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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:45 PM
Original message
After much soul searching I have decided I have to change my Avatar back...
I wanted to believe we had started down a new path, one that would take us into a better future for humanity and the earth.
Perhaps that much change is just not possible... at least not in the limited time we have left before we completely destroy our planet.

I will continue to push with all my might for that change we need to survive, but I just can't put a happy face on it...


rip



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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:49 PM
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1. Push harder by changing your avatar?
I don't mean to sound cynical, but changing your avatar changes exactly nothing. I think in the Internet age we believe that uploading an image is tantamount to political action.

Personally, I've seen more change in the last 18 months than I have for the past three decades. But you just go ahead and find some more cool pictures.

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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. It means something to me
look up 'symbolic action'


I too have seen many changes over this past few years... but putting band-aids over the small wounds while continuing to hack away at the limbs is not going to get us very far.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:23 PM
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20. Symbolic action and $1.75 ....
will get you on the bus.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Maybe you missed that whole part where symbolic action is the basis for human society.
lol

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Vincent441 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #23
88. I hope thats sarcasm
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #88
111. Sadly, I don't think it was intended as such. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #111
118. So, what other animals manipulate symbols?
Thanks.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #118
126. If that was the type of symbolism at issue here, you would have a point.
It isn't. And you don't.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #126
128. Fail. n/t
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #128
130. Um, touche, I guess?
I know you need to have the last word here, so feel free.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #88
117. Sarcasm? LOL
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #20
46. it is doing far more than that
The OP about the avatar is doing plenty. Each exchange gets us more and more clarity about the situation, and the more clarity we have the more powerful we will become.

If it were such a useless, ridiculous, and ineffective idea, you would never have any urge to ridicule it and attack it and knock it down. Clearly, it is very powerful and effective.

I am on that bus, believe me. It didn't even set me back $1.75 either.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #46
68. So are you saying that Sarah Palin is powerful and effective?
By your reasoning, she is.

Because we love ridiculing and attacking and knocking down any utterance of hers, no matter how preposterous. That must mean she is "Powerful and effective."
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #68
86. of course Palin is powerful and effective
"close your eyes can't happen here.. Alexander Haig is near.."
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #68
136. yes
And the more time people spend ridiculing and attacking and knocking down any utterance of hers, no matter how preposterous, the more powerful and effective she is.
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #46
112. self-delete
Edited on Sun Jun-27-10 01:21 PM by iris27
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Robert DAH Bruce Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #20
79. Yeah
I don't doubt the OP's motivation, but changing an avatar on an internet message board ain't exactly refusing to give up your seat on that bus you mentioned!
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #20
85. feel free to do something more chum
P
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #20
97. Undo criticism and snark
wont even get you that...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:39 PM
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28. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #4
92. That is all that matters....
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. .
:spray:
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
44. it communicates
The avatar communicates, and politics is mostly communication.

Only those siding with power denigrate the value of communication, ridicule ideas, and they do that to discourage and intimidate people. The powerful have other tools and can do things that we cannot. Communicating with each other is the most effective and constructive thing we can do. Those in power fear that more than anything, as well they should.
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #44
142. you are right
I agree. Communicating is powerful and often people in power try to quash it in any form.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #1
100. Have you ever noticed how whenever someone says: "I don't mean to sound cynical..."
...that they invariably do?




Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. ~ Anon
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:25 PM
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114. I didn't read anywhere in her post
that was ALL she was doing, and neither did you. Why be so crappy to her about it, then?

What does it take for people to be a little more respectful of someone else around here, anyway?


No wonder people are leaving DU in droves.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:50 PM
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2. I agree...
Lady Liberty with her hands over her face...

Very appropriate, unfortunately.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:52 PM
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3. Here's a K&R for the symbolism and hope for better. n/t
:kick: & R

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:56 PM
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5. After much soul searching, I totally regret lifting a finger
to put this administration in power. That includes the checks I wrote, the calls I made, the doors I knocked on and the vote I cast.

