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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:55 PM
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Very little of my family was in this country in 1776, why would someone expect me to celebrate this
holiday?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:56 PM
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1. Not too many of us were around in 1 C.E. either (33, for that matter).
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 11:41 AM
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155. An excellent, excellent point.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:56 PM
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2. Dunno...mate...I'm British..

Not sure why I'd celebrate either...
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:58 PM
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5. If you're british, you can leave the term "mate" off when speaking with me.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:00 PM
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9. I call everyone mate...duck or luv...
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:02 AM
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72. Who pissed in your Cheerios?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:14 PM
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140. Probably the same person who does every time RB posts. nt
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:27 AM
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78. Oooh, sassy!
:rofl:
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:16 AM
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134. I've celebrated other countries holidays while traveling
It makes no difference that I had no stake in the original intent of their holiday. That said, all of our families emigrated here from somewhere else, at various points in the American story. Why wouldn't we celebrate?
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:42 AM
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103. I'm English
damn Brits!
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:56 PM
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3. Chill out, RB! Just think of the holiday as an excuse to drink beer.
:beer:
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:58 PM
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6. Think of the holiday as an excuse to MARKET beer, too
I'm with you, either way!

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:58 PM
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4. Nobody's forcing you.
Do what you want. Stay home. Eat peanut butter and jelly and watch re-runs on TNT.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:59 PM
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7. Do you live in the US?
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 09:00 PM by hughee99
If so, that's why someone would expect it. You can do what you want, but people tend to assume that holidays are celebrated.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:00 PM
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8. No one will notice or care if you don't celebrate. n/t
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:00 PM
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11. Very true, just makes no sense that they would think it's expected.
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:27 PM
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26. What (they) gave you is a holiday
do you think (they ) care anything about what (you) make out of it? (you) to (they) are nothing more that (one) in the very many millions. In the olden days a holiday such as the one you speak of is a paid day off. But what do (I) know !

Oh I know, you do something cool on days off !
I don't think (they) would mind at all !Who ever those (they's) are !



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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:33 PM
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30. Paid day off? The holiday is on a Sunday.
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:44 PM
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36. What about leap year !
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:59 PM
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71. If you don't want to celebrate the 4th, it doesn't matter what day you
don't celebrate it on.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:29 AM
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127. Most companies are giving the Monday after off.
If the holiday falls on a Saturday, they give the Friday before. Either way, it's a three-day weekend.

And, in answer to your original question, who cares when your family came over, up, down... whatever? If you are partaking of American freedoms, then you should celebrate the day we reserve to honor the making of the country.

Now, I do realize that our freedoms are being eroded. I realize that we're the only industrialized country without good and universal access to health care and I realize the one percenters are obliterating the middle class; however, that doesn't take away from the fact that some very progressive-thinking settlers pulled off the near-impossible task of defeating the British to begin a country with one of the most dynamic Constitutions in the world. To bad it's not working out, anymore, actually.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:08 PM
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139. The county clinic I work for is closed on 7/5
since the 4th is on Sunday. Mixed feelings about since we have to use 8 hrs of our PTO for Monday..The holidays we have off gobble up our PTO hours pretty quickly (24 hrs for the summer holidays and 32 hrs for winter holidays) since we can't say "don't use our PTO". We get Thursday and Friday off for Thanksgiving so that's 16 hrs right there.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:00 PM
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10. My family came to this country in the 20th Century
But it is the events that took place in 1776 that created a country of refuge for my family and so many others. There is a lot to celebrate: the ideals of separation of church and state, equality, and that our constitution/government provides the means to improve our implementation of these ideals.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:34 PM
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31. Well said, Betsy R
:patriot:
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:50 PM
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42. Same here, grandparents arrived between 1898 and 1910. Great answer, btw. n/t
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:44 PM
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60. +1
Well said

:yourock: :applause:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:28 PM
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64. +1
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:32 AM
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82. +2
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imnKOgnito Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:20 AM
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83. Indeed
Despite how others have co-opted the name and flag, I choose to see The United States of America that were 'born' that day not as a country, but as an idea that later turned into the ideals set forth in the Constitution. Some may wrap themselves up in the flag and bluster about their patriotism, but their words reveal they haven't a clue as to what those ideas and ideals that the flag they wrap themselves up in represents. For at least a day I try to reflect on not what we've become, but what we were intended to be.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:25 AM
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99. Well said. The revolution was a radical concept.
It shaped not just this country but other democracies around the world.

