Private E2 Stanley A. McChrystal

[Hubert Flottz]

Report for duty in Afghanistan as a Private E2 11 Bravo, ASAP.

Bust him back to E Duce and send him out on patrol like the people he's fukt over all these years. It may make an honest man out of him.

[Hubert Flottz]

1. Undermining the CIC, when the country is fighting on two fronts...

doesn't seem very patriotic to me. I think the "General" and his staff are BushBots. Beware the BushBot!

I once got an article 15 for drinking a Coke I wasn't authorized to drink. My how the military has changed.

[napi21]

2. I remember visiting my son when he graduated from boot camp in Chicago.

The ceremony was great, and the gathering afterwoard was too. My son took us on a tour of the facility and down the stairway were pictures of each US President. At the time the last pic was Clinton. I remember my son changing his tine when he spoke the name President Clinton and I could tell he didn't like him much. I made some remark like "Hmmm, I can tell you don't like him much." He quicly turned around and said No Mam! We are never permitted to speak ill of the Cif. I don't think the Military has changed so much as some arrogant officers think they can get away with murder!

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Stanley A. McChrystal is one of the many booby traps left throughout

the US government by the Bush Mob. Obama should have cleaned house, but he thought he could trust these criminals and their henchmen. I thought Obama was smarter than that.

[Caliman73]

46. It's kind of like Wall St. though...

I agree that a house cleaning would have been good, but sometimes the most crooked, crazy bastards are the ones who know how to run the show. I remember when I was supervisor at a mental health facility. I was studying to become the program director. There were some scandals and the acting director cleaned house leaving only the people who were above suspicion. It took 2 years, a new director (me cause the acting director "resigned") and a lot of growing pains to recover. Perhaps that is what Obama is wary of especial when we are entangled in 2 wars and the world is watching.

[Hawkowl]

52. Obama is afraid

He hates conflict and will gladly smile and shake hands with anyone who wants to whup his ass. Cowards fail. Simple.

[Liberal_in_LA]

43. Yep, military still have to be very careful about what they say about the prez

[jody]

3. I read the article, link below, very carefully. McChrystal said nothing disrespectful.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

[Hubert Flottz]

7. "Are you asking about Vice President Biden?" McChrystal says with a laugh. "Who's that?"

"Biden?" suggests a top adviser. "Did you say: Bite Me?"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

[jody]

9. Read the statement in context. McChrystal and his staff were preparing for Q&A. RS quoted an

exchange of lighthearted humor between people engaged in a job that has to be incredibly stressful.

Now, flipping through printout cards of his speech in Paris, McChrystal wonders aloud what Biden question he might get today, and how he should respond. "I never know what's going to pop out until I'm up there, that's the problem," he says. Then, unable to help themselves, he and his staff imagine the general dismissing the vice president with a good one-liner.

"Are you asking about Vice President Biden?" McChrystal says with a laugh.

"Who's that?"

"Biden?" suggests a top adviser. "Did you say: Bite Me?"

[pinboy3niner]

17. Intended as humor or not, the comments were disrespectful

More troubling, though, was the general allowing disrespectful and even contemptuous statements to be made by his staff in his presence about the Vice President and senior policy officials. By failing to correct his subordinates, he gave tacit approval to their conduct.

[jody]

19. If a person believes they need a pit-bull for protection, buys a pit-bull, and the pit-bull snaps at

the owner, is the pit-bull to blame or its owner?

[pinboy3niner]

23. This is the U.S. Armed Forces...

...where such conduct can be punished, including by courts-martial, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

[jody]

26. OK, the issue is supposed to be about RS article quotes of McChrystal. Please cite the specific

quote from the article for which McChrystal can be charged with a UCMJ violation.

[Hubert Flottz]

20. I agree...The General was very lax.

His attention to that very detail which you mention is not only appalling but it's galling. I wonder just how many more "Bad Apples" are in that barrel? Is the general in the teabragger camp? Is he a good example for the men under him? Should he expect more respect from the men under his command, than he exhibits for the people up the chain who he is subordinate to?

[me b zola]

34. This was not intended as humor

This was yet another act of sabotage by McChrystal on our legally elected government. Hastings, the journalist who broke the story said in an interview last night that it was apparent to him that McChrystal and his "inner circle" were looking to "get their story out there".

Are you familiar with military culture? This is the dick-swinging behavior of someone with a lot of power seeking to undermine the authority of someone that he considers to be weak.

[jody]

49. LOL read histories of staffs of generals who led combat troops and you will find them replete with

similar incidents.

Good Commanders in Chief reward generals for success and don't fire them for mistakes that don't affect their ability to fight and win wars.

CIC that understand that and act accordingly end up winning wars as did Lincoln.

"Grant is a drunkard," asserted powerful and influential politicians to the President at the White House time after time; "he is not himself half the time; he can't be relied upon, and it is a shame to have such a man in command of an army."

