A new way to get more votes, or decrease the number of votes for the neocons

[Cal33]

I am a liberal, and I don't mind being called one, even though neocons were using the
word as a pejorative. The neocons don't like being called a neocon, they prefer to be
called a Republican. And most of us fall for it - out of politeness, perhaps.

I call them neocons because they are not Republicans. They joined the Republican
Party some 40 years ago, worked to undermine the old Republican Party leadership from
the inside, and were successful in usurping their power, and threw them out.

The Republican Party no longer exists today. But many of those who vote Republican
are not even aware of the switch-over. The neocons are smart enough to keep on using
the Republican name, so as to continue getting their votes.

Many Republicans would not vote for the neocons today, if they only knew the truth.

Why don't we take advantage of this situation? At least, we can give it a good try!
Let's all call neocons by their true party name (both when talking and writing) and
do our best to spread the practice. In time, old Republicans will catch on, and when
they do, hopefully enough of them will stop voting for the neocons. Maybe it could
make a difference as early as November this year.

To know more about them, just google "Neo-conservatism." There are tons of articles.
It is an education in itself! You'll also be able to explain things, if old-time
Republicans were to ask you questions.

Every little bit counts! Will we all do it?

[LWolf]

1. Okay. What do we do about the neoliberals? nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. Which "our" party is jampacked with.

[LWolf]

4. Exactly. nt

[Cal33]

15. Mainly according to the Neocons, probably.

[Cal33]

23. I now understand you. But Obama is the one who jampacked

his administrastion with them - possibly for the purpose of trying to
win over the Neocons on a bipartisanship basis. If so, it has
back-fired - unless Obama has some special plan in mind. (I doubt
that he has any special plan. He was obsessed with the idea of
bipartisanship - probably still is).

[Cal33]

5. One topic at a time, if you please. nt

[LWolf]

6. It's hard to focus on neocons when neolibs are the

current perpetrators of catastrophe.

It's like planning to do battle with the army just ahead without taking into account the army flanking you.

[Cal33]

18. Name some prominent person whom you consider a neolib.

[LWolf]

19. Rahm Emmanuel, for one.

Most Republicans and those Democrats who support de-regulation and privatization are neoliberals.

[Cal33]

20. Yes, he is one of those I wish Obama had never employed..

I also think he could have had better people among his top Treasury members,
instead of taking on the left-over members from the Bush Administration,
Obama seems to be so obsessed with the bipartisan idea, that he bent over
backwards to accommodate the neocons. What a huge mistake! It appears that
Obama isn't about to replace them yet - not at this point.

Nothing would appease the neocons until they've kicked Obama out and replaced
him with one of their own. In the meantime, they are doing as much damage to
him in every conceivable way. They block him with obstructions, filibusers, and
one of their leaders in Congress ordered his representatives to vote "No" on
whatever Obama is trying to accomplish.

And these are supposed to be grown-up and responsible neocon leaders? Their basic
personality is like that of the small child. They are infantile! What are they
doing holding responsible positions in government?

[LWolf]

21. Geithner. Summers. Duncan. It's a long list. nt

[Cal33]

22. Okay, I see who you think are neolibs. IThey could be giving

giving deliberately false advice to Obama, trying to make sure that he fails.

[golddigger]

2. Or rig the machines like they did in SC

for Alvin Greene.

Edited to add: Like the Repukes did.

[Cal33]

10. I believe the neocons have yet to win ANY election honestly.

Too bad that so many of those who vote for them don't even know this.

[Cal33]

12. Could you have edited to add: Like the "Neocons" did?

[golddigger]

14. Sorry no. I stand by "Repukes."

[Cal33]

16. "Repukes" a descriptive and challenging, but accurate term. :o)

[Cal33]

24. It's been 10 years since Al Gore was running, and the

machines were being rigged. And the majority of states today are still using these
machines. Don't Democrats really care? Can you imagine how the Neocons would have
reacted if the situation had been reversed! They would have been made illegal
within 2 years and the manufacturers of those machines would have been behind bars!

You've got to give Neocons credit for their working and fighting hard. Deomcrats
are too lackadaisical! Maybe they deserve what's happened to them!

[Bitwit1234]

7. I'd call republicans CONservatives after all

AIN'T they all con artists?

[Cal33]

11. Yes, they are. A good play on words.

[howaboutme]

8. The thing about neocons

is that they are demonstrably and irrefutably a shrewd ideology that was somehow able to convince 300+ million sheep and the mainstream media that the USA should give lives and trillions in treasury to involve the USA in a "War on Terror", which included a two front war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was based totally upon events and false intelligence that were never adequately investigated nor transparent, and were not explained by an ethical and competent commission.

The outcome for America has been perfectly clear and very negative. Neocons much prefer the use of shrewdness rather than ethics, transparency, honesty and integrity.

[Cal33]

9. Yes, a high percentage of the neocon leadership is made up

of people with the disorder known as - "antisocial personality disorder."
These people can't help being the way they are. The environmental influences in
which they grew up have a lot to do with their problem, and perhaps
heredity might have played a role too. As such, they can't be be blamed, since they
had nothing to do with being the way they are. But neither should they be given the
opportunity to bring about harm and damage to others, which positions of power
definitely can enable them to do. Average citizens also have the right to be
protected from them.

Unfortunately, too many of them are already in these positions. It's up to us to
vote as many as possible out of their jobs for the sake of the whole nation.

[applegrove]

13. Yep. We haven't used the term neocon very often on this board since Obama got elected.

And it isn't as if Cheney has been keeping quiet throughout this period.

[Cal33]

17. Probably enough Democrats thought that they shouldn't

demonize the word as the neocons tried to demonize the word "liberal."
But I don't find "liberal" bad at all. And I don't intend to let
them change the meaning of words in the English language for me.
Also, as I've said, I use the word "neocon" to distinguish it
from "Republican." "Neocons" are not "Republicans." They
the word mainly to fool real Republicans into voting for them. The
Neocon Party is simply one big lie.