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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 08:28 AM
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Eli Broad: "with election of Obama and his appointment of Duncan, the stars are aligned"
Susan Ohanian at her blog quotes from the 2009/2010 report from the Broad Foundation. It appears this group of school "reformers" is feeling the love right now in their quest to control public education.

Broad Foundation Says with Election of Obama and His Appointment of Duncan, the Stars are Aligned

The election of President Barack Obama and his appointment of Arne Duncan, former CEO of Chicago Public Schools, as the U.S. secretary of education, marked the pinnacle of hope for our work in education reform. In many ways, we feel the stars have finally aligned.

With an agenda that echoes our decade of investmentscharter schools, performance pay for teachers, accountability, expanded learning time and national standardsthe Obama administration is poised to cultivate and bring to fruition the seeds we and other reformers have planted. (emphasis added)


Eli Broad and his foundation place their Broad Superintendent Academy trained leaders into the public school system. Just a couple of examples come to mind. Randi Weingarten, the head of the teachers' union, AFT...taught there. She would relate to the reformers' agenda. Robert Bobb in Detroit is quickly transforming the schools there into reform mode.

How Eli Broad gets his guys into public school systems to exert control.

If the Broad Foundation plants one of its elements in a school district, it is highly likely they will plant another one along with it, so their influence is maximized.

For instance, an element might be:
- The presence of a Broad-trained superintendent
- The placement of Broad Residents into important central office positions
- An "invitation" to participate in a program spawned by the Foundation (such as CRSS's Reform Governance in Action program)
- Offering to provide the district with a free "Performance Management Diagnostic and Planning" experience

The Broad Foundation likes to infiltrate its targets on multiple levels so it can manipulate a wider field and cause the greatest amount of disruption. Venture edu-philanthropists like Gates and Broad proudly call this invasive and destabilizing strategy "investing in a disruptive force." To these billionaires and their henchmen, causing massive disruption in communities across the nation is not a big deal.


The blogger Perimeter Primate has set up some sites to call attention to how education is being taken over by these foundations. She is an involved parent, and where she got her name for the blog is interesting.

Perimeter Primates

Some of the primates position themselves at the perimeter of the group - where they sit, and watch.

Their role is to warn the inner, oblivious members of the group when danger approaches.


Trouble is that this time in education the "inner" members of the group are not "oblivious". Their intent is being fulfilled.

Here is a link to her Broad Report.

There is an education blogger who points out how the decade of the nineties was a fairly good one for education, more enlightened. Then she presents "The Naughts."

Teacher in a Strange Land

Note her words. Many of us here have tried to point it out as well. The buzzword of the 2000 era is "data". Not learning..."data".

The Naughts: A slow U-turn in policy and conventional wisdom. We're not gradually improving, after all--in fact, we're an international educational joke--and all public schools (not just poor/urban schools) are bad. Decidedly awful--and the people who work and believe in them are intellectual dimbulbs who care only about their inflated salaries. How would they handle this in Singapore? China? India? We must compete!

Buzzword of the decade: data. Every person with a computer sees data analysis as the solution. In the lunchroom, colleagues express skepticism about the Texas Miracle even before it's exposed as just another Data Hustle. Some of the best teachers in the building discover they are not Highly Qualified. Meanwhile, the worst teachers in the building--genuine stinkers--look good under NCLB regs. We begin administering tests to third graders--and relinquish development of performance assessments that tell us real things about kids' writing, number sense, comprehension, familiarity with the scientific method. No time for that now--the data-driven race to the top has begun even before it's formally named.

Saw well-regarded suburban districts become defensive. Urban and rural districts, shamed. Teacher preparation institutions--even the good ones-- scorned. Paradox of the decade: We must have the smartest teachers! But should they bother studying the science of teaching? Or stay in the classroom for more than a couple of years? No. With data, we can replace teachers as often and as efficiently as we replace technologies.


Seems like Eli Broad is feeling the same love that is being felt by Bill Gates and other foundations that seek to pour their billions into the effort to control the education system.

Too bad teachers in public schools who struggle to teach the whole child instead of worrying about "data" are not feeling much love right now.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 10:16 AM
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1. More about close ties and aligning stars.

U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan and the philanthropist Eli Broad at an inauguration party thrown by Broad. (Via Flickr)

Eli Broad describes close ties Klein, Weingarten, Duncan

The education philanthropist Eli Broad is based in Los Angeles, but at an event this week in Manhattan he painted a vivid picture of the unique influence hes exerted in the New York City schools.

