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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-10 02:26 PM
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Democratic Underground is changing. It's time to change the way we run it.
As you know, Barack Obama is the first Democratic President since DU was created back in 2001. Nearly a year-and-a-half into his administration, it is apparent that having a Democrat in the White House presents new and difficult challenges for the DU community.

The DU Administrators have long been frustrated with the persistent undercurrent of negativity and conflict here, which has been exacerbated by the lack of a common villain in the form of George W. Bush. But we have been reluctant to make changes to the way we run the site out of fear that we might do more harm than good. The problems we face are extraordinarily complicated, and despite (or perhaps because of) nearly a decade of administering this site we tend to be fairly skeptical of our own ability to effect broad-based changes that will improve DU for the majority of our members.

So we have been banging our heads against the wall for a long time trying to figure out what we can or should do to try to make DU "better." We are committed to maintaining Democratic Underground as a community that welcomes a wide range of Democratic and progressive viewpoints. Now that we have a Democratic President, we will remain open to members who are generally critical of him, members who are generally supportive of him, and the majority of members who do not fall neatly into either camp. We considered many possible approaches -- from adding lots of new rules to getting rid of most of them -- and eventually came to realize that the DU rules we already have are actually pretty good. But we do not all share a consistent view of what they mean or how they should be enforced now that the larger political environment has changed.

So, our goal is to get everyone back on the same page. To be clear, we are not promising that all the discussions here are going to be "nicer," or that you will no longer have to read stuff on DU that you find annoying -- in fact, some of that stuff (depending on your point of view) might get worse rather than better. What we are trying to do is to make it more clear where the limits are. In practice, this means moderating will likely be more aggressive in some areas and less aggressive in others. We have no illusions that this approach will make everyone happy. But we hope by managing expectations and better explaining limits, we'll have a few more satisfied people here than we have now.

So after a great deal of consideration we've come up with a proposal to try and make DU a community again.

To be clear: These changes have not been implemented yet. Hopefully we can phase them in over the next couple weeks.


1. A clear, concise version of the DU rules will be pinned to the top of the two General Discussion forums, and will appear whenever someone clicks "Alert".

We believe that most of the DU rules are just common decency and common sense, and if everyone just tried to participate in the spirit of mutual respect it would not be necessary to post a list of rules. Of course, that is just a dream. Here in the real world it is necessary to have some concrete standards so people understand what is expected of them.

With this in mind, we have "boiled down" the DU rules to remove all the explanatory filler and provide a straightforward list of violations. That list is below. This will hopefully make the rules much clearer for everyone -- members, moderators, and even administrators -- and get everyone on the same page. Unfortunately, there will always be some level of subjectivity when deciding what is within bounds and what is not. But we have made every reasonable effort to be both clear and concise, and remove unnecessary gray areas.

Here is the official "list of violations" from the DU rules:

LIST OF RULE VIOLATIONS

{ } Personal Attack - When discussing individual DU members, the following are considered personal attacks:
        - Personal attacks, name-calling, or other insults.
        - Telling someone to "shut up," "screw you," "go away," "fuck off," or the like.
        - Calling someone a liar, or calling a post a lie.
        - Calling someone a conservative, disruptor, or similar.
        - Calling someone a bigot.
        - Belittling someone for being new or having a low post count.
        - Negatively "calling out" someone who is not participating in the discussion.

{ } Broad-brush or Extreme Group Attack - When discussing groups of DU members, the following are considered broad-brush group attacks:
        - Broad-brush attack - intended to paint all people belonging to a particular group in a negative light. (The word "all" can be explicitly stated or implied.)
        - Name-calling - Referring to any group of DU members by names intended to paint them in a negative light.
        - Suggesting that any group of DU members are conservatives, disruptors, or similar.
        - Belittling people who are new or have a low post count.
        - Suggesting that any group of DU members are not Democrats, liberals, or progressives.
        - Suggesting that a particular point of view is required in order to be a Democrat, liberal, or progressive.
        - Note: As a general guideline, if it is possible to identify specific individuals who are being attacked, then it is against the rules. But if the attack is against a vaguely defined group of "some but not all" people, then it might be permitted.

{ } Insensitive - Includes bigotry, hate, ridicule, stereotyping, or insensitivity based on:
        - Race or ethnicity.
        - Gender (women or men).
        - Sexual Orientation.
        - Religion or lack of religion (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, etc.).
        - Geographic region or place of origin.
        - Disability (mental or physical).
        - Weight or other physical characteristics.
        - Use of insensitive terminology ("cocksucker," "cunt," "bitch," "whore," "retard," etc.).

{ } Inflammatory, inappropriate, or over-the-top
        - Any post which is, in the consensus of the moderators, too rhetorically hot, too divisive, too extreme, or too inflammatory.
        - Advocating violent overthrow of the government, or harm toward high-ranking officials.
        - Broad-brush smears toward law enforcement or military service members.
        - Advocating the defeat of the US military, attack against the US, or other overtly anti-American sentiment.
        - Sexually explicit content.
        - Graphic violence, gore, pain, or human suffering (except with a legitimate political purpose, and with a clear warning in the subject line).
        - Asking for medical advice.
        - "Gravedancing" or "gravemourning" when someone is banned.
        - Signature line/avatar image violates DU rules, is controversial, or is likely to cause discussions to go off-topic.

{ } Inappropriate attacks against Democrats
        - Insults against prominent Democrats, such as "Fuck Obama."
        - Name-calling against prominent Democrats. Calling Barack Obama "Barry" or some other name.
        - Repeating Republican partisan attacks against Democrats.
        - Broadly suggesting that there is no difference between Barack Obama and George W. Bush, or that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans. (Arguing that specific policies are the same would be permitted.)
        - Suggesting that President Obama has perpetrated a "con job" or "fraud," or similarly over-the-top assertions of bad faith.
        - Advocating voting against Democrats, or in favor of third-party or GOP candidates.
        - Broad-brush smears against Democrats generally. Broad expressions of contempt toward Democrats generally.

