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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:08 PM
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The youngest Duggar comes home
The family with 19 children finally brought home the youngest. She had spent the first six months of her life in neonatal intensive care.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20009267-1039170...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:10 PM
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1. Flood of snide responses in 3, 2, 1........
Best wishes for this child. She deserves a chance like every other child .
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:14 PM
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You know, I had plenty to say about this
But thought the better of it.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:13 PM
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40. Really? Like every other child has wealthy and famous parents
to spoon feed them Fundamentalist crap and give them the best health care money can buy, along with free babysitting for life.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:12 PM
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2. Now they'll start working on #20, probably. n/t
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:24 PM
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8. Might be difficult to have another now.
But there's always the magic of in vitro fertilization. Maybe she could have a half dozen or so all at once!
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:14 PM
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3. Would someone please explain to those morons how to put on a condom?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:14 PM
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4. I wish Josie the best.
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gater Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:17 PM
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5. hey, a spin-off new reality show...
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 12:19 PM by gater
Josie is raised by pop divas, in "Josie and The Pussycat Dolls!"
Thanks, and good night!
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:20 PM
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6. Oh! Its a miracle!
Praise Allah
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:22 PM
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7. I think it is amazing that Mr. & Mrs. Duggar have time...
to do their hair all styled up and all.

Tikki
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:29 PM
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10. The other kids do most of the parenting. (nt)
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:46 PM
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12. The girls to be specific.
n.t.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:19 PM
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19. The girls also do much of the harder tasks around the house.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:29 PM
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43. That is because Jim Bob doesn't have a real job
It is amazing what you can have time for in you don't have to work.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:25 PM
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9. Just can't say what I'm thinking other than I hope she gets the longterm medical care she needs
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:37 PM
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11. She looks as though she will be needing very long term care.
So sad.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:01 PM
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13. First 6 months in intensive care...
that is just so sad for the baby. What kind of life is this child to have?

Society should tax these fuggars on every child over 2.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:06 PM
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14. I don't know if they should be taxed on the children.
But they certainly shouldn't be receiving tax breaks for them. Especially considering their attitude that they can keep popping out children and that GOD won't give them any more than they can provide for. Well, the government is providing for those kids. And these idiots will be the first to scream that government needs to get out of their lives. They're scummy people.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:14 PM
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16. I don't think the 'government is providing for those kids'. The Duggars own several businesses in
Springdale, work as real estate brokers, and rake in big bucks for every episode of their TLC show. Jim Bob was in politics back in the late '90s. They do not hurt for money.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:17 PM
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17. You don't think they receive tax deductions for each and every one of those kids?
And saying that their show is paying for them is kind of circular logic. Perhaps if a family with 10 children is struggling to survive, they can just have 10 more kids and then TLC will pay for them.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:20 PM
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30. So you want to cap the number of deductions people can take? They aren't doing anything wrong by
taking either tax exemptions or a salary from TLC. Tax deductions are limited for those whose income is above $156,400 per couple.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:23 PM
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31. Yes I do. I don't think people should be rewarded for having 10+ children.
I think a line needs to be drawn, but I'm not entirely certain where. I definitely think that the Duggars are awful for their whole "Quiverfull" philosophy.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:31 PM
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32. You do know that things are based more on income than on numbers of dependents in the tax world. If
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 02:33 PM by sinkingfeeling
the Duggars are making in excess of $250,200, the exemption for each is reduced from $3650 to $2433. I suspect that they are above that figure in yearly income.

Added link

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch03.html
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:44 PM
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33. I know that it's based on both.
And in the case of the Duggars, those exemptions add up to close to $50k. That's awful. The Duggars don't need financial incentive for them to have more children.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:46 PM
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35. Does anybody need a financial incentive to have them? Then why are they there?
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:51 PM
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37. I think some people do.
I'm sure there are lots of people who would be far more reluctant to have a child if they couldn't get a tax deduction. However, I think that this deduction shouldn't continue regardless of how many children you have.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:56 PM
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45. +1
Yeah, go out and have a few or ten litters for christ. What a cult!

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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:10 PM
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39. What about child labor laws in Arkansas?
Do they even exist?

