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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:10 AM
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This Modern World: Sensible liberalism in the age of Obama
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:13 AM
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1. Wow....
It's like he transcribed a typical DU: GD thread.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 06:46 PM
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434. fer sure
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:14 AM
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2. all the talking points are there. k&r
many of which have been seen here :rofl:
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:18 AM
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3. Does this guy post here?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:03 AM
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16. Maybe maybe not- but if one were drafting political cartoons
this would be an excellent source of material.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:18 AM
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4. Brilliant and right on. K&R
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:44 PM
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69. cue the inevitable flame parties every time TMW is posted ("he's a douche!! a hack! whaah!")
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 03:46 PM by nashville_brook
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 04:35 PM
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454. indeed
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:32 AM
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6. Tom crushes it again. n/t
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:35 AM
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7. No progressive president for YOU, Uhmerica.
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 07:35 AM by HughBeaumont
Really beeeg menu we have:

1. Re-elect corporations and whiskey-throttle capitalism as usual. Democrats only seem to be putting the brakes on and pacing rather than junking this demolition heap of an economic system altogether.
2. Put the party who caused (and would further exacerbate) this mess back in power.
3. Vote Green, which is what 90% of the voting public won't do.
4. Get off your asses and revolt against the Old Man Cabal that holds you all under their boot.

What do you think the American people are most likely going to do.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:27 PM
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131. I'll take door #4 Alex
:toast:
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:39 AM
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8. LOL - "Chuckles" the sensible woodchuck..
that is an excellent depiction of a DU centrist/corporate appologist
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:17 AM
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19. The joke is on you. Our political environment will never be the
utopia you dream of. Welcome to reality. You're welcome.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:51 AM
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26. Wooooooooooooossssshhhhhhh... and they say irony is dead
LOL, way to miss and prove the point of that strip at the same time.


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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:01 AM
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29. It's the "lost" seventh panel to this strip.
:rofl:
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:55 AM
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47. LOL - I didn't expect anyone to OUT themselves
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:15 PM
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51. +1
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:13 PM
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58. Oh, indeed. ROFL. nt
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:18 PM
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107. +1
n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:47 PM
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191. LOL
:rofl:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:59 AM
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263. Pfft
:rofl:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:29 AM
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319. LOL.
Wow.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:29 AM
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33. I see the "Master of Reality" panel needs to be added...
n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:48 AM
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39. Aww, who's a sensible woodchuck?
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:36 PM
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170. That is laugh out loud funny. I LOVE it!
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:29 PM
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215. Heh!
p.s. love your sig
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:59 AM
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49. I can HOPE - I didn't thank you, though
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:32 PM
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62. Thanks, Chuckles!
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:04 PM
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199. I like chuckles. He is a realist.
:)
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:42 PM
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235. Realism doesn't mean ALWAYS settling for half a loaf, or(as in the case of healthcare)just the heel
If Obama hadn't told the Obama movement to shut up and go away as soon as the election was over, the Congress WOULD have passed a non-castrated healthcare bill and a banking bill that didn't kiss Wall Street ass.

Why do you have no firm convictions?

And why do you assume that the left HAS to act like the country has a permanent right-wing majority? The polls have always shown strong public support for a lot of genuinely progressive ideas.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:47 PM
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72. wow
Send that cliche to the cartoonist - he missed that one.

"You will never have the utopia you want. Welcome to reality." ROFL!!!!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:23 PM
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128.  "You will never have the utopia you want. Welcome to reality."
I've had that said to me in 5 different forms about 50 times here. LOL!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:01 AM
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265. It's not utopia I want!
It's a pony.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:00 AM
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283. I won't settle for anything less..
than a utopian pony.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:23 AM
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284. That would be one nice pony!
:thumbsup:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:33 PM
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:59 PM
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413. Er...is the phrase "pony-shaped cookie" against the rules now?
I thought it was at least mildly amusing, but apparently the Gods Must Be Crazy.

See, this is what drives people crazy: Inconsistency and Opacity.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:49 PM
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120. Welcome to the reality that many disagree with that.
Thus, the 'toon. Enjoy!

:)
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:13 PM
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153. Illustrating Tom's cartoon for all to see! Thank you! n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:11 AM
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300. Not until one changes the economic environment.

Kill Capitalism.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:00 PM
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472. Yeayyyy. America will never be utopia. Yeayyy. the American dream died with Roosevelt.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 01:03 PM by No Elephants
Yeeaaayyy. the left will soon be annihilated, leaving only Right and Righter.

Yeah, you've got it, LD. the joke's on the left, not on the sensible center right.

Wake up.

clue: Anything right of center is a Republican.



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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-10 12:50 PM
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480. ;)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:24 PM
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484. I would LOVE utopia
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 10:26 PM by Skittles
but I would SETTLE for a freaking REAL DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:51 AM
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9. Ah, Chuckles, we know him well, DU....
Like a little cartoon poem.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:54 AM
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10. K&R. nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:06 AM
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11. Uh, let's not go there.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:17 AM
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12. Forest meet trees.
WOW! :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:46 AM
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13. Snicker
K&R
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-10 06:14 PM
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441. doodle
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 04:37 PM
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503. Scandalous! You doodled my snicker.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:52 AM
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14. Tom nailed DU's 'sensible liberals'!
Too funny.

I know a lot of chuckles.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:57 AM
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15. K & R for the sad truth
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:06 AM
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17. Just perfect. nt
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:15 AM
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18. I normally like this guy's comic strips, but this is painfully unoriginal.
It's like he cut and pasted talking points from this board.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:32 AM
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35. Talking points?
My heart-felt disappointment with Obama is "talking points"?

Where on my air-freight truck route were they delivered to me?

Let's see.... Republican presidents get every truly insane idea that pops into their freaky, cult-groupish minds passed into law without even a popular majority.

The last couple of Democratic presidents make Demo-noises but actually work to get freaky Republican ideas passed into law as well (or refuse to work against passage of them in order to be "sensible").

I noticed that stuff. Right there in my truck. All by myself.

But, apparently, to you, I am just a cog in a propaganda machine.

Sorry L Diamond, I have noticed these things. It's too late. I can't un-notice it all.

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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:03 PM
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125. Just speaking for myself, I would have had to be willfully oblivious not to have noticed.

We must keep voting for Change until government gets it right, or we run out of time. Oh yeah, there is a time limit once things get this screwed up, and there aren't 20 people in Washington who act like they get it.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:58 PM
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148. You got it...
.. and so many dumbasses are just fine with that.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:24 PM
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212. re-read what you just wrote
yes, you are a cog in a propaganda machine

"Let's see.... Republican presidents get every truly insane idea that pops into their freaky, cult-groupish minds passed into law without even a popular majority."

You really think that is true? It's not. It's propaganda.

"The last couple of Democratic presidents make Demo-noises but actually work to get freaky Republican ideas passed into law as well (or refuse to work against passage of them in order to be "sensible")."

More propaganda. First, because Clinton was not all bad, and second because Republicans had a congresional majority for most of his two terms. The really sickening thing is how so many supposed progressives here seem to be rooting for another Republican Congress in 2010, if not actively working to create one.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:47 PM
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238. Dude, other than Social Security, Bush never lost in Congress on anything.
And he ONLY lost on Social Security because of...wait for it...GRASSROOTS ORGANIZING FROM BELOW. The "pros" did nothing to stop Dubya on the theft of Social Security. And his whole time in office, he was never denied anything else.

So yes, Bush DID get at least NEARLY "every truly insane idea" in his little drunken head through Congress. And people like you defended every Dem that caved to him on everything. Never mind that none of the cave-ins ever turned out to be even good short-term strategy for Dems. If they had, giving Dubya everything he wanted on Iraq would NOT have led to Democrats doing the impossible and LOSING Congressional seats when they were the "out" party in an off-year election.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:01 AM
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264. that's not what Michael Moore said
check out Fahrenheit 911 at 7:13

"and for the next 8 months, it didn't get any better for George W. Bush. He couldn't get his judges appointed. He had trouble getting his legislation passed, and he lost Republican control in the Senate..."

For some reason his defeats or the fact that things were NOT getting passed did not make the news.

Further, I myself have not spent that much time defending "every Dem that caved to him on everything" like, for example, Joe Lieberman http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/19 What I have had to do, on a number of occasions here, was defend the Democratic party against the propaganda that "EVERY Dem caved to him on EVERYthing" when, in fact, thanks to Kucinich, a majority of House Dems voted against the Iraq war. There also was a last minute attempt by Byrd to derail the war, and the 2003 tax cuts were a) reduced from what Bush asked for (zero taxes on dividend income - to half taxes on dividend income, and Bush never asked for the expiration dates either) and still b) it only passed the Senate by a vote of 51-50.

As for the impossible. Perhaps you have forgotten that in November of 2001, just a year before the midterm elections, Bush, for some inexplicable reason, had a 90% approval rating. It used to be standard for 10% to do a role call on DU.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:05 AM
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266. I didn't say "Every Dem caved to him on every issue"
I said "Every Dem THAT caved to him on everything". Those two observations are NOT the same.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:24 AM
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273. I did not say that you did
However that comment has been made by others on DU, many times in the past. Or that ALMOST every Dem caved to him on every issue. Which I responded to here http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/51 . This anger at the Democratic Party for things that the Republican Party does with the help of a few conserva-dems some of whom I have been trying to defeat, like Boswell http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/51 and Lieberman http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/39
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:05 AM
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467. >>>>
"check out Fahrenheit 911 at 7:13

'and for the next 8 months, it didn't get any better for George W. Bush. He couldn't get his judges appointed. He had trouble getting his legislation passed, and he lost Republican control in the Senate...'"

For the record, what you quoted does not say that Bush could not get his legislation passed, or that he did not get his legislation passed. It says he had trouble getting his legislation passed. that means he did get it passed, but getting passed was not easy.

I don't know what Moore intended to convey because I am not a mind reader, but that is what his words mean.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #212
256. what?
If Bush didn't get what he wanted, what were we so worked up about for 8 years? Why did we so desperately need to get Democrats into power?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #256
267. first, it said "Republican Presidents"
plural. Remember Bush Sr? He wanted "no new taxes" Seriously, read his lips, he said "no new taxes". He didn't get what he wanted. Amd Reagan wanted Robert Bork to sit on the Supreme Court. That did not happen.

Secondly, just because Bush didn't get EVERY thing he wanted, does not mean he didn't get enough of the things he wanted to create a huge stinkin mess with just two rounds of tax cuts and two wars. That's quite enough to get worked up about, but it still does not mean he got EVERY thing he wanted.

In fact, check this out. Four of his vetoes were over-ridden, compared to only two for WJ Clinton, and Clinton vetoed the Republican Congress 37 times! I bet that would not have happened if Dole was President.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_pres...
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #267
468. .......
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 11:30 AM by No Elephants
"Seriously, read his lips, he said "no new taxes". He didn't get what he wanted."


Not exactly correct. Bush did say "Read my lips, no new taxes." However, never vetoed the bill, as he could have. Instead, he compromised with Democrats on a bill that technically created no new taxes, probably hoping he could save face on a technicality. And signed it.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #212
360. "The solitary warrior defends a mountain of 'dry powder', battling the Godless commies
as they attempt to overthrow reason with their subversive cartoon characters."
:rofl:

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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #18
63. Yeah...yours!
LOL
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #18
73. That is the point.
whooshh....
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #18
140. nah... you are just painfully biased
not very objective
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #18
155. "It's like he cut and pasted talking points from this board. "
Indeed. That's what makes it so brilliant. See it's not just at DU that the world is getting tired of the apologists same old tired lines and same old tired tricks.

