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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:48 PM
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Would you give up your cell phone -or use it minimally- to save the bees?
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 07:49 PM by Mimosa
Recent research is showing that cell phone use is harmful for honey bees. I've been reading about this (as well as research showing cell phone use might cause brain tumors) and gave up my cell phone. My DH keeps on which we can use for emergencies while travelling. But how many people use cell phones for necessity? Have you listened to what people yammer about in grocery stores? What type of frozen pizza to choose.Posted Image

http://www.cnn.com/2....mobile.phones /

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London, England (CNN) -- A new study has suggested that cell phone radiation may be contributing to declines in bee populations in some areas of the world.

Bee populations dropped 17 percent in the UK last year, according to the British Bee Association, and nearly 30 percent in the United States says the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Parasitic mites called varroa, agricultural pesticides and the effects of climate change have all been implicated in what has been dubbed "colony collapse disorder" (CCD).

But researchers in India believe cell phones could also be to blame for some of the losses.

In a study at Panjab University in Chandigarh, northern India, researchers fitted cell phones to a hive and powered them up for two fifteen-minute periods each day.
After three months, they found the bees stopped producing honey, egg production by the queen bee halved, and the size of the hive dramatically reduced.

It's not just the honey that will be lost if populations plummet further. Bees are estimated to pollinate 90 commercial crops worldwide. Their economic value in the UK is estimated to be $290 million per year and around $12 billion in the U.S.

Andrew Goldsworthy, a biologist from the UK's Imperial College, London, has studied the biological effects of electromagnetic fields. He thinks it's possible bees could be affected by cell phone radiation.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:53 PM
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1. Give it up? No. I already use it minimally.
I received one call today. One call yesterday. No calls in the 3 days before that. I made no calls.

I don't like talking on the phone. Minimal use is no problem.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:58 PM
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3. Ditto... have the lowest talk plan possible.
and give back most minutes every month. I email a great deal, rarely text.

As for the bee studies, I'd wait a bit before drawing conclusions. The Indian study is subject to a great deal of criticism among entomologists and other scientific reviewers. But, if cell phones were found to be linked, I'd gladly look at whatever alternatives there might be.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:06 PM
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7. +1 Yes, I don't use it at all except for
an occasional text msg. Or in the event of an emergency such as needing AAA and the more serious variety of emergency calls which thankfully, so far I haven't needed.

Could be because I'm hearing impaired and would have to ask someone to use my phone and call for me. There are some upsides to not hearing well.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:56 PM
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2. Yes To both
I use for only three things
1. So other people can reach me
2. As a clock
3. For the translation tools

I was born in '64 and spent the majority of my life w/o one. I could easily get by w/o it now

on note: I bought my first cell phone in 2002.
I only started carrying one regularly in 2005.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:58 PM
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4. We've had a cell phone for about a year and half. We've used it about 8 times.
And, 6 of those times were just to see if it was working.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:00 PM
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5. I rarely use mine as a phone because I hate talking on the phone
That, and I have bad arthritis in my shoulders.
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Peregrine Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:05 PM
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6. Okay
So we know a biologist "thinks it's possible" and if you attach cell phones (is that 2, 10, 100?) to a hive it may affect the bees. Well, it should be illegal for bees to use cell phones!

What did the control groups do during these 3 months. But it sounds like that took a baseline from the experimental group and didn't use control groups. This almost sounds like a high school science project.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:15 PM
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8. "A new study has 'suggested' that cell phone radiation 'may' be contributing
to declines in bee populations in some areas of the world."

The actual story says the study suggests that cell phone radiation may be contributing to delcines in bee populations in some areas of the world.

Yet you say "cell phone use is harmful for honey bees". These 2 phrases do not say the same thing.

I already use my cell phone minimally. I see people walking around at 3 or 4 a.m., talking on their cell phones and I wonder who they are talking to or what they could possibly be talking about that is so important at that time of the day.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:11 PM
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16. The link seems broke, so did the study factor in any other possible causes
for the decline?

Was the hive healthy to begin with?

How old was the queen? A queen's egg production will begin to fall off after her second year. After her third year, she'll start to run out of fertile eggs.

Were 'cides being used within a five mile area surrounding the hive?

Did the bees have access to clean water?

Were there other tests done on varying distances of phones relative to the hives? Sorry for the sarcasm, but I doubt many people stand right next a bee hive and use their cell.