{ } Harassment or threats
        - Any type of threat against another member of this community, either explicit or implied.
        - Any action intended to harm another person -- physically, mentally, emotionally, or otherwise.
        - A sustained or organized effort to demean, belittle, bully, or ostracize another person.
        - Digging up or posting personal information about any private individual, on DU or elsewhere.
        - Stalking someone across discussion threads or forums.

{ } Rule enforcement issues
        - Publicly complaining about rule enforcement.
        - Publicly accusing the moderators/administrators of bias.
        - Publicly "calling-out" the moderators/administrators over specific enforcement action.
        - Continuing an argument from a locked thread or from a thread you have been blocked out of.

{ } Spamming
        - Posting the same message repeatedly.
        - Personal fundraising, for-profit advertising, or selling products or services (except in the DU Marketplace forum, or if given explicit permission from the DU administrators).
        - Posting entirely in capital letters.

{ } Off-topic/Wrong forum
        - Any discussion thread or post that is off-topic for the forum or group in which it is posted.
        - Non-news items posted in the Latest Breaking News forum.
        - Highly speculative "conspiracy theory" topics outside the September 11 forum.
        - Discussion of the Arab/Israeli conflict outside the Israel/Palestine forum.
        - Discussion of purely religious topics outside the Religion/Theology forum.
        - "Rallying the troops" in a forum or group to disrupt elsewhere on the website.

{ } Inappropriate source
        - Websites with a focus on disrupting Democratic Underground and/or smearing DU members.
        - Websites with bigoted content (Holocaust skepticism, Jewish conspiracies, and the like).
        - Note: Linking to right-wing websites is usually permitted, provided the intent is to expose their agenda rather than agree with it.

{ } Copyright violations
        - Excerpt exceeds 4 paragraphs, or does not have a link to the source.

{ } Other (Please explain)


Please note that in this effort, we gave special consideration to what can and cannot be said about prominent Democrats. As you know, the DU rules explicitly state that "Constructive criticism of Democrats or the Democratic Party is permitted." But that comes with a caveat: "When doing so, please keep in mind that most of our members come to this website in order to get a break from the constant attacks in the media against our candidates and our values. Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here." I know many of you believe that any attack against Democrats, no matter how inflammatory or divisive, should be permitted here, but that is not what I believe and it is not what the DU rules say.

Now that we have a Democratic President, I do not think it is unreasonable to expect that he be shown more respect here than the illegitimate, incompetent asshole who previously held the office. He should be referred to as "President Obama," "Barack Obama," or simply "Obama." Calling him derogatory names (including "Barry"), attacking him with content-free insults, or parroting partisan attacks from the McCain/Palin campaign, are all disrespectful to this community as a whole. If you think that is unreasonable, then you are going to have difficulty here going forward. But if you are among the vast majority of people who criticize President Obama in a constructive and respectful manner, you have my appreciation. You are a valued member of this community.


2. When a post is deleted, the author of the post will be able to see the text of the deleted post, and the rule it violated.

When a post is deleted, most people will still see the same old "Name removed/Deleted message" placeholder, but the author of the post will be given access to the full text of that post, along with specific rule it violated. We fully expect that this will cause some consternation from members at first. But it is obviously the right thing to do. Most importantly, it will help educate our members about the DU rules and how they are enforced. Over time, we hope this will help those of you who want to be constructive members figure out how to do so. In addition, it will let the author review the post to see the violation -- we know from experience that people will often forget the stray personal attack they added to the end of an otherwise appropriate post. And finally, it gives a powerful incentive for the moderators and administrators to double-check our work and make sure we are justified in removing a post.


3. When a member has a post deleted from a thread, that member will be automatically blocked from posting again in that thread.

We understand that this idea may upset some people. We understand that nobody wants to be blocked out of a discussion thread because of an honest posting mistake, and we do not want to do that to any of our members. But we believe blocking one person out of a thread is a less draconian solution than locking the entire thread so nobody can participate.

We know many of you are tired of threads getting locked when the original post does not break the rules. We are tired of locking those threads. Members have long complained that under our current approach, a determined person (or group of people) can get a thread locked by repeatedly breaking the rules in the thread so it is almost impossible for the moderators to clean up after them.

If someone is blocked out of a thread after their first deletion, then they have a disincentive to break the rules in the first place. Furthermore, it provides an incentive for other people to alert on rule-breaking posts so the author of those posts can be stopped from causing further damage.

Would this always be fair? Of course not. But our sincere hope is that we could completely stop locking threads when the original post does not break the rules. We also hope that we could completely stop the practice of deleting entire sub-threads -- which often results in "innocent bystanders" having their posts removed unfairly.


4. A uniform approach for dealing with frequent rule-breakers.

Earlier this year we made a number of upgrades to our behind-the-scenes moderating system which allow the moderators to respond much more quickly to alerts. But moderators still do not have a uniform system for dealing with members who repeatedly break the rules. This needs to change.

Going forward, members who break the rules repeatedly will be automatically brought up for regular reviews in the Moderator Forum. When this occurs, the moderators will take a look at the member's recent activity to decide whether it is appropriate to take any additional enforcement action: sending a private message, sending a warning, handing out a suspension, or banning someone outright.

When deciding what action is appropriate, special consideration will be given to determining whether we believe someone is, overall, a constructive and valuable member of our community. Does this person seem to like DU and its members? Does this person act as if they want DU to be a better place? Are this person's deleted posts innocent mistakes rather than malicious and deliberate? Do we think this person makes DU better for the vast majority of our visitors? Does this person have an inclusive attitude toward other members and viewpoints -- freely expressing when they disagree, but doing so with the understanding that their own point of view is not the only one that is valid or welcome here? Do we think this person is likely to improve their behavior?

If the answer to these questions is no, then we are going to ban that person. We aren't going to waste our time with pointless warnings and suspensions to malicious malcontents that will almost certainly be ignored. If, however, we believe that someone is worth trying to "save" we will do what we can to keep them around, including handing out warnings or suspensions in hopes that the person might change their behavior.