What so many thought was an internal forum problem is widespread enough to have made a comic strip.

"It's like he cut and pasted talking points from this board." Indeed. It's a brilliant comic strip.


Under the bus with Tom now.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #155
198. I was talking about all of the people that constantly
bitch about Obama's policies. Those people that will never ever be satisfied. Thank God they are the fringe of our party and a very small and insignificant minority. Complain away. You aren't going anywhere. The democratic party owns you. Oh, wait. There are other options. You can help the republicans by sitting at home or voting 3rd party. Gotta uphold those principles!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #198
200. "The democratic party owns you."
Another great campaign slogan only second to "You can be replaced."

:rofl:
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:12 PM
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206. Laugh away. America will never be the haven you envision.
Obama is as close as you are going to get, and he is driving you out of your minds with his policies. :rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #206
208. Did you forget the evil guffaw?
LOL

:rofl:
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #206
219. wow
That is just amazing.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #219
220. Ain't it though? But it explains a lot.
And it made me chuckle. ;)
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #206
221. Then it sucks and so does everyone that accepts that idiotic notion.
I would expect, and get, more imagination for a better future from my beloved Terrier.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #206
232. When did you decide to just give in, btw?
When did you abandon your political self-respect?

And really, if you have that little respect for progressives, why don't you just BECOME a Republican and be done with it?

I can't believe you actually posted a line like "The Democratic Party owns you".

What does that even MEAN?

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #232
469. "What does that even MEAN?"
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 12:50 PM by No Elephants
What his post says. the conventional "wisdom" is that center right politicians do not have to pay any attention to anyone left of center right because "the left has no place else to go," meaning the left will vote Democratic, come hell or high water. We'll never vote Republican (unless it's DNC approved Crist, I guess).

Further, we won't stay home or vote third party because we won't risk helping the Republicans by so doing. (Florida 2000: Be afraid. Be very afraid. Booga. Booga.)

So, Democratic politians who want to win elections should therefore keep going right, in the hope of picking up a right leaning Independent vote or two. Until it won't much matter who wins or loses an election, I guess, because the two major parties will have become the Republicans with (R)s after their names and the Republicans with (D)s after their names, whom I dubbed the Republicrats and the Demlicans. (Liquid Diamond may consider that a victory--totally defeating the left. Guesss/he forgets that also means that the Republicans will have totally defeated the Democrats, if only by absorbing them, Borglike. It's Democratic legislations and principles they fear, not a (D) behind a name, after all.)


And, that "reasoning" (we own you), of course, is 100% correct, and always will be. Just ask U.S. Senator Martha Coakley about disaffected liberal Democrats turning out to vote for her, especially in Boston, THE most liberal part of the most liberal state. (everyone asked why she conceded so soon, before most votes were counted. Her campaign explained: "She knew it was over as soon as she saw the Boston turnout numbers.")

ETA: The meme has been so totally believed that the Rahm twerp has no compunction about publicly calling liberals "retards"--and then apologizing only to Palin, and persisting in that glaring omission, even after it was pointed out from all around the planet. Another meme, btw: Independents (across the nation) lean right.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #206
236. What a perfect illustration of the problem you are.
Keep talking. The more you do, the more people will realize the 2-party system needs to be destroyed.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #206
260. You really find that funny?
You enjoy the idea that we'll never have a progressive president?

Who are you?
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #206
369. Wow. What HOPE...you just exposed so much hypocrisy, it's a little frightening actually
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #200
213. I can't decide between this one and "Retards" -- they're both so compelling. nt
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #200
246. yes
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 12:32 AM by William Z. Foster
We had better get busy making the posters for the midterm elections.

"Complain away. You aren't going anywhere."

"Vote Democratic - you can be replaced."

"You are very small and insignificant to us."

"The Democratic party owns you. Get out and vote if you know what is good for you."

"Vote Democratic or the woodchuck dies."
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #246
248. more campaign slogans
"You will never have the utopia you want. Welcome to reality."

"This is as good as it gets."
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #246
322. No kidding.
This is becoming surreal - my vote is demanded, yet I'm disposable and insignificant. :crazy:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #322
358. With no power comes great responsibility.
Didn't you know that? :silly:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #200
473. Which, in turn, was topped by a Republican politician calling liberals "retards,"
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 01:28 PM by No Elephants
then apologizing only to Palin.




Oh, wait. that was the second most powerful Democrat, hand-picked, and still employed, by THE most powerful Democrat.









never mind




I wonder how many times a worm will tolerate being stepped on before it will turn?

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #198
209. "The democratic party owns you." So, I'm chattel? Thanks for making that clear.
Funny thing, as a lifelong Democrat, I used to think that *we* "owned" the Democratic party -- you know, the "Party of the People" and all that.

But, apparently I've had it wrong all these years. Since they own us, obviously our only function is to hear and obey, right?

sw
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #209
223. can you believe it?
I think the strategy all along has been to hang on to the left, by lying to us, as long as they still needed us while they moved the party to the right. At some point we would be expendable and the truth would start being revealed. Now they are showing us all of their cards. Right wing programs and policies are being openly advocated. No attempt is being made to disguise the agenda. No attempts at persuasion or logical arguments are happening anymore, they are just going right for the jugular. We have entered a new phase.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #223
229. One thing I've noticed, these are often the same people who are inordinately fond of calling
people "stupid". They love the idea of an elite group of "smart" people ruling from on high. They identify with heirarchal rule and authoritarianism.

People are NOT stupid. They actually DO know when they're getting fucked over. They may not understand the mechanisms behind that fucking over -- because they've rarely, if ever, been exposed to anything approaching the truth of how those mechanisms have been put in place and by whom -- but they do know they're being lied to and exploited.

And for those who want to keep the curtain pulled tight, who want to protect the powerful by insisting on "realism" and "pragmatism", there is no greater fear than seeing people waking up and refusing to go along with the program.

The "owned" rebelling against the "owners" -- it's intolerable!

sw
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #229
310. While we're at it, let's not let "pragmatism" or "realism" get hijacked


"Pragmatism" is measured by what actually *works,* not that which can be readily achieved, or that which is politically expedient, regardless of whether and to what degree it works. It's a good goal, properly utilized.

"Realism" is the correspondence of belief to an objective existence. Or something like that. Again, it shouldn't be a rationale for compromising or abandoning the good, or the "pragmatic." Particularly in politics, just because something "is" doesn't mean it's ideal, or correct, or even reflectiv of "reality."

What we're really talking about here is whether responsible political action comprises picking a group or a leader, and giving unquestioning support vs. an ongoing process of critique and critical thinking.

We know where Chuckles stands. :)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #310
513. "Pragmatism is what actually works, not that can be readily achieved or politically expedient."
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 07:20 PM by Leopolds Ghost
Excellent observation.

And yes, centrism as understood today flows from a technocratic elitism, a love of authoritarianism and an imagination that their education and high marks from employers/clients makes them vicariously part of the ruling elite.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #229
320. +1000 nt
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #229
410. +1 for "People are NOT stupid."
Sure, people fall for stupid RW memes, but that's often because the RW appeals to their sense of hurt and outrage.

The Palins and the Becks of the world would be much poorer without a populace that feels disenfranchised, ignored, and angry.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #223
302. It sure seems that way...
at least they are starting to be honest with us, if there is a silver lining. The pretenses have worn out their welcome in the corporatist agenda, the revelation that most Americans don't give a shit and aren't really paying attention and the "media" will not out them has had a sobering affect on this whole charade..
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #223
511. "No attempts at persuasion or logical arguments are happening anymore, We have entered a new phase."
At some point we would be expendable -- dam straight. Until then, inculcate them like soldiers. "You're not paid to think!"
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #198
211. If you really believe they're a "small, insignificant minority"...
why are you so worked up? Will that little mantra go away the moment Democrats lose seats because of all this sensible woodchucking?

Somehow, I doubt it. If the past is any indication, the Chuckles of the party will respond by saying that these loses prove that liberals cannot be counted on and should therefore be ignored.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #211
224. exactly
"If they're a 'small, insignificant minority' why are you so worked up?"

That is an excellent question. Could it be that if what we are saying started to get to the general public their arguments would be demolished and would crumble? I think the cartoon that drove people over the edge is just the beginning of this - our message getting to the public - and those wishing to control the message and drive the party to the right greatly fear that. They know that on a level playing field they would not stand a chance. While their arguments might harass and intimidate people within activist circles, they do not stand a chance out there in the larger world.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #211
225. The Chuckles types remind me of book that was out a few years ago about coping with a teenager
The title was somthing like "I hate you, I wish you were dead, but first would you drive me to the mall?"

Chuckles could write a book called "We hate you, STFU & go away - but first vote for us in November"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #225
230. I knew the shtick was very familiar!
lol
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #225
323. LoL
:hi: dfl
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #198
227. Admit it LD, Tom asked you to come here and make his cartoon even more hilarious
You can't possibly be for real though I suspect you are.

Keep it coming so we can give Tom more material. He forgot to add the bit about wanting a pony and the accusations of racism. Please keep the material coming!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #198
253. Am I the only Mother that taught their children.."NO ONE OWNS YOU"?
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 12:57 AM by flyarm
perhaps your mother didn't teach you that..or If she did , you ignored her ..or you sat out history in school..here is a refresher...

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

We the people own the parties of our politicians/employees..we are their employers..we hire them and we can fire them..each and every one of them.

All the childish slogans in the world will never allow me to be owned by anyone!

Got that..and you, nor anyone else will intimidate me..or play off your foolish slogans.. into thinking other wise.

You dear, need a little talk with your mom..or you need to open a history book!

Start at the Reagan revolution..see how Dem's were owned by the Democratic party then..and see what the foolish kind of thinking you are playing with, and arrogant thinking such as yours did to this nation.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #198
254. Only one thing left for you to do:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:25 AM
Response to Reply #198
286. OK, who's playing the joke here?
You can't be for real.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #198
328. Are you selling shovels?

Great sales pitch, I'll take a dozen.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #198
339. Hmmmmm....
Why don't you come out from under your hidden profile? It might be nice to know more about you.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #198
359. Speak for your damn self.
NO ONE owns me. That would be the difference between those who make their decisions based on principle and those who do not. And it's your self defeating attitude that allows the party to continue its rightward push because apparently you are under the impression that a slight rightward push isn't as bad as a staunch rightward push. Meanwhile the push is still to the right and you're so deluded you think it's going left.

There's a word for such misfires in logic but I shan't bother since it'll get my post deleted.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #198
392. "The democratic party owns you" -- no, actually, it doesn't
And, I want to give you an A+ -- I think you hit ALL the "poutrage" cliches! Oh wait, you didn't use poutrage. B+.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #198
398. Your attitude is the problem, not the solution.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #198
409. I've never seen anyone lose at the internet.
But your performance in this thread is approaching legendary status.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #198
470. Clue: Everyone who responded knew exactly what you meant.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #198
508. "Complain away. You aren't going anywhere. The democratic party owns you!" -- poster on this thread!
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 07:05 PM by Leopolds Ghost
"bitch about Obama's policies. Those people that will never ever be satisfied. Thank God they are the fringe of our party and a very small and insignificant minority. Complain away. You aren't going anywhere. The democratic party owns you. Oh, wait. There are other options. You can help the republicans by sitting at home or voting 3rd party. Gotta uphold those principles!"

