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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:11 PM
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Cell Phones and Bees! OMG!!


In a study at Panjab University in Chandigarh, northern India, researchers fitted cell phones to a hive and powered them up for two fifteen-minute periods each day.

After three months, they found the bees stopped producing honey, egg production by the queen bee halved, and the size of the hive dramatically reduced.

http://bit.ly/d2yKwo
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:13 PM
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1. They probably wouldnt stop talking on the phone like several people I know
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:13 PM
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2. Important news.
:kick: & R
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:15 PM
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3. There might be the answer to that hive collapse problem we are having....
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 12:15 PM by BrklynLiberal
;)
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:25 PM
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9. Very interesting...and Monsanto has a LOT to do with it too
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:16 PM
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4. That's what unlimited texting will get you. lol.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:18 PM
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5. If they were iPhones, I can assure you it's because they were too busy playing Air Hockey
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:18 PM
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6. I'm definitely not a fan of bees
but it's quite sad that we really do seem to kill everything!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:24 PM
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8. Curious why you're not a fan of bees... thanks. n/t
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:11 PM
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18. I understand their impact on everything
but personally I'm deathly allergic to bee stings and am terribly afraid of them. If I get stung I will be hospitalized (and I have no insurance). So that's my selfish reason for not liking bees.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:15 PM
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21. Hi, thanks. I was just curious, well, nosy. Thanks!
:hi: :hi: :hi:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:23 PM
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28. Are you New Earth or tabbycat31? Thanks! n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:42 PM
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13. I'm quite the fan of bees, given that much of the world may starve
--literally starve--without them...
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:50 PM
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15. Bees are cool.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 12:50 PM by jp11
Bees play an important role in pollinating flowering plants, and are the major type of pollinator in ecosystems that contain flowering plants. Bees either focus on gathering nectar or on gathering pollen depending on demand, especially in social species. Bees gathering nectar may accomplish pollination, but bees that are deliberately gathering pollen are more efficient pollinators. It is estimated that one third of the human food supply depends on insect pollination, most of which is accomplished by bees, especially the domesticated European honey bee. Contract pollination has overtaken the role of honey production for beekeepers in many countries. Monoculture and the massive decline of many bee species (both wild and domesticated) have increasingly caused honey bee keepers to become migratory so that bees can be concentrated in seasonally varying high-demand areas of pollination.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee#Pollination

Though if you have allergies that can suck.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:53 PM
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16. No bees = death of mankind. I am a fan of bees given I want to see human race survive. n/t
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:15 PM
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20. that's ridiculous hyperbole AND IT ISN'T TRUE....
Come on. All human staple crops are wind pollinated.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:34 PM
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22. Human race can't survive on grains & starches alone.
Vegtables & Fruits are essential for vitamin, minerals, and overall good health, disease resistance.