John and Kate Gosselin were in trouble in Pennsylvania for their children being televised. The final ruling in Pennsylvania allowed the children to be filmed, but did specify that a percentage of the profits would go in trust for each child.

I wonder if the Duggar children are receiving any type of trust monies for their participation in these shows.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:24 PM
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22. Probably lots of disabilities
Kids with these kinds of birth circumstances don't usually just get over them. There are many lifelong issues, both cognitive and physical. The outcomes are not always pretty.

I have students who were this tiny at birth. Most are still much smaller than their peers as teenagers and have many problems learning.
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:38 PM
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44. I spent the first 5 months of my life in NICU...
and I've got a pretty good life.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:03 PM
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46. I'm so sorry I chose that to say.
It was offensive and I regret it. And it is factually wrong.

These people have creeped me out from the moment I learned about them.

I'm irrational when I hear of them. Banishment of the fuggars would suit me fine.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:06 PM
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15. I am really glad...
that we don't live next door to that family!!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:17 PM
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18. More cannon fodder for our country's future resource wars
Keep popping 'em out, Duggars. Uncle Sam needs more "volunteers".

Oh and don't worry about that "home schooling". Chances are they won't live long enough to put all that bible stuff to any use.
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:23 PM
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20. The hospital should have captured the mother
and TIED HER TUBES!! I can't even stand to see a commercial for that show.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:23 PM
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21. I think it's pathetic that this is even considered news.
It's only news because the kid brought home today is one of 19 children.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:33 PM
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23. I wish the family well and hope the baby has no long lasting health problems.
I realize that family size is a matter of choice, but I hope the Duggars decide that this will be the last child. The risk to mother and child is getting to be too great.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:43 PM
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25. I'm with you on this...
I hope that baby grows up without any long lasting health problems.

And I definitely hope there won't be any more babies. The risk is huge.

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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:51 PM
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29. The Duggars don't believe that they have a choice.
It's up to God. That's the reasoning they've cited for their continuing production of children so far. I think it would be a crisis of faith for them to believe that they can decide whether this is the last child for them.

I hope that this child has a good life free of serious health problems and that she and the others get to have their mother around until they grow up.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:04 PM
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38. I hope their God...
...sees fit to call an end to her fertility so she can enjoy her grandchildren.
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:37 PM
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24. Sigh. It is a vagina, madam . . .
. . . not a clown car.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:45 PM
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26. They believe in messages from God
Well I think the preeclampsia was a message. Time to stop popping out the kids. Both of them need to take in to account mother Michelle's health and make sure she survives to raise all those kids!

Otherwise best of luck to them and their 19th even if I think having 19 kids is weird and over the top!
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:49 PM
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28. I don't think the mom sees much of the littler ones...
The older girls do most of the heavy lifting in that house.

You know if they refelct the statistics, at least two of those kids will be gay. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when THAT comes to light.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:48 PM
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27. IIRC, didn't the wife nearly croak giving birth to number 19?
Maybe your god is trying to drop a hint here?
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:46 PM
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34. Yet more chances to carp that the optimal number of children is
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:50 PM
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36. The girls raise the kids so one daughter will be soltely responsible for raising a preemie
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:15 PM
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41. Inspite of myself I can't help but find them likable
I think they're completely nuts and I hate the crazy beliefs they live by but still couldn't stop myself from liking them as people.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:22 PM
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42. While I wish the baby well...
Their whole lifestyle thing really repulses me.

The women in that family are not treated as equals. The girls are required to dress, act, etc. a certain way. The boys are, as well, but you can tell that the girls are being raised to be subservient.

Yes, every article that I've read indicates that Jim and Michelle Duggar are self-sufficient financially. But how do we really know that? Who is paying the massive bill for all of the treatment that this baby required?

And while, sadly, it is their right to continue to breed, that doesn't make it a smart thing for them to do. Personally, I think they need to re-evaluate the emotional quality of life that their existing children have, whether or not the children have enough parental commitment since there are so many of them and only two parents, and whether or not the bible teaching that a man should cherish his wife just might, in this instance, require ole Jim Bob to keep it zipped for a while.

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