Broad said that his foundation has given money to the two charter schools the union president here, Randi Weingarten, opened; has trained seven or eight of the top officials in Chancellor Joel Kleins Department of Education; and was a player in Klein and Weingartens merit-based pay deal.

The remarks came at an event at the 92nd Street Y Monday, where the writer Matthew Bishop of the Economist interviewed Broad on a small stage. Broad said the close relationship began as soon as Klein took the job. From the first day Joel took office, literally, we met with him, he said. He is close with other education leaders, too.

In Washington, D.C., the Broad Foundation has met repeatedly with superintendent Michelle Rhee and is believed to be one of the groups that would fund Rhees plan to give teachers more money in exchange for giving up tenure rights. Broad said on Monday that several of his staff members are taking jobs in Arne Duncans U.S. Department of Education.


Add the Gates foundation staff members at Arne's DOE to the Broad foundation's staff there....and the stars do seem to be aligning indeed.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 10:30 AM
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2. I don't really know what to say about it.
Really. How many times can I express frustration and anger? Who is listening?

You're right. I'm not feeling the love. I don't see how the "stars are aligned" to benefit my students in the coming years.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 11:29 AM
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3. There's not much to say, you are right.
It's like the deed is done.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 12:19 PM
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4. k & r
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 01:55 PM
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5. I wish someone would post something here at DU about what evil Obama is NOT responsible for
if that's even possible for this place nowadays. There's more badmouthing of Obama going on these days that there ever was of Bush.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 04:13 PM
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6. Wahh, Wahh.
What's Good About thia Fucked Up "Education" Policy? Not a fucking thing, that's what.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 04:14 PM
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7. Any comments on the article? No, just poor Obama being "badmouthed".
The man must be made out of cake with the way you have to protect him.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 04:29 PM
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8. New to DU?
When you say really, really stupid things like suggesting the DU didn't complain about bush, anything you say becomes pointless.

I will also ask if you have any opinions on the subject. Do you favor more testing for schools? Do you favor union busting? Why can't you say what you believe or can your whole belief system and your moral center be summarized with the phrase "just whatever Barack says".

If you don't like to hear about the awful things that are happening to children because of arne and his close ties to corporate interests, then I suggest you stick to the threads on GDP that just post pictures of the president and his family (they are very attractive) or just release blue bordered white house press room info. Happy, happy, happy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:05 PM
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11. It's a good thing...
I can't see that one. I might say something I shouldn't say. Thanks for the reply to whomever.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 11:11 PM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #5
27. Oxygen is still free!
Thanks Obama! :hug:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. The sun came up this morning!!!
I'm so grateful!

:applause:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #5
32. Yeah, we never said anything bad about Bush here.
Everybody acted like he shat pink ice cream or something.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 02:44 AM
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79. I agree with you. And a large percentage of the whining is from teachers.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 05:00 PM
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81. Whining?
Edited on Fri Jul-16-10 05:05 PM by Catshrink
Is that what you say to people who disagree with you? Teachers know something about education and learning therefore we understand the harm this administration is causing. Sharing our expertise on the issue is hardly whining, it's a public service, it's educating. That's what we do.

Denigrating our passion and dedication to our profession and to the children we serve does what? It shows that you don't care about the future of the country and certainly don't care about children. We are on the front lines, we say the pogrom being foisted on education by this administration is harmful and will result in segregation and poorly educated students, and people who care about our nation's future really should be paying attention.

You have made it abundantly clear in your posts that you really have a grudge against teachers. What happened? Did your third grade teacher piss in your corn flakes?
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 10:32 PM
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82. I AM a teacher. M.Ed . And I know full well that many teachers shouldn't be in the classroom.
So. Don't lecture to me about what teachers 'do'.

I 'have a grudge' against teachers who ride their tenure to retirement, harming generations of children along the way.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 04:31 PM
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9. I'll keep reccing your threads while arne is wrecking schools.
Edited on Tue Jul-13-10 04:31 PM by Jakes Progress
Way too many hypocritical Democrats are falling in line with the administration's actions here when they know full well that if bush had done them, they would be screaming.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 04:32 PM
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10. Union busting courtesy of a Dem. administraion. Lovely.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. How do you reconcile AFT support with the accusation of "union busting?"
I'm asking, seriously.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:41 PM
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25. Randi was a Broad scholar and teacher. She has her agenda.
Look it up...I wrote about that as well.