Just some of the crops which rely upon bees for pollination:
Okra, Kiwifruit, Bucket orchid, Onion, Cashew, Atemoya, Cherimoya, Custard apple, Celery, Strawberry tree, Pawpaw, Carambola, Starfruit, Brazil nut, Beet, Mustard, Rapeseed, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Cabbage, Brussels sprouts, Chinese cabbage, Turnip, Canola, Pigeon pea, Cajan pea, Congo bean, Jack bean, Horse bean, Sword bean, Chile pepper, Red pepper, Bell pepper, Green pepper, Papaya, Safflower, Caraway, Chestnut, Star apple, Cainito, Watermelon, Tangerine, Tangelo,
Coconut, Coffea spp. Coffea arabica, Coffea canephora, Cola nut, Coriander, Crownvetch, Hazelnut, Azarole, Cantaloupe, Melon, Cucumber, Squash (plant), Pumpkin, Gourd, Marrow, Zuchini, Guar bean, Goa bean, Quince, Lemon, Lime, Carrot,
Hyacinth bean, Longan, Persimmon, Durian, Oil palm, Cardamom, Loquat, Buckwheat, Feijoa, fig, Fennel, Strawberry, Soybean
Stanhopea, Cotton, Sunflower, Walnut, Flax, Lychee, Lupine, Macadamia, Acerola, Apple, Mammee, Mango, Sapodilla, Alfalfa
Rambutan, Cactus, Prickly pear, Sainfoin, Passion fruit. Maracuja, Avocado, Lima bean, Kidney bean, Haricot bean, Adzuki bean, Mungo bean, String bean, Scarlet runner bean, Allspice, Apricot, Sweet Cherry, Sour cherry, Plum, Greengage, Mirabelle, Sloe, Almond, Peach, Nectarine, Guava, Pomegranate, Pear, Black currant, Red currant, Rose hips, Dogroses
Boysenberry, Raspberry, Blackberry, Elderberry, Sesame, Eggplant, Naranjillo, Rowanberry, Service Tree, Hog plum,
Tamarind, Cocoa, Clover (not all species), White clover, Alsike clover, Crimson clover, Red clover, Arrowleaf clover,
Blueberry, Cranberry, Vanilla, Tung tree, Broad bean, Vetch, Cowpea, Black-eyed pea, Blackeye bean, Karite, Tomato Bumble bees fruit, Grape, Jujube
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:46 PM
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25. many, if not most of those crops can be pollinated by native pollinators....
Seriously-- the worst impact of loss of commercial pollination services is likely to be to the bee-keeping industry, not to human food supply or to natural pollination services.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:28 PM
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29. Shh your using facts again. nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:23 PM
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7. Thanks for posting this!!! n/t
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:26 PM
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10. There is no inverse-square law in the Punjab?
Or are there cellphones that close to all the collapsing hives observed?
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:29 PM
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11. Not sure about this study.
They had an appropriate control group (A "blank" colony with a dummy cellphone and a control with no cellphone), but in the results section they do not compare the results between all three groups (Blank, Control and Test), they only compare between Control and Test. You need to compare all three to minimize potential bias. Also, they are not entirely clear on their methods of replication or randomization.

You can read the paper here:

http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/25may2010/1376.pdf


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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:36 PM
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12. this story is already being ridiculed on Entomo-L, the entomology listserve....
It's just more bad science journalism.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:44 PM
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14. Yes... I believe it has been studied in an actually scientific manner
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 12:45 PM by hlthe2b
and ruled out as related to colony collapse. This 6th grade level "science experiment" ought to have stimulated a bit more study (and research on the part of the reporters).
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:00 PM
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17. Of course production stopped they're all tweeting and updating their blogs
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 02:00 PM by Stevenmarc
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:14 PM
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19. here's some of the ridicule being expressed about this "study...."
This is cut and pasted from a post on Entomol-L just a few minutes ago:

I find it hard to imagine that this is an appropriate experimental design if one wishes to understand how radio emissions affect bees in the wild. Do these folks not understand how intensity drops off with distance? "The dose makes the poison"?? In plain fact, since their "control" hives were not being actively *shielded* from EM emissions, they were not actual controls, but simply a lower treatment level. Maybe we should ask these researchers if they think it would be appropriate to have THEM sit on top of a cell phone base station for 12 hours a day for a few months to see if it has any effect on *human* health? I'll bet they could suddenly come up with a lot of reasonable arguments why NOT to do so - the same arguments that apply to doing this with bees. About all they can conclude from this study is that it might be bad to put cell phones inside bee hives. That has nothing whatsoever to do with CCD, and it's irresponsible for them to claim otherwise.

As an additional point, I'm not so sure it's entirely fair to describe the use of magnetic fields by honeybees as if that was how they navigate. Honeybees use landmarks to navigate, but when they are learning landmarks, they conceptually "map" them using the magnetic field for orientation. To quote one of the studies of this phenomenon: "Taken together, these results suggest that these insects place retinotopically localized memories in Earth-based coordinates. We report here that honeybees accomplish this very simply: when learning about or searching for a goal, they face consistently in one compass direction, aided by the Earth's magnetic field. We suggest that the main benefit of inspecting the world from one favoured direction is to simplify the storage and retrieval of retinotopic memories." That's a subtle distinction, but important. Screwing with a honeybee's magnetic senses (assuming that radio waves can *have* such an effect) should have minimal impact if the bee is flying over familiar landscape.
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Evasporque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:34 PM
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23. Bees should not have cell phones.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:04 PM
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24. Humans should not have cellphones either.
:)

(Well maybe for emergencies.)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:49 PM
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26. Humans should not live near forests, lakes, and the desert.
Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, and Chupacabra, respectively.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:52 PM
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27. That's about as far from "science" as anything I've ever seen.
As long as the bees don't have an unlimited family plan they'll be fine.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-05-10 08:46 AM
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30. 1
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