We hope that everyone will consider these proposals in the spirit they are offered. We believe this approach will make it easier for everyone who wishes to be a productive member of this community to do so, regardless of ideology. We all know this place is never going to be perfect. But we do have an ideal that everyone should strive for: A Democratic Underground where thoughtful discussion can take place among a broad range of progressive viewpoints, where everyone accepts that disagreements are both necessary and appropriate when they are expressed in good faith, and where problem people are dealt with in a fair and timely fashion. That is the type of community that we wish DU could be. If you agree, we'd love to have you here.


So, what do you think?
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  - I think, minimise the rules  miscsoc   Jun-21-10 09:44 AM   #1 
  - I'm disappointed.  dotymed   Jun-21-10 02:34 PM   #706 
  - that's a concern of mine too, the 3rd party candidate rule  nannah   Jun-21-10 06:21 PM   #1043 
  - How is that different from Joe Lieberman's independent candidacy?  SoxFan   Jun-22-10 09:00 AM   #1423 
  - I say PISS OFF!!!!!!  sasquuatch55   Jun-21-10 08:37 PM   #1189 
  - Missed the point of the OP there.  Forkboy   Jun-21-10 09:28 PM   #1241 
  - Wow  dotymed   Jun-22-10 08:58 AM   #1422 
  - -1. nt  SammyWinstonJack   Jun-22-10 02:43 PM   #1511 
  - Guess supporting Bernie Sanders (I) who has always caucused  mtnester   Jun-22-10 04:55 AM   #1374 
  - interesting point. nt  tomp   Jun-22-10 07:20 AM   #1394 
  - No, Sanders has been, and will remain (it looks to me) supportable on DU  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-22-10 01:26 PM   #1493 
     - Really now...  BolivarianHero   Jun-22-10 01:48 PM   #1497 
        - That would depend if you want to keep the idea of a party, or if you just have left wing views  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-22-10 02:19 PM   #1509 
        - Doesn't some of that depend upon timing and context? For example, If Blanche Lincoln  No Elephants   Jun-24-10 05:29 AM   #1674 
        - Any left leaning third party will take votes from Democrats and therefore will likely get  No Elephants   Jun-24-10 04:50 AM   #1673 
  - also disappointed, but not surprised. nt  tomp   Jun-22-10 07:21 AM   #1395 
  - IIt appears the conservatives have won yet another small victory. Chip, chip, chip. eom  NorthCarolina   Jun-22-10 12:30 PM   #1479 
  - +1  1Hippiechick   Jun-23-10 04:39 AM   #1618 
  - I agree dotymed  libmom74   Jun-22-10 12:46 PM   #1481 
  - I'm cautiously pleased!  summerintx   Jun-22-10 11:27 PM   #1605 
  - Maybe third parties should establish their own boards?  DailyGrind51   Jun-24-10 06:20 AM   #1679 
  - How about "always be as kind as you can"  BanzaiBonnie   Jun-22-10 06:04 AM   #1383 
  - Watch out for the electric shocks too  Botany   Jun-21-10 09:44 AM   #2 
  - .  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:51 PM   #536 
  - I still think certain topics should not be buried in DU's waste bin far away from view.  no limit   Jun-21-10 09:45 AM   #3 
  - +1  Deep13   Jun-21-10 10:11 AM   #62 
  - + 1000. Sunshine!  chimpymustgo   Jun-21-10 12:53 PM   #543 
  - Very important.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 01:07 PM   #563 
  - + googleplex  Greyskye   Jun-21-10 02:26 PM   #690 
  - I dont get why they don't just apply the rules like with any other threads.  no limit   Jun-21-10 03:02 PM   #757 
     - It really mystifies me.  Greyskye   Jun-21-10 06:32 PM   #1050 
     - and it throws the thread into the lion's den down under, where the same people  SoCalDem   Jun-21-10 10:35 PM   #1300 
     - what makes you doubt that is their actual intention? nt  tomp   Jun-22-10 07:24 AM   #1396 
        - Well, not being able to get a response is starting to get a bit frustrating  no limit   Jun-22-10 09:14 AM   #1429 
  - You're importing that emotional language.  Bolo Boffin   Jun-21-10 05:05 PM   #956 
     - I don't see what's emotional about what I said  no limit   Jun-21-10 06:13 PM   #1032 
        - Well Said!  mirrera   Jun-21-10 07:43 PM   #1122 
        - "buried in DU's wastebasket far from view" - emotional language  Bolo Boffin   Jun-21-10 10:35 PM   #1299 
           - It's realistic language...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-10 05:33 AM   #1376 
           - It may reflect how you feel about the issue, but it's still emotional language.  Bolo Boffin   Jun-22-10 01:11 PM   #1489 
              - Those threads would not appear on the greatest page because nobody would recommend them  no limit   Jun-22-10 01:18 PM   #1491 
              - The poster was complaining that those kinds of threads were making it up there  Bolo Boffin   Jun-22-10 05:56 PM   #1549 
              - It's not emotional language, it's reality...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-10 03:29 PM   #1523 
                 - It is how you feel about the situation. It's emotional language.  Bolo Boffin   Jun-22-10 06:02 PM   #1551 
                    - No, the reality of the situation's just been explained to you. Yr language is merely emotional...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-23-10 01:32 AM   #1610 
                       - Still haven't gotten any answers as to why it's set up that way. Very frustrating  no limit   Jun-23-10 10:49 AM   #1653 
                          - Actually it seems I/P threads are now showing up on latest page.  no limit   Jun-23-10 11:37 AM   #1655 
           - The argument you are making is about as logical as an argument for free speech zones  no limit   Jun-22-10 09:13 AM   #1428 
              - No, because this is the Internet - and you didn't deny you're looking for promotion, not discussion  Bolo Boffin   Jun-22-10 01:06 PM   #1485 
                 - Are protestors that don't want to be confied to speech free zones just looking for promotion?  no limit   Jun-22-10 01:12 PM   #1490 
                    - You persist in your silly analogy.  Bolo Boffin   Jun-22-10 06:08 PM   #1552 
                       - But why keep it off the greatest page and the latest page? You are not addressing this question  no limit   Jun-22-10 07:03 PM   #1569 
                       - How about a bit less emotional language and a bit more substance?  Violet_Crumble   Jun-23-10 01:41 AM   #1611 
                          - Whatever. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Jun-23-10 09:37 PM   #1668 