<VBG> I think you are the winner for most indicative of the mentality Tom Tomorrow is opposed to!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #18
178. The Art of Cut & Paste
So what if he did. He got his point across,... well, to most of us anyway....


He is ABOUT cut and paste. It's even in his visual style. He wields it like a broad sword!


Here are my favorite cartoons of his:



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #18
190. Skinner should sue this guy.
:)
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #18
250. Most people think I'm weird so it doesn't mean anything that I agree with you.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:50 AM
Response to Reply #18
379. yes, it is. that's why it's funny.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:18 AM
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20. Pragmatism in the defense of corporatism is no vice!
Oh, yeah. That guy got a pizza. I almost forgot.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:21 AM
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21. K & R
Good stuff.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:23 AM
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22. He must read DU. n/t
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:28 AM
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23.  Kick!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:49 AM
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25. We've got our share of "sensible liberals" around here. K&R
"The Fascists will shoot you.
The conservatives will applaud the Fascists.
The moderates will watch the executions on TV.
The Liberals will cry over your grave and feel guilty for turning you in to the Fascists."

SDS saying
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:54 AM
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27. Tom Tomorrow obviously reads DU.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #27
42. agreed...some of those panels had to be lifted from some posts here
maybe TT posts here as well...
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #42
231. not from here necessarily
but originated somewhere for moles to duplicate over and over.

*disgusted
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:28 AM
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288. Moles?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #27
96. I don't think this is about DU....just imagine how much pressure Progressives...
in the house and senate must be under.
They are being pounded by the "85%"
(like to see those stats) "Pragmatic"
group of dem voters.

If your House Member is on this list,
PLEASE send them some love and some
money and some back-up. They can actually
smell Rahm's breath on their necks:

Caucus Member List
Wednesday June 02, 2010

Co-Chairs
Hon. Ral M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

Vice Chairs
Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
Hon. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)

Senate Members
Hon. Roland Burris (IL)
Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)
Hon. Tom Udall (NM)

House Members
Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Hon. Earl Blumenauer (OR-03)
Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
Hon. Andr Carson (IN-07)
Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
Hon. Judy Chu (CA-32)
Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
Hon. William Lacy Clay (MO-01)
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
Hon. Alcee Hastings (FL-23)
Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
Hon. Jim Moran (VA-08)
Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
Hon. Frank Pallone (NJ-06)
Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
Hon. Jared Polis (CO-02)
Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
Hon. Linda Snchez (CA-39)
Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
Hon. Jos Serrano (NY-16)
Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #27
156. It's all over the net. On any given day, Organizing for America
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 08:19 PM by Catherina
uses the same talking points all over the net. If it weren't for the format, I wouldn't be able to tell DU and KOS apart. American Prospect, Common Dreams, you name it, they're there with the same old nonsense.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #156
352. I only read one political site.
I guess it doesn't surprise me. Where does it start?
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:00 AM
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28. ChucklesUnderground
LOL! :rofl:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:02 AM
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30. Oh damn.
I think Chuckles has a lot of friends here. :popcorn:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:16 AM
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31. I might just have a use for this in the future, it describes so many people around here so well.
Sensible liberals, yep.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:00 AM
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41. +1 (n/t)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:21 AM
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32. Oh Noes!
Must alert on Tom Tomorrow.
He's ruining DU for all the "Pragmatists".
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:cry:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:30 AM
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34. Ouch! n/t
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:34 AM
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36. OH NOES!! THAR BE HEADS EXPLODING NOW, MATEY!!
K&R, and Tom Tomorrow...I wanna BEAR YOUR CHILDREN!!! HA!!!

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:35 AM
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37. DU needs a Chuckles avatar
we have a few sensible woodchucks that might like it.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:56 AM
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40. I live to serve.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:42 AM
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46. Beautiful! n/t
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 12:04 PM
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50. LMAO!!!
I just might have to use that, thanx
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:04 PM
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56. Chuckles!
:rofl:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:22 PM
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108. Thanks!
My new avatar.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:28 AM
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289. I've never changed my avatar since joining in 2002.
But for now, just call me Chuckles.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:14 AM
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329. Thank you!
Saved and uploaded! :hi:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:21 PM
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349. OK, since it was such a success, I feel compelled to join my own bandwagon.
<--- So there you have it.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:38 PM
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362. Another thank you. n/t
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:00 AM
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381. danke! [n/t]
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 02:38 PM
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430. Thank You !!!
:yourock:

:hi:
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:36 AM
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38. PRAGMATISM is the most important PROGRESSIVE VALUE!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:07 AM
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43. LOL I think we have a winner for Chuckles.
It is not pragmatism to actively promote the enemy's agenda.

Oh, and pragmatism is not a value. It is the abdication of values.

While reality dictates that pragmatism not be overlooked as a tool to move forward, now is not the time for it. The founders were pragmatic in allowing slavery to continue. In doing so, they just kicked the can down the road in order to gain a Union. Were they right to do so? Who knows. But, I do know that the war that eventually ensued was far worse than what may have happened if they hadn't.

And, it was continued advocacy in the face of that pragmatic decision that eventually ended slavery in America.

I much prefer advocacy over pragmatism. Pragmatism never changes anything.

IMHO

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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:36 PM
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54. ha! in '09 I literally had one Loyalist say that the Compromise of 1850
was caused by "partisanSHIT" and we thus had to embrace WH bipartisanship (Gates, McChrystal, Petraeus, Geithner, and down with Dean and Sheehan)

of course, Manichean partisanship is as much a part of their arsenal as National Unity--the party becomes "us," and Dem conservatism is excused since "they're the only party to pass liberal laws." well, guess what, the GOP FREED THE SLAVES. of course, to rebut that point they'd have to shift from vacuous labels to focus on the policies--and that's the last thing they want!
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:29 PM
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165. The parties in the nineteenth century were the reverse of what they are now.
Lincoln was the first Republican president.  
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #165
174. Lincoln was the first Republican president.
The "Radical Republicans".... not the GOP.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #165
237. 1850
There was no Republican party in 1850.

The agreement - a set of five bills - was negotiated between the Whigs and the Democrats.

1. California was entered as a free state.

2. New Mexico and Utah were each allowed to use popular sovereignty to decide the issue of slavery. In other words, the people would pick whether the states would be free or slave.

3. The Republic of Texas gave up lands that it claimed in present day New Mexico and received $10 million to pay its debt to Mexico.

4. The slave trade was abolished in the District of Columbia.

5. The Fugitive Slave Act made any federal official who did not arrest a runaway slave liable to pay a fine. This was the most controversial part of the Compromise of 1850 and caused many abolitionists to increase their efforts against slavery.

Of all the bills that made up the Compromise of 1850, the Fugitive Slave Act was the most controversial. It required citizens to assist in the recovery of fugitive slaves. It denied a fugitive's right to a jury trial. (Cases would instead be handled by special commissioners -- commissioners who would be paid $5 if an alleged fugitive were released and $10 if he or she were sent away with the claimant.) The act called for changes in filing for a claim, making the process easier for slave owners. Also, according to the act, there would be more federal officials responsible for enforcing the law.

For slaves attempting to build lives in the North, the new law was disaster. Many left their homes and fled to Canada. During the next ten years, an estimated 20,000 blacks moved to the neighboring country. For Harriet Jacobs, a fugitive living in New York, passage of the law was "the beginning of a reign of terror to the colored population." She stayed put, even after learning that slave catchers were hired to track her down. Anthony Burns, a fugitive living in Boston, was one of many who were captured and returned to slavery. Free blacks, too, were captured and sent to the South. With no legal right to plead their cases, they were completely defenseless.

Passage of the Fugitive Slave Act made abolitionists all the more resolved to put an end to slavery. The Underground Railroad became more active, reaching its peak between 1850 and 1860. The act also brought the subject of slavery before the nation. Many who had previously been ambivalent about slavery now took a definitive stance against the institution.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2951.html
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:42 AM
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258. wow! thanks!
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 01:42 AM by earcandle
Some pyschic told me I was one of the members of The
Underground Railroad, helping blacks to escape slavery.

Who knows about these kinds of musings?  I probably was.  
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:17 PM
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347. That's OK. "Pragmatism" isn't particularly pragmatic.
Throwing away barganing chips, shushing your activist wing instead of using them to play good cop/bad cop, giving someone who consistently acted against your own party all his congressional privileges and chairmanships without having some "insurance" that he'll go along with your major initiatives, not "painting black hats" on an opposition that's a veritable black hat factory...
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:15 AM
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245. LOL.
Indeed, indeed. :)
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:09 AM
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44. LOLOLOL!!!!
welcome to the "dead to me" list, Tom. :)
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:48 PM
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67. Barbital?


I'm not sure what it means...
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:13 AM
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45. Right on the money!
I loves me some TT :)
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:57 AM
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48. Ha!
Very funny! LOL
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:16 PM
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52. K&R
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xocet Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:23 PM
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53. It is good to see this cartoon: K&R....
Not too long ago, I started a thread with a similar statement in General Discussion: Presidency (www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=vi... ), was indirectly accused of plagiarism, and was shown a palpable level of disdain - even the invisible displeasure factor manifested itself in a subzero recommendation number.

So, as I mentioned, it is good to see this cartoon!
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:59 AM
Response to Reply #53
384. The posse all showed up on that one
And sang the usual verses! LOL
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 01:49 PM
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55. HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!
:rofl: NAILED 'em to da wall!!
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:09 PM
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57. Hammer. Nail. K&R
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:15 PM
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59. "La La La La I can't heaarrrr yoooouuuu?"
Best imitation of the SL's here on DU.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:15 PM
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60. "uh, let's not go there." lol. eom
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:31 PM
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61. Tom Tomorrow must read DU
There's no other way to explain how he's managed to capture all of the apologists' logical fallacies in one strip.

K/R
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:42 PM
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66. Occasionally the author shows a glimpse
of our very own "Get a brain, morans!" Joe Blow. I do believe he reads DU.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:33 PM
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64. Ahh, pragmatic liberals.
Or liberal pragmatists.
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 02:36 PM
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65. K&R
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:21 PM
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68. Laughing so hard I forgot to recommend.
There!
All fixed now.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:44 PM
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70. excellent
Did he ever nail it.

That comic strip describes perfectly what happens on every thread here.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:45 PM
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71. Nice Liberal-Bashing Thread
Let's demonize most of the party (85%+) who support Obama, his policies and his Presidency.

I can't say it any better than this commenter at Salon.com: http://letters.salon.com/ent/comics/this_modern_world/2...

It must be nice...

...to be able to pull out old Gush/Bore gags that mock "sensible liberals" and still get paid for it. And it must be hard for you, Tom, to criticize the president, because simply no one from the left is criticizing him, and people who do so are thrown in gulags or something. You're so brave!

Honestly, this feels like Clinton '94 and Gore '00 all over again, where normally smart liberals got pissed off at some necessary compromises and pulled their support for the Democrats. Has that worked before? Have you ever thought that the president, or other Democrats, don't take the left seriously because they know that the left will turn their backs the second the president or congress has to compromise? Because that's what's happened every time Democrats have been in power during my lifetime. We're our own worst enemy. You want political power, Tom-stop patting yourself on the back for making tired criticisms of "sensible liberals" and learn how to persuade people who don't agree with you.