She has taken the AFT down a road of compromise to fulfill Broad's plan
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 06:47 PM
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35. So the AFT are sellouts? n/t
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erodriguez Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 10:01 PM
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42. Not the entire AFT
It is the Unity Caucus and Progressive caucuses that control it.

http://ednotesonline.blogspot.com/2010/07/unity-caucus-...


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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 12:33 PM
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51. she's a plant. when i started reading up about her history, i was astonished.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:50 PM
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28. Rather than whining on the internet, the AFT is actually organizing charter school teachers
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. And I think you've banged the nail on the head, sir...n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:38 PM
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55. There's Randi and her agenda and then there's the rank and file members
The two groups don't always agree.

And in fairness to Randi she is no fan of Arne Duncan. I believe she's closer to Bill Gates. :)
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. Eh fights Republicans and doesn't afraid of anything.
So WTF is your problem?
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:06 PM
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12. Okay ...
I'm not a teacher, nor am I widely informed as to how President Obama's educational policies are wrecking the educational system. So could someone please tell me, how is he wrecking a system that by all/most accounts was already in utter shambles?

I know that it is not the democratic position to question unions, but what are unions doing for the primary stakeholders in education, the kids? I know that unions do great things for the teachers, both the good ones and the poor ones ; but how does that help the students?

I know that the policy is focuesed on root out the failing schools and support and replicate the successful ones. Is this not what is happening?

I know that teachers have problems with charter schools, with all their new fangled educational models and compensation schemes and demands for investment by the teachers, ... I do too, but only because I do not see it as a model that can service the vast majority of students - charter schools by their very nature cream the best, brightest and most engaged students , leaving the rest to the tradition public school system ... and that can't be good.

But how are President Obama's educational policies wrecking the educational system in terms of what is being provided to the students? And, correct me if I am wrong; but that IS what the educational system is supposed to be about ... No?
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:12 PM
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13. You are brave. Welcome to DU!!!
I'm hoping you get an honest answer, as opposed to links to someone's journal, or admonishment that you should know who the OP is....

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:16 PM
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17. That was not a very nice comment. It was an insult to me.
But I am used to it, and I must learn to take while all the Dems are supporting privatization of education because that is what Obama wants.

He's a good man, but his policies on education are wrong.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:19 PM
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20. I note you still haven't replied to Kweli substantively.....
Edited on Tue Jul-13-10 05:20 PM by msanthrope
list of journal posts??? Check....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. That is the only thing you can up with? See? I told you so.
When I post stuff that is convincing, no one has a good comeback..so they come back at me in an insulting manner.

I am so used to it, it rolls off me.

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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 06:40 PM
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34. What would you do to a student who responded to your queries with journal posts?
Seriously.

I ask this in all seriousness.

What would you do to a student who responded to a valid request of yours by citing journal posts on Facebook?

How would you mark a student who failed to postulate a proper hypothesis, failed to provide supporting argument, and then, failed to provide a conclusion/summary of argument? What would you do when faced with a mere list of journal entries?

I ask you this, in all seriousness. Do you think you advance the cause of teachers when you fail to do make the argument?

"I don't mean to be impertinent, but it is an argument worth rehearsing."

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. lol
nevermind. I present my case most every day. Bye.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. I get why some teachers would respond to that post with
Edited on Tue Jul-13-10 07:06 PM by msanthrope
(Emily Latella) "Nevermind." (Emily Latella/)

Thank you.

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Dirigo Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #17
80. Amen, Play It Again Sam
Charter Schools and Vouchers are nothing more than segregation! They destroy the towns, cities, counties, and state. The federal government has a major role to play in the education of the masses and robbing Peter to Pay Paul to the detriment of public education is reckless. I think the world of Obama but he is dead wrong on his quest for beefing up charters and vouchers, it is a fools errand. The MadFloridian needs to be heard, needs to be shouting from the rooftops to the high heavens to STOP THE MADNESS!
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #13
70. madforidian has given you more than ample evidence, what
have you offered to counter any of it? Nothing that I have seen in this thread. Arnie Duncan is the Flim Flam Man, if you look
back at his alleged stellar record, you'll find more information that does not help Duncan's reputation nor does it foster any
confidence. This is just one sample:

Education Secretary Arne Duncan's legacy as Chicago schools chief questioned
By Nick Anderson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 29, 2009

CHICAGO -- Soon after Arne Duncan left his job as schools chief here to become one of the most powerful U.S. education secretaries ever, his former students sat for federal achievement tests. This month, the mathematics report card was delivered: Chicago trailed several cities in performance and progress made over six years.