  - If applied faithfully, this could work out well.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 09:46 AM   #4 
  - Thank you  demtenjeep   Jun-21-10 01:26 PM   #599 
  - I can't blame your friends for leaving...  SkyDaddy7   Jun-21-10 05:37 PM   #994 
  - Where I didnt expect miracles I did expect and end to the disastrous policies of Bush.  rhett o rick   Jul-01-10 09:46 AM   #1696 
  - Just reading the rules gave me eye fatigue  liberalmike27   Jun-22-10 06:48 PM   #1565 
  - they did not leave because they like the President. they left because  No Elephants   Jun-24-10 06:32 AM   #1680 
  - Sounds good. Thank you. And Thanks to all the Admins and Mods.  berni_mccoy   Jun-21-10 09:46 AM   #5 
  - Facts are neutral. Truth is a principle we should all strive for. One can both praise and criticize  bjobotts   Jun-21-10 11:49 PM   #1329 
  - I like the clarification and itemizing of the rules.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 09:46 AM   #6 
  - Uniformly enforced?  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 11:31 AM   #310 
  - It would be helpful for everyone to know why a thread is deleted or locked out.  LiberalFighter   Jun-21-10 11:41 AM   #348 
  - When a reason is even given to a locked piece it is too often bogus  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:05 PM   #410 
  - I second what tekisui points out.  dixiegrrrrl   Jun-21-10 12:07 PM   #415 
  - Sounds like a good plan. nt  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 09:47 AM   #7 
  - I think trying to herd Democratic cats is a thankless job  Warpy   Jun-21-10 09:49 AM   #8 
  - Your comment about "kvetching about whole groups" is insightful.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:01 AM   #33 
  - Perhaps the line should be drawn between thoughtful criticism  Warpy   Jun-21-10 10:16 AM   #72 
  - This is a step in the right direction ...  RoyGBiv   Jun-21-10 10:34 AM   #137 
  - No, they just refused to do it.. Even when explicitly asked for a reason  Grinchie   Jun-21-10 05:40 PM   #1003 
  - Does this mean I can  femrap   Jun-21-10 11:57 AM   #395 
  - Well, they're people too, so yes  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:23 PM   #458 
     - I enjoyed  femrap   Jun-21-10 12:38 PM   #497 
        - Thank you  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:39 PM   #503 
           - I Gues You're Safe If You Quote Zinn? I Enjoyed Your Profile Too.  theFrankFactor   Jun-21-10 02:01 PM   #657 
           - Mithreal, that is exactly what I am worried about.  dotymed   Jun-21-10 02:47 PM   #727 
              - Not only you, but neither would Michael Moore, Wm. Greider, Tom Hayden, Schultz, Olbermann . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 02:59 PM   #749 
                 - Ironic, isn't it. At least until they get back in line.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 03:35 PM   #822 
                 - True . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-22-10 09:44 PM   #1591 
                 - grayson or moore has never said Obama is an asshole or he is worse than Bush...  Whisp   Jun-25-10 11:55 PM   #1689 
  - Please open up that discussion; I think it would be very helpful for we users as  blondeatlast   Jun-21-10 02:44 PM   #719 
  - Is anything going to be done about the attempts to enforce messaging in Topics?  Go2Peace   Jun-22-10 09:56 PM   #1593 
  - For me, the rule makes sense.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:16 AM   #73 
  - That's covered more by the rule against slurs against other posters  Warpy   Jun-21-10 10:19 AM   #84 
  - Agreed, I experience that as a smear, too  treestar   Jun-21-10 11:19 AM   #272 
  - The whole 'DLC' slur has always been odd to me  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:21 AM   #279 
  - i am aware of only 3 people who are actual DLCers here.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:35 AM   #319 
     - The DLC are now the New Democrats as well as the Third Way.  saracat   Jun-21-10 11:41 AM   #347 
        - Whatever that means  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:42 AM   #350 
        - Actually the DLC, Third Way, is a useful classification  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-21-10 12:15 PM   #436 
        - My point was best made by Skinner below:  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:20 PM   #449 
        - It's been done, many a times  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-21-10 12:25 PM   #465 
           - I do remember that  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:29 PM   #477 
        - It could be useful ...  RoyGBiv   Jun-21-10 01:49 PM   #635 
           - Very true, and I will only disagree  nadinbrzezinski   Jun-21-10 05:53 PM   #1017 
        - I am not slurring anything! I am stating a fact as to who the DLC are.  saracat   Jun-21-10 12:18 PM   #445 
           - Once again, Skinner addressed my concerns below:  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:21 PM   #451 
           - Food for thought  tbyg52   Jun-21-10 05:23 PM   #972 
        - +1 Damn straight  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:17 PM   #441 
  - It's like how RWers throw around "socialism."  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-22-10 02:48 PM   #1516 
  - I will miss grave-dancing and grave-mourning  hfojvt   Jun-21-10 12:53 PM   #544 
  - I guess we could grave dance on grave dancing then  davidpdx   Jun-22-10 01:51 AM   #1362 
  - There should be a bright red line around slamming groups of people here  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 02:00 PM   #651 
  - People of faith are especially slammed around here.  AspenRose   Jun-21-10 06:19 PM   #1041 
  - Very true.  Sugarcoated   Jun-21-10 07:46 PM   #1127 
  - And people who aren't Christian  Goblinmonger   Jun-21-10 07:50 PM   #1133 
  - I don't have a problem with "non-believers" questioning my reasoning for what I "believe"  Sugarcoated   Jun-21-10 08:12 PM   #1157 
  - They can post whatever they want, if it's done respectfully  AspenRose   Jun-22-10 06:38 AM   #1390 
  - You might find it curious  Goblinmonger   Jun-22-10 08:16 AM   #1408 
     - Bluntness is different than  Sugarcoated   Jun-22-10 11:26 PM   #1604 
  - Not on DU  SoxFan   Jun-22-10 08:58 AM   #1421 
     - That's an artifact of the shortage of atheist sex scandals. nt  eppur_se_muova   Jun-22-10 08:23 PM   #1581 
     - Well there you go, I've only "believers" attacked, and not only believers in religions  Sugarcoated   Jun-22-10 11:19 PM   #1603 
