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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:41 AM
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And this is the party that the American people may support in larger numbers this fall!?
Let me see if I have this straight: in the last few days members of the GOP have savagely screwed the unemployed, protected the bankstas, trashed Thurgood Marshall, implied rape and incest is part of God's plan, defended BP, threatened to either end social security or screw over 20 million plus people who have paid into the system for at least 20 years by making them wait until age 70 to see their benefits, and screwed homeless veterans with children. That about it, or is there more?

www.dailykos.com

Of course most Americans don't know this because they have no time to listen to the news or read a paper or just plain don't want to. And the Dems are so politically inept that they cannot formulate a cohesive message which is repeated over and over so the uninformed voter finally hears it enough times to get it thru their heads.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:46 AM
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1. GOP's "popularity" is puffed up by the M$M
Remember how GWB's poll #'s kept falling and falling, yet they never dipped below 32%.

The toxic GOP has been steadily on the demise since Obama won, yet they are still "within victory margins."

I smell bullshit coming from the M$M. They are propping up the dead elephant and telling us it's still alive.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:51 AM
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5. +1 -- They tell us what they want us to believe.
Who ever controls your perception of reality controls you.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:52 AM
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6. MEDIA INFECTED BY THE RIGHT WING PROPAGANDISTS
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:07 AM
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10. I'm sure this is nothing new to you BUT
it is a shame that the republicans have gotten most of the public to believe that the media is liberal or as Palin the Wailin' puts it lamestream media. Those republicans try so so hard to make people believe this crap and they are succeeding.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:11 AM
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11. True, but their projections do affect a lot of ID10T's
There are too many who will follow simply because they heard it on the boob tube.

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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:47 AM
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2. No they won't
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:48 AM
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3. One of the other reasons people fall for it....
..is that there is no sustained, cohesive, and strongly spoken counter message from the democrats. The most anyone gets is a "Well, it's better than what the republicans would do!!". That doesn't exactly captivate or resonate with people to make them want to keep listening or paying attention.

Even on issues where the solidified democratic party line is one that is popular and would resonate with large numbers of people, the messaging and the voices being heard are nil.

And yes, I know the media is somewhat to blame. But the fact is that the media is also sensationalistic and they like bright, shiny things. Which right or wrong, the republicans give them. Everything that comes from our side just drips with focus group tested, cautious, playing-both-sides and covering-all-bases doublespeak and people can smell that type of BS a mile away.

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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:53 AM
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7. On the bright side, the GOP's been screwing up their messaging too.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 10:54 AM by backscatter712
Don't know if you watched Rachel last night, but she pointed out that Boehner fucked up big time by saying that he and his fellow Republicans were in favor of raising the age when you're eligible to collect Social Security to 70.

Not smart.

If you're a Rethug, then as Rachel said, you want to make the election this fall a referendum on Obama and the Democrats. Instead, Boehner fell into the trap of letting the Democrats define the election as a choice between Democratic positions and Republicans positions, which is a contest the Republicans will lose every time.

I hope the Dems are smart enough to capitalize on these GOP fuckups...
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:48 AM
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4. The problem for the Dems has always been articulating an easy message. But these issues are not
easy sound-bites either. All Rethugs have to do is go "stop the spending! Cut taxes!" and idiots across America listen. I blame the era of Reagan. We still have not gotten out from under that. I guess it takes time. I am 34 and I was a kid with Reagan. I don't think people my age and younger are as influenced by Reaganism. Hopefully.
I will add that our media is pitiful also.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:54 AM
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8. BINGO we have a winner
"the Dems are so politically inept" and Obama saying the he and Benanke agree the economy is strengthening is just another example of this ineptitude.

American confidence is kaput. There are 6 seekers for every job. Those remaining jobs are going to Brazil and India. Obama said he would end that and yet he stands up there with the CEO of IBM who is one of the biggest offenders of offshoring.

George Bush proved our military is not invincible and demonstrated it to our future enemies, emboldening them to challenge us. We lost in Iraq and we have lost Afghanistan, being there longer than World War II. If the Soviets couldn't win with 500,000 troops, how the hell do we win with a surge to 130,000.

Another demonstration of our incompetence was Katrina. New Orleans still isn't rebuilt and are the levies safe? No, the only result was that Dr. Ivor van Heerden of LSU has been fired for being right. And LSU fired him because they were being punished with no more federal money from the Corps of
Engineers. Gob bless America.

And now BP has demonstrated our great engineering and scientific incompetence. Going on 3 months and we have Obama eating lunch on the beach telling people to come on down. Yet people that go to the beach say it smells like a gas station.

We are in a mess and democrats, AND especially NOT the republicans, are providing no answers. But where is accountability? Where is leadership? All either of them do is sell out to big business for campaign contributions and we get continue to get screwed.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:12 AM
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12. I Was Talking With An Aquaintance Last Week In Washington DC......
we were there lobbying on the hill for some issues regarding our profession. Anyway - he is a self-avowed Tea Partyist. He was advocating replacing all the members of Congress - both House and Senate. Hates the Dems. Stuck up for the corporations. Bottom line - everything he said was actually shooting himself in the foot. He is an educated man and well respected among his peers - but very, very misinformed and tinged with a bit of being a racist. He hates Obama.

So - this is another element of the electorate that is out there that is spreading this hate and misinformation that we have to deal with. And it just kills me that there is so much fodder out there that the Repugs and Tea Partyists have said and done that the Dems could capitalize on and drive home to the people - and they just don't seem to be able to put out a strong and constant message that will resonate.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:12 PM
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17. I agree. A big part of our problem is Obama
He is so obsessed with getting one republican vote that no one is afraid of him. Joe Lieberman, no way. Ben Nelson, no way. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, no way. Hamid Karzai, no way. repugs, no way.

Dems of afraid of some phantom whatever the hell they are afraid of. Lead and the people will follow. We have no statesmen, no leaders, just political BSers.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:59 AM
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9. The public is too busy being bombarded by these ridiculous "SPIES AMONG US" stories to pay
attention... :mad: :crazy: :wtf: :spank: :grr: :nuke:
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:49 AM
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13. "because they have no time to listen to the news or read a paper"
I doubt either of those will do much good. The popular media is heavily slanted right wing. And news is often reported with little context, so it often reinforces previous held positions.
Plus the language of news stories is usually presented using anti-liberal slant. Just read a few AP headlines to see what I mean.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:56 AM
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14. we are also to blame on our side
because we don't support our own. The right controls the airwaves and we gripe about it but as we gripe Progressive sources are dying from lack of support by our own. That opens the door to lackluster people getting the Progressive stations and running them in a lackluster way but when people who are devoted to the real Progressive Causes that need the support try to do so, we turn our backs on them. How do we expect to get the truth out when we shut up our own so apathetically?
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:59 AM
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15. it's impossible to underestimate the average voter
don't mean to sound un-American though, sry! :patriot:
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:02 PM
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16. I'm so disgusted I can't even discuss parties or elections anymore
I'm just sticking to talking about issues that I care about.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:20 PM
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18. K & R
:thumbsup:
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lsewpershad Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:33 PM
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19. Very well said
This kind of stuff should be made into a political ad and saturate radio and TV.
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