Also, it won't be Palin in 2012--it will be Tim Pawlenty, or Bob McDonnell (VA governor), or some other Republican who, like GW Bush, can tack center for a national election. This will happen because the left flank will lose enough votes voting for Nader or some other pipe dream (or not voting at all), and some "moderates" will fall for the "sensible republican." Take politics seriously Tom-it sucks, but oversimplifying problems doesn't help anyone.


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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #71
76. Yawn...
:boring:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. Because you know I'm right. That's the typical response
when you can't refute something.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. No I obviously think TT is right. (nt)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:45 PM
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84. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #84
86. Only some dems man. I don't see them all as the same entity. (nt)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #86
94. Yes, I know... the 85% that don't agree with you.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #94
126. Hell, 85% don't even agree with the Democratic Platform.
I get a kick out of those who demand party loyalty from everyone but elected officials from the party. I cannot bring to mind one attack on a Democratic officeholder, for actions consistent with the most recent platform. What we need is loyalty to the parties principles starting with the President, and working down.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:27 AM
Response to Reply #126
287. The money shot:

"I get a kick out of those who demand party loyalty from everyone but elected officials from the party."

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #287
404. +1
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #94
130. that is simply false
You cannot possibly know this.





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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #94
160. this guy agrees with you!
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 08:40 PM by nashville_brook
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #160
162. That woodchuck is a STAiN on this forum!
... And on the 7th fairway. Bad woodchuck!

Bad!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #160
255. LOL..you nailed it!! eom
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #94
204. 85% huh? Just where are they all hiding?
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #81
109. I think TT is right too
we're just supposed to fall in line like good little liberal soldiers for the centrist Dems who screw us over and over again? oh sure we get some crumbs but be better dare not try and get REAL change or anything like that. you know like ending wars, providing real universal health care, holding the Repubs like Bush and Cheney responsible for just one of their crimes JUST ONE TIME - really, not even an investigation, more like a cover-up you say? yeah that's real OUT THERE liberal shit huh? :(
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #77
173. You are not right..
.... and neither is the moron that wrote that article.

Just because your standards of performance are miniscule doesn't mean the rest of ours are.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #71
82. that is false
So, under the bus with TT then? LOL.

First of all, of course a large percentage of Democrats would support a Democratic administration. 85% is not so hot, by the way, and that is the only category that the numbers are any good at all. The approval ratings from the general public are flat and falling, maybe the worst for any Democratic party administration in modern times.

Nevertheless, there is no way that the people being skewered in the cartoon are the same people as that 85% number you cite. I think it may be 10% whom he is talking about.

It is also false to claim that objecting to the Democratic party, or anyone else, moving to the right somehow magically helps the right.

We have a relatively small, but influential number of people saying that "we favor (insert left wing position) but we must face reality and support (insert right wing position.) This is never going to fly with the general public, is no longer being accepted by most people.

Moving to the right helps the right. Moving to the left does not help the right. Period.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. Did I say that? No.
And yes, this thread has become a thread that bashes Democrats. And yes 85% of them do support Obama.

I'm not objecting to the cartoon. I'm objecting to the Dem-bashers in this thread, most of the responders who can't help but reveal their own contempt for Democrats. One of them even says "vote green" a clear rule violation. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #83
112. I've been a Democrat for 50 years
and I'm not the one being bashed.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #83
189. "this thread has become a thread that bashes Democrats"
I'm a Democrat and this thread makes me want to whistle zippity doo dah.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #83
214. Support does not mean one is prevented
from asking questions, wanting better and offering honest criticism.

You can be in the 85% that support Obama and still be critical of some of his policy decisions.

This cartoon points to those who refuse ALL criticisms and in the process denigrate liberals.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #83
270. Only 'some' Democrats are
being bashed.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #71
87. lol And why does Tom think Obama doesn't use the bully pulpit?
On health care he made a major speech to a joint session of Congress, made it the focus of the state of the union (which is when the momentum turned in favor of passage) and did so many TV shows and town halls that he was being accused of over-exposure. What else does Tom think using the bully pulpit is?

I don't think too many liberals have a problem with fair criticism of Obama. Maybe the problem isn't that Tom and so many others are brave martyrs being crucified for criticizing Obama. Maybe the problem is that many of their arguments are weak bullshit and they would rather sling mud at others than admit it.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #87
164. LOL, this thread is like a honeypot for the very same people who the strip is about
illustrating one post at a time exactly the point the author of the comic was making.


I don't think what is more brilliant the fact that some of you are unwillingly proving the point, or that you are missing the joke is on them.


LOL, carry on...
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #164
305. And you proved mine.
Instead of responding to my point about a weakness in the cartoon you're just insulting me instead. That pretty well confirms what I wrote, doesn't it?
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #305
340. fraudulent handle and avatar, fer sure man, ur a lefty! nt
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #340
342. Yes, I'm a lefty who understands that
stretching the truth to make your case doesn't help progressive causes. Neither does ignoring and dismissing the progressive accomplishments of a President who's more liberal than any we've had in at least 30 years. We need to point out when the President is wrong but that's only half a strategy.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #342
389. Give me a break, Chad.
Nobody buys this crap. :rofl:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #389
456. +100000!
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #164
401. Hell yes, it is.
And it's unintentionally HILARIOUS, isn't it? :D

But wave a red cape at a bull, and this is what you get.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #87
234. Dude, you'd have told the Bolivian army where Che was hiding.
You're NO "Radical Activist".

Actual radical activists don't spend all their time attacking people from the Right.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #234
303. You've noticed that, too, eh? n/t
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #234
309. And you proved my point by not responding.
You offer no counter argument to my point that Obama actually has used the bully pulpit. Instead of admitting that there's a glaring weakness in the cartoon you're attacking my ideology.
I just wrote: "Maybe the problem isn't that Tom and so many others are brave martyrs being crucified for criticizing Obama. Maybe the problem is that many of their arguments are weak bullshit and they would rather sling mud at others than admit it."

You just provided the perfect example. I'm a radical with enough skepticism to not accept every word by any pundit (left or right) without question.

Seriously, the idea that Obama hasn't been out there using the bully pulpit is delusional. Living in the real world and using critical thinking skills doesn't make me less liberal.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #234
321. Quite Orwellian, yes?
Radically fighting for the status quo and rights of the ruling class.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #321
343. I'm sure its possible to live in the real world
without fighting for the ruling class and still admit that Obama does use the bully pulpit. It's a matter of honesty. The assumption that anyone who doesn't unquestionably accept every criticism against Obama must be for the status quo is the kind of knee-jerk insult that makes discussion on DU nearly impossible.

There's no rule that says asking for more requires demeaning the efforts of those who got us this far.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #343
357. This is what's commonly known as a difference of opinion & I don't see either of us giving in.
The perspective of those of us who have seen our wages decline and the demands on our time to earn the declining wages double over 30 years is somewhat different as to 'what got us this far,' and what direction we are going.

Your mileage, quite obviously, varies.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:23 AM
Response to Reply #87
271. LMAO! Maybe. nt
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #87
516. He used the bully pulpit to advocate an extremely RW HCR bill, just like Harry Reid did with FISA.
Priorities, man. If you (like many elected officials) oppose liberal aims, you're NOT gonna use the bully pulpit to advance those aims, only to advance the goals YOU support.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #71
89. well at least all of them are collected in this one thread.
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 05:00 PM by Whisp
I will keep this bookmarked.

It's a sad day.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #89
192. You do that.
:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:53 PM
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #71
111. You misunderstand the cartoon. It is conservative bashing.
It is standing with liberals.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:36 PM
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #71
139. "necessary compromises"? Is that like Obama's "necessary" war?
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #71
141. Thumbs up!
:thumbsup:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #71
210. Dear, it's not Liberals that TT is criticizing
it's liberal bashing DLCers that "Chuckles" embodies.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #71
252. one has to wonder where the realism is..perspective is lost.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:30 AM
Response to Reply #71
290. You mean conservative bashing.
And it's really, really funny!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #71
363. False premise, Democrat != liberal. n/t
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #71
399. "Demonize?" Really?
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Jayendra Sandeep Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #71
471. It is actually a pro-liberal cartoon
It targets those centrists who constantly pick on people who are liberal rather than Centrist.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 03:54 PM
Response to Original message
74. Recommended. n/t
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:09 PM
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75. He contradicts himself in panel 4
He wants Obama to emulate Bush's dictatorial style, and as panel 6 correctly asserts, he is already emulating Bush's dictatorial policies. The double standard he mocks in the mini-panel beneath #6 is turned on itself in panel 4. He wants Obama to be a left-wing version of Bush - which means that the "sensible woodchuck" may have a point there in mocking of magic wand waving he accuses the far left of seeking.

Two wrongs don't make a right. As the Rude Pundit correctly pointed out just the other day, Obama is attempting to restore a balance of power that was lacking under Bush, being that the Democrats in Congress acquiesced to Bush so easily. So the major (but not only) source of frustration from those of us on the far left shouldn't be that Obama isn't being dictatorial in Bush's style, it should be that the Democratic majority in Congress isn't flexing its muscle.

We don't need Obama to be a left-wing version of Bush. We need Obama to be a left-wing version of Obama.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #75
79. Not really. "Bully pulpit" is Teddy Roosevelt. Bush's style
of "getting what he wanted" had more to do with public deception and legal fictions. Thus, Mr. Tomorrow has successfully critiqued Mr. Obama for failing to fight publicly for his campaigned-on policies, while also noting that Obama has not fully rejected Bush-era notions of the "unitary executive," all without suggesting that Obama actually become more dictatorial or less ethical.

Brilliant piece of rhetoric, really. And effective because it rings so true.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. It explicitly says Bush
Saying Obama should be more like Bush. But then later criticizes him for being like Bush.

Yes, this is nothing more than applying a double standard using Bush as the standard.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #80
85. He's not saying anything of the kind
he's simply dispelling the notion that a new president doesn't have the clout to push his agenda early. He's not saying be more like bush, he's saying "it's only been 1+ year" is a bogus excuse.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #85
274. You are correct and #80 is
completely wrong.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #80
90. You hit the nail on the head - that's *precisely* what he's doing.
Don't get me wrong, I like TT and always get a chuckle out of his work. But you are 100% correct that he is contradicting himself here, and applying an obvious double standard.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #80
91. Bush had his people behind him.
Obama has to defend himself from his own.

thats the big fucking difference between the two.
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #80
95. He's not saying Obama should be more like Bush
He's dispelling the bullshit "powerless President" gambit that gets trotted out to excuse inaction on any number of issues.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #95
159. +1. Killing the lame, pathetic, transparent *but we don't have the votes* excuse. n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #95
275. +1
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #80
99. That's just poor reading comprehension
The 'toon expressly suggests that Mr. Obama might use his post as a "bully pulpit" in the mode of Teddy Roosevelt, in contrast to Bush's efficacious, but underhanded way of doing things. That's the kind of qualitative distinction too often missing from the public debate. This is a brilliant, nuanced 'toon indeed.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #99
104. It's a poor choice of words by the toonist. Like the whole cartoon is. Bashing liberals is not the
answer to our problems. But he doesn't care. He'll do what he wants.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #104
119. Critiqueing Mr. Obama is hardly "liberal bashing."
Unless you fecklessly equate Mr. Obama with liberalism, which would be a tad ridiculous, don't you think? The 'toon in fact defends liberals, if read as it's clearly intended.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #119
122. Except it's not criticism. It's a baseless attack with many points that have been debunked.
Furthermore, it's creating a pejorative term out of a valid and sound liberal ideology.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #122
158. it's a woodchuck.
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 08:22 PM by nashville_brook


or, a dire threat to liberal ideology. you decide.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #158
203. !!!

