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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:35 AM
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Poll question: Would you consider Apple to be a progressive company?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:37 AM
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1. The company with sweatshops in SE Asia?
That Apple?
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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:07 PM
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10. Bingo -- automatic disqualifier, IMHO. [n/t]
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:37 AM
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2. They have all the trappings but they are no Google thats for sure. nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:38 AM
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3. A typical American Corporation with a progressive label on it's package. n/t
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:38 AM
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4. Not with their overseas labor practices.
My nephew works for them and is in China half the time at the production facilities. I have heard the stories from someone who has seen it first hand.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:45 AM
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6. No Need for Stories. Here's Actual Reporting
A spate of recent suicides at Foxconn has highlighted the concerns over working conditions inside the giant Longhua factory, where 300,000 workers assemble goods for clients including Apple, Sony, Nintendo, Dell and Nokia.





http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/77636...
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:42 AM
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5. Not a bit
Their innovation and marketing increase demand on earth's natural resources. The amount of production required to create and power all these gadgets is all part of the series of problems that will, if not addressed, lead to early human extinction
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:45 AM
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7. It suffers from schizophrenia
In some ways, it's very forward thinking, i.e., making new products as environmentally friendly as possible.

But in other ways, Apple suffers from the exact same kind of sociopathy that inhabits every single other major corporation in the capitalist world.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:48 AM
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8. since apple controls the apps you can use..no
censoring your choice on something you own is not progressive
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 11:50 AM
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9. Hell no n/t
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:37 PM
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11. No
You don't get things like this half right. They are just another company trying to market to a progressive niche.

We're viewed like any other segment, marks to be harvested.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:38 PM
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12. hmmm, more 'yes' answers than I expected.
Looks like I need to stock up on some extra bridges, the market looks hot!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:39 PM
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13. steve jobs = anti-union.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:40 PM
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14. Yes. I stand by them and what they have done to help the environment.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:30 PM
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25. Agreed - it's great that they found a way to just conjure all the plastics and corrosives they use
instead of getting them from petroleum and strip-mining, like the rest of the manufacturing world.

Also great that when you're done with that iPod or iPhone (which 90% of Apple geeks are when
Steve Jobs says it's time), you just press that little button on the side and it disappears
into another dimension, with no possibility of being tossed in landfills to sit...forever.

:sarcasm:
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spanza Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:40 PM
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15. Oh no! not Apple with its employees committing suicide in China... nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:40 PM
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27. Their suicide rate is lower than the suicide rate throughout China.
Edited on Thu Jun-24-10 01:41 PM by alfredo
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/media-gets-its-facts...

Taiwanese-owned Foxconn has had seven suicides this year. That sounds like a lot, but the firm has an estimated 800,000 workers, more than 300,000 of them at a single plant in Shenzhen.

Although exact figures are hard to come by, even the most conservative estimate for Chinas suicide rate is 14 per 100,000 per year (World Health Organization). In other words, Foxconns suicide epidemic is actually lower than Chinas national average of suicides.

I checked his figures. World Health Organization suicide figures for China (1999) are 13 males and 14.8 females per 100,000 people.

Elderly (65+ years) suicide rates can be as much as 50% higher than youth (18 to 24 years), which means Foxconns suicide rate, with its younger workforce, should be significantly below the national average.

Lets estimate an average of 10 suicides per 100,000 at Foxconn. Just the Shenzhen Foxconn plant alone, with its 330,000 employees, would be expected to have about 33 suicides this year, or 14 so far.


edited to add this:---------------------
The US suicide rate is 11.1% as of 2005.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:42 PM
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16. Ha ha ha! HELL NO! They are the biggest hippie scam since Kashi.
PB
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:29 PM
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23. Not to mention Tom's of Maine
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:35 PM
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26. +95
nt
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:43 PM
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17. I think it is pretty clear no company is progressive enough for DU
just about anytime this subject for any company comes up enough naysayers will appear to point out negatives. No person or company is 100 % pure and a large multinational corporation is very unlikely to remain progressively pure in the DU eyes :)
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:50 PM
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18. Not in a million years...
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 12:51 PM
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19. No more and no less than any other computer/technology toy company.
That is, not at all. I don't think that they've marketed themselves as progressive. They market themselves as young and hip.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:24 PM
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20. More progressive than HP, that's for damned sure.
Just look how HP treated the computer company they bought when Carly Fiorina was their CEO.
I think HP bought Compaq, and most of the new jobs that were created there in the next few years were outsourced to India.
The merger was a disaster for HP.

Carly even bragged that they used "churning" at HP, dumping longterm employees, who had been with HP for years and years, only to hire new guys to fill this same slots -- so that HP could give them less benefits and hire them at cheaper wage rates.



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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:26 PM
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21. Bwahahaha!
:rofl:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:28 PM
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22. No, though Id say its consumers on average are more progressive
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 01:29 PM
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24. Hell of a lot more progressive than Dell.
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