Is it all a shell game? (Now Obama's for war, Ann Coulter is a dove?)

[Syrinx]

I fell asleep last night in front of the tv. I woke up hearing Morning Joe arguing against the Afghanistan war, saying that the Obama administration was too warlike.

And Ann Coulter is saying much the same thing.

http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=376

At the same time (roughly) we have Obama saying we must fight this war till the end, and put those jihadis in their place.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-troops

I can't help but to think we are all living in an Orwell novel come to life, in which the only thing that matters is that we continue the manufactured aggression, the invented war and fear, because that is precisely what enriches our overlords.

It's crazy, isn't it?

Is it all just a silly game to distract us, while the robber barrons continue to rob and loot, while the Gulf Of Mexico continues to burn?

It just doesn't make any sense at all.

[mdmc]

1. They are anti-Obama, not anti-war

wait until the GOP is back in power, fear uber alles..

[Jennicut]

21. Exactly. They only are against it NOW because they are against Obama.

Kind of obvious if you ask me...

[unhappycamper]

2. The whole Iraq/Afghanistan thing is a shell game.

Anything to distract us from the truth.

[cali]

3. wow. some people here really do swallow repuke bullshit

whole.

[Syrinx]

4. who would that be?

I know you have a need to constantly insult people that are supposed to be your peers. I don't understand that at all. But I guess it's your right. Have fun. Guess what. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are. I see right through you. But keep stroking.

[drm604]

5. As far as I know Obama was never anti-war.

He was against the Iraq war, but supported Afghanistan, so there's been no change there. Coulter and her ilk are simply anti-Democrat. If, God forbid, McCain had won, she'd be supporting both wars.

[Syrinx]

6. now it suddenly Obama's war...

When people like that (searching for an acceptable epithet...) that less than honorable lady, loved it from the beginning, until the black guy (or Democrat, in general) became POTUS.

[Bandit]

16. It is indeed Obama's and the Democrat's war now.

They proudly took possession and escalated it. While Republicans are still basically behind the "war" All those Democrats that were so adamantly opposed when Bush* was in Office suddenly have nothing against it, and in fact vote consistantly to keep funding it.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

17. Yeah, she'd be supporting both wars

and pushing for more if John "100 or more years in Iraq" and "Bomb,bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" McCain and Queen Sarah were in office.
Ooooh.....the thought of it is enough to send a cold chill down my spine too.
:scared:

[tekisui]

7. Both parties are Pro-War. make no mistake.

[malaise]

8. Nothing about ReTHUGS

makes sense. This is fall down funny.

[Syrinx]

9. what's funny?

[malaise]

11. ReTHUGS are about to eat each other

over Afghanistan and Iraq. I am profoundly anti-war, but watching the RW cannibals devour themselves is hilarious.

[Syrinx]

10. I'm surprised this post is considered funny by anyone

The Republican assholes that promoted this war and loved it from the beginning are now cussing Obama for carrying out that policy. Why is that not "funny?"

[malaise]

12. Watch this unfold carefully

Of course Steele lied about the ownership of the war, but he put the stupid endless wars back on the table at the same time that Obama fired McChrystal and Franks and Paul are demanding cuts to the Pentagon budget. The RETHUGS are going to tie themselves up in knots over this one. Get the popcorn and have a good laugh.

Even Mika has seen the breathtaking hypocrisy and obvious contradictions for ReTHUGS.

[tom_paine]

30. I hope you're right, but Corporate M$M and the RW Lie Machine have proven very effective in covering

contradictions like that, not to mention even more glaring hypocrisies.

It all comes back to the neutralization and parastization of the former American Free Press. Now it's wretched remnants are driven, along with the National Dialogue, by the RW Lie Machine and it's linguistic framing.

[DCBob]

13. They are not anti-war.. GOPers will say anything to get their power back...

Its sickening.

[krabigirl]

29. Well, the old school cons actually were, and there's issues in the party ro

as some want to return to that style vs. that of the neocons. AT the very least, it will mean turmoil in the GOP which is only good for Democrats.

As for Obama, I just want him to end the wars and close gitmo. I know ending the wars will take time.

[meow mix]

14. i didnt vote for this.

just sayin

[spanone]

15. repulibcan in power all about war...democrats in power all about economy

it is a fucking game

republicans didn't give one shit about the economy when in power, bu$h* only created 3 million jobs is eight fucking years

it was war war war war terror terror terror

[Octafish]

18. I voted Obama, yet things are still W.

Love for War and Wall Street.

Kick & Recommend.

[izzybeans]

19. It's like 2008 didn't happen for some people. Both Obama and Hillary promised more war

in Afghanistan. We voted for this shit. Either you weren't paying attention or there is a whole lot of disingenuous going on.

Ann Coulture wants war. She just wants her side carrying the bloody sword. All else doesn't matter so long as they can make Obama fail. Threads like this play their game.