Concepts like inalienable rights, power coming not from a monarch or God but from the governed, and equal protection under the law.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:24 AM
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123. +1 n/t
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thetonka Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:02 PM
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12. If this is your deciding factor
Then are there any holidays you would celebrate? All holidays celebrate something that happened in the past, and even for those that were alive at the time it's not like everyone could or was at that place at that time.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:10 PM
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19. Most holidays are celebrated by people with a relation to the event.
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thetonka Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:14 PM
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20. And obviously you can not relate to anything about this country or its history
Not knocking you, just pointing out the obvious
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:15 PM
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21. It's a celebration of one event in the country's history
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:45 PM
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61. The Most significant event
Since without it, we'd have remained a British colony
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:29 PM
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28. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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thetonka Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:36 PM
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34. I like this
:hi:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:02 PM
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62. That's great!
It can be crazy, and people's feelings can get hurt, but all in all, it's a great website!

Stick around!

:hi: back atcha!

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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:04 AM
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118. So, you don't celebrate Thanksgiving either?
Not accusing...just wondering, since the roots of that holiday go further back than the July 4th holiday....


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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:04 PM
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13. I don't celebrate the 4th of July -- with YOU!
/nt
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:07 PM
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14. Is there anything you don't take umbrage with?
For what it is worth, I can't imagine anyone caring one iota whether or not you celebrate July 4th Independence day.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:07 PM
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15. I was able to go to the immigrant grandparents' homeplace......

upped my appreciation for the difference their difficult move has made for this family's lives. :patriot:
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:07 PM
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16. I know how you must feel. If my great, great, great, great, great, great, great
uncle hadn't been a Wampanoag Indian who broke bread with the Pilgrims in 1621, I can't even fathom what I'd do around Thanksgiving. Do you think they'd even let me watch football?

I'm betting your life is a pretty tough one. I'd suggest looking for a better outlet than this one if you're hoping things will get better.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:09 PM
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17. My life is fine.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:25 AM
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126. There's a 12 Step program that defines
FINE as


Fucked up
Insecure
Neurotic
Emotional


being "fine" isn't always what it's cracked up to be.

just saying...

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:25 AM
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125. HEY! I think we're related!
My Great great great great great great great great Grandmother was named Sesstom of the Pokanauket (Waumpanog) tribe.

(I always remember "eight greats" from some tomato juice ad..)

I found this page of Waumpanog history:
http://www.tolatsga.org/wampa.html
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:09 PM
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18. LOL! So don't celebrate! simple. nt
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:21 PM
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22. I didn't know you have to have family here. I thought
what the people who WERE here did in freeing us and the founding fathers writing our Constitution which we follow today is revered by all real Americans.

My ancestors WERE here in 1776. In fact my father's line came in 1737 and my mothers a little later in the 1750's. We have documented it that far back. No further record can be found. They might have been here a lot earlier. BUT they didn't come on the Mayflower.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:32 PM
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29. Mine were here in 1662...there were 23 of them in the
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 09:32 PM by shraby
Revolutionary War..I thank them mightily for being there when push came to shove.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 10:21 PM
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167. One of mine was on the Mayflower.
William Bradford to be exact.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:21 PM
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23. Canada Day has nothing to do with 1776
So Im not sure what your issue is :)
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:24 PM
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24. Most of my family was in N. America then. They were natives!
July 4th is fine with me. It reminds me how radical those Founding Fathers were. ;)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:24 PM
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25. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:25 PM
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52. The poster declares his country as "Texas"
That probably explains a lot.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:26 PM
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53. No I don't. There I fixed it, I am not so God damn stupid as to think Texas is a country
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 10:28 PM by RB TexLa

the part in country was ment to be in state.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:25 AM
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107. Well, it is a whole other country. The TX Tourist Bureau says so.
My passport expired, so I guess that trip to Texas is off for me.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:27 PM
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27. I can't imagine that anyone cares if you celebrate it.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:34 PM
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32. Well celebrate on the 2nd then... John Adams would have liked that.
John Adams' famous letter of July 3, 1776, in which he wrote to his wife Abigail what his thoughts were about celebrating the Fourth of July is found on various web sites but is usually incorrectly quoted. Following is the exact text from his letter with his original spellings:

The Second Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shews, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more. You will think me transported with Enthusiasm but I am not. I am well aware of the Toil and Blood and Treasure, that it will cost Us to maintain this Declaration, and support and defend these States. Yet through all the Gloom I can see the Rays of ravishing Light and Glory. I can see that the End is more than worth all the Means. And that Posterity will tryumph in that Days Transaction, even altho We should rue it, which I trust in God We shall not. (The Book of Abigail and John: Selected Letters of the Adams Family, 1762-1784, Harvard University Press, 1975, 142).

http://www1.american.edu/heintze/Adams.htm
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:36 PM
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33. Cause you are here now?
if you arent happy America became America WTF you doing here?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:41 PM
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35. I don't drink with you.
I expect nothing.

:shrug:

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:46 PM
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37. That could never be an issue.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:53 PM
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45. You got that right. n/t
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 04:34 PM
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161. It warms my heart ....every time I see
"I don't drink with you" in one of "these" threads.

There's nothing left to say after that :toast:
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:47 PM
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38. I don't care what you choose to celebrate or not celebrate.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 09:47 PM by Tailormyst
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:47 PM
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39. Breathes there the man with soul so dead...
Breathes there the man with soul so dead,
who never to himself hath said,
'This is my own, my native land!'
>snip<
. Sir Walter Scott


Stay home, avoid the crowds, a lot of people do that. But if all you want to do is gripe :shrug: then at least don't piss on the other kids' parade.

Hekate
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:48 PM
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41. I've done nothing to any kid's parade.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:31 AM
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81. So you're just upset that no one asked you to the dance?
:rofl:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:47 PM
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40. Nobody EXPECTS you to do a damn thing!
Why should I care about your drama?

Oy, it is entertaining?

We, on the other hand, will enjoy the two day weekend.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:51 PM
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43. No drama, just makes no sense they would think I should celebrate it.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:52 PM
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44. Perhaps you are bored tonight. You're certainly getting enough attention out of this
Hope it's been fun.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:53 PM
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46. Just a calm discussion on an internet message board.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:03 PM
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48. Another exciting episode of The RB TexLa Show! nt
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:11 PM
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49. I celebrate my Grandma's Birthday
because she is a part of my family... but I wasn't around when she was born. I send my psychotic Sister a birthday card on her birthday even though she is dysfunctional and a pain to be around. Families create traditions, as well as communities and countries. Traditions give us meaning and make us more human. The traditions of the United States have been created to do the same (some have great significance, some don't). I would acknowledge that there is dysfunction and cause to alter some traditions, but what the heck??? I'll have a drink with someone in the name of Independence Day!

My family has been around since before 1776 (except my dear great-grandmother Mary Bridget Dennison who sailed over from Ireland in 1885)... but I would celebrate if we had only been here for a year. Do what you will... it is all copacetic
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:29 AM
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79. Which would you rather do, wear a seat-belt or celebrate the 4th?
:rofl:
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:11 AM
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119. Yeah, well that's how people are...
There's always going to be someone around who thinks we should be doing something.

So what?

Have you ever said anything outright to the "they" who think you should celebrate July 4th? Like...."I prefer not to, thank you very much, but you run along and have a good time".

And that would be that.

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:21 AM
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135. I did when I told them why I wouldn't be going to their party
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:15 PM
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146. Yeah....and?
What...they flogged you?
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:01 PM
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47. I don't celebrate with you. nt
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:12 PM
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50. Whew. And there I was feeling shitty for not inviting you to the party...
NOW I feel better. Actually, I don't give a damn what you choose to celebrate. No one I know does either. You're completely inconsequential.

