_Lantern]

"An underage girl found dancing at a strip bar earlier this year was caught dancing at another topless club on the same day the first establishment was padlocked, police said Tuesday.

Officers went to Club Onyx in Detroit on Monday night after getting a tip that an underage girl was dancing, police spokesman John Roach said. The 15-year-old they found was the same girl who at age 14 was performing at All Stars Lounge in April, he said.

Police arrested a manager at Club Onyx, Roach said. Roach said the club could be shuttered and the manager could be charged with child sexually abusive activity.

"It says a lot about the girl's situation but also it says a lot about the way some of these clubs operate," Roach said of the discovery."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38241472/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[Broke In Jersey]

1. Its HER body - its her right to do with it as she pleases!!!!

[uncommon]

2. Not at 15 it isn't. It's basically kiddie porn. nt

[Kalyke]

5. I doubt that stripping pleases her.

She probably HAS to do it to eat.

[uncommon]

10. No, women and girls strip and prostitute themselves because they luuuuuuuurve it.

:puke:

[Green_Lantern]

18. I think some love the money they make...

It depends on the club. I doubt this club fits that profile.

[seabeyond]

19. except every last stripper i know cant pay their electrical bill, so i wont put a lot of stock

in the money

[uncommon]

22. A good point

[mkultra]

39. nah, its the money

Ive known enough to say for sure that they all do it for the money and most suck at managing their finances.(and life ftm)

[Kalyke]

45. You're right - they don't anymore.

Club owners have gotten some ideas from our corporate overlords. Now, instead of paying the stripper a wage plus tips, they call the stripper a subcontractor who must pay the club to rent the space and, if she pays $100 for the space and only makes $110 in tips, she brings home a whopping 10 bucks.

[yella_dawg]

65. You should introduce your strippers to the strippers I know.

One close friend earned a PhD without a penny in student loans. Moonlighted off and on for several years after graduation. My ex-wife got a bachelor's degree the same way, while driving a new car every few years and paying off a damned nice house early.


Oh yeah. The ex enjoyed stripping.

[seabeyond]

66. ah, so you have a dawg in this, lol lol. i hear... but i have met a number of gals over the years

and yet to see the money or the degrees. just hear the stories.

[Marr]

77. Boy, that's not my experience.

The strippers I've known made very good money indeed.

[uncommon]

20. They love the money they make better than their other options. That is the

point.

It is a testament to the sickness of our society that a woman can make more money dancing naked for skeeze balls than she can doing "honest" work.

[Green_Lantern]

26. what about women working at Hooters??

Who defines "honest work"?

I don't think it is a reflection of the sickness of our society since all societies have had people using sexuality to make money or appease the gods.

Not all of it is abusive.

[Cleita]

29. Waitresses at Hooters are dancing naked?

I doubt it.

[Green_Lantern]

33. that's not what I mean..

I mean women at Hooters wearing tight shirts and short shorts. You don't think that brings in big tips?

[LisaL]

53. Considering that based on the story, her mother appears to have

tried without success to stop that behavior, I very much doubt it.

[YOY]

7. Um...no. Thanks for playing.

n.t.

[WinkyDink]

8. Thanks for the Joke of the Day post.

[uppityperson]

11. Like women who want to wear burqas in France, right?

Sounds like the girl has some issues but strip clubs should not be hiring minors to strip. Shame on them.

[RadiationTherapy]

30. Yeah, yeah, yeah - you are anti-abortion. Big deal.

[Dorian Gray]

69. Um.... okay

she's a minor. Not her decision.

[AnArmyVeteran]

72. That's what a libertarian would say

Libertarians are against ALL regulations and ALL laws. They are also against ALL government services, but they use everything the government offers. Libertarians are hypocrites.

But I'm not talking abut you because I know you're just joking...

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

82. A precious nugget of a comment.

You're a gem, darlin'

[leeroysphitz]

3. DPD plant.

Detroit has been dying to shut down the strip clubs for years. Looks like they've found a fool proof way to do it.
I wonder how many other clubs this poor girl will be "caught" dancing at.

[uncommon]

12. How about --

she did it because she can make enough money off of pervs to survive when she can only make a couple hundred bucks a week working legally for minimum wage.

[NashVegas]

48. That Makes It OK Then

[uppityperson]

13. Clubs that hire minors to strip should be shut down

[Xithras]

28. Many clubs don't actually "hire" anyone.

There is a strip club not far from me and, yes, I've been there.

Essentially, it's a bar with a stage on one end. Women who want to strip there merely have to sign up first so they can be scheduled. They don't work for the bar/club, and aren't paid by the bar/club. The bar lets them strip to pull in the patrons, and the stripper earns whatever she gets in tips. Some clubs actually charge the strippers a "house fee" for the right to use their stage.

A good stripper in a popular club can pull in more than a thousand dollars a night. A mediocre stripper in a local club can still pull in a hundred bucks a night or more in tips. If you're hard up and need money, it's an easy way to make some quick cash.