Was other electronic equipment tested?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:16 PM
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9. 1. Fuck the bees.
2. Cell phones don't hurt bees, unfortunately.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:18 PM
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20. And Navy sonar doesn't harm whales.
You don't know what electromagnetic waves do to bees or human yet. Tell me when you complete a major study. :dunce:


I think caution -not panic- might be wise.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:24 PM
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10. I couldn't use my cell phone much less than the 100 minutes or so a year
I use on it. I have a Tracfone, buy the fewest minutes possible and still end up with hundreds of minutes left over every year. Since I only leave the farm a couple of times a year and the only time my phone is even turned on is when I leave, my phone spends 90% of the time turned off. Most times I leave home, the only calls are for directions or to connect with my husband so we can meet in town. I never just chat on the cell - I hate talking on it and only have one for emergencies and for essential communication.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:27 PM
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11. No
First - I don't have a landline. Haven't for many many years. I'm never home. And I consider myself transient still - meaning . . . if I want to jet I want to jet and not screw around with a lot of utilities. I've no contract with Comcast so if I decide to move over to Italy or Netherlands next year? I call comcast and pseg to cancel, and call vodafone to transfer my services. Voila! I try to keep life simple with few bills and obligations as possible.

Second - My father is a veteran (Korea/Vietnam). He has agent orange syndrome. My parents made a very good living for many years, but I help with the cost of his prescriptions (even with the V.A. and Mcare).

Third - I can help my parents financially because I work for one of the major wireless carriers as a product manager.


I would need to dig into the study, but in this time of joblessness in NJ and everywhere? I don't want to see one more single American lose their jobs. Do a bigger study, over more time and give the industry a chance to correct the issue. I'm also a person who was a worker 'bee' at Global Crossing. When everyone was saying the economy was great in 2000/2001/2002 - Many of us were out of work a year or two years. We finally are recovering from those years of almost bankrupt/homeless or bankrupt/homeless . . . Eh? I don't want to see people out of jobs.


Give me a few more studies and we'll go back to the device manufacturers and to change or become obsolete. :pals: :wink:

In the meantime? What is being presented will throw hundreds of thousands of people out of work that keep roofs over their heads and food on their tables. They aren't rich - so they pay taxes. And most of the worker bees I work with now are giving time and money to food banks .. . because we were where MANY Americans are - not too long ago.

Forget the guys / the few at the top. You walk around Basking Ridge NJ and it's a lot of liberals with big hearts that give a damn. Our taxes and disposable incomes go to help out another American down on their luck.
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:29 PM
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12. I hardly use my cell phone, maybe I spoke for an hour in the last 12month on it, same before that.
There are probably many more significant causes for the decline in the bee population as you have listed several, pesticides, parasites, the decline of wild flowers by man's ever increasing destruction of nature, etc.

But if cell phones do contribute to their demise 'people' aren't stopping not until bees are all nearly all dead, maybe. 'People' need to constantly yap with each other about every tiny detail of their lives all the time, just as they need to tweet and text about everything that happens.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:55 PM
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13. I haven't turned mine on in a week.
So, sure, I could give it up.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:03 PM
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14. I tend not to knee jerk based on junk science
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:05 PM
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15. nah
I run my business of my cell phone, and I have tons of bees allll up in my shrubs (duranta) and we have them all over the farm for that matter and one block of the farm has a cell phone tower on it.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:13 PM
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17. Nope.
Me and the bees...not friends.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:15 PM
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18. LINK REPAIRED: at ths post
CNN lost the link. That happens. Here it is.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/06/30/bee.decline.... /


I don't think mobile homes have contributed much to us. Yammer, yammer, yammer. Yes, I can see how they are GREAT for doctors or in emergencies.

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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:17 PM
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19. I have had the same cell phone for almost six years.
I take it with me when I go out to use in an emergency.
Luckily, there have been none.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:22 PM
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22. Cell phones are great for travelling.
When cell phones came out I thought how great they are for people who are on the road, or when planes are delayed, et al.

Other than that, they seem to contribute to a dissociation with one's immediate environment.

And the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has done many studies and results have shown cell phone use causes auto accidents.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:21 PM
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21. Tell you what: I won't attach my cell phone to any bee hives.
Meanwhile, this is some very-thin evidence.

But it likely is reasonable to not put bee hives in electromagnetic fields.

Hey, do you suppose that the bees reduced their honey production because they were off twittering rather than collecting nectar?
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:23 PM
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23. Nah. Probably watching soaps. n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:34 PM
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24. Sure! I mean, I barely use that thing anyway
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:36 PM
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25. Mine is only a week or two old and my first one in 10 years so sure no problemo.
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