"So Grant gets drunk, does he?" queried Lincoln, addressing himself to one of the particularly active detractors of the soldier, who, at that period, was inflicting heavy damage upon the Confederates.

"Yes, he does, and I can prove it," was the reply.

"Well," returned Lincoln, with the faintest suspicion of a twinkle in his eye, "you needn't waste your time getting proof; you just find out, to oblige me, what brand of whiskey Grant drinks, because I want to send a barrel of it to each one of my generals."

Do you think Lincoln should have fired Grant or do you agree with me that Lincoln acted appropriately given Grant's success on the battle field?

[DarthDem]

10. Why Do You Keep Spamming This?

Hint - - if everyone but you thinks that something is a big deal, it probably is.

[Saboburns]

30. His fave movie is Talledega Nights??

Hell, I'd fire him for that. And I adore NASCAR.

[Swamp Rat]

5. Exactamundo!!

I have been saying this all day, but I also think he should be put on permanent, outdoor latrine duty, where his only weapon is a scrub brush and soap.

[Hubert Flottz]

8. 99 years of hard core shit details with no hope for a road guard ribbon

Brand him on the ass he's Done!

[Swamp Rat]

11. Obama needs to start somewhere, and I think McChrystal has handed him a golden opportunity.

Actually, McChrystal should be sent to the Hague along with the rest of Bushler&Co.

[Hubert Flottz]

13. You Bet...

"Obama needs to start somewhere" "should be sent to the Hague" I couldn't agree more.

Our government is infected with neocon henchmen. Bipartisanship with bandits is a losing battle. Mr. Obama needs to open the holy can of whoop-ass, ASAP!

[Swamp Rat]

14. "Bipartisanship with bandits is a losing battle." ¡Exactamundo numero dos!

Obama needs to shift gears right-the-fuck-now! His life may actually depend on this. McChrystal IS a clear and present danger to the President, our soldiers, and the civilians in Afghanistan.

McChrystal: "We've shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force." McChrystal has not stopped doing this, so he must be insane or a war criminal or an insane war criminal.

[Hubert Flottz]

25. I agree the CiC needs to do that thing the drill sergeant always strongly

advised us to do, in every instance. "Get Your Head Out Of Your Ass, Trooper!"

The big gear is in order here and now, if not sooner! His plate runneth over.

The General is a runaway cluster-flop, IMHO.

[unhappycamper]

15. And a jerry can full of diesel.

There's nothing quite like burning shitters.

[opihimoimoi]

6. Its obvious the GOP has contacted the man...hanky panky time...its a plot to denigrate Obama

Fire the dude....,make him clean latrines

[Hubert Flottz]

12. From General To PLO, the twue story of a jive time general F-Up

"Fall Out and Fall In you maggots!"

Obama had better remember the entire Lincoln/McClellan story. Gen. McClellan came back and ran against Lincoln in 1864. Obama needs to kick ass and take names in every department. The BushCo Bandits have infiltrated/booby trapped and contaminated the entire federal government with their cronies and yes-men. Bipartisanship with Bandits is a deal with the devil, IMHO.

[Hubert Flottz]

28. Obama needs to hand the General a peeling knife and a never

ending supply of tiny taters to peel and to tell him to get started, ASAP, if he ever expects to draw a dime of his "Entitlements"

[opihimoimoi]

39. Obama accepted his resignation,,,,he is toast....back to peeling tators

[Hubert Flottz]

41. He's what they used to call a "Dud" when I was in the Army.

He can get a job cleaning up the beach.

[Hubert Flottz]

44. Oh no Obama's replaced a Rabid Bushite with another rabid bushite

More Buypartisanshit!

[opihimoimoi]

51. Them Greek warrior dudes are tough man....he got promise

[Iterate]

16. Firing disloyal generals hasn't worked

Hmmm, dead-enders. So many of them have been fired into a comfortable retirement where I assume they keep their bitching buddies.

I don't really know, so if anyone could enlighten me, if he was to be reduced in rank and reassigned to Guantanamo latrine guard duty would that be the career equivalent to putting his head on a pike at the entrance to the Pentagon? Pending investigation, of course.

[Hubert Flottz]

18. If Bush and Cheney didn't have a "good reason" to fire a general

who didn't "Get With The Program," they made something up. The Purge was very popular during the Bush-Co Stealth Dictatorship.

[Iterate]

24. I get that, and not just in the military

Obama seems to be assuming that to end this uncivil war within the US he'll just be more civil, with little or no counter-purge. I remember wondering if his first act of office shouldn't be a review of all hires and advancements in the previous eight years, starting with justice, the DOD, and Interior.

[Robert DAH Bruce]

21. I love it!

K&R!

[greytdemocrat]

22. Let the President deal with him.

POTUS gets to make the ultimate call here. Does anyone really think busting a General to private is going to endear Democrats to the military???