I see it as another reason to get together with family and lifelong friends, go boating on my private lake, cook hot dogs and hamburgers, drink mass quantities of alcohol, smoke tons of weed, play lots of 8-Ball, and finish a perfect day off by watching one of the coolest fireworks shows in all of Southern California. My party will be starting Friday night, and continuing until Monday morning. Just me, my wife, and 16 of the coolest people I've ever known. And don't you worry, every toast that's raised over the weekend will be raised without you in mind.

Practice a little tolerance and don't shit on anyone else's celebration of whatever the fuck they want to celebrate.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:19 PM
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51. I've done nothing to anyone's celebrations.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:28 PM
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54. So celebrate share the potato or what ever half assed holiday your country of origin has.
If I was living in Haiti I would certainly help them celebrate their hard fought independence. Most countries have some sort of patriotic holiday. Admittedly some of them involve burning catholics in effigy but still it is only polite if you live in the country to join in the fun.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:31 PM
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55. I would consider it insulting to celebrate someone else's holiday. It's theirs.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:35 PM
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56. It is gracious and
civil and very humane to share in another's celebration and be happy for them. Very few people see it as insulting.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:36 PM
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57. I would feel that I would be insulting them by doing it. Not judging what anyone else does.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:10 PM
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63. Consider all the ethnic festivals
open to the public and enjoyed by all! This list is just a very few and I have at one time or another enjoyed them all. The only time in my life that I felt unwelcome was at a Catholic Church service and I was not allowed communion?????

Cinco De Mayo
Scottish Highland Games
German Beer Fests
Chinese New Year
Mardi Gras
St. Patrick's Day
Easter
Christmas
MLK Day
Fourth of July
Labor Day
Memorial Day
Juneteenth
Halloween
Las Posadas
Hanukkah
Summer Solstice
Winter Solstice
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:40 PM
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67. I'll add some more to the list
Here in Chicago we have parades on many of the above and also

Casimir Pulaski Day (Poles)
St Joseph's Day (Italians)
Puerto Rican Independence Day
Mexican Independence Day (not the same as Cinco de Mayo, it's in September)
GLBT Pride Day
Bud Billiken Parade (African-American)
and many others I'll be embarrassed to have forgotten


Not to mention the various cultural festivals: the Afro-Caribbean Festival of Life, CelticFest, etcetera.

All of these celebrations are full of music and food and fun, and EVERYONE IS INVITED. You don't have to "match." You don't have to explain your ancestry or your sexual identity. All of these have a history and a meaning -- and being inclusive does not do one thing to diminish that, in fact it increases that as people learn about the history and culture of other groups. I'm not Catholic but I've gone to Midnight Mass and the Blessing of the Animals. I'm not Jewish but I've gone to friends' Passover seders.

They're frakkin' holidays. They're celebrations. They're meant to be enjoyed. Geez, people who don't enjoy them don't have to go, but I don't get the point of being surly about their very existence (but maybe that's my Brazilian half talking - we'll take any excuse for a party!).

Actually July 4 is one of my least favorite holidays from a celebration standpoint because I hate the noise and smell of all the neighborhood firecrackers. But I completely honor the meaning of the holiday.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:48 PM
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70. Thanks for the additions
I used to teach and always taught celebrations and celebrated along with them.

I can't count the number of times I have been in restaurants or bars and when someone acknowledged a birthday, everyone joined in and hard to forget this video that someone here posted a few weeks ago

http://www.copenhagenize.com/2010/05/mukhtars-birthday....
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:44 AM
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104. I'm so silly for even asking this
but why would you feel you'd be insulting them? That makes no sense at all. Unless you think you are superior to them for some reason, of course.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #55
80. Were you born in the U.S.?
Then guess what little buddy, the 4th is your holiday too.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:19 AM
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121. OK, I was feeling sort of empathetic earlier, but...
please excuse me when I say that this statement is bullshit.


People's birthdays are theirs...do you refuse to join in their celebrations?