:spray:
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #104
152. Somebody's definition of "Liberal" is missing the mark. So, to be fair, I'm putting it to a vote.
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 08:17 PM by Edweird
It's still early, but it isn't looking good for your position.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:20 PM
Original message
That darn Woodchuck!
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:04 PM
Response to Original message
179. Senator, I served with Chuckles the Woodchuck
I knew Chuckles the Woodchuck, Chuckles the Woodchuck was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Chuckles the Woodchuck.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #104
216. Berni, berni, berni
Stop being so silly. You know that the cartoon is not bashing liberals. I can explain it and diagram it and quote parts, but that would be silly because you know the point of the cartoon. You need to stop sounding so obtuse. Half the people on the thread think you really don't have the smarts enough to understand the toon. Now you can rail against the cartoon all you want, but this silly "making fun of liberals" shit is beneath you. If you want to defend the Sensible Liberal positions, go ahead. But you have taken a really stupid position here.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #216
257. +1 million!! eom
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #216
276. Thank you. nt
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #216
293. Oh, I see, Liberals are not allowed to be practical, pragmatic, sensible or compromising?
You can't be any of these things and be considered Liberal?

Got it. You've all agreed on this talking point as you've all reflected this sentiment.

The fact is, 85% of the Democrats who support Obama agree with his practical and sensible approach to politics. The extremism exhibited by this cartoon and by many here is what obstructs progress.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #293
295. Flog that horse. Maybe it will come alive.
Let me see your evidence that 85% agree with you.

Otherwise keep up the silly. Your contribution will become as impotent and pointless as other reasonless, blind supporters.

This thread has given me hope for DU. The overwhelming number of posters who disagree with you and agree with TT is a strong argument that DU is not becoming just a pr arm of the DLC. DU at its best. Especially when there are the posts like yours that prove the point the cartoon made.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:44 AM
Response to Reply #295
296. Snark won't help you
http://www.gallup.com/poll/139337/Obama-Weekly-Approval...

81% of Democrats approve of Obama's performance. That means they agree with his approach and politics.

There are many members here who are keeping silent because they don't want to be "flogged" as you say by a mob that thinks they are the only ones right.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #296
311. Slap, slap, slap. Still no whinny.
So now you are being flogged? So the tiny cadre of those who use blind faith in place of principle or logic are too afraid to comment? They cower under the thread of a disagreeing post? Another of you silly horses.

Your poll does not prove what you say it does. First, where is the missing 4%. You flogged the 85 number around like a magic shield. Second, I would probably be in the "approve" column from the way Gallup asks its questions. Do you have the polling questions that produced that figure or does your blind faith extend out to the Gallup organization also.

And are you sure you want that poll posted up? You know the one that shows Obama's numbers are lower than any post-war president at this time with the exception of - wait for it - the last one term Democratic president. Quick someone send a bandage for that hole in the poster's foot.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #75
88. Well-stated.
:thumbsup:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:12 PM
Response to Reply #75
93. A modern day version of FDR might be nice. n/t
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #75
102. that is inside out and backward
You are calling using the bully pulpit and exerting influence and getting things done a "dictatorial style" and saying that is equivalent to dictatorial executive powers seized by the previous administration.
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #75
117. That's just rationalization. If he at any point "goes too far," plenty of people
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 06:42 PM by coti
will call him on it, trust me. But, right now, he's not even close to in danger of doing so.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #117
124. I'm trying to think how one might "go to far" in simple advocacy for one's position
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 07:22 PM by jgraz
Equating open and honest debate with clandestine violations of the Constitution is one way to justify executive ineffectiveness. What a clever woodchuck!
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #124
195. +1
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #124
202. "to far" ACK
Cold medicine must be getting to me. :dunce:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #75
249. Seneca, do you have a link to the Rude Pundit piece you referred to??
Thanks!
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #249
376. It's called "Dead Byrd"
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com /

As for anyone thinking I "don't get it", I have to say I expected that reaction. There are many Tom Tomorrow fans who are no different than Glenn Beck fans - you can't tell them their hero is wrong in any way, or they'll start putting their fingers in their ears and saying "LALALALALA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

They don't like their tidy ideological bubble being poked at with sharp sticks. They read Tom Tomorrow for the same reason people watch Glenn Beck: To have their POV confirmed and reinforced. Anything that fucks with that - you might as well tell a fundie the Bible is crap.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:10 AM
Response to Reply #376
383. Preach!
:thumbsup:

Having never even heard of Tom Tomorrow until about a year ago, I think what you're saying is spot on. Amazing the folks here who act as though this comic strip is the Alpha and Omega of truth. I haven't read a comic strip since Bloom County.

And thanks for the link! :hi:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #383
521. You should, political cartoonism is the last vestige of greatness in the funny papers.
And Tom Tomorrow's been incisive and funny for 20 years...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #75
364. That *whoosh* you heard was the point flying right over your head.
:rofl:

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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 04:12 PM
Response to Original message
78. So true! We can't let doing the right thing be the enemy of
doing the easy, politically convenient thing!

;)
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #78
97. i just spit veggie chips on my keyboard.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #97
101. ;)
So telling, too, these frantic attempts to spin a cartoon that speaks for itself. They doth protest too much.

:rofl:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:12 PM
Response to Original message
92. All of those arguments have been debunked many times
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #92
100. That depends on your definition of debunked
Hint: it is not when you and your friends act as a group to alert on everything you are uncomfortable hearing.
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #100
113. !!!
:thumbsup:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #100
277. Oh baby! nt
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #100
351. The strawman, just for starters, that criticism of Obama leads to Palin
winning; no one says that; it's that voting for third parties or not at all in high enough numbers could. Since no one said that, there's nothing to attack really and that part of the strip is pointless.

Then making fun that the POTUS can't do things overnight - well, he can't and should not be able to. How stupid it is to say that he could or should. It's making fun of recognizing reality. Or trying to, which is stupid.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #351
366. The hell they don't. It's said quite often ON THIS BOARD.
You're not even being honest in your argument. It's pathetic.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #351
371. Was this written to me?
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 06:28 PM by Yuugal
Your side has already lost the argument, why not let it go? I'm not going to waste my time making a long reply because if I score any points in the debate you will all alert and have my post removed just as has already been done on this very thread. The tighter you authoritarians try to close your iron fist around us progressives, the more of us will slip through your fingers.

ps- compromise to you guys means none of our concerns ever gets addressed except to say "STFU and vote for our guy anyway"
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #351
375. Oh, stop! My sides hurt too much already!
:rofl:

(Folks who do not have me on ignore -- and I know there are at least five of you -- would someone kindly make sure treestar sees this? Muchas gracias!)

You slay me, treestar. (Not in the way a lot of folks would like to slay me, but figuratively, I mean.) And you get the prize for bringing me out of hibernation, albeit momentarily -- this was just too ripe an invitation to pass up.

Here's your "strawman," pal (do you know the definition of "strawman," btw?)...

...and, no, I won't call out anyone by linking to posts or naming names...

...and no, I didn't make this shit up...

...and before anyone attempts to impugn my word, YOU search for these priceless lines, and you WILL find them all, and much, much more of the same:

"Keep blasting Obama boys and girls. Your reward awaits in 2010 and 2012 with Speaker Boehner, Majority Leader Mcconnell and lastly President Palin/Romney/Bush/Pawlenty/Barbour/Petraeus/Huckabee."

"(Obama is) condemned for trying to be America's President, instead of the left's President. I hope you people are ready for President Palin."

"So will all of you who say you're gonna sit out the '12 election/vote 3rd party REALLY OK with Pres. Palin?"

"I'd just like to hear the 'logic' of those who are willing to live under a President Palin or her equivalent."

"So you are one of those who's ready and willing to have Palin as president... you may even LIKE it the way I've seen you defend her on this board."

"If you'd be just as happy with a President Palin, that's not only your problem, but ALL of our problems."

"They'd rather have Palin and the Repukes back in power because Obama couldn't save the world in a year!!!"

"(Obama) won't be appreciated until long after he is gone and the undermining of this president every single day since day one will give us someone like a President Palin"

"If Obama doesn't win because of some PUMA bullshit, then good luck in having President Palin (1 in 3 chance of this or better)."

"President Palin will thank you Because she and the GOP know that is how you think, and they will use that to keep the Oval office forever."

"You want to whine about Obama, knock yourself out. But in 2012 when you get a president Palin your whining will be the fault of your own."

"So, you'll be a President Palin supporter then? that's your choice."

"I hope you like President Palin. You sound like a pretty fickle voter if your vote is lost this easily."

Best threat: "a Republican will take over for the next couple of decades."

Wow! Presidents, Republican or otherwise, last for decades now?!

:rofl:

Now, are you ready to put to rest this bullshit that "no one" ever says that "criticism of Obama leads to Palin"?

Or do you need more lyrics from that classic oldies album, Greatest Hits of the "Hope You're Happy With President Palin" Chorus?
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #375
428. I couldn't leave this without a response.
And not just because I enjoy seeing fact-free assertions pwnt. You put far too much work into it to ignore.

:thumbsup:
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sixstrings75 Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #375
487. Awesome post. Where's is retort? lol. Owned him. Kick it.
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 06:26 PM by sixstrings75
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #375
523. To be fair, Obama's dropping the ball ON the left has made Palin a grim prospect instead of joke.
:scared:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #351
380. "no one says that"... except 50 times a day.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #351
522. What happened to the days when democracy meant multiple parties, & the inevitable primary challenge?
Edited on Mon Jul-26-10 08:01 PM by Leopolds Ghost
You know, like in other countries?

Oh, I forgot, "other countries" = "not America"

and thus "democracy" = how we do it IN AMERICA,

today not 50 or 100 years ago either!

On Edit: Doesn't matter, I'm too much of an anti-authoritarian anyway.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #92
103. of course they have
That is the point of the cartoon.

All of the arguments in favor of compromise and "being realistic" have been debunked.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #103
106. Nice twist. Unfortunately, you twisted right out of reality. The whole bully pulpit issue
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #106
118. what whole bully pulpit issue?
Talk about taking a minor peripheral part of the message and trying to build some sort of case from it.

Whatever bold, fierce advocate, make no mistake about it, this administration is committed statements from the White House that there have been have clearly not worked if they have to be explained. Ergo, by definition the bully pulpit has not been effectively used. Had it been, we would see approval ratings spikes up into the 70's and 80's as was the case with previous Democratic party administrations, not flat and languishing in the 40's and steadily falling.

The bully pulpit and the campaign stump are not the same thing. What works in one will not necessarily work in the other.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:14 PM
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105. Perfect! K&R!
I know I'm going to be sorely tempted from now on to post, "Chuckles, is that YOU?" every time one of DU's "pragmatic" cohort weighs in on a thread that advocates standing up for principles.