  - OK  Bluebear   Jul-01-10 09:09 PM   #1700 
  - +1  Ignis   Jun-21-10 09:09 PM   #1230 
  - Hopefully, this will stop the people who love Hugo Chavez from attacking those who don't.  TexasObserver   Jun-21-10 05:36 PM   #993 
  - It helps if the people who don't like Chavez would bring some facts.  Forkboy   Jun-21-10 09:31 PM   #1247 
  - On cleaning up your ignore list -  Bolo Boffin   Jun-23-10 09:40 PM   #1669 
  - You can please all the people some of the time  HereSince1628   Jun-21-10 09:49 AM   #9 
  - Totally second this suggestion!  LiberalLovinLug   Jun-21-10 08:04 PM   #1149 
  - i find #2 intriguing.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 09:49 AM   #10 
  - Hey dion!!!  DevonRex   Jun-21-10 09:55 AM   #21 
  - where have YOU been young lady?! i was wondering if you had cruise missled off into  dionysus   Jun-21-10 09:59 AM   #28 
     - Oh, I've just been sipping iced lattes on the yacht I bought  DevonRex   Jun-21-10 10:38 AM   # 
        - hmmmm, lattes.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:40 AM   #156 
  - #3 is amazing  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 10:08 AM   #53 
  - "Posting entirely in capital letters."  Vickers   Jun-21-10 09:50 AM   #11 
  - #3 is genius  CabalPowered   Jun-21-10 09:51 AM   #12 
  - I think that change will have the greatest impact.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 09:53 AM   #14 
  - In a perfect world though..  CabalPowered   Jun-21-10 10:28 AM   #113 
     - Interesting, but unsurprised by how it would be enforced, implemented  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 03:39 PM   #829 
  - I agree. Thread flooding is one of the most obnoxious tactics on message boards.  anigbrowl   Jun-21-10 12:20 PM   #450 
  - or. TURN ON CNN...NOW!!  SoCalDem   Jun-21-10 10:54 PM   #1310 
  - Yes, indeed. nt  blondeatlast   Jun-21-10 02:49 PM   #729 
  - Agreed.  City Lights   Jun-21-10 03:18 PM   #786 
  - Totally agree! An end to obnoxious thread-killers!  Maeve   Jun-21-10 05:20 PM   #970 
  - This is the best item you have added---  snooper2   Jun-21-10 09:52 AM   #13 
  - yeah, this is a good idea  miscsoc   Jun-21-10 09:55 AM   #20 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Jun-21-10 09:53 AM   #15 
  - thank you for this thoughtful and thorough explanation. DU is, and has been, for ma as so many  niyad   Jun-21-10 09:54 AM   # 
  - On the subject of gravedancing/grave mourning, it's difficult to stop that urge  Gormy Cuss   Jun-21-10 09:54 AM   #16 
  - I would like to see an explanation with the tombstones.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 09:58 AM   #26 
  - There is that sort of explanation with at least some TSs  Gormy Cuss   Jun-21-10 10:06 AM   #47 
  - +1000  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:08 AM   #55 
  - Be careful what you wish for.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:15 AM   #69 
  - I understand your reluctance.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:17 AM   #76 
  - Point taken. And we are trying to make "what not to do" clearer for everyone.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:20 AM   #88 
     - "don't act like a jerk all the time."  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 10:25 AM   #103 
     - Unfortunately, when jerks act like jerks, they rarely KNOW that they are acting like jerks.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 10:48 AM   #175 
        - I always know when I'm acting like a jerk.  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 12:22 PM   #457 
           - Because a lot of people who you claim as political comrades post stupidity?  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 12:38 PM   #500 
           - This is close to becoming a thread-jack.  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 03:19 PM   #790 
              - No, I believe I've made my point. Don't want to be . . . uh . . . . rude. nt.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 03:31 PM   #813 
           - sigh....  Divine Discontent   Jun-21-10 05:26 PM   #975 
     - With all due respect, some people have been banned recently...  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:32 AM   #127 
     - +1 n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 10:35 AM   #139 
     - I respectfully disagree  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 10:35 AM   #141 
     - I agree.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 11:00 AM   #209 
     - With all due respect, would your opinion change if the profile of one of these banned people....  Skinner   Jun-21-10 11:23 AM   #286 
     - I'd reallly like to see it happen also. Thank you for considering it. n/t  Catherina   Jun-21-10 11:29 AM   #305 
     - Actually, yes. Yes it would.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 11:39 AM   #339 
     - Where's Will Pitt? There's also nothing "Underground" about this board.  theFrankFactor   Jun-21-10 12:07 PM   #414 
     - Well said  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:21 PM   #452 
     - You don't have to be den of poop-flinging a-holes to be "underground"  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 12:44 PM   #516 
     - Yeah, and that's "exactly" what I'm saying. NOT!  theFrankFactor   Jun-21-10 12:50 PM   #530 
     - What does a "healed" DU look like?  mirrera   Jun-21-10 08:10 PM   #1154 
     - That it did. People were not allowed to speak out against  midnight   Jun-22-10 06:54 PM   #1567 
     - Will Pitt was banned for sending people death threats.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-21-10 04:22 PM   #890 
     - he threatened to kill someone? really? wow, that's really surprising.  Divine Discontent   Jun-21-10 05:29 PM   #976 
     - Yup. And there was more.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-21-10 05:34 PM   #988 
     - dang, I miss all the good stuff!  Justitia   Jun-21-10 05:37 PM   #996 
     - Technically, he broke the rules-- but I hope he comes back one day.  LanternWaste   Jun-21-10 06:37 PM   #1053 
     - Someone went after his mother  spoony   Jun-21-10 10:23 PM   #1286 
     - There's a current DUer who regularly wishes death on other DUers...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-10 06:07 AM   #1384 
     - Because it's completely irrelevant.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-22-10 11:37 AM   #1472 
     - I Had No Idea.  theFrankFactor   Jun-22-10 05:45 PM   #1546 
     - Will Pitt apparently threatened someone with bodily harm...  Hekate   Jun-21-10 04:31 PM   #903 