Miami, Houston and New York had higher scores than Chicago on the National Assessment of Educational Progress. Boston, San Diego and Atlanta had bigger gains. Even fourth-graders in the much-maligned D.C. schools improved nearly twice as much since 2003.

The federal readout is just one measure of Duncan's record as chief executive of the nation's third-largest system. Others show advances on various fronts. But the new math scores signal that Chicago is nowhere near the head of the pack in urban school improvement, even though Duncan often cites the successes of his tenure as he crusades to fix public education.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. Ooohh.. may I please direct you.
To the education forum first.

Then to these links for research:

Imagine Charter in St. Pete a million in debt. Taxpayers will foot the bill.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Taking the "public" out of public schools.....happening quickly.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Faces of school reform. Too many billionaires.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

"a great and terrible charade"..school leaders and entrepreneurs triumphant at school closings?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Discipline methods from a charter school that would get public school teachers in serious trouble.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

"Democracy Privatized!"...education blog talks about turning over public functions to the market.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Eli Broad: We dont know anything about how to teach or reading curriculum or any of that."
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Seems my taxpayer money will be sending many more to private schools....
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Two Florida charter schools in financial crisis. Taxpayer money is paying their debt.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Baton Rouge judges rules it is ok to give taxpayer money to charter schools.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Former GOP insider says "Billionaire Boys' Club" dismantling education.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Boston schools officials: We are not "firing" all teachers, just making them reapply.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

1994: Project Censorship The Sandia Report On Education. Showed schools improving. Not published.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

WP: It was a "sad, desperate" decision to fire all of R. I. school's teachers.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Parents at PS 15, an "A" school, ask state to intervene in PAVE charter invasion.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Two things: A clear concise indictment of charters, and a Chicago fight to stop school closings.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Harlem charter school head emails show very special access to NY school chancellor
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Living and dying by test scores: a charter faces probation for weeding out problem students.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Charter school exec led hearing to let his school invade a Bronx trade school.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Politically connected NY charter schools to receive 72 million in city money.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Established Bronx trade school may be replaced by untested academic charter school.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

A Bad Year for Teachers, a Bad Year for Public Education
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Protesting school closings in Chicago. They are closing schools without following procedure.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

KIPP charter school invades NY public school with "A" grade....read the views of both sides.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

Florida wants 1 billion of Arne's 4. 3 billion to hire corporate consultants. Unbelievable.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/...

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Woah, remind me not to pull on your chain.
Loaded up, you be.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Oh, but nothing is ever enough here. Obama's plan for education
will be defended here even if every public school is closed.

He has shut out teachers and educators and only listens to folks like Gates and Broad and Arne.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 06:30 PM
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31. I just can't believe he's pushing this privatization.
Buyer's remorse here, I guess. But our only other choice was McSame & Caribou Barbie. I just don't know what else to do except vote for yet another Obama right leaning centrist when the time comes again. I wish we could have some other real choice but I don't think that's going to happen.

Color me disillusioned.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. And after you read my research and the educ. forum...
be sure to come back and tell me I presented no facts and that I don't know what I am talking about.

That is the usual thing to do here.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #12
29. Education is in a shambles due to underfunding since the days of Ronnie. Once they starved it of...
funding until they could point to its failure, they could move ahead with their plans to move public funds into private hands. If you like what for profit, private corps have done with our health care system, you're gonna love Arne's 'education' model.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #12
39. You have received some good answers
Edited on Tue Jul-13-10 08:16 PM by Jakes Progress
to what I hope was an honest question. We will know by whether you actually read the threads mentioned.

The main problem with your post is that it is full of neocon propaganda. We don't know if you are advancing their agenda or if you have just fallen for the lies. It would be easy to believe the latter since the media (wholly owned by the power elite and the neocons) repeat them all the time. If you really are interested you can become better informed and stop tossing such obvious give away lines like "already in utter shambles".

A nice read is the book "The Manufactured Crisis" by Dave Berliner and Bruce Biddle. It came out in 1995, but it still addresses the lies that began being put out under reagan with his ed. sec. bill bennet. They are lies. The problem is that the Obama/arne plans are just the fulfillment of the things that bennet started and that people like newt gingrich love. If you are making newt gingrich happy, you know you are doing the wrong thing.