:evilgrin:
sw
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #105
110. Nice post, Chuckles.
:rofl:
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #110
116. ...
:spank:
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
115. There is a park and this is out of there... Reced for life. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:52 PM
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #121
123. Well said. And if no one has said it already...
Welcome to DU.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #123
134. I don't think they lasted.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #134
143. Actually, they are not TS'd. What they said was fine.
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 07:44 PM by berni_mccoy
I believe it was a mis-delete. They were trying to delete one of your friends responses to her post. See the one below it gone? The one that called her a "breathless idol worshipper"... yeah that was one of your friends who got deleted.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #143
144. Mis-delete.
That's funny. I didn't see either post, so I don't know.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #144
150. The post was deleted because it likened progressives to teabaggers. n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #143
163. Wow. No spin is too much of a stretch for you is it now? What a classic. n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #163
181. Teh mods have twitching fingers,
deleting wrong posts!1!11!!1
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #181
226. Lol! I'm still laughing over that stretch n/t
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #143
182. What exactly is a mis-delete?
You calling out the mods?
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #143
402. Comic genius!
Do you write all your own material?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:14 PM
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127. Deleted message
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:24 PM
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129. "Remember how much trouble George Bush had getting anything he wanted"
Yes

The quote implies that Bush's unitary excutive pushes are to be admired. I certainly don't want President Obama to emulate Bush.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:20 PM
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157. Deleted message
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #129
201. LOL
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #129
205. He does not imply Obama should use unitary executive as a means to accomplish things.
"Bully pulpit" and "exert influence" are the only means TT states in the cartoon.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:32 PM
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #132
137. Because labeling 85+% of the Democratic Party as Centrists and bashing them with debunked
talking points is not upsetting at all. No.

This thread is full of rule violations by people who have nothing better to do than demonize members of DU and the Democratic Party. DU should be ashamed that this thread has so many recs. It is a stain of hatred and embarrassment for this site.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #137
142. What is considered a win in Afghanistan... why are we attacking teachers unions?
Why are we cutting taxes on wall street? why are we raising the retirement age on working class america? Why is BP in charge in the gulf? Why don't we have a public option for health care? Why are tax cuts for the rich being matched with spending cuts for the poor? Why are we still in Iraq? Why are we still holding people without charge? Why are we assassinating foreign citizens? Why are we assassinating American citizens? Why are we bailing out Wall Street? Why are we cutting off unemployment?


Why again should I be happy with the people you defend?
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #137
145. Thanks for reminding me to rec.... done!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #137
151. blahahahaha! show us where 85% of Dems support Gitmo (just as a for instance)
or, better yet... hit us with another one of these overheated rants. it's so much fun to read out loud.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #137
161. So you're saying Chuckles is a demon?
My gawd, I think you're right! Look at those teeth! He's out to drain our vital essences!!!!

:scared:

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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #137
167. stop repeating that
Just because 85% of people identifiying with the Democratic party approve of the administration - that is low, by the way - that does not mean that 85% of them agree with you.


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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #167
365. Argumentum ad populum.
These guys are just so damn funny.
:rofl:

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #137
175. Since when is Message Discipline LLC "85+% of the Democratic Party"?
All 6 of you? Really?? :wtf:
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #137
177. bernie, I have to share something with you
while you may want to quash dissent on DU and think you're doing a good thing - it seems to me the reality is something else entirely.

people who voted for Obama are disappointed - and not just here on DU. They voted for Obama expecting him to do things he declared he would as part of his campaign - and people have every right to be disappointed. They're disappointed b/c of the attitude taken about HCR from the start. FISA. Because of the tactics of Summer and Geithner that reaffirm Paulson. For the lack of accountability for the abuses of power by the wealthy, by groups like Blackwater, by BP.

to try to censor one of the most popular cartoonists on the left is self-defeating - for you and your cause - which, it seems to me, is to enforce party discipline - no one can say anything critical because it is "disloyal" to the party.

If you want DU to become an echo chamber for people who think just like you do, you'll find you will alienate those who vote for democrats simply because there is no better choice. These people aren't "greens" or whatever other label you want to put on them. You will drive away people who contribute to DU with their hard-earned money that they budget to deal with the current economic outlook. You will drive away people from DU and also from EVER wanting to be a part of any political campaign.

these people are lifelong democrats who would like to one day be able to vote for a candidate that didn't kowtow to the right wingers in this nation. That's not asking Obama to be Bush - that's asking for some righteous and deserved anger and action against right wing abuses in this nation.

If you want to be the DU enforcer - you will drive more voters away than you will ever attract. You will certainly drive away people who would work for candidates, even if those candidates aren't their choice.

So, maybe you should think about whether it was "politic" to jump into this thread and start attacking people and questioning their right to post on this forum. Since you tell others to be pragmatic, maybe you should take the long view and recognize that these attempts to shut down any criticism only feed anger and resentment.

I doubt you'll care about anything I have to say here. But I still thought it was useful to say it.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #177
186. this is very well said.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #177
207. Excellent points Raindog
and DU has slowed down a fair amount since the new rules were posted. Many lifelong Democrats aren't going to fall in line with the "New Democrat"(Old GOP) agenda.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #177
279. I have the same impression.
Thanks.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #177
294. Rain, I'd like to respond. This cartoon is squashing people
It's making many good Democrats here who believe in using sensibility and pragmatism that are good political traits that actually result in getting things done... it makes these Democrats feel like they don't belong. Is this place only for people who constantly rail against progress and constantly fight against every concession? Or are we allowed to accept compromises in order to get the most progressive set of policies in place in a generation?

People who cheer this cartoon on are shutting down discussion that it's ok and even necessary to apply compromise or use quid-pro-quo exchanges to pass progressive policy through Congress. No one likes to give in on any of their points, but it is a necessary mechanism of politics, especially when one branch is not fully dominated by a single party. If the Senate had 60 truly progressive and liberal Democrats, they'd be able to ram-rod anything they wanted through, but that isn't the reality of the situation. We don't have 60, we never had. We don't even have 50 who would have supported the PO through Reconciliation. In the end, the only way to make anything on the truly progressive agenda real is to compromise.

In a perfect world, it wouldn't be necessary. But we don't live in a perfect world.

I'm not acting to enforce anything here. But this thread seriously demonstrates how one side wants to quash discussion of the necessary use of sensibility and practicality of Democratic politics. I'm defending many people who believe in that approach. There are more Democrats than you think here at DU who agree with me, but they are remaining silent because they see how I and a couple of others have been treated in this thread.

Do you care about anything that I have said here?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:40 AM
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #304
307. Bullshit.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:14 AM
Response to Reply #304
314. I'll second that.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #294
313. Hilarious how you try to spin everything
That political cartoon isn't saying that those people are being sensible at all. It's saying that centrists are using that excuse to ram rod centrist policies.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #294
318. Yes! People are being SQUASHED by a cartoon!


DEATH TO TOM TOMORROW.

INFIDEL PIG!
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #294
344. you know what?
I tend to lean towards pragmatism in reality and support the prez as I know how hard it is to get things done in the real world. On the other hand I believe in the more left, idealistic goals that help create the pressure to get things moved to the progressive side of the line. If we all stayed in line the line will continue to move to the right.

Cheering this cartoon will not shut down discussion in any way, shape, or form. Demanding loyalty and declarations of "nothing is perfect so shut up" DOES try to stop discussion so I feel you are being hypocritical here. Status quo is ALWAYS the easy way - if there was no pull from the edges (dissent/troublemaking/"lack" of sense or whatever you want to label the left of mainstream or left of yourself) nothing WOULD EVER CHANGE. So I don't see the griping and whining by the ponyless as a bad thing at all.

I think the cartoon is, as all cartoons, a bit exaggerated for effect. I also think it is pretty true and quite funny. Long live Chuckles.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #294
345. thanks for the reply
bernie - those here who think this cartoon makes them feel like they don't belong, imo, have some issues - this site obviously is for a variety of opinions - it always has been - and not just about this one issue or cartoon.

people here who think they don't belong because everyone doesn't share their opinion might not belong if they want to censor others who disagree. that's just not feasible. If they cannot hold an opinion in spite of others' disagreement - that's not the fault of others.

those people may have valid points and good things to say and to contribute - and let them do so. but let them do so without attempting to shut up other opinions.

let facts and information be the arbiter.

there are plenty of times when this has worked. Let the issues be the issue. I'm as guilty as anyone else in sometimes responding in anger to something when I don't know all the facts. People who want to understand a particular topic can and will listen to various sides of an argument - most especially if the arguments are presented based upon the reality of political life - even when people are frustrated by that reality - and not based upon personal attacks or dismissal of one group or the other... this is true for all of us and not just you.

In this case, a political satirist has taken a swipe at people who share your convictions. TomT is merely expressing the feelings of many. But TomT is MUCH, MUCH more virulent about Republican policies and actions. So I think a little perspective would be useful. To attack TomT puts the pragmatists in a bad place because, face it, those with this opinion are in the majority in political office, at the point of power, even if they're not the majority here or even the majority among those who define themselves as liberal.

South Park has gone after "Man Bear Pig" Gore - but that has not and does not change the reality of global warming. That does not change the reality that Gore has done much to make the world aware - and people will no doubt go after him about this latest thing, which, to me, is not worth caring about... as in... a pol's private life isn't my care or concern if they don't turn around and try to score points off of others for this very reason. Gore's public life has been, for the most part, about environmental policy - and, yeah, he has a big house and all that - and he can and does get skewered for that. Overall, tho, I take away from his work the truth that we need to effect change at the level of national and global policy - as human and prone to failure as he and we all are. I mention this as an example - we don't toss out An Inconvenient Truth because Gore has some other inconvenient truths about his life. People here are, generally, intelligent enough to get this.

People need to have the freedom to express their frustration over these sorts of issues, even if it makes you uncomfortable. Rule exist here to contain the level of vitriol that may come with that. After a while, maybe we'll figure out that, if we want to change things, we have to do so at the level of actual political action, not posts on a political forum with bickering between factions.

People post things here that I disagree with all the time (from both ends of the spectrum and for various reasons.) On my better days I simply ignore those posts - life does not begin and end because someone posts something here I disagree with. If I feel strongly about a disagreement, I will make my case. That's what people do here all the time.

It may seem frustrating when you think an issue is misrepresented, but by simply presenting evidence to support or deny assertions, you supply tools for others to use in their daily lives when someone comes along and says... oh, I don't vote, all pols are the same. Everyone here knows that's not true, even when they speak in anger about one thing or another. People may say this but when it comes down to it, we all know that Republican rule is vastly more harmful to this nation. Of course, there's also the argument to let it all fall - but most people don't have that level of detachment from those who would be harmed by this - because those who would be most harmed by this are always also those with the least power/money/access.

While I can and am frustrated about various things - I have used information I've learned on DU to counter just such arguments - to say the things the pragmatists say here - even tho those who see themselves in this way would most likely never count me as one of their own. I don't count myself as one of them - yet I also realize that it is more harmful to allow republicans to gain power than it is to defend differences b/t the parties. The party, however, gives me the most "authority" to speak in such a way when they choose to distance themselves from policies identified as conservative and reactionary.

Those who want to implement policy with the view that these are placeholders for the future have good arguments to make for that position based upon the history of political change in this nation. Let that be the strength of those arguments, not complaints that you are attacked b/c of them.

People are always attacked for their political opinions here, and in the U.S., for that matter, no matter what they are.