I wasn't this discouraged under Bush because at least I had some hope that a better administration would at least stop the bleeding. Instead I've seen our money given to bankers, people losing job and homes, wars raging on, torture camps expanded, US citizens targeted for assassination, and the rise of a wing in the democratic party that sends cold fear down my back. Never did I think I'd see such a lack of compassion for other human beings and support for the very things the democratic party used to stand against.

Excuse me while I steal your graphic

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The Hitman Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. shit
Things would have been better had we all stayed home and let McCain run the country.

:sarcasm:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:06 PM
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12. Only in your simplistic world. But I'll say it out loud right now
I wish I had supported Hillary Clinton instead because, as imperfect, as nonprogressive as she is, she's upfront and we would have known what we were getting.

Primaries may be over but regret is eternal.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. You may want to consider if you are being manipulated by the media
Because had she won, you can bet your ass that the media would be ripping her a new one and pushing polls showing how people respect Obama and not her.

Any tough remark from Clinton would have been turned into "is she bitchy?" "does she have the emotional stability to be president'

Finally they would have worked the issue from where she started, so if you start further right you would end up further right.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #17
45. The thing with Hillary is that she wasn't selling any hope
so you know what you were getting. The other thing is that after what the Republicans put her through, Hillary wouldn't be spending all this time trying to appease them.
We'd still have a corporate-friendly administration but there would be no room for misinterpration.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #45
70. LOL!
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #45
143. "Selling hope".
That's what we're calling it now?

And I've got news for you--Hillary Clinton is just as much of a politician and a pragmatist as Barack Obama. Had we elected Hillary, you'd be here bemoaning the fact that we hadn't chosen Obama.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #12
26. Had Hillary been elected, you'd be complaining about the same
things you're complaining about anyhow. A consummate politician, she wouldn't have solve the problems, either, and wouldn't be progressive enough, either. We'd still have the obstructionists saying no to everything, and her health care reform would have been no different.

We have the situation we have. We have whatever attempts at solutions that can get past the "filibusters," and that's all we can get at this point.

If you want that to change, then giving up is not the solution, in my opinion. Instead, working even harder is the only way. One congress member at a time. One Senator at a time. This is the system we live in. Abandoning the effort or trying to get unelectable Don Quixotes elected will do nothing to move this sluggish nation toward progressivism. That much is clear.

So, we can try or we can give up and go away. I prefer trying. That's what I've been doing since the mid-1960s. I've seen some progress. More progress is needed. I will not abandon hope.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #26
49. I would, yes
I would be complaining about the same things regardless of who were president. Of course. Who wouldn't, and why wouldn't they?

Who is talking about giving up? Giving up on failing ideas is the opposite of giving up on the struggle. The choice may be do we give up on ourselves and each other and our principles, or do we give up on certain politicians?

Amazing that people who sold a candidate as radically different than the other choices, and so different then what we had in the past, are now defending the same politician with the opposite argument. Strange that people who talked hope and change before the election are now ridiculing those who want change and trying to crush people's hopes. I don't think there has ever been a shift like this ever in American political history.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #49
116. I wouldn't.
I would be complaining more if Hillary was President because there probably would be more to complain about. Just like there would be more to complain about if a Republican was President, or Governor. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/128
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #116
137. of course
Who wouldn't? I don't get your point. Why would not the same party loyalty and purist and pony arguments be used against critics no matter who were president?

Are you claiming that were Clinton president there would be more criticism by more people here then there is now?

It really is not about criticizing personalities, anyway. It is not about personalities at all.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #26
55. We haven't had a filibuster yet
Develop a set and call their bluff on it. This faux filibuster excuse is gertting old. Make them filiubuster against extending unemployment benefits. My god people will make any excuse for these fake democrats.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #55
76. That's why I put it in quotation marks. The problem is that
they'd have to change the Senate rules to return to the actual filibuster, and there aren't enough votes to do that. They make their own rules.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #55
91. +1
Evidently so.