And honestly, if this General had been under Bu$hCo, everyone here would be calling him a hero.

[Hubert Flottz]

27. "if this General had been under Bu$hCo"

I think the problem is, that this general still is under BushCo, in his mind!

Edit...You're probably right though Pvt E2 wouldn't be right in his case...PFC would be better. Private Freakin' Civilian.

[Kingofalldems]

29. KP's!! On the road!

[Hubert Flottz]

35. I think the General would make a great pots and pans man...

and after he gets those done he can report to guard mount.

He'd soon be singing that old song that was always so dear to we former Troopers in the old black shoe Army.

:bounce:
GI broom and GI mop,
GI I wish this shit would stop!

[KharmaTrain]

31. Keep Him From Being A GOOP Martyr...

They're just salivating over trying to paint President Obama as "weak on defense" and "losing the war"...rather than him attempting to clean up the messes they caused. Firing McChrystal would not only make him that martyr but also free him to play poster child in the upcomming elections. I'm all for busting his chops...at least get him out of control of this war. He claims he had "poor judgement"...that in itself is reason he should be releived of his current duty and reassigned.

Cheers...

[UTUSN]

32. K&R #3 n/t

[Recursion]

33. I could never understand Army enlisted ranks

E1 is a private and E2 is too? You give a PFC a rocker and then take it away if he makes corporal? It's all very confusing to me.

[Hubert Flottz]

36. Let's Rec and Roll DUers

We don't want the fucker fired we want him on extra duty in some sorry shit hole with Halliburton KB&R supplying his rotten food and stinking water. Maybe an electric shower at the end of the day if he's a real standing tall kind of super trooper.

Ain't no use in a-lookin' down,
Ain't no discharge on the ground,
Won't get bailed out by George W & Dick,
Now grab the shitty end of that stick...your left right yaddda...

[malaise]

37. That would be perfect

Rec

[Hubert Flottz]

42. I'm glad you approve.

:hi:

[Statistical]

38. An officer can't be demoted in rank only dismissed (and then only in General Court Martial)

In a general court martial the accused can choose a Jury of his peers (6 enlisted and 6 officers). That makes securing a conviction (just like civilian world requires unanimous agreement) difficult at best.

At best McChrystal could be court martialed and dismissed with a discharge of something other than Honorable.

General Court Martial is the highest level of court martial. In a Summary court martial anyone above grade of E-5 can't be reduced more than one grade. In a special court martial no commissioned officer can be dismissed or reduced in grade.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courts-martial_in_the_United_States#General_Court-Martial

Dreams of of a private McChrystal are just that, fantasies. Even a SGT (E-5) has significant protections under UCMJ system.

[Hubert Flottz]

40. I think he's a bad apple anyway.

If the president says, clean that shitter over there maggot, can the general refuse a direct order from the CIC in time of two wars.

Does the UCMJ say how many push-ups the president can administer?

[Gaedel]

47. An officer must be tried by his "peers"

Unless they have changed it, a GCM for an officer requires each member of the court to be of equal or higher rank than the person being tried.

If you try him, you will have to bring in virtually every 4 star in the army for the trial (and you think they will send him to Leavenworth?).

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Some of us have pointed this out

but why bother?

Soldiers can lose stripes and lose stripes in the field administratively. Officers have to face a court martial

[PacerLJ35]

45. A few things to consider...

First of all, McChrystal is a career infantry and special operations operator. He's probably been out on patrol more than all those young infantry guys in an entire platoon have done combined. You make it sound like he'd say "oh noz! I have to be an infantry guy?" Come on, be smarter than that...he's been infantry for 30+ years.

Second, you can't demote officers to enlisted ranks. They can only be dismissed from service and given some kind of discharge under other than honorable conditions. This action, while meriting his resignation, does not merit being dismissed. Officers who get dismissed typically have committed grave crimes (like felonies). It is appropriate based on what he said that he could be fired, but I think even Non-Judicial Punishment would probably be over the line considering it was a one-time offense and his actual words didn't actually voice contempt for the office of the President...the legal precedent for "contempt" would be more akin to McChrystal getting on the news and saying the President was a failure, a traitor, et al and he didn't say anything along those lines.

Always remember that he wasn't a general his entire career. "All those people he's fukt"...well, he's served under many a general himself. I'm pretty sure he's been there, done that.

[Hubert Flottz]

48. Obama could tell him,

"Get down and give me 4567890987654321234545678789900998776776554432211 Trooper!"

[indy_thinker33]

50. Well Said

Unfortunately I think many on here never served. He shouldn't have made the comments, but I don't think he should have resigned either.

[Obamanaut]

54. +1 nt

[Heywood J]

53. Patton didn't get fired for slapping a soldier.

But Patton was a better general and still got punished...