But I agree with you about shutting them down. How hard is it to say, "Let me see your drivers license". I know that people are poor, and some can come up with great stories as to why they don't have one, but common sense says that this is a subject that club owners should be firm on. If they're letting this slide, what else are they ignoring? Sex in the lapdance rooms? Prostitution?

[Iggo]

47. That's All-State's stand.

:rofl:

[leeroysphitz]

73. +1

lol

[WinkyDink]

54. So with no evidence you are accusing police of child sexual exploitation?

[seabeyond]

55. yes, that is exactly what he is doing. and a few others. nt

[leeroysphitz]

62. LOL, yes I do. The DPD quite leterally ran prostitution in Detroit until the feds

feds intrrvened. They are fully capable of yhis sort of thing.

[lumberjack_jeff]

63. Stings are a well established tactic.

They hire minors to request all sorts of illegal activity in an attempt to find an adult to cooperate.

[Schema Thing]

4. E'erybody cut e'erybody cut....

[Jim__]

6. What happened to the girl after she was caught the first time?

This is a problem that should not re-occur. What was done the first time? It seems clear that the girl needs some type of help. Apparently she didn't get it.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

9. This post and #3, put together, make me go "hmmm". -nt

[Iggo]

49. She went back to working for the PD.

And on to the next club they want to shut down. And the next, and the next....

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[Green_Lantern]

15. in the article people who know her said she can't even..

Engage in adult conversation yet she's engaged in this very adult activity so I doubt this was really her idea.

I'm surprised at some responses here implying this is a good thing.

[seabeyond]

17. are you surprised? i have been listening to these supposed grown men for a while now

it can get much worse. going beyond merely thinking it is a good thing, but their right to the girl that has hit puberty, even at 10

[uncommon]

21. their "right" to a girl/woman period. ugh.

:puke:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

24. Men claiming the right to fuck 10yos?????

Not at DU, I suppose.

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[mkultra]

40. in seas imagination, most men are degenerates.

[LostinVA]

42. In the deleted subthread, for one

[seabeyond]

43. actually i profess the exact opposite challenging the men that declare their gender to be just that.

you have it about opposite, but what the fuck. the same men that make such statements are the men that say all men..... to bring all the gender into the degenerate world. those are the ones i challenge. and they are the ones i challenged on this thread. didnt see your happy little ass challenging these men that called your gender into exactly what you are talking about. a degenerate gender.

so a "your welcome" for my part in standing up for your gender.

[mkultra]

50. using the smear "grown men" is just as demeaning as say "little girls"

when referring to adults. It forwards the stereotype that mean are juvenile and childish much as the later forwards the stereotype that women are selfish and whiny.

I realize the disparity that women have in a male dominated society, but attacking males is not the answer.

[seabeyond]

51. firstly, grown men can also mean beyond "men" age of 18 to eary twenties.... grown men, old men.

way to old and mature to be having this attitude with girls. not the 18 yr old man that is really a kid himself.

so i guess the way we see things are not the same. your intepretation is no where close to mine. you had to work really really hard to find something, anything, to be outraged about, didnt you.

and i am really clueless why you feel "grown men" is a smear... lol

and yes, i do attack those men that feel girls are free game when they hit puberty. i would hope that you, too, would feel the need to go into attack mode.

[mkultra]

56. dont drag pedophiles into this little subthread

I dont have to work hard to be outraged. every time i hear that kind of sewage come out of a persons mouth it offends me. Im sure there are plenty of men who think that saying shit like "pull up your big girl panties" or "little girl" can find a multitude of alternate excuses for its use much as you have. Doesn't make them or you right.

[seabeyond]

58. let me see, underage (pedophilia) is about what this thread is about, but cause you demand

i am not suppose to bring it up

my reason for using grown man is totally valid. i absolutely see a difference between the very young adult and a GROWN UP. it sounds like this is your issue.

[mkultra]

59. you have become what you hated.

[seabeyond]

61. well now, isn't that out of the blue and cryptic. would you like to clarify you accusation

or just playing a game?

[leeroysphitz]

74. +1

[seabeyond]

75. are you going to tell me what it is i hate, or are you all just cowards throwing out empty

accusations. in all your wisdom, not even recognizing you as a poster, tell me what i hate. since you are so very clever to accuse me of something, yet such a coward you dont have the balls to just say it.

[Green_Lantern]

78. I didn't think your use of "grown men" was offensive...

30 year old men who go after 15 year olds are immature idiots.

[seabeyond]

84. thank you. for a poster to throw out a cryptic insult without guts to clarify or address

is simply cowardly to me.

but thank you for understanding the difference. i see a real difference in age, for both gender. one is experiencing, learning, and one should have learned.

and the poster below is exactly the validation of lusting over kids.... but they look???? well, the same was said about the 12 yr old stripper and clearly she looked like a kid.

there is a whole conditioning going on with our youth, adults playing in the sexual world of our kids and vice versa. let the kids walk this themselves, without the adults playing in it. it is theirs to do.