Also...if there are any days which you would celebrate, would you see it as intrusive, or bad manners, if someone from another culture wanted to share in the celebrations with you?

Not from a sense of obligation, but from a sense of shared humanity and joy...





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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:40 PM
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58. My parents came here in the 1970s.
I'm still going to celebrate. :shrug:
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:43 PM
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59. Did you really post this?
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 10:44 PM by blueamy66
Don't friggin' celebrate then. Work a 12 hour day and go home grumpy and eat a Banquet TV dinner and fall asleep watching stupid ass TV.

WTF

Me, I'm taking the day off with pay, sleeping in and enjoying the pool and friends and beer.

Are you depressed? Clinically?
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:02 AM
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86. "eat a Banquet TV dinner"...yuck
Now, a Banquet pot pie...there's a real meal. :)
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:15 AM
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87. only someone who's never had Marie Callender's pot pie
could say that :)
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:19 AM
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89. whoops, posted in wrong place
Edited on Thu Jul-01-10 05:19 AM by eShirl
-edit-
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:45 AM
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113. amen
gotta love MC :-)
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:29 AM
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128. I didn't know she made pot pies too...
I like her frozen dinners.

My favorite pot pie is the one by Mrs Budd.

the only thing missing is the bottom crust.

Do Marie Callender pot pies have a bottom crust?

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Biker13 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 03:26 PM
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158. I Can't Believe I'm Posting This...!
But yes,Marie Callender's Pot Pies do have a bottom crust! I'm (if I may say so myself) a FABULOUS cook! I cook almost everything from scratch, and love to fuss about in the kitchen. The one thing I cannot match, (and I've tried!!) is Marie Callender's Pot Pies!

Try one pipi_k! You'll thank us later!

Biker's Old Lady
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:31 PM
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65. Unrec.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:31 PM
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66. That's the whole point...because we are in this country, you have the freedom to celebrate or not.
It's your choice. Do with it what you will.
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:42 PM
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68. It is the birth of the stupid nation you live in.
There are sales.

We have a day off.

Save money on stuff, and you don't have to go to work, celebrate anyone?

Celebrating is part of how a country might build up a 'culture' or history about itself that lets people connect through the act of celebrating, but no one has to and I doubt people who do celebrate will care if you don't.

Happy 4rth of July doing whatever it is you choose to do, or not.

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:45 PM
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69. Because it's the day we celebrate freedom.
Yes we fucked over a lot of people to get it, and we are really screwing it up, but that doesn't mean the idea isn't valid. I'm no hard core patriot, but the idea of America, the idea of Democracy is something to celebrate even if it's not working the way it's supposed to.

Freedom and equality for all is something to celebrate, even if we aren't there yet.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 06:46 AM
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94. No, it's a celebration of a single event.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:11 PM
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143. LMAO... Semantics.
Edited on Thu Jul-01-10 01:11 PM by walldude
So don't celebrate... Me? All my friends and relatives are coming for a barbecue, we are going to laugh and have fun and get a huge jam going as all my friends are musicians... We'll get drunk and stoned and laugh and party and play music. And for one day I won't think about the economy or heath care or the oil spill. Somehow I think it's going to be quite a day.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:11 AM
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73. Recommend for entertainment value.
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:18 AM
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74. I don't do fireworks with you
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:25 AM
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75. I'd rather you didn't.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:09 AM
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76. Ummmmm...because you're a citizen here? And enjoy the privileges & immunities of the same?
:shrug:

This is truly one of the oddest OP's I've ever seen on DU - and I've seen some duzys.

UnRec. :thumbsdown:
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:26 AM
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77. I love this guy!
It's DU version of Jackass.