People need to read a little history so they know the difference between a filibuster and a lame excuse for not getting the people's business done.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #12
27. Judging from the way State is being run, it's doubtful.
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 03:39 PM by EFerrari
Even focusing on Latin America as I usually do, all kinds of shenanigans and not much up front talking at all, unfortunately. I don't think you have to beat yourself up for that decision, anyway.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #27
48. Very true but her colors were up front. We knew during the primaries
what she was and that Bill would be bringing in the whole DLC. They're both the same but Hillary was at least seasoned and I think she'd have stuck a stick of dynamite up BP's butt on day 3. The Clintons had a good pulse on the mood of the nation. Right now I feel like we're dealing with a tone deaf administration. The way people's hopes were manipulated really gets to me. If you're going to stab me in the back, at least don't smile and talk about hope right before you do it.

Thanks to millions like me, who should have known better, we're where we are. I'm not going to beat myself up too much because politicians cynically exploit people for votes. That's as old as the hills. But I'm not shutting up either. Barack said we'd have to make him do what we wanted so I'll take him at his word and keep denouncing him until he delivers for the people.

You're right about Latin America. It's such a shame because this was our opportunity to take a few steps to the Left and join ranks with the rest of the hemisphere.

By the way, I really like your posts.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #48
80. You know, in my little part of the world, the mood of the nation was not to
spend inordinate amounts of time defending a president who embarrassed us with his extra-marital shenanigans.

How much political capital did other Democrats expend on a man who should have simply stepped aside during the late 1990s, giving us a President Gore in 2000?

We'd be seeing another round of endless Bill Clinton stories about his philandering ways, and Democrats all over the nation would have to be defending Bill Clinton's sexual addictive personality.

The cynical exploitation of every Democratic politician that the rest of us had worked for and voted for by both of the Clintons, because Bill Clinton couldn't ever stop with the womanizing, was sickening in the 1990s and it would be even more so now.

And I'm sorry, but NAFTA and the repeal of Glass Steagall were not the "mood of the nation" among Democrats that I know.
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #12
32. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda.....soo useless.
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The Hitman Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #12
34. Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
It's a 2 party system. It's rigged that way. And ya know what? We will always be a better option than them. If you want to get malaise and support people so that you KNOW you're going to get screwed in the long run, that's your decision. But a pretty dumb one if you ask me.

Obama is not perfect. He's not even close. He might not even be good! But there's a strong argument that so far he's been the best we dems have had since Johnson.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #34
66. And why do you think it's the best we can get? And how long
are you willing to settle for that? I understand what the commenter is saying. I chose Obama over Hillary because of the very few differences there were between them. After watching a debate on healthcare, Hillary came right out and supported mandated insurance. Obama disagreed with her, as he had with McCain and presented the reasons why. That was when I decided he was the better choice.

I never even considered McCain of course, after all he is a Republican who supported Offshore drilling, forever war and mandated insurance.

If I had supported Hillary in spite of the issue of healthcare, I would still be upset over what we ended up with, but I would not be disappointed in her.

On the good side, as someone infamous once said 'fool me once ...
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #34
138. no it isn't
It is not a "two party system." Partisan electoral politics are a small part of the political picture, and they are an effect rather than a cause of political and social change.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #12
42. ah, so it finally comes out.
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 08:19 PM by dionysus
:rofl:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #12
67. I supported Hillary because she truly cares about people.
I got to see her work up close when she was a senator. At meetings she absorbs information like a sponge. She listens to all sides and, if a person doesn't say much, she will draw them out because she wants to hear their opinion too. She will ask many questions until she understands all sides of an issue. She's serious, focused and damn smart, but she's also compassionate and has a great sense of humor.

She can be demanding, but treats her staff fairly and praises them for a job well done. Many of them have worked for her for years.

Hillary may not be as progressive as the left may want her to be, but she would fight to her last breath for the country. She's not a quitter, she's tough as nails and she knows her way around the senate. She would not have been rolled over by any of them.

I would vote for Hillary again in a heartbeat.

