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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:51 PM
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Dr Kelly 'couldn't have slit his wrist as he was too weak'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1291019/Dr-Kell...

Dramatic new testimony has heaped pressure on ministers to reopen the investigation into the death of Dr David Kelly.

A female colleague claims that the UN weapons inspector could not have committed suicide as claimed, as he was too weak to cut his own wrist.

Mai Pedersen, a U.S. Air Force officer who served with Dr Kelly's inspection team in Iraq, said a hand and arm injury meant that the 59-year-old even 'had difficulty cutting his own steak'.

(snip)

In a letter to the new Attorney General Dominic Grieve through her lawyers, Miss Pedersen also said Dr Kelly had difficulty swallowing pills, casting serious doubt on the Hutton Inquiry conclusion that he swallowed 29 painkillers before slitting his left wrist.

Campaigners hope her extraordinary intervention will convince ministers of the need for a new investigation. Mr Grieve has already indicated that he believes the case could merit a further inquiry.

(end snip)

Drip, Drip, Drip...
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:55 PM
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1. kr for justice.
How about the US reopen the Anthrax case?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:16 PM
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2. K&R
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:18 PM
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3. K & R
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:18 PM
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4. Oops!
K&R for truth and justice.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:01 PM
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5. KnR... n/t
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:40 PM
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6. Wow...
K&R for justice!
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:46 PM
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7. K&R! We need to get the truth of what happened!
I'm still betting it shows the roots of the evil of the last administration and those working with it.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:05 PM
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8. K&R for truth!
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:37 PM
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9. k&r
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:42 PM
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10. We need to look forward, not backward..






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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:47 PM
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11. I don't think the BS nature of the suicide story
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 10:48 PM by noise
is the key factor in preventing an honest investigation.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:50 PM
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12. David Kelly post mortem to be kept secret for 70 years
David Kelly post mortem to be kept secret for 70 years as doctors accuse Lord Hutton of concealing vital information

By Miles Goslett
Last updated at 11:28 PM on 23rd January 2010



Vital evidence which could solve the mystery of the death of Government weapons inspector Dr David Kelly will be kept under wraps for up to 70 years.

In a draconian and highly unusual order, Lord Hutton, the peer who chaired the controversial inquiry into the Dr Kelly scandal, has secretly barred the release of all medical records, including the results of the post mortem, and unpublished evidence.

The move, which will stoke fresh speculation about the true circumstances of Dr Kellys death, comes just days before Tony Blair appears before the Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq War.

It is also bound to revive claims of an establishment cover-up and fresh questions about the verdict that Dr Kelly killed himself.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245599/David-K...

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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:07 PM
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13. All but an admission that the suicide story is complete BS
To state the obvious, a government acting in good faith would never hide the evidence for 70 years.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:10 AM
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22. That wouldn't be the first time.
Great Britain also has a habit of not actually declassifying documents even when the 70-year deadline approaches. There are still (supposedly) large numbers of documents from World War I which are not and may never be declassified, though that was supposed to happen decades ago.

The problem is that one can quite easily create false intelligence value by refusing to declassify certain old documents. You say you can't declassify it, which makes someone else waste a lot of time and effort to find out what it is you're hiding, when in fact you're hiding nothing but mundane crap.

Lying about everything and slapping secrecy and gag orders on all documentation allowed one political faction to recently steal two elections, start two wars on false pretenses, and steal a trillion dollars in a certain corrupt third-world nation. The secret to their success was the inability of their opposition to penetrate the cloud of deceit and disinformation before it was too late.

Still other disclosures, like the reluctantly revealed fact that Great Britain ran a huge and highly successful propaganda campaign within the United States before its entry into World War II, are still ugly to this day and likely wouldn't have been revealed were it not for administrative accident and the work of independently minded idealists here and there.

So don't expect to see an official disclosure even in 2080, though unofficial details may emerge long before then.

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abrupt Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:03 AM
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18. ???
Shouldn`t it be up to his family to make the decision if they want his records released? Just cause he worked for the Goverment, do they have that right?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:05 AM
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20. You're thinking like an American, He was a Brit.
Vastly different laws.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:36 AM
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26. he has british government health care
and the government owns the records

to me that is another strike against state run health care
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:46 PM
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35. Am I missing the sarcasm somewhere?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:18 PM
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43. Yeah it'd be sooo much better if United Health Care owned the records. nm
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:52 PM
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31. I believe the judge intentionally did this to spark further outcry.
It makes the case so obviously a cover-up, that a new investigation is needed.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:47 PM
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36. Yeah...
... except for the "tiny" detail that the classification of the documents makes the investigation impossible.