I have several posts that support the unions and the public school system. But my main concern is not jobs or buildings. It is that the test-centered curriculum that the neocons (and arne duncan) are driving is ruining our children. The testing is necessary for them to "prove" their lies. The tests are bunk. And worse than the crappy tests is the bending and contorting of learning that schools go through to try and do well on tests that are devised to show failure regardless of learning. I happen to be an expert (by most accounts) of educational assessment. I worked at the state and national level on some of the best efforts to devise good educational assessments. We did some good ones. They were ignored for cheaply graded tests that can be manipulated easily to give the preordained results. I know the people who did this. I know why they did it. Money and ideology trumped morality and education.

On my better days, I believe that Obama is a dupe of these evil people, that he lacks the perception and knowledge to know what he is signing off on. On my darker days, I suspect he is (or desires more than anything else to be) a part of the dark elite who are screwing the people of the country. There is no middle ground. Ignorant or complicit. That's all there is.
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #39
46. Thank you for your substantive response ......
I assure you my inquiry is sincere. I will read through the links over the weekend, but having read some of the editorial comments attached to the links, I suspect that the "research" is more cherry-picking of nightmarish events, than actual analysis of President Obama's educational policy. But hey, isn't that what advocacy is all about?

I agree completely that the current model of "standardized" testing, testing and more testing and tying the results to school funding or teachers' pay is crap. It does not promote student learning and worse, in my view, does not promoting students learning how to think. It merely encourages "teaching to the test." I think this model is a return to Max Weber's technical rationality, where data drives policy. This is just a swinging of the pendulium.

I also agree that wholesale privitization of public education is not the answer; but I have not seen that as President Obama's plan. Yes, there is a charter school component; but as I understand it, it is very limited in scope.

But my assertion that the schools are/were in ashambles, is not me mimicking a neo-con talking point. The fact is public schools are failing urban youth and have been failing since BEFORE Bush and NCLB. Back in the 70's, I had to leave my inner-city school to attain any semblance of an education, despite the efforts of one or two engaged and invested teacher - in fact, I left at their urging.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. The concerted effort to divert resources from public schools
to vouchers for private schools and for charters has caused the problems. You can't keep taking resources from a system and keep demanding more. It does not work that way.

You can also read Diane Ravitch's book called The Death and Life of the Great American School System: How Testing and Choice Are Undermining Education.

http://www.dianeravitch.com /

She was former asst Sec. of Ed under Bush, and she can see what is happening and speaks out for public schools.

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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #47
64. The diversion of resources is ...
definitely a problem ... no argument here. But aren't the funds being diverted primarily in those areas where the schools are failing?

You cannot argue that defunding is THE problem unless you want to also argue that the schools were not failing prior to the defunding. And I really do not think you want to make that argument.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #64
75. SO..you say when a school has problems just defund it.
See, it is really is that simple to you.

The areas where schools are not up to par are usually high poverty areas. Why not work together to help give the school needed resources instead of taking away what little they have.

Many believe that they have pushed the privatization movement by appealing to minorities and making them feel as if the public schools are not serving their needs. That is why Arne said it is a civil rights issue. That is why so many of the charter schools are actually resegrated.

No, it really is not civil rights or about race. It is about money, profit.

Take the money from the schools, taxpayer money, give it to charter school management companies like KIPP or Imagine. That is how they are doing it.
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #46
50. Oh, and I read one of the MadFloridian's links before ...
The one about all the teacher in Rhode Island being fired and having to re-apply for the teaching positions.

Please don't flame me, but I can tell you that this is a direct result of union work rules. Again, I know that it is not politic in this forum to question unions , but we must call it as it is. Union work rules make it difficult to terminate those unengaged and ineffective teachers.

As a Human Resources professional, my sense is that the school administration wanted to target specific teachers; some effective and engaged, but non-tenured, junior teachers for retention and some ineffective and disengaged, but tenured, senior teachers for termination, but the union rules would not allow for it. The solution is to terminate everyone and bring back those you want. I'm certain that some of those that were not brought back were some of the most vocal against change, but if is change that the administration wants, it is their call and the employees responsibility to either work within the adminstration's system , or seek employment elsewhere. I mean seriously, in what world do people live where we get to resist/disrupt our boss' agenda and keep our jobs?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. union agreements make it difficult to *arbitrarily* terminate teachers.
that's a good thing; that's a protection all workers should have.
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #52
65. I agree, in principle; but in practice ...
the arbitrary part has very little effect. When it comes to lay-offs or re-assignments, effectiveness of various teachers is NOT a consider ... Union rules mandate a strict seniority system.