;-)
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #12
72. Hillary's and Obama's voting records were virtually identical.
I don't understand why people were expecting some sort of ultra-liberal presidency from Obama.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #12
102. Uh, there's a reason we all supported Obama; because he was our best chance at winning.
Supporting Hillary in 2008 was no guarantee that she would have won.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #12
121. More importantly...
...I would put my hand in a fire, if her administration were to have been as timid as this one has been to date (didn't Obama say something to the tune of he would "crush those who abused his open mindedness,"?). I'm still waiting on that one. Hillary is not scared of a fight and she's not worried that the Repigs' "wittle feewings" get hurt. On the whole, though, her policies may have been just as deferential to Big Bidness as those from Obama, we just would have gotten a few more crumbs.

I supported Kucinich in the primaries, but by the time California voted, he had been ridiculed and marginalized into silence. The choice between Clinton and Obama wasn't really a choice, because I found their platforms to be hardly distinguishable, so I really didn't care which one won. While I preferred Obama's health insurance plan over Hillary's, I voted for Clinton solely because I knew she had fight in her and because of the ugly way she was characterized in the primaries. With so many conservadrones and mediatrons shitting their pants at the thought of Hillary in the Whitehouse, it was clear whom they feared more and it wasn't the senator from Illinois. Obama was for me an unknown neophyte and the preacher-cadence turned me totally off, to be honest. To this day I prefer to read what he says as opposed to listening to it. That's not fair toward him, but after growing up in an extremely religious household and only until recent years being able to free myself of all the shit put in my head in that time (just turned 45), anything remotely religious makes my skin crawl.

After the primaries, I was somewhat impressed with him for his ruthlessness in securing the nomination (that's a compliment, because, as with most Democrats - Clinton excepted - I was expecting the same tepidness displayed by Gore and Kerry). Obama's campaign was truly brilliant in that, in spite of the mud-slinging from both sides, he came out with an immaculately clean vest (and yes, I know our fine, upstanding media representatives were giving him a shitload of cover, but it was still brilliant). As it was over and done with, I thought maybe he would have some fight in him after all. No such luck. I voted for Obama in the GE because he was better than McInsane, which I find is really a piss poor reason to get my vote, but hey, bigger things were at stake here.

President Obama hasn't disappointed me, nor will he ever, because I never expected so much from him in the first place. For others that is not the case. There's a cafe about a half a mile down the round that is run by two women, who are also a couple. During the primaries they hung up the iconic "Hope" poster in their window and were true believers, complete with that glazed-over look in their eyes (no joke, unfortunately). Around six months ago they took it down and neither of them really wants to say why. They just frown when one mentions anything relating to Obama.

I had a neighbor once, a really beautiful Austrian girl, who sometimes, late at night, would wake me up and crawl into my bed (she had a key to look after my cats). Afterward, she'd go back to her place. She never wanted to go out with me, I never met her friends, but this arrangement continued until I moved out. I sometimes feel like that is my relationship to the Democratic Party. Politicians discover their sexiness every few years, when the office is up for grabs, and once they have been satisfied, they go back to where they came from.

At least I also got something out of it when my neighbor fucked me.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #9
47. those are not the choices
You are presenting a false choice.

The choice is not between Democrat and Republican, it is between party loyalty and adherence to principle.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #9
51. Would not have been betterr
but about the same. McCain didn't want to escalate in Afghanistan. That's one difference.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #9
96. I am so sick of this statement
which probably was coined by someone with a 6th grade mindset. We were promised one thing, our party stands for a set of ideals which are included in it's planks but we are getting the opposite of what we voted for in many instances. We could have gone for Biden, Richardson, even Dennis. This is not an either or situation.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #5
89. Reasonable reasons to put this avatar back on one's page.
I think the Democratic party has done enough two stepping with the elite. Time to put the pedal to the metal and get the car out of the ditch for the working folks.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:57 PM
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6. 15 months didn't change everything?
Go figure!