     - Right, not "Underground".  BobMackenze   Jun-21-10 05:24 PM   #973 
     - I had a lot of problems with Will Pitt  Goblinmonger   Jun-21-10 07:58 PM   #1138 
     - Eeerily reminiscent of Ari Fleischer's admonition  SoCalDem   Jun-21-10 10:39 PM   #1302 
     - +10000 nt  Mojorabbit   Jun-22-10 08:55 AM   #1420 
     - You know, I've not spoken to him, but I bet he understands his banning  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-22-10 07:47 PM   #1574 
     - Well said.  pleah   Jun-22-10 08:10 PM   #1579 
     - Skinner, if the public explanation would be for the benefit of the vast majority of people  Gormy Cuss   Jun-21-10 12:46 PM   #520 
     - would your opinion change  The Green Manalishi   Jun-21-10 12:50 PM   #531 
     - My opinion would. I would like that. Thank you. nt  uppityperson   Jun-21-10 02:02 PM   #659 
     - It's a 360 issue  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 03:22 PM   #794 
     - I don't think it's necessary to explain every banning.  Renew Deal   Jun-21-10 04:54 PM   #941 
     - I recall a member in the past that got banned "for absolutely no reason whatsoever"  Lil Missy   Jun-21-10 04:59 PM   #946 
     - DU already does this with temporary suspensions, no?  janx   Jun-21-10 07:40 PM   #1115 
     - I'd like it done not for profiles, but for individual posts.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-21-10 08:44 PM   #1202 
     - In a nutshell.  Shakespeare   Jun-21-10 08:49 PM   #1209 
     - Well put. nt  Barack_America   Jun-22-10 10:02 AM   #1444 
     - I don't get the need to see it. Kinda like leaving the executed out on the gallows a few extra days  gtar100   Jun-22-10 03:44 AM   #1369 
     - Mine most definately would...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-10 05:58 AM   #1380 
     - Thanks, Skinner. It's your "house," as one of the posters noted, so we need to  SCRUBDASHRUB   Jun-22-10 10:26 AM   #1452 
     - I like this idea...  Blue_Roses   Jun-22-10 11:16 AM   #1467 
     - And I can't recall them not acting like jerks.  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 11:39 AM   # 
     - Lol. How do you even know who I'm talking about?  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 11:41 AM   #346 
     - Yes, nobody is aware of the 8 or so people banned this week.  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:44 AM   #355 
     - And you are assuming I have an issue with each of them?  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 11:46 AM   #361 
     - They were . . . ???  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 01:13 PM   #574 
        - Yes.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jun-21-10 07:49 PM   #1132 
     - And I don't believe it's against the rules to call any anonymous former/banned members jerks.  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 11:53 AM   #385 
     - ALL of those people NEVER made a SINGLE non-jerky post?  Ignis   Jun-21-10 02:50 PM   #730 
     - This is true. n/t  donco6   Jun-21-10 11:58 AM   #396 
     - +1  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:25 PM   #463 
     - I agree. This is aided by the posts by highly opinionated posters  Bluenorthwest   Jun-21-10 12:41 PM   #508 
     - I know I am restating this, but I do think it would be beneficial  Raine1967   Jun-21-10 11:07 AM   #232 
        - AN ANNOUNCEMENTS FORUM. Great idea!!!  chimpymustgo   Jun-22-10 12:53 PM   #1482 
  - I like it. n/t  tammywammy   Jun-21-10 10:17 AM   #77 
  - Sounds like what this poster is asking for is transparency  depakid   Jun-21-10 10:24 AM   #99 
  - I think you should put it out there...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 10:41 AM   #157 
  - It's been done before  arcadian   Jun-21-10 10:49 AM   #178 
  - Not necessarily a bad thing.  Raine1967   Jun-21-10 10:57 AM   #197 
  - Since many have offered suggestions  JonLP24   Jun-21-10 11:37 AM   #329 
  - "like kicking someone when they're down"  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:00 PM   #401 
     - .  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 12:05 PM   #411 
     - mods are only human  branders seine   Jun-21-10 07:49 PM   #1131 
     - I find it extremely difficult to believe one of the admin ever did such a thing  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-21-10 03:35 PM   #823 
     - .  superduperfarleft   Jun-21-10 03:41 PM   #832 
     - I stand corrected.  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-21-10 03:56 PM   #848 
        - IMO it was a zombie  CabalPowered   Jun-21-10 04:34 PM   #907 
     - Poster is citing a specific example. It was a few days ago.  Hissyspit   Jun-21-10 03:44 PM   #837 
        - I saw that. It suprised me.If anything actually can anymore.  saracat   Jun-21-10 03:51 PM   #844 
        - i saw it too -- shameful.  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 06:19 PM   #1040 
           - Agreed. Stunningly disrespectful.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 06:50 PM   #1067 
              - You mean the OP, right?  Goblinmonger   Jun-21-10 08:02 PM   #1146 
     - *raises hand*  EarlG   Jun-21-10 07:10 PM   #1086 
     - Actually, Earl, I think you were very restrained.  quiet.american   Jun-21-10 07:18 PM   #1094 
     - a little witty sarcasm ....  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 07:44 PM   #1123 
     - You have an embarrassingly low standard of wittiness.  spoony   Jun-21-10 09:54 PM   #1263 
        - I applaud you...  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 10:02 PM   #1272 
           - Frankly, just because he "said" it doesn't mean I "know" it  spoony   Jun-21-10 10:26 PM   #1290 
              - Wow  HughMoran   Jun-22-10 06:28 AM   #1387 
              - My sentiments exactly. (nt)  redqueen   Jun-22-10 07:17 AM   #1393 
              - You're not used to seeing people being honest, I know  spoony   Jun-22-10 08:14 AM   #1407 
              - Never the less it is his board  demtenjeep   Jun-22-10 08:29 AM   #1412 
              - Funny coming from someone who has called out mods more than  spoony   Jun-22-10 08:40 AM   #1415 
                 - Over a dozen now  HughMoran   Jun-22-10 09:01 AM   #1424 
                    - Good to see you're updating your files  spoony   Jun-22-10 10:35 AM   #1455 
                       - 13  HughMoran   Jun-22-10 11:23 AM   #1470 
                          - Uh, I thought it was "over a dozen" before. Only now is it 13?  spoony   Jun-22-10 10:17 PM   #1595 