:rofl:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:42 AM
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109. ...
:spray: :thumbsup:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:23 AM
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84. I don't know.
Is this a trick question? :shrug:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:28 AM
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85. so don't. I can guarantee no one cares one way or the other...It's
taking self-centeredness to towering heights to post your op. Oh, and celebrating the 4th has jack all to do with when your dear family arrived on these shores.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:17 AM
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88. Just enjoy and let your neighbors have a drink with you
Before the fireworks. Just make sure to lock your car.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 06:07 AM
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90. Why post an OP
with a question then reply snappily, or not reply at all, when you get answers? I have to wonder why you even bothered to post it.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 06:19 AM
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91. do you REALLY have to wonder? I bet I can guess... n/t
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:39 AM
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108. to create fireworks!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #108
110. So in a way, he *IS* celebrating the Fourth!
Ha ha!
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 06:34 AM
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92. Flamebait.
And infantile.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:29 AM
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100. Yeah, but that's kind of his thing.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:46 AM
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114. Don't know this poster.
I don't mind decent flamebait, but this is just silly.

Apparently many are enjoying flaming his butt, though, so I guess it's all good.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 06:37 AM
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93. Don't know, but I celebrate every time you post!
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cyberswede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:43 AM
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112. *snerk*
perfect! :)
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 06:46 AM
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95. I'll bet you're a hoot at parties. nt
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:01 AM
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96. word for word, beat me to it. n/t
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:43 AM
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111. We have direct evidence of this.
Or did you not get to see the "I don't drink with you" thread? A true classic.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:58 AM
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116. I do remember that! It was a classic! Same guy? lol.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:10 AM
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97. You weren't around when your parents were born but I bet you celebrate their birthdays -
- Your family obviously felt this country worth coming to or they wouldn't have made the effort. No doubt you've benefited from their efforts and trials to get here and make the US the family home. You've chosen to stay or you would have gotten yourself the hell out.

It doesn't matter if your family was here in 1776. We're celebrating our national Independence as well as those people in our past - your immigrant ancestor that first came to the US - that made our personal independence possible. If you don't like independence, then make sure you get your butt to work on the 4th and don't you dare drink a beer or eat a burger or even peek at a firework.
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:11 AM
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98. I would expect you to do what you feel is right for you ...
If you don't feel like celebrating the holiday, then don't do it. My ancestors weren't here then either, but I still like the holiday. This year however it feels more sad than celebratory. We have gone so far down the wrong road that I don't know how we can make our way back.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:34 AM
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101. Who expects you to do anything?
Don't celebrate. Who cares?
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:40 AM
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102. no one expects anything of you
get over yourself
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:06 AM
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105. who exactly is this 'THEY' you speak of?
and why do you imagine anyone is spending any time expecting you to do anything?

people are busy and have their own lives to attend to.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:22 AM
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106. Don't take the day off. Work twice as hard. That'll show 'em.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:47 AM
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115. I don't drink with you
:P
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:59 AM
Original message
You're not important enough for anyone to know or care what you do.
Which is a good reason to post provocative threads like this one.
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RayOfHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:59 AM
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117. Well I sure hope you called all the fireworks stands in town so they can shut down
because I am sure they've just been eagerly waiting for you, and only you, to come do some business :eyes:

Why on earth would you think anyone expects/cares if *you* celebrate or not?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:18 AM
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120. Very little of my family was in the manger gawking when Jesus was born.
And yet we still celebrate Christmas. How messed up is that???
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:20 AM
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122. Don't forget to wear green!

:spank:

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:24 AM
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124. If you don't want to don't? My family wasn't here in 1776 either, but I will celebrate
so what?
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rbrnmw Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:52 AM
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129. OMG John Adams is rolling over in his grave
Who freaking cares if don't celebrate I damn sure plan to
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:53 AM
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130. Noone is making you vote either. (nt)
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:08 AM
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131. You could celebrate the freedom from monarchs that your family got for free.
But I wouldn't urge it on anyone, as we seem to have an entrenched aristocracy that's nearly as bad.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:09 AM
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132. Then don't celebrate it.
It's very simple.

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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:16 AM
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133. Aren't you a special little snowflake
:nopity:
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:57 AM
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136. IT'S THE RB TEXLA SHOW!
In a special editorial, RB takes on expectations for holidays in today's show!
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 09:58 AM
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154. +1.
LOL, I always look for that reply in these threads.
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didact Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:05 AM
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137. Doesn't matter...you WILL celebrate this holiday
'they' created it for you and dammit you WILL celebrate it, and they'll be watching. I want you to report back on the 5th and inform us what you did, and you damned sure have better created your own little friggin' Norman Rockwell scene for the occasion!