:rofl:




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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 02:58 PM
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7. It's nice to see someone enjoy their own strawman so much. nt
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 05:35 PM
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37. Snap!
:)
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:23 AM
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69. nah it was just a fluff...
and an entirely overused statement
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 05:55 PM
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38. Nah! I'm just a realist.

Reality is real.

I'm there.


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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:47 PM
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53. now
Now you are a realist. I don't know if there has ever been a campaign in history that was less about "being a realist."
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:01 PM
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56. LOL, where would he be
if he had campaigned on realism and the staus quo.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 09:02 PM
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141. Yes, yes, where would one be....


:rofl:




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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:02 PM
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8. Then try paying attention to this
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:09 PM
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14. Oh, snap!
:thumbsup:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:17 PM
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18. sorry, I've been busy paying attention to this...
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:27 PM
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24. why not look at
the whole picture and maybe you can find good and bad. While I am at it, let me tell you I am one that is directly affected from the oil gusher and have my twin sister still in the area even more affected than I am. Obama went there and my family and friends there tell me that they felt good about Obama's efforts and thinks those that don't see the complexity of the whole picture are narrow minded. I live on almost nothing, and depend in part on money from that very area yet I think Obama is doing as much as is possible unlike Katrina where set policies could have been followed and been successful this one there isn't any such policy. I am aware had it not been for Obama ordering a second relief well when BP was only going to do one that the chances of the relief wells working fast would have been longer. Don't be like the right wing and refuse credit to Obama anymore than to fall in line and follow blindly. Both are bad moves.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:01 PM
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107. What i'm feeling is so much bigger than politics.
Who's in office right now really has little to do with it.

The disappointment I feel is, quite frankly, directed towards the lack of real change I am seeing from the people of this country. They continue to blindly consume and twitter and deny that the problems exist, in favor of squabbling among themselves about petty shit.

while Rome burns..

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:23 PM
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21. That's a very nice list if you are looking for something to feel good about.
But it doesn't really hold up if you accidentally think about the list. Rachel is saying stuff she knows isn't true, like calling insurance reform "health reform", claiming that the bailout money ever got to the public, and counting infrastructure investment as a result, not to mention, editing Obama's energy and weapons policies. But she's got to pay the bills just like anyone else.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:44 PM
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29. There is our problem
don't tell me good things because to accept them is too much like republicans, we have to be all negative, find fault with our people so we won't be called cheerleaders. Let's quit the Democratic Party and join the Green so we can make sure we get our next George W. Bush. Being a cheerleader only is crazy but to ignore the accomplishments is just as stupid. That is why we don't have much progressive talk (I know about this first hand) because we don't support it, we want it, we want some superperson to come create, finance and tell us how horrible things are but don't ask us to finance it, and in too many cases listen to it. Too many Progressives seem happy only when they are unhappy and inactive instead of trying to make it happen. I personally am sick of these kind and consider them as bad as any right winger.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 04:43 PM
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124. If that's what you got out of my post, our problem is bad reading. n/t
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 08:34 AM
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78. So now Rachel Maddow is lying for money? lol. nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 04:42 PM
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123. It's not lying, it's shading. That piece was a celebration
not analysis. That's fine. Just don't pretend it's something else.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:24 AM
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87. Wow! America is on the GROW!

:wow:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:03 PM
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10. I think you're right to make symbolic change
My avatar is symbolic too. I hope it explains itself.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:03 PM
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11. I watched Mr. Smith goes to Washington this morning.
I thought to my self that in the time this movie was directed that not much has changed, and how could so many be left out of the process. I know in the end Mr. Smith shames the silver night into confessing the political machine that was running things via him and his elected office, but that is the beauty of the movies. So many of us wanted Mr. Obama to pull a Mr. Smith.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:53 AM
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73. Possibly the most destructive film ever made.
Capra's film unintentionally(I hope) created a mythology around American politics that countered the still healthy skepticism Americans traditionally had for politicians and the political process. Commercially a bomb ($9M gross), it was adopted by and pervaded the school system and became the de facto image of our political system for at least three generations.