Let's be honest, we all know co-workers that do just enough not to be fired, while seeking to cut every corner they can. We also have known co-workers that went above and beyond, only to be let go or re-assigned because they were low women on the seniority manning chart.

Where is the sense or fairness in that? Yes, the more senior worker has "paid their dues", but it hardily is in the best interest of the kids.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #50
56. The RI teachers were fired because of Arne's new policies and bribes
for districts that do things his way.

Look it up...the criteria for getting his money on RTTT funds.

Look it up.

You are also not being honest. If any district wants to fire a teacher, and there is just cause...the unions will not stand in the way.

Don't use your talking points on me.
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #56
66. I realize that you are personally invested in this issue ...
But because we do not agree on some points, does not make my points "talking points"; rather they are merely the other half of YOUR "talking point."

But that said, if you were to be honest ... I'm sure you recognize that the teachers that may have been targetted for dismissal were the more senior teachers who did just enough not to get fired; whereas, there no doubt was a whole class of less senior teachers, who went above and beyond, that the district wanted to retain, but for the work rules.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. The firings in RI did not differentiate
The stated issue was scores on a math test yet the art teacher was canned. What's art got to do with math?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #66
72. Baloney. The goals are private control and cheaper teachers.
Teachers CAN be fired even under tenure. That IS propaganda to say that they can't be fired.

The RI teachers were fired with Obama's agreement under Arne's plan for his bribe money.

And yes, I am personally invested in saving public education from a Democratic president. Why aren't you? Why don't more people care?

"Turnarounds...Arne's model:

"School districts will apply to the state for the funds this spring. When school districts apply, they must indicate that they will implement one of the following four models in their persistently lowest achieving schools:

* TURNAROUND MODEL: Replace the principal, screen existing school staff, and rehire no more than half the teachers; adopt a new governance structure; and improve the school through curriculum reform, professional development, extending learning time, and other strategies.

* RESTART MODEL: Convert a school or close it and re-open it as a charter school or under an education management organization.

SCHOOL CLOSURE: Close the school and send the students to higher-achieving schools in the district.

* TRANSFORMATION MODEL: Replace the principal and improve the school through comprehensive curriculum reform, professional development, extending learning time, and other strategies."

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #66
73. you're misinformed. there was no such backstory.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #50
62. I don't know what kind of HR dept you work for
but in schools firing a bad teacher is easy. All you have to do is have evidence of their bad teaching. Just like some businesses managers some principals will avoid actually accumulating evidence because they don't really know how or exactly what constitutes bad teaching. I live in a non-union state where everyone says it is hard to fire bad teachers also. I once worked for a very ritzy district in a high school that had four teachers that everyone knew were bad and had been for years. The third year I was there the school hired the best principal I ever worked with. By December, he had the four on a growth plan. He detailed what he saw and what he required them to do in order to keep their jobs. One actually took the plan to heart and worked on becoming a better teacher. The other three were gone in May. On another occasion a long time teacher was caught in a very inappropriate situation with two female students. The principle packed up his stuff from his room that night and the teacher was not allowed back in the building. Then the principal went after his license. All this with the whole-hearted support of all of the teachers in the building.

Unions are a scape goat for poor administration and for politicians who like the idea of firing for reasons other than performance. I spent over thirty years teaching and never supported a bad teacher against firing. I did support several who were targeted by petty administrators. I also participated in monitoring and documenting two teachers that were terminated for bad teaching.

Part of your perception problem comes up in your last sentence. Just who do you thing the boss in a school is? And why would they have an agenda that differed from providing a good education? Schools are not businesses. They cannot work on a business model. You can run the purchasing department on a business model. You can run the buildings on a system close to a business model. But children aren't widgets and profit isn't the goal. Thinking of schools as just factories and education as s product is exactly why the schools that have problems have them.
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #62
67. I do not work in a school district, but I do work in government ...
You are quite correct, most difficulty in removing a bad employee is due to poor management. But I am not talking about the "bad" employee, I am speaking about the disengaged employee that does just enough work to not get fired. For example, the teacher that is out the door at quitting time, everyday, despite students seeking extra help.

And when I refer to unions, I am not speaking of unions per se; but rather, work rules.