[Green_Lantern]

86. they all say "she looked 18" even when they get off on the young look

Unfortunately you are right...This thread has shown that even on DU people will excuse this away. Very sad.

[elehhhhna]

68. + 100

[SunnySong]

Actually the thread has nothing to do with pedophilia since the girl in question

is clearly not prepubescent if she is stripping... ther term youi are looking for is Ephebophilia which may or may not be illegal depending on the state.

[Green_Lantern]

80. that's a pretty weird analysis since girls can reach puberty as early as

9 years old. Regardless of how you spin it these jerks are drooling over a kid.

[SunnySong]

81. When a girl is well devolped enough to pass as an adult and a stripper no less

you simply are not talking about the same phenomenon. Think more along the lines of Kevin Spacey in American Beauty.

[Green_Lantern]

85. who says she's "well developed" to pass for an adult?

Maybe she looks very young and the patrons of these clubs don't get off on this.

It's safer to assume guys who lust over 15 year olds and go to clubs with nude teen girls are just as deviant as pedophiles.

[SunnySong]

71. Actually the thread has nothing to do with pedophilia since the girl in question

is clearly not prepubescent if she is stripping... the term you are looking for is Ephebophilia which may or may not be illegal depending on the state.

[mkultra]

41. .

[Greyhound]

16. "Some" of these clubs?

:rofl:

And now for the Spearmint Rhino and the Gold Club contingent, in...
5...
4...
3...

[davsand]

23. At first I wondered about the parents of this kid.

I looked at the article and it makes it pretty clear that the kid is not controlled by parents or any other external force.

In a case like that I have to wonder what DO you do with that kid? Lock HER up for taking her clothing off? Do you lock down the club that hired her--knowing that maybe she lied about her age when she applied to to work there?

I'm not sure this one is as easy to solve as it seems on the first glance. I'd be inclined to bust the club for hiring the kid--but if they can prove she lied about her age--and they had, in fact, checked on it and been fooled, it'd be hard to prosecute them too vigorously.

It's a bad scene all the way round. I guess the safest thing to do would be to send the kid to a convent with REALLY high walls until she's of age....


:shrug:



Laura

[WinkyDink]

57. Yes, you take away the club's license. Yes, you put the girl in foster care ("convent"? har-de-har-

har).

Parents? AS IF her father has been on the scene!

[ismnotwasm]

27. Not that unusual

And very sad. My guess is that a club that doesn't check it's workers thoroughly enough to find out their age, also turns a blind eye to prostitution, drugs, violence and all the rest of the harmful experiences a young woman can go through at these places.

I hope her co-workers help her out at least, because management isn't going to, the juvie system is fucked, and she wouldn't be there in the first place if economics and probably other factors didn't drive her there.

[n2doc]

31. So...when do they bust the clientele for viewing child porn?

Seems like, even if they didn't know the laws are pretty strict. That would end this in a second.

[TreasonousBastard]

32. Just to get a few facts straight for those who mouth off without clicking the link...

The girl's mother is the one who found her at the club this time, and said mother is distraught over the whole mess. This leads one to think the girl is not a plant. (Good thing, because using her as a plant in such a way would be as bad as the club hiring her to dance. Worse, 'cause the good guys should know better.)

This club had a few shootings in the past year, and is on the local PD hit list as a real problem.

The girl was averaging about $350 a night. She is now spending her time a youth home.


You may now line up with your opinions judgments, and pronouncements on the veracity and morality of everything and everyone involved in this story.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

38. I remember this story

The first time.

My question is why does the mother keep "finding" her daughter working at random strip clubs? As a parent, shouldn't she know where her kid is? The strip club should be at fault for not thoroughly checking her idea, but the mom should also have some blame.

[NoGOPZone]

52. $350 a night, but she was giving most of it to the club

and even some of the employees.

[NightWatcher]

34. This thread is useless without pics

...of the club so we'll know to stay away.

You didn't think I...

You're sick.

:hide:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

35. ROFL! Well played, sir.

:rofl:

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[Green_Lantern]

36. I found some hot pics..

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Stripping should be legal- for consenting adults.

If you're talking about non-consent, or non-adults, different story.

[WinkyDink]

60. Umm....where in America is it not? "Fifteen" is not legally "adult".

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Read my post again.

Maybe you didn't understand it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. .........

[Dr. Strange]

70. Snoopy needs to put some clothes on.

[Odin2005]

67. Where are her parents?

[knitter4democracy]

76. I'm betting the situation at home is pretty complicated.

First of all, it's Detroit. Unemployment there is 40% or higher in some neighborhoods. If she can make good money doing that and help her family, I can understand why she'd resort to that. With the teens I teach every day (during the school year), we've had similar situations happen, and they usually revolve around money.

Her mom found her, so good for Mom, but the whole situation says there needs to be intervention of some sort.

[xchrom]

87. the mother found her working there?

i gotta wonder why child protective services weren't working with this family after the first time?

there is some deep stuff going on there.