It's a wonderful life (an even bigger bomb), did the same thing to our "understanding" of the banking system.

And as I'm writing this, Horatio Alger comes to mind...


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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 02:06 AM
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74. +1
I totally agree!
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #74
105. actually I like the movie. "Bullworth."
Hey, I'd love a politician to say "People, you know it really sucks, I'd love to be for you, but these damn corporate lobbyists actually run the country."
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zorahopkins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:12 PM
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15. I Still Have No Avatar
I'm not sure what significance I attach to having no avatar.

I'm not even sure how to search my soul.

What does it all mean?
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:13 PM
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16. What I expected in 15 months was 15 months of change
I guess from the perspective of children in Central Asia who find themselves in the sights of Hellfire missiles, there has been change.

More Hellfire missiles.

The change has been toward more George Orwell and less Thomas Paine.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:17 PM
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19. what you call this?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:32 PM
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:36 PM
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50. I'm astounded you even need to explain that
We have two major wars heading a long laundry list of unacceptable items but we're supposed to focus on chicken shit.

Stop the fucking wars Obama. Both of them were based on lies. Quit talking about Al Qaeda and stop them NOW!
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:38 PM
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61. The lies continue
"Defense" and the more nebulous but more honest "vital national interest" are used alternately. Defense implies that we are physically threatened, rather than just that we want control over what others have.

The Department of Defense should be renamed "The Department of Imperial Aggression."

I don't usually waste my time explaining the obvious to "patriots." I just refer them to Naomi Klein, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky or Glenn Greenwald.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:52 PM
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103. Wow! Clicking on this OP was a waste of my time.
:eyes:
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 03:26 PM
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22. You certainly aren't alone
We started doing petitions this week for our Dem Committee. People signed but what an earful. They are fed up with both parties and there is much anger towards this administration. It isn't just us, people expected more, they did believe there would be change and no one is fooling them with this healthcare bill, they hate it. All they see is corporate cronyism, "they are all bought and paid for" is the comment we keep hearing. I had thought the GOP was so bad that the dems wouldn't do that badly in November but maybe not. These are only registered dems and I think many are just going to stay home, they see no difference between the parties any more. There is little to defend.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 04:03 PM
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30. Whooooaaaa. Intense dude. Intense.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 04:07 PM
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31. Principle over Party. I admire you. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 04:24 PM
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33. I'm sad to say I agree with your sentiment
I promised myself that I wouldn't say anything until 2 years was up.

Everyone asked for time- and we got a dead Gulf of Mexico for it.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #33
52. Are you trying to imply that Obama
is responsible for the gulf disaster?
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #52
58. um, promoting offshore drilling, no regulations, MMS corrupt/inefficient ...
Edited on Sat Jun-26-10 10:19 PM by ima_sinnic
the buck stops where?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:32 PM
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99. +1
:thumbsup:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 05:12 PM
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35. Wise choice, very appropriate. nt
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 05:26 PM
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36. That seems appropriate.
I don't have one. I took it down after my sig-line privilege was removed because I linked to my post during the campaign season predicting Obama would be a center-right disaster.

I don't really know what symbolizes where I'm at these days.

Maybe I should browse them again and see if there is anything that at all fits.

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:37 AM
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95. "I don't really know what symbolizes where I'm at these days. "
Edited on Sun Jun-27-10 11:37 AM by Moochy
You are at DU.

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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 06:03 PM
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39. Give me LIBERTY or give me back my old AVATAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
:eyes:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 06:34 PM
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40. What I don't understand is, people will claim they would die for this country
but how many today would live for this country.

I know, you probably don't get it and I probably didn't explain well what I mean.

EVERYTHING we do, even making a simple statement about what it means to be a responsible citizen, can make a difference, if not in someone else's life then in our own.

I don't agree with what you implied, however, it was mildly amusing, thanks for sharing.
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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 06:46 PM
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41. I hear ya. Did the same thing myself a few days ago.
I wouldn't lose all hope, though. The mid term elections will change the dynamic - maybe for the better, you never know.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:21 PM
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43. We're all going to die
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #43
54. many are dying
Do you find that humorous?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. What??
trying to provoke a response through a most ridiculous assertion?