Finally, I think the boss in the school is ultimately the public; but with that said, the school's principal is the person that is charged with carrying out the direction of the school. While I agree that kids aren't widgets and teachers should have a certain amount of freedom in the classroom, reality suggests that once the principal (BOSS) sets the out their vision and direction, it is the teacher's (EMPLOYEE) job to fit their teaching technique within those broad guidelines.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. You really need to spend some time in schools.
First. Just like business, it is better to motivate the disengaged employee rather than just toss them. The neocon plans for education being resurrected by the white house do just the opposite. It will disengage more teachers. It will appeal to exactly the wrong kind of teachers, the ones you mention. This is because the system of tests and narrowed curriculum and packaged lessons are just what a bad teacher wants.

Second. You still miss what is involved in schools. Principals don't become principals because they are the best teachers. The public relations and building management and organizing skills needed to be a good building director are not the same skills needed to teach. There are very good teaching principals, and they have no trouble motivating and moving their "vision" because they know how to do it themselves. Then there is that vision thing. You said you work in government. A police department may have a chief, but he cannot have a "vision" that is different than the purpose of the police department. We see what happens when that occurs. That is when you have departments and their chief at odds. What suffers are the citizens. Still that is not the same as a school. A principal is a manager of professionals. Without a principal who knows how to keep the building working, teachers can't teach. Most good principals that I have worked with see their job as making it possible for teachers to do good work, not to direct them in how to do it.

I'm usually the first one to pop off at what seems like posts that just parrot the media fed propaganda. But it seemed like you really had an interest. I would suggest spending some time in schools. I taught for four years and then quit to try professional photography. I was very successful. I also worked in sound recording and advertising. But I came back to teaching because everything else seemed boring. A school, a classroom is a dynamic and complex place. So much is going on at so many levels all the time. I taught for many years and then worked in teacher training and development and research. i traveled the country, working in many cities and with national programs. But I never found anything as exciting as a classroom with 20-30 teen-agers. You should visit.

I was a very good teacher, and I can assure you that if I had come up against the kind of minimalist vision that the current administration is pushing, I would have left much earlier. So will all the good teachers. You will be left with the drones you want to fire.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #67
76. My last two principals were sorry as hell.
I had to bow and scrape and kowtow to their idiocy. I made it until retirement plus a few years.

But I taught the kids the best ways I knew in spite of the principals. Both were moved from teaching positions to county jobs, then moved from the county level to be principals.

We called it being promoted downward to save their asses.

I am sick of the propaganda that experienced teachers are lazy. I am sick that a Democratic president is allowing a whole group of teachers to be marginalized.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #12
48. I AM a teacher.
And I am widely informed.

Unions don't fund education, legislate policy, or decide the direction that public ed will take.

They DO provide protection for teachers from politically motivated threats. Which is why so many politicians and talking heads don't like them. They stand guard over a favorite scapegoat.

The public education system is SUPPOSED to be about providing equal access to a high quality education to every student. Policies and regulations are supposed to be designed with that in mind.

Unions do not stand between students and access to education. Politics, and politicians, do.

Obama's policies are not about providing universal access to high quality education. They are about privatization, which increases the access gap, and union-busting, which allows degradation of the quality of teachers and teaching. Which is why the system is in shambles to begin with; he's continuing AND ACCELERATING a decades-long agenda begun under Ronald Reagan and taken federal by George W. Bush.