              - The poster in question said he was a troll in his own post  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-22-10 10:46 AM   #1460 
     - IMHO . Well done  Uzybone   Jun-21-10 08:01 PM   #1145 
     - See, that's part of the problems that people are addressing in this thread.  Hissyspit   Jun-21-10 08:33 PM   #1180 
     - You're not alone.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 09:06 PM   #1222 
     - Completely agreed, and you're not alone.  inna   Jun-23-10 04:33 AM   #1617 
     - Unbelievable.  redqueen   Jun-21-10 08:52 PM   #1212 
     - I thought it was entirely appropriate...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 09:27 PM   #1240 
     - Quite right - I can't count the times I've been lectured about some T'Sed "well respected" OP, and  apocalypsehow   Jun-21-10 09:56 PM   #1265 
     - "I think "boohoo" was relatively restrained"  spoony   Jun-21-10 09:47 PM   #1258 
     - I went back and looked into it after the fact  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-22-10 08:41 AM   #1416 
     - So Your Mature Measured Response Looks Very Much Like a Violation of the Rules.  theFrankFactor   Jun-22-10 06:14 PM   #1555 
     - "a long time well-respected member"? Did you read that "members" (now-locked) thread(s)?  apocalypsehow   Jun-21-10 09:06 PM   #1221 
  - Indeed.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:24 PM   #459 
  - Good idea ...  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 01:06 PM   #561 
  - I don't think this is necessary.  Renew Deal   Jun-21-10 01:15 PM   #577 
  - I totally agree. It is hard to make "community" when so many of your heroes are tombstoned  loudsue   Jun-21-10 11:23 AM   #281 
  - Indeed  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:18 PM   #444 
  - Maybe we need a cemetery forum, where they all end up, along with the post that finally did them in  SoCalDem   Jun-21-10 10:55 PM   #1312 
  - I know, no gravedancing is going to be hard, but if those are the rules so be it...  davidpdx   Jun-22-10 02:03 AM   #1364 
  - From a relative newbie, thanks.  Scuba   Jun-21-10 09:54 AM   #17 
  - I like this, it is clear and concise, imo  Spazito   Jun-21-10 09:55 AM   #18 
  - Certain topics almost guarantee flame wars.  TheCowsCameHome   Jun-21-10 09:55 AM   #19 
  - So open discussion of DU's rules and policies is still out?  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 09:56 AM   #22 
  - maybe because it's Skinner's site and his rules?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 09:57 AM   #23 
  - Yes, and this policy is currently driving members and donors away.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:03 AM   #39 
  - There used to be an ask the mod forum. I think it should return.  saracat   Jun-21-10 10:15 AM   #71 
  - Agreed. Bring back Ask the Admin.  chimpymustgo   Jun-21-10 02:35 PM   #709 
  - I'd love to see ATA come back. n/t  Jamastiene   Jun-21-10 03:37 PM   #825 
  - amen.  Duppers   Jun-21-10 03:48 PM   #840 
  - I'd prefer resurrection of the hate mailbag before ATA  CabalPowered   Jun-21-10 04:50 PM   #931 
  - +1  Bonobo   Jun-21-10 07:59 PM   #1139 
  - i'm pretty sure you are free to PM the admins or mods with that kind of stuff.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:17 AM   #78 
  - They are not obligated to respond, though.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:19 AM   #86 
  - That forum mite work were it members only...  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-21-10 11:28 AM   # 
     - THat would work.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 11:36 AM   #325 
     - +1  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 01:30 PM   #605 
  - It's more efficient to have an open discussion.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:19 AM   #87 
  - Keeping it and its response hidden is a method to prevent us from 'organizing'.  Bonobo   Jun-21-10 08:01 PM   # 
  - If one is predisposed towards suspicion and paranoia  LanternWaste   Jun-21-10 10:59 AM   #206 
  - I think if you read through this thread you will find I am not alone.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 11:04 AM   #226 
     - Again, "if one is predisposed towards paranoia and...."  LanternWaste   Jun-21-10 03:47 PM   #838 
  - Agree . . . and limiting donations ... and doing harm to info here/research . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 01:19 PM   #584 
  - Have you messaged a mod and asked them?  Goblinmonger   Jun-21-10 08:05 PM   #1151 
  - You are right, I am gone. n/t  sandyj999   Jun-22-10 02:11 PM   #1507 
  - I'm a "donor" and it's my community too.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:19 PM   #447 
  - I'm a Safeway customer.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 04:19 PM   #884 
     - Really? Safeway isn't part of your community?  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 04:44 PM   #921 
     - $16 for a half-case is irrelevant to our community relationship.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 06:36 PM   #1051 
        - Actually, no.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 06:48 PM   #1065 
           - Not everyone has the same goals.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 07:02 PM   #1077 
              - Please elaborate on "to effect political change"  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 07:19 PM   #1095 
                 - I came here hoping to help make the term "conservative" radioactive. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 09:07 PM   #1223 
                    - Good, me too.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 09:58 PM   #1269 
     - You mean just because you buy your beer there, you're not automatically on the Board of Directors?  Hekate   Jun-21-10 04:58 PM   #945 
        - That the place means more to me than it means to a certain other faction  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 06:50 PM   #1069 
           - I think you meant "can't"  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 07:08 PM   #1080 
              - Alright, thanks for the smile. But no, I don't mean can't until I hear  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 07:23 PM   #1098 
                 - Democratic Underground LLC is a democracy of three.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 09:10 PM   #1231 
                    - There are alternatives. Please consider.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 09:58 PM   #1266 