Or do they play 3D-chess in the UK too?
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:59 AM
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14. K&R
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:01 AM
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15. May the truth be revealed to all. And SOON.
I have always believed this was an assassination.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:02 AM
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16. K&R
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:50 AM
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17. K&R
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 07:39 AM
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19. A lot of people on the UK Board here still support LieBlair...
If the DUers are that ignorant, just imagine what most Britons are like nowadays.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:45 AM
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21. Not so much
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:38 PM
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34. Great posts there...espeically liked the idea of the medal being fired at Blair from a cannon
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:55 AM
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23. Agree -- this is all farce and we should continue to fight these lies . . .
This is merely about the rise of the right -- and the only way the can rise

and hold onto power is with violence --

And we here have had 50 plus years of right wing political violence which also

makes it even clearer --

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:07 AM
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24. it'd sure be nice to have the notes for the book he was writing.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:30 AM
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25. I Don't Go in For Too Many Conspiracy Theories
Edited on Thu Jul-01-10 11:31 AM by On the Road
but this suppposed suicide never smelled right. I hope more comes out about it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:39 AM
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27. "no geographical limitations" on the Cheney Death Squads
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:26 PM
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28. bush and cheney death squads
Paul Wellstone
Ray Lemme
michael connelly
Bruce Ivins
Pat Tillman
Marvin Bush's maid Bertha Champagne
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:57 PM
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32. You forgot Ken Lay
Heart attack MY ASS.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:49 PM
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37. No kidding...
... Mr. "Health Nut" Lay happened to die as he was about to face the music in court.

Also where is Mrs. "cry me a river" Lay? Has anyone followed and keep track of their assets?
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:37 PM
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40. the happy couple is back together
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:20 PM
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44. My money says Mr. Lay isnt dead. Probably in Dubai. nm
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:34 PM
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33. Athan Gibbs, Sr
Edited on Thu Jul-01-10 02:36 PM by BrklynLiberal
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/03-21-04/discussion.cg...
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Music City was stunned last weekend when it learned that Athan Lee Gibbs, Sr. founder of TruVote International was killed in a two-vehicle collision on 1-65 near Metro Center Drive Friday morning, March 12 at approximately 10:30 am.

Gibbs, 57 was an accountant, auditor and inventor who single-handedly changed the face of elections in America when he developed the first touch screen voting machines (DRE) equipped with a Voter Verifiable Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT).

He named his machine the TruVote Voter Validation and Verification System, certified it with the federal government and began marketing the machine in 2002.

During the unprecedented events surrounding the validity of the vote count in the 2000 presidential election, it became apparent to Gibbs that several inadequacies existed with the voting systems currently used in the United States.

His concerns about the problematic election and his selfdescribed passion for democracy led him to invent the TruVote System.

The paper trail serves three purposes, Gibbs once explained. It provides a means to verify that the DRE voting machine is accurately recording each voters intent. It offers a means to manually recount votes in close elections. Lastly, it gives voters confidence that their votes are being recorded and reported as they intended. It eliminates blind faith voting.

<snip>
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:31 PM
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39. Wow! Thanx
"A project sponsored by the Carnegie Corporation, Cal-Tech and M.I.T. determined between 4 to 6 million votes were lost
in the 2000 election."

Any guesses on who those votes went to?

Sadly the same shit is still happening in 2010 in S. Carolina Mr. Greene got more votes than ballots cast as he won the Democratic
spot to run for the U.S. Senate ..... despite having no staff, no ads, no website, little if any speeches, no money, no job, and no home.

In the 2008 primary in some precincts in Harlem and the Bedford Stuyvesant, area of Brooklyn B. Obama got zero votes. Guess the
black voters didn't want a black President.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:37 PM
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41. Was it Stalin who said "The only thing that matters is WHO counts the votes"?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-05-10 03:05 AM
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45. You've got the right notion
Of what all too often goes on.

Our local Public station runs a program about JFK Jr, and how suspicious his plane going down was.

For instance, his plane was equipped with the standard instrument that broadcasts a downed plane's location. yet the Coast Guard didn't bother looking for the plane (Due at around 9:30 Pm the night of the flight) until AFTER Ted Kennedy called Bill Clinton at 7 Am the next morning.

And then the Coast guard spent the next six or seven hours saying they couldn't locate the plane as they had to search an area of some 2,400 sq miles.

When in reality the beacon was offering the exact location of the plane. Probably from within moments after the crash.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:49 PM
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29. k and r....nt
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:50 PM
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30. I always thought that case smelled fishy from the getgo.
No way he killed himself.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:21 PM
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38. drip...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:47 PM
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42. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, deminks.
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