Good luck with that, Mike :eyes:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:22 PM
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59. methinks you doth protest too much
your post was mocking, the question was warranted.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:57 PM
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63. lol
OK, have fun fighting the 'battle of the boards' :eyes:

Nobody is fooling anybody any more.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. I'm talking about your response to the OP's obvious pain
but I suppose this is what we can expect in the way of compassion and intelligent discourse around here. When nothing of substance can be contributed, post a picture of Eeyore and make snarky remarks. And you're right about exactly one and only one thing: "nobody's fooling anybody anymore."
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:34 PM
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60. Whoever that is. just put them on ignore to keep your blood pressure down
There are certain posters who have nothing but snark to express their lack of compassion. They find everyhing funny these days, even homeless people.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. Yes, changing one's avatar based on pessimism is really compassionate
& shows a real commitment to changing the world into a better place.

Not.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #54
83. people are always dying
and it's always a tragedy. does that mean there can never be an attempt at gallows humor?

I get it, you think the world is ending. I understand. I don't agree with you, but then I obviously have a different worldview. it happens. just take a nice bath, have a nice cup of chamomile tea and relax. then find something small you can fix and fix it. a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. the largest mountain is made of the smallest pebbles. so take a step, pick up a pebble.

or just sit around bitching about how the world is ending and no one seems to be doing anything about it. whatever.
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #83
135. I think you are right!
Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)

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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #54
145. Hmmmmmm.....
Have we, perchance, met before, Sir? :shrug:

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #43
94. As a matter of fact, yes. So why not live in the meantime? Take a chance on making change happen?
Or, we can just give 'change' lip service, don't rock the boar, avoid drama, do nothing, make sure our lives count for nothing.

No thanks. As Mrs. Parker once offered: You might as well live.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #43
106. There was no call for
that now was there?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-26-10 11:34 PM
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65. k*r!!!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:33 AM
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71. you are such a revolutionary
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #71
139. I think we have passed a threshold
The knocking and ridicule may have worked at one time, but I think every time it happens now people are getting more focused and determined. It is no longer intimidating or discouraging people, which is the intent I think. It is creating a white hot fire of determination in people that I have never seen before.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 02:15 AM
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75. Deleted message
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 08:29 AM
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77. An OP because you changed your avatar? Really? nt
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #77
108. Yes, really. Just like the one I posted when I joined, and when I changed it in 2008...
back when DU was more community and less snark.



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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. Sounds like you've really been through some tough times with this avatar change.
I hope you're doing all right.

Remember, stay hydrated and don't try to be a hero.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 08:53 PM
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147. You have truly captured the ridiculousness of this OP in one beautiful post
I wasn't going to respond because this whole OP is just too weird for words but your post was too good.
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austin78704 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 09:46 AM
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81. Throughout the run-up to the election
around here I was told voting third-party was "throwing my vote away."

Kinda ironic these days.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 09:48 AM
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82. No, doing so was still a boneheaded move.
Edited on Sun Jun-27-10 09:54 AM by Sugarcoated
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austin78704 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 04:20 PM
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120. Really? Why?
I can't wait to hear it!
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #120
125. If you can't tell the difference between a Republican and Democratic administration there is no
hope for you.

It's one thing to say "I am disappointed that not enough progress has been made". It's another to be so utterly blind that you can't see there is no difference.
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austin78704 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #125
134. That's a gorgeous example of one of the worst
kinds of bullshit that gets kicked around in here.

I never stated that there is no difference between republicans and democrats. Never at all, not once, ever. I very clearly asked why voting third-party was boneheaded. You have executed a straw man attack.

It's a real shame there's nothing in the new rules about THAT sort of behavior.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 01:21 AM
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144. You wanted to know why people told you voting third party was throwing yhour vote away
The reason is that its a two party system and voting for a party that has no chance of winning is pretty much taking yourself out of the equation. The election is decided on the number of people voting republican vs the number of people voting democratic. People who acknowledge that there is a substantial difference between the two parties choose to be part of the process rather than remove themselves from it by voting for someone that has no/chance.