This thread in no way tries to quash discussion of pragmatic tactics. It does lampoon them. But this is one thread among hundreds here. This thread gives people a place to vent - people who don't agree with you. No one is preventing you or others from posting thread after thread in defense of pragmatism. To say this thread is a threat to your ability to post such things is a way to attack the post, not what you are allowed to do or not do.

Since you talk about the way that legislation happens, briefly, in your post - maybe some good posts might be ones that talk about how the sausage is made. Posts that simply present facts, without a defense of said realities, is substantive and would be hard to attack - the attacks are the frustration that one region or place does not align with others' political views.

People may still be angry that the sausage is made in this way, but others and those same people can and will also be able to cite such "information" posts when they are simply frustrated with the political process itself - a process that is defined by who is elected from one place or another. Of course, that also raises issues about who is supported by whom and for what reasons at a primary level - but let people fight that out too.

Those you mention who agree but don't post because of attacks in this thread may have a good point - maybe this thread isn't for that purpose. Maybe those defenses are for other threads.


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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:19 AM
Response to Reply #294
382. what do i care about "getting things done" if they're the wrong things?
why would i want to get the wrong things done?

why would any democrat want to get the wrong things done?

"how one side wants to quash discussion"

ironic.

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #294
405. "People who cheer this cartoon on are shutting down discussion"
No, they're cheering a cartoon.

How, exactly, is that "shutting down discussion" on DU?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #405
418. unbelievable!
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #418
423. What am I, your Ignored News Network?
:D

But yeah, the shit people say....
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #423
432. INN baby!
:toast: ....and

:spray:
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 07:30 PM
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435. Thanks.
I needed that. :toast:

And that one. :toast:

Hope you're keeping up. :toast:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:04 AM
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299. Does the phrase "false flag" meaning anything to you?
I'd like to suggest that it may be relevant here.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #177
331. +1
and that is as my father would say is the difference between R's and D's. We can and will criticize when our elected officials stray from our party platform and principals.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #177
333. Thank you for this excellent response.
You have conveyed all that I am feeling.
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #177
356. Don't ya know that pragmatism is a one way street? Always reach out to the right, never to the left.
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 03:19 PM by Spheric
To the left, it's get out of the way and STFU.

But, seeing as how they continue to acknowledge that they need us to retain power, doesn't seem very pragmatic of them.

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:22 PM
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370. There's the frustrating part. All this compromise goes the other direction.
I've heard no reports of the administration pressuring the Blue Dogs or the New Democrat coalition, ever, to move a little left to appease the Progressive Democrats. And I've heard far too many of the Progressives being told they have to play nice with Blue Dogs and others more to the right.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:07 PM
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180. What is this 85% you keep claiming?
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #180
184. The poor dear is confused
By the way I stole your Chuckles tag. It was the sensible thing to do.

:rofl:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #137
217. Tain't bashing most of DU.
Just look at the positive posts by dozens and dozens and dozens or replies. Then count the negative comments by a tiny handful that keep putting up silly shit about being the majority. And how did it end up with a positive 151 rec count if the cartoon so offends the sensibility of DU members? I think your position is the one with the 15% backing.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #137
278. Don't you wish you
could tombstone us all?
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #137
315. Actually, it represents a badge of honor in my opinion..
and quite frankly a reaffirming of my decision of joining the DU ranks recently.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:11 PM
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354. looks like a nerve was struck
chuckles hitting too close to home?

:rofl:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:55 PM
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146. That pretty much sums it up.
I also have no idea why they are still so angry.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:38 PM
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172. Truly.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:32 PM
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:34 PM
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:36 PM
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135. "Sensible" Liberals in their sensible shoes stomping out all the flickering "non-pragmatic" goals
Single payer? Nonsense!
Public option? Nonsense!
Rule of Law? Nonsense!
Accountability? Nonsense!

The "Sensible Liberal" stance - We should accept the crumbs tossed from the carriages and be grateful. No one says they have to throw any crumbs and a crumb is at least on the path to a loaf, right? Ok, we still die from only getting crumbs, but be positive! Baby steps,incremental ism is the way to success. Next we'll work on the crust and in a few short years a slice. Patience!

All accompanied by the chorus of "Whiners!","No pony, yet?" and
"Palin would be so much better, right?"

Tom Tomorrow is my hero. He's all about the disconnect and it doesn't matter if it's coming from the right or the left.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:36 PM
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233. If this was 1968, DU's "Sensible Liberals" would be Humphrey delegates in Chicago
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 11:37 PM by Ken Burch
And would gladly vote down the peace plank.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:14 PM
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390. Oh dear, I actually remember that year well
Edited on Thu Jul-01-10 12:18 PM by Mimosa
I was 3 or so years short of voting age but I remember it well. It was after I first awoke politically, in April 1968 when Martin Luther king was murdered. then shortly thereafter, another traumatic assassination, Robert F. Kennedy.

Both men opposed the war, both were too far left on social justice issues. :(


Anyhow, at first I thought Chuckles the Sensible Woodchuck was annoying. Now that I've gotten to know him better, he's sort of cute. ;)
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:54 PM
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407. He needs to be made into a screen-saver.
n/t.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:36 PM
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136. Niiiice.
And on point! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:37 PM
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138. way too Funny.... this one tops all threads on Irony alone
remember everybody, be a "sensible liberal."
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:57 PM
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147. Too true.
And one of best threads ever.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 07:59 PM
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149. Out of the ballpark!
That'll be a nice souvenir for some kid.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:16 PM
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154. That's Pretty Much The Way It Is. K & R (nt)
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:29 PM
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166. Rec'd with enthusiasm. Thanks for the classic Tom! Bookmarked. n/t
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:33 PM
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168. I don't know what is funnier, the cartoon itself...
Edited on Tue Jun-29-10 08:33 PM by liberation
or the replies by the exact same group people the cartoon is about validating each and one of the points made by the author.

Seriously, you just can't make stuff like this up.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:35 PM
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169. The validations by the sensible ones are the icing on the cake
They greatly increased the pricelessness of this cartoon. You're right, you can't make stuff like this up.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:57 PM
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176. .
:rofl: :thumbsup:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #168
187. It's like performance art.
I've reopened this thread at least 20 times to see what new woodchuck popped in!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:44 AM
Response to Reply #168
280. It ain't funny.
It's just plain sad.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:28 AM
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332. Think of it as footnotes and references n/t
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #168
334. You're right.
The cartoon was funny but some of the replies here are downright hilarious. They're falling all over themselves to debunk a fracking cartoon, of all things.

Looks like TT hit a nerve.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #168
346. +1
:rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #168
431. You couldn't ask for a better example of the cartoon in action than some of the replies here.
One of the funniest threads in a long time. :)
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:42 AM
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462. No sh*t, forkboy.
The usual suspects frothing at the mouth. One of the greatest threads ever!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 06:04 AM
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490. one works with the other
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 08:37 PM
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171. K and R
Thanks.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:16 PM
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183. Tom Tomorrow must read DU. n/t
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:40 PM
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188. Ha... I am chuckling!
:rofl:
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:51 PM
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193. This is one of the best threads EVER!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:45 AM
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281. +1
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:54 PM
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194. Night of the Woodchuck!


So glad I didn't miss it. :rofl:
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 09:58 PM
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196. Perfect!

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Ho Tai Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:01 PM
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197. Don't forget the Gaza flotilla
And the "ultra-humanist" reaction of the D's to the IDF's MURDER of nine people on the high seas. Another PROUD moment.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:37 PM
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218. this is THE thread. K+R+B/M+framed n/t
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #218
243. You can order hardcopies from TT's website.
Signed!

:rofl:
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #243
247. naw
I am waiting for the DVD to come out.

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 10:51 PM
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222. K&R.. Awesome!
I love this thread. TT defends the liberals who are being "bashed" for daring to act like liberals, and the "bashers" come in and start playing the victim. While claiming to hold a majority of 85%. Fucking priceless. :rofl: :rofl:
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JohnnyHardhat Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:13 PM
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228. Why is it...
... everyone I know feels this way and many journalists and cartoonists express these thoughts but nothing changes? I've called and written my Senators and Congressmen. I worked the campaigns. I've been engaged but I still feel the majority of what I voted and worked for has been either negotiated away or completely disregarded. Is it wrong for me to feel upset? Am I just whining?
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:50 PM
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239. Sad but true.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:54 PM
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240. It's sad because it's true. K&R!
Long live Chuckles!
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JohnnyK Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:55 PM
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241. Good ol' Chuckles! ~ K&R!
To the end of George Orwell's life in 1950, he held onto the false belief that intellectual freedom could be upheld in a Socialist society and that it was the only way to ever guarantee equality and happiness of all individuals. In his review of The Road to Serfdom he wrote, "Capitalism leads to dole queues, the scramble for markets, and war. Collectivism leads to concentration camps, leader-worship and war. There is no way out of this unless a planned economy can be somehow combined with freedom of the intellect, which can only happen if the concept of right and wrong can be restored."
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-10 11:59 PM
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242. My only regret is Berke Breathed doesn't do Bloom County anymore.
We need more of him and Tom Tomorrow.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #242
292. I think I read where Brethed
decided to stop doing the political stuff because he was afraid he would explode. I feel that way about what is going on myself.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #292
301. He said he had a very frightening experience with Homeland Security.
Wouldn't talk about it anymore.

A friend of mine at the dog park this morning loaned me a hardbound copy of all his strips from 1980-82. When I finish that, he'll loan me the next volume.

I think I'll have to buy them anyway.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:05 AM
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244. Did I forget to K&R?
Nope.
Laughing Out Loud Funny.
The Woodchucks jumping into this thread was INSANE!
Bookmarking for Rainy Days.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:52 AM
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251. Inspired By Glenn Greenwald Columns
Read Greenwald daily at Salon.

The cure for the common Euphemedia addiction.

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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:44 AM
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259. Are "sensible woodchucks" about to become the "cornflake chickens" of GD???
Also, why does Chuckles look so much like David Brooks? (Which makes no sense, as David is a Repuke, not a Dem.)
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Gin Blossom Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:52 AM
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261. I have to disagree with Chuckles.
That was a LOT of wood being chucked! This thread on TT's instant classic reminds me why I love DU. Rock on, 15%!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:56 AM
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262. Can Tom be tombstoned?
This is a clear violation of the DU rules of conduct.
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:34 AM
Original message
Apologies. More finger trouble.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 03:38 AM by tango-tee
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:34 AM
Original message
Sorry, wrong spot.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 03:44 AM by tango-tee
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:34 AM
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464. Finger trouble, deleted.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-10 03:36 AM by tango-tee
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 03:42 AM
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:15 AM
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268. *skewer*
I wonder if "chuckles" the sensible woodchuck (aka "ignored") has a sense of humor. I guess I'll clear my list and see.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:19 AM
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269. K & R
We whiners may have been against all this stuff under Junior Bush, but somehow it seems okay under a Democrat.I`ve actually burned my BRING THE TROOPS HOME sign and now I`m for troop escalation and rendition and against public option and habeas corpus.