:eyes:

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:21 PM
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142. lol. nt
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 10:09 PM
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165. Do it! Do it!
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:35 AM
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138. I wasn't around for my grandmother's day of birth...
I wasn't around for my grandmother's day of birth, why would someone expect me to celebrate that?



(You're slipping, you know. It used to be rather entertaining... it now reads as little more than a tired petulance)
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:20 PM
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141. I've never met anyone who expected you to celebrate Independence Day.

:shrug:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:13 PM
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144. I'm going to Starbucks on the 4th
You can join me sipping coffee and doing nothing. :)
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:13 PM
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145. You don't have to...
but what a weird thing to complain about.
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:31 PM
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147. Who's expecting you to celebrate?
Flame-bait

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:36 PM
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148. Just what the fuck are we free and independent from now?
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:45 PM
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149. What holiday?
Oh, the one that often turns into drunken brawls, scares the pets and starts horrible fires? That holiday?

I'm working that day. Time and a half. Double time if I can work in a little overtime, I'll celebrate my next paycheck.

Seriously, the 4th is used by many for family's get togethers and such. I love the concept of holidays and find them very valuable to society.

I wish we had more of them, like Canada does.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:55 PM
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150. I see you are in Plano, good to know you won't be taking up one of the
few parking spots at Oak Point Park for the fireworks diplay :rofl:

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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:57 PM
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151. and GET OFF MY LAWN!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:42 PM
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152. Study the social, economic, and political history of the world in order to understand
Edited on Thu Jul-01-10 03:03 PM by Zorra
how our country, despite its many faults, is still a precious jewel among all the "civilized" countries and governments that have existed since the beginning of recorded history. It is possible that the majority of people in some indigenous societies once enjoyed a significant amount of freedom similar to that which we as Americans enjoy today, but there have been, relatively, few "civilized" societies in the entire history of the world that even ever dreamed of having what we have today.

The history of the world is largely the story of people like you and I struggling, with absolutely no rights to anything whatsoever, against the forces of tyranny and oppression by warlords, kings, lords, and other privileged royalty.

Learning the history of the "civilized" world will help give you an understanding of what makes the following document so important in the history and evolution of the governments and countries as well as that of the human race.

If you can arrive at an understanding of the enormous importance of this document, which subsequently led to the adoption of the Constitution of the US, I hope you will come to appreciate the freedoms that you have here in our country.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

Peace.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 09:11 AM
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153. Go shake your cane at some teenagers.
Feel better?
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 02:04 PM
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156. Kicking for the entertainment factor.
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Old Troop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 03:25 PM
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157. Who expects you to celebrate? I served as a soldier for nearly 30
years and usually sit home and read on Independence Day. That said, I am fully aware of the terrible risk that the people who signed the Declaration took. They literally put their lives in jeopardy as rebels against their sovereign. As an aside, part of my family was in America in 1776, but had just arrived in Nova Scotia the year before when Boston was evacuated by the Brits. They supported King and Parliament and considered themselves loyal English subjects.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 03:28 PM
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159. Another classic thread from the OP. Guaranteed entertainment.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 03:44 PM
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160. I don't watch fireworks with you.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 04:35 PM
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162. and I don't drink with you...
Edited on Sun Jul-04-10 04:35 PM by RetroLounge
:rofl:

RL
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 04:37 PM
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163. boy we're really missing out on the life of the party, huh?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 04:39 PM
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164. Because most of your family immigrated legally, and were welcomed here
Just like my family.
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Bert Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 10:18 PM
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166. What an ignorant thread
Edited on Sun Jul-04-10 10:27 PM by Bert
Okay, we will all not celebrate our founding because you weren't here if it makes you happy. Feel better now? Does any country have a right to celebrate it's existence? Maybe we could come up with a holiday specifically to make you feel better.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 11:40 PM
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168. You are right. It's a terrible place. Fuck it.
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