When we voted for Obama, we voted knowing full well that Afganistan was the war he was going to ramp up.

One thing he never promised was the timetable to leave Afganistan. So if he didn't keep a promise from the campaign re: the war it is that one.

[TheKentuckian]

22. We didn't vote for the war but for a candidate that supported it

and under a very different strategy than is being executed. Counter-terrorism has become a cold war style occupation without any kind of realistic end game.

We now have the Bush doctrine on steroids. Gun barrel democracy bullshit.

In any event, since the other options were obliterate Iran and bomb,bomb Iran with a heaping helping of we are all Georgians now with a generous side of not sitting down with Spain, it was an exercise in finding the least saber rattling candidate available.
Putting a gun to. A vegetarians head and demanding they choose between steak and bacon isn't really a rational question to hold them accountable for their answer at a later point when it comes out the steak was more green than aged.

Suck it because you voted for it is an absolute coalition and compromise killer. You are arguing for people to never be willing to take the bad with the good without giving up the right to fight for and demand more good.

Suck it because you voted for it is also a lame ass dodge to avoid defending bullshit policy while demanding it be if not supported then at least go without objection.

[izzybeans]

25. I didn't say that.

I said we voted for this "shit" using that term because I agree with most everything you just said. I don't like it. I was against the Afghanistan war from the beginning.

However, there are honest arguments like the one you just made, and then there are those that act utterly shocked that the war is continuing (and I find it hard to consider those honest arguments, though perhaps there are some who were naive enough to not believe the words coming out the candidate's mouth).

The only thing I was shocked about was the lame ass timeline for withdrawal. It made me cautiously optimistic for a short time.

[Romulox]

20. "Don't blame me--*I* voted for KODOS!"

[happy_liberal]

23. Who cares WHY they feel that way- Let's do everything we can to support them

I was hoping this would happen, just as I have been trying to get the righties to turn against the patriot act.

Obama is wrong. The 'right' is finally right for once.

I know it is just a game but now is our only chance to end this illegal immoral unending war of terror.

When the right supported the war, there were absolutely no voices against the war allowed on air.

They own the media...they want the war to end(haha)...even if the mediaheads are playing games, the sheeple will turn against the war. There is hope!!

[JHB]

24. There's just one answer ot that...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8710869

[MoonRiver]

26. They wouldn't have that argument if Obama had ended the wars, as promised.

Repubs are what they are. Dems just keep falling into their traps and screaming foul. How about honoring campaign promises and doing the correct thing, for once, instead of selling out to the powers that be?

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Obama promised to escalate Afghanistan

during the Campaign...

And he promised to deescalate Iraq

He has done mostly both.

People should really PAY ATTENTION TO CANDIDATES and not hear what they want to hear.

[TwilightGardener]

27. LOL--sure, the GOPers are now anti-war, now that Obama is CiC and trying to clean up two wars.

Whatever move he makes, they take the opposite tack, even when they completely contradict themselves. Now watch what happens when Iran does something else obnoxious, they'll have conniptions when Obama doesn't immediately bomb them senseless.

[krabigirl]

28. COulter is no dove. She still 100% supports the Iraq war and thought it was a great idea.

However, I'd say run with this and end them both.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Let me take a serious stab at this

and this started with STEELE by the way.

1.- Obama is President, ergo anything that the President does is wrong...

2.- MOST IMPORTANTLY, Obama is a Democrat, and Democrats are weak on defense... if this COIN should work (and stop the hilarity by the way, there are reasons why I don't think it will) the weak on defense bullshit will lose some of it's sheen. But if it even appears to be working... that turd will start to look like shit... and that is not good if you are a Republican.

3.- Some Republicans ARE NOT idiots... and they see what some of us have seen... the end of Empire is near. SO pulling out of Afghanistan MIGHT just stop the process... no, it won't but hey whatever.

4.- Yes there is some of Orwell here. INSOC is in full force, rewriting history. Before they are done, 9.11 happened under Clinton's watch, and the Iraq\ Afghani Campaigns started last year.

And of course there are the shell games to distract from things like the Gulf...

Oh and I was wondering why STEELE seemed to go off script. I also think we have a civil war going on in the Elephant side between at least two sub-groups of... Conservatives, and I think we are starting to see the Isolationist wing reasserting it's way. Yep, the same wing that fought against WW II.

[asdjrocky]

33. A total shell game.

It's what I like to call the good copping, bad copping of America. Sometimes the pugs play the bad cops, sometimes the good cops. The same thing is true for the Dems.

You know, when they talk about on the Senate floor, or in our House of Representatives about their very good friends on the other side of the isle, it's the only time they are telling the truth.

Why didn't Bush and Cheeny go to jail? Because you don't put your friends in jail.

Why do they keep helping wall street? Because friends help other friends.

Why do we have an MIC? Because everyone loves a man in uniform.

Do I have to go on?

Okay, I will. It's a club we will never be in.