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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:24 AM
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272. Yep, there will be no consequences to marginalizing your base!
Make us fear. Make us very afraid. Oops, forgot, we are not Republicans!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:45 AM
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282. How do I alert on Tom Tomorrow? He is violating new DU rules!! Pathetic!!!
Bitching and moaning and bashing our President! :cry:

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:48 AM
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308. Tom Tomorrow never really loved him!
:cry:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #282
367. Sarcasm?
Like your sig line, it is ambiguous.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:19 PM
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395. Yes.
And the sig line is a quote from our President in April of this year :)
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:37 PM
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400. Gotcha. A few years ago I would have just assumed it, but these days
you just can't tell.
:hi:
:kick:

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 11:27 AM
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424. No matter how cynical one gets
it's never quite enough.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-10 10:47 AM
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440. One more kick for Chuckles. n/t
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:24 AM
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285. Yes, us on the "whiny left" expect too much from hope and change. n/t
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 05:51 AM
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466. Butbutbut....
we have our Speechifier, our Hope-and-Change-enator, our Orator who looks fabulous in swimming trunks! Please! What more could you possibly hope for?
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:07 AM
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291. a big kick (already recc'd) to an encapsulation of the entire
DLC/"conservative democrat" schtick. This whole thread is priceless.

:rofl: :rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:53 AM
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297. Deleted message
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:01 AM
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298. *spit-take*
LOVE! <3
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 08:42 AM
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306. Chuck-tastic!


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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:10 AM
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312. My new favorite term - Chuck-tastic. Thanks.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:56 AM
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325. Absolutely awesome, Swampy!
Thanks! :hi:
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:55 AM
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335. Chuckles the Altertchuck!!!....
... :rofl:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:57 AM
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336. .
:spray:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #291
341. How much wood could a woodchuck chuck
if a woodchuck was Message Discipline LLC? :evilgrin:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:22 PM
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350. ...
"deleted message" was from Swamp Rat?
I missed it, and it looks like it was a winner :(
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:37 AM
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316. Kicking sensibly. n/t
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:53 AM
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317. Dangit!!!!
I didn't want this thread to end...... Thanx TT
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:47 AM
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324. Blast from the past: The Sensible Liberal in the age of Bush (2004)
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:17 PM
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348. Plus ca change.... n/t
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 03:13 PM
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355. +1000
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:37 AM
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461. Hey, ima...!
I'll go +10.000!! Now *that's* a keeper!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:00 AM
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326. Tom has been stealing posts from DU! cool...
:think:
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:04 AM
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327. Now that's funny
too late to rec, I guess I'll just kick.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:21 AM
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330. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:24 PM
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406. Yeah, it's a bummer.
But at least we can :kick:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 04:47 AM
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442. And here's another kick. n/t
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martinojacko Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:59 AM
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337. Ouch
That's gonna leave a mark.
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:03 PM
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338. Damn
Too late to recommend.

"But it's not what he campaigned on..."

:thumbsup:
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:58 PM
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353. Across America, moderate centrists are sharpening pencils
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 03:02 PM by Bluenorthwest
and trying to come up with their own damn cartoon. I can see it now, from the Bay to the Garden State, they are certain, like Dennis Miller used to be, that comedy is not about truth, decorum and status, but about being on the winning side and having lots of adjectives in use.
The moderate centrists, like the Republicans, will for all comic time be Margaret DuMont, standing there in an evening gown, being brunt to as many Marx Brothers as feel like drawing a comic, or making a little video. Unlike the Republicans, they are close enough politically that they should get over it and be spared being the punch line.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:35 PM
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361. A kick because I can. n/t
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:12 PM
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368. Oh shit! Too late to rec.
Here's a punt for little Chuckie. A very gentle nudge since I believe in being kind to little furry creatures. He looks quite professorial in those specs.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 06:26 PM
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372. To late to rec but here is a kick. Love TT!!!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:40 PM
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373. It was so thoughtful of people to show up and validate this cartoon! n/t
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 03:21 PM
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450. love it
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 07:44 PM
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374. Hauntingly familiar.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:39 AM
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377. The Whistle-Pig (educational!)
From:

http://www.morrisdailyherald.com/articles/2010/06/30/43...

...

Anyway, a reader has asked about another creature and a local name that he was unfamiliar with. The animal in question is what most of us refer to as a groundhog. Some of us may even call this rodent a woodchuck. But, if you are passing through certain regions of the country, this furry animal is called a whistle pig.

I must admit, in all my travels I had never heard of that one. At first I thought it must be mistaken for something else so I started to do some research. Almost instantly I found that prairie dogs are sometimes called whistle pigs but I knew that prairie dogs were not located where this gentleman had heard this term. So I kept digging.

After some time I found that in the Appalachian area and in some southern states the groundhog is referred to as a whistle pig. This name was given to the groundhog because of the whistling sound it makes when there is danger nearby. It will often make this sound just before it darts into its plunge hole to escape a predator.

Whistle pigs, or groundhogs, are found all throughout the United States and have endured a love/hate relationship with mankind. Every February we look to this furry animal to predict whether or not winter will hang around a bit longer. We also refer lovingly to this same little guy when asking, How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?


------------

Various ethological videos may be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv87T1CQF8E&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lYm0c7gYyU

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From popular Science, 1939:



http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2008/04/14/a-tame-woodch... /

Strangely, note the proclivity for pretzels and beer (upper-right caption).

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A truly epic thread /cheers!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 02:46 AM
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378. .
Edited on Thu Jul-01-10 03:05 AM by Hannah Bell
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 10:42 AM
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385. kick
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:51 AM
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386. Wow. nt
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:59 AM
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387. LOL !!! - Kick !!!
:rofl:

:evilgrin:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:00 PM
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388. Kick
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:22 PM
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391. kick..
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 12:38 PM
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393. This thread is a thing of beauty
kick
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:40 PM
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411. Meaning soon...
it will be locked as "beyond moderation".
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:43 PM
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416. yes, soon enough it will be dispensed of
the mighty 15% and the owner class, shaping consensus one locked thread at a time.

This message brought to you .signature free, because apparently I'm on a secret list somewhere! oh my!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 12:09 PM
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425. I need to kick it, it's so beautiful!
(Are you on FB, Bluebear?)
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 01:04 PM
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394. Hell, let's make this the kudzu thread of GD
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 05:43 PM
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412. It deserves an honored place in history. n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 12:09 PM
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426. +1
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 03:25 PM
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396. Kick.
Can't believe I didn't read this until now.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:03 PM
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403. Keeping it kicked
Wow, talk about life imitating art!
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 04:58 PM
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408. kick
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:29 PM
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414. Giant, Slow-Motion
Round house :kick:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 08:36 PM
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415. spinning nerd kick
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:45 PM
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417. As one who has been critical of this place recently, I must praise the mods.
They've allowed this thread to stand despite the desperate attempts by some to shut down the discussion.

Great job, mods. There's hope for DU yet!

(Oh yeah, and kick for truth -- and the unintentional irony that tastes so damn sweet.)

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 02:14 PM
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429. Well, I'm sure the 187 recs help.
But I'll add my :thumbsup: to support the fact that one of the great liberal cartoonists of the past decade isn't on the Banned List.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:22 PM
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419. for good measure
:kick:
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 11:50 PM
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420. i like it
n/t
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 12:54 AM
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421. late night kick
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 08:13 AM
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422. a new day a new....
:kick:

for all should see the winning thread
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 12:39 PM
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427. Kick!
Let em see it.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 05:11 PM
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433. k
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 10:04 PM
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436. kicking the shit out of it
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-02-10 10:22 PM
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437. What, this?
:kick:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-10 09:11 AM
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439. I think so. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-05-10 11:03 PM
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445. I think so too.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 02:54 PM
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452. Yes, that is correct. -nt
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-10 03:02 PM
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453. Oh, good. I wasn't sure.
Thanks for clarifying! :hi:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 10:17 PM
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475. One can never be too sure. n/t
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greendog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-03-10 07:24 AM
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438. Up-Chuck for sensible liberalism!
:evilgrin:
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-04-10 04:01 PM
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443. Man, I always pick the wrong times to go on vacation.
Epic thread.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 03:58 PM
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451. Yet you returned in time to kick this thread on the Fourth of July.
Now that's patriotic! :patriot:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-05-10 05:48 PM
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444. Kicking sensibly. n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-05-10 11:46 PM
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446. Always alive. Always at +187. Always.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:24 AM
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447. kick. One of the drawbacks of vacationing from the DU critique-free zone
is that I don't see some fantastic posts. But the peace of mind is worth it.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:52 AM
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448. ;)
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 10:27 AM
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449. The painful reality in just six panels.
nt
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 08:11 AM
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455. happy friday
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 09:48 AM
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457. Ooh, well done!
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 10:17 AM
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458. ...
:kick:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-10 11:23 AM
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459. kick
:kick:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:15 AM
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460. kick
for those wondering why we've been invaded by woodchucks. :D
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 02:51 AM
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463. Too soon for Woodchuck Convention?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-10 01:59 PM
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474. Okay, now I get all the woodchuck talk.
:rofl:
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 10:07 AM
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476. is it monday already?
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 01:18 PM
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477. Looks like it to me.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-10 02:45 PM
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478. Ha!
:rofl:
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-10 01:11 PM
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479. k
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-10 06:29 PM
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481. resurrection kick..
i was on vacation when this went down. awesome thread!!
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-10 06:12 PM
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482. yes, join the fun!
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:17 PM
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483. Chuckles ain't left the building yet.
:beer:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:33 PM
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485. I think I just saw him again! n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 05:43 PM
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486. Indeed. n/t
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 06:01 AM
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489. The little critter is still chucking wood as we speak n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:12 PM
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493. It's the sensible thing to do. n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 03:01 PM
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500. Eventually, if he keeps it up,
we'll finally be able to answer that famous question.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 07:29 PM
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488. Ooh, somebody had a hissy.
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 07:30 PM by Lilith Velkor
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 07:12 AM
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491. K&R
Before the powers that be lock it as inflamatory or something...

RL
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 09:28 AM
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492. nyuck nyuck
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 09:20 AM
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494. K&R why do we need hope... when fear can be peddled
its the presto-chango party
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 12:33 PM
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495. Because I just can't get enough of Chuckles.
:kick:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 02:43 PM
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496. kicky wicky
For the gift that just keeps on giving. :rofl:
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-10 04:26 PM
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497. How many minds could a woodchuck read, if a woodchuck could read minds?
What more is there to say?...
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:20 PM
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498. Kicking for pragmatism...
...or something.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:21 PM
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499. Strawmenz! Strawmenz!
:cry:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 03:05 PM
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501. Phantazee wurld! Phantazee wurld!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-10 10:01 AM
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502. He now stars in his own fable.
:rofl:
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:30 AM
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504. Kicking for the challenge.
:bounce:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:50 AM
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505. Kick!
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 06:16 PM
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506. kick
for the 10s of... you who have not seen this
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 06:38 PM
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507. kicking..
just because i can. eat it.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:31 PM
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515. Kicking sensibly. n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:06 PM
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509. Because the original is better. nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:08 PM
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510. Kickitty Kick Kick Kick
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:14 PM
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512. Thanks, Stinky.
:rofl:
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:25 PM
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514. and for historical purposes to show how chuckles really got under some skin!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:46 PM
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517. Amazing, isn't it?
:rofl:
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:49 PM
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518. Let's kick it back to the top! n/t
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:51 PM
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519. Kick for Tom and because as we all know,
There are no woodchucks in foxholes. Or something like that. I did just now learn on the internets the following:
Woodchucks, though herbivores, can be vicious if cornered, so keep your distance!
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 07:55 PM
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520. Wow...
Chucky threads never die.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 08:08 PM
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524. We are locking this
This old cartoon has more than served it's purpose.

Thank you for your understanding.

Grateful for Hope
For the DU Moderators
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