Here are some policies which would actually move education in the direction of providing universal access to high-quality education; don't expect Obama to ever support them:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:13 PM
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14. A plan for the alignment of the stars was in place...(angry rant warning)
Edited on Tue Jul-13-10 05:39 PM by ooglymoogly
long before the election....we were just NOT shown that plan; Instead we were shown a glittering alignment of stars that were not stars, but cheap, blinding rhinestones, in O's game of 3 card Monty. The real alignment is becoming clearer each day to more and more folks who now feel like very angry fools. If we had seen the real plan for an alignment, before the election, Hillery would have been the president and might have become a good Prez; I have come to the conclusion that O is not nor will he ever be; Based primarily on his shredding of the constitution, the reinstating of the unconstitutional Patriot Act and upholding previous shredding; And, progressively, there are now even bigger chains he has wrought with more on the anvil (the immediate and dangerous threat to SS; That would be our money. If we allow these thugs to tear up the constitution bit by bit...privatizing all of our primary assets, and vital organs, this democracy once based on honest law, that has seen us to greatness, to become the light of the world, will cease to exist; It will have been snuffed out by the elimination of the most precious constitution man ever devised. As we become a lawless country with a crooked justice system weighted heavily to the rich, with no credibility as a fair and impartial arm of the judiciary, we become a lawless nation. For those who are watching what is going on under our eyes and under our watch, is a disaster. What is left of our constitution is all that holds this fragile democracy together and still affords some protections and freedoms fast disappearing. When it is gone, we may as well cash it in or live in slavery for the rest of our lives. We have passed a critical fork in the road and have been force to take the wrong road. If we do not pick up the mantle our forefathers wrought for us and drastically change directions in favor of fairness, this country is becoming and will continue to become a horror show; Just look at some of the more authoritarian states and cities that no longer live by the rules laid down by our forefathers and pity those already neath that wheel of one sided and crippling justice, and look at our shocking prisons; Full to capacity with victimless "criminals" whose lives and the lives of those surrounding them have been ruined to make sure drug companies can get their 400 dollar prescription bribes, collected every month from all the sick and dying. We are on the wrong road and if we do not change it soon, there will be no way out and we are doomed to repeat history's more horrific authoritarian dead ends in evolution; Only to live in infamy in history along with the past failed authoritarian "civilizations"; An infamy always searching for a bunch of new suckers, a new host to malignantly infest and metastasize to certain destruction, carrying a cross and wearing a flag....rant...over
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
41. Paragraphs my friend, paragraphs.
please?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #41
57. If you are the punctuation and paragraph police I suggest
you put me on ignore to protect delicate sensibilities.

The real question is; Did you get the gist of the post, or did the lack of paragraphical separations render it unreadable? If that is the case, I apologize and will try harder to rectify that shortcoming even when I am mad as hell and have no time for, or emotional balance for that matter, paragraphical niceties. However, if it is unreadable, any argument I might pose, becomes mute.

I suspect your complaint lies more it its content.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #14
49. "You have been hit by a Wall of Text for 200 points of damage.
No saving throw is possible. You have died."
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #49
58. Of these points....From what figment do they come?
I except cash only.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. That's accept
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Michigan-Arizona Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:24 PM
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22. K & R
Thanks Madfloridian for all the work you do in trying to inform others on the situation. I for one very much appreciate it!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 05:42 PM
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26. The replies here show me that Arne's policies will get done..
with almost no opposition.

That's pretty sad.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 06:00 PM
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30. Yeah. Strangle the funding for education for 3 decades & the stars align for the vultures to move in
:nuke:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 11:09 AM
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45. Exactly right.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 03:28 PM
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61. +1 nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 12:00 PM
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74. +10
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 07:35 PM
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40. They have to bust the Teachers Unions....
You know.. Teachers are smarter than the average bear... they can actually think about facts! That WILL NEVER DO in RepubliCorp and DemoCorp World.

Bust the teachers, Privatize all that that money going to waste in the schools ,and by all means... give that money to Wall Street to keep the Casino going.

Above all.. we must kieep the Casino going to support the top 1/2%.


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 04:36 PM
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63. nodding
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:40 AM
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44. Eli Broad should stick to building houses and stop interfering in education.
What a fool he is, a rich fool. He claims to be a Democrat, but I live in LA and have watched him. He hangs out mostly with rich folks. Whether he and they call themselves Republicans or Democrats, they are only interested in wealth, the wealthy and feeling how wonderful they are because the help the poor. They are not interested in empowering the poor or the middle class in any meaningful way.

They give money away in order to avoid paying taxes. It is so stupid.
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:24 PM
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53. Public Takeover
Bill Gates and other foundations that seek to pour their billions into the effort to control the education system.


You forgot to mention the key words, "and profit from," along with that word, "control."

How's this for an alternative privatization scheme? Require cable monopolies like Time Warner, Verizon and Comcast to pay 5% of their local profits to subsidize public access radio and television stations in the schools and local community colleges of the municipalities where they control the commercial airwaves.

If television is so important, 5% of the local funds (at least) need to be dedicated to television school.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 01:34 PM
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54. I use twist-ties myself, great for bagging apples!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 02:48 PM
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59. I have no clue what that means.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 06:42 PM
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69. kickety n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:22 AM
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77. Late K&R . . . and impossible to deny that the same destructive themes are
running thru both parties -- !!!

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 12:53 AM
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78. kick
Edited on Fri Jul-16-10 12:53 AM by noamnety
oops, too late to recommend.
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