Why would pointing that out be against the rules? On the other hand promoting third parties is against the rules.
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austin78704 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 08:18 PM
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146. You're right
That is exactly what I wanted. Instead, what I got was accused of equating both major political parties. Which is bullshit. If everyone else is having apples or oranges, and I want a banana, that doesn't mean I equate apples and oranges, it means I want a goddamned banana.

As to your "point" that voting third party makes for a wasted vote because third parties can't possibly win, explain to me why there are presidents who were neither republican nor democrat. Besides that, by your logic, democrats in Texas shouldn't even bother voting, since we always lose. I imagine you'd be opposed to the notion of all Texas Democrats giving up, so reconcile your argument against voting third party with that little paradox.

I am not promoting third parties, I am pointing out the piss-poor reasoning of some of the posters around here. Currently, that's in regards to their (mis)treatment of third-party voters. To me it seems completely idiotic to bash third-party voters mindlessly instead of trying to win them over to the democratic party. Do you really think the one thing the third-party voters need to win them over to the democrats' side is heaps and heaps of scorn?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 10:09 AM
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84. K&R
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:08 AM
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90. You are...so very, very brave.
I hope you have the strength to carry on after such a brave act.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:15 PM
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98. the cross might be too much to bear
so many pixels discarded .....oh the pain.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:11 PM
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109. If self-important drama could be turned into an alternative fuel,
sometimes DU could power the East coast.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:23 PM
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113. ...
ouch!

:rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 03:09 PM
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119. Purposeless anti-social behavior would be a better bet.
Maybe you could leave your contact information with the hostess.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:17 PM
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127. Mocking self-important nonsense is never purposeless. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:20 PM
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129. I think she's still out there in the hallway. n/t
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:22 PM
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131. Purple monkey dishwasher. n/t
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 11:32 AM
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93. K&R
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:48 PM
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101. K&R




Any great thing accomplished starts with a step. ~ DeSwiss
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:53 PM
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I can imagine this didin't come easily for you, and that is sad.
I'm sorry it is so discouraging. We are in this together.

I'm with you, and so are many others. :(

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 12:53 PM
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104. one is enough, thank you.
Edited on Sun Jun-27-10 12:55 PM by bobbolink
:argh:

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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 01:33 PM
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115. you are right
that much change as you seem to be asking is not possible in a year and half.

I don't understand you.
But I do understand we need more change, but in order to get it you don't shiv the one who is Most Capable and Likely to Change things. Obama is on the path. He has made some historical things happen even in only days and weeks after being in office officially.

Who can do this job, in your opinion, who is this mysterious person that will overthrow centuries of empirical rule, that will make right all the wrongs in one fell swoop. Who is this electable person who won't bother with protocol or adhere to procedures 100s of years old?

I know who you are talking about. But its not one person. The only way you will get the massive change you want is by a Revolution. By pitchforks and torches and a lot of hurt. Its been done many times over the centuries and it's very nasty.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 04:38 PM
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122. As well you should have because nothing has changed. In fact, it's gotten worse.
:cry:

Your avatar is perfect for the nightmare we are living through now.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:23 PM
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132. how's it going? I didn't know you changed it
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:33 PM
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133. Hi!
Edited on Sun Jun-27-10 06:34 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
:hug:

I think I've maybe posted 20 times in the past 2 years, so I haven't been around much. So many of my favorites are no longer around, so I browse and then go back to real life. :(
Glad to see you though! :)
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gleaner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-10 06:50 PM
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140. Don't blame you a bit ...
For me the weeping Liberty says more too. We can all push in our own ways, and I'm sure you will do your best. In the meantime take care of yourself and post some more. I would like to hear your voice.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-10 09:22 PM
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148. Hard to believe some of reactions in this thread. Unconscionable.
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