  - And until recently, DC was Bush's personal playground.  Daemonaquila   Jun-22-10 12:26 AM   #1345 
  - To be clear, broad discussions of DU policies are sometimes permitted.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:30 AM   #117 
     - Could you elaborate on this point?  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:38 AM   #149 
     - Maybe because the warning isn't specific enough as to what the problem was?  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 01:22 PM   #593 
     - What does "sometimes" mean here and why did you need to waffle on that statement?  Bonobo   Jun-21-10 08:08 PM   #1153 
        - I'm still waiting for answers as well.  Barack_America   Jun-22-10 10:07 AM   #1445 
  - Thank you. I like all of this except banning a person from a thread for one violation.  FourScore   Jun-21-10 09:57 AM   #24 
  - I agree.  Javaman   Jun-21-10 10:04 AM   # 
  - related to this is the likely chance the thread-blocked person will just start another thread  Kali   Jun-21-10 10:25 AM   #104 
  - I was thinking the same thing. n/t  FourScore   Jun-21-10 01:26 PM   #601 
  - Good point. Sometimes a comment can be misinterpreted.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 01:32 PM   #608 
  - Banning in the second offense would be OK. It works with soccer.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-21-10 08:52 PM   #1213 
  - Thanks for doing all that you are doing. I will do my best to abide by the rules.  Happyhippychick   Jun-21-10 09:57 AM   #25 
  - Love #3. The 'Inappropriate Sources' clairification is good too. Also...  onehandle   Jun-21-10 09:58 AM   #27 
  - I don't see anything here about being denied the opportunity to  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-21-10 09:59 AM   #29 
  - It was mentioned in the OP:  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:02 AM   #35 
  - Good. Positive move.  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-21-10 10:04 AM   #42 
     - I even wish there was a forum, or group, for discussion of the latest right wing memes.  The Green Manalishi   Jun-21-10 01:02 PM   #555 
        - Maybe even Du should provide a news alert that's always on the main page?  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-21-10 01:19 PM   #587 
        - I like that. Call it 'Latest Lies' forum, or such.  The Green Manalishi   Jun-21-10 01:41 PM   #621 
           - "Latent Lies." Superb; I REALLY like this idea. nt  blondeatlast   Jun-21-10 03:02 PM   #754 
              - There are 2 that might fit the bill:  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-22-10 03:56 PM   #1528 
        - That's an excellent idea. nt  blondeatlast   Jun-21-10 03:01 PM   #752 
  - Yes, you can do it.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:08 AM   #54 
  - Wow! Thanks Skinner!  The Backlash Cometh   Jun-21-10 10:21 AM   #93 
  - Geez, that's John Stewart's whole show, isn't it?  Deep13   Jun-21-10 03:13 PM   #780 
  - I have a question about threads that get bumped into the "State Forums"  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 09:59 AM   #30 
  - The LBN moderators need to put stuff somewhere.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:18 AM   #80 
     - Yeah. It's kind of a gray area. I was thinking that GD might be an appropriate forum  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 10:33 AM   #130 
     - When something gets bumped,  Raine1967   Jun-21-10 11:50 AM   #377 
     - Perhaps there should be a timer for LBN? Before moving.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 01:35 PM   #610 
        - I might be wrong on this  Goblinmonger   Jun-21-10 08:10 PM   #1155 
           - Thanks. Some are taken away pretty durn fast even on slow news days.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 08:36 PM   #1187 
  - I think it will be better to assess members on their history  SecularMotion   Jun-21-10 10:00 AM   #31 
  - And the reverse.  sarge43   Jun-21-10 10:33 AM   #132 
  - very true!  dana_b   Jun-21-10 12:59 PM   #550 
     - Yeah, if we were perfect, we wouldn't need rules.  sarge43   Jun-21-10 04:07 PM   #868 
        - Past behaviour is taken extensively into account for warnings, suspensions and bannings  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-22-10 04:14 PM   #1530 
  - Amen! Amen! Amen!  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 10:43 AM   # 
  - I can think of more than one who regularly oversteps the bounds of respectful discourse  IDemo   Jun-21-10 11:31 AM   #311 
  - "disrupt in subtle ways while staying within the rules. "  theFrankFactor   Jun-22-10 06:18 PM   #1557 
     - Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum  SecularMotion   Jun-23-10 05:24 AM   #1619 
  - I think I actually might start visiting DU more often  qanda   Jun-21-10 10:00 AM   #32 
  - Fairy ' Nuff  dipsydoodle   Jun-21-10 10:01 AM   #34 
  - No sexually explicit posts...  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:21 AM   #91 
     - Punchline of numerous jokes  dipsydoodle   Jun-21-10 11:17 AM   #266 
        - I know. I was making a little joke of my own.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 02:53 PM   #739 
  - Content free posts  zipplewrath   Jun-21-10 10:03 AM   #36 
  - I am sympathetic. But I don't think this would go over well.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:24 AM   #100 
     - +1  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:34 AM   #135 
     - lol  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 10:37 AM   #148 
        - Everyone's a comedian  zipplewrath   Jun-21-10 10:40 AM   # 
           - I actually agree with you  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 10:53 AM   #186 
              - Yeah, I've learned as well  zipplewrath   Jun-21-10 11:03 AM   #220 
                 - I've learned to overlook (& sometimes hide) the types of post to which you refer  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:11 AM   #244 
     - Thanks for that clarification  leftstreet   Jun-21-10 01:15 PM   #578 
     - Isn't there a difference though between a "+1" and an unrec complaint?  wildflower   Jun-21-10 01:23 PM   #596 
     - No it wouldn't go over that well  Mudoria   Jun-22-10 09:15 AM   #1431 
  - It is your ship.  jp11   Jun-21-10 10:03 AM   #37 
  - I like measure #3  blogslut   Jun-21-10 10:03 AM   #38 
  - I think it probably is a violation. We all do something, and  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:50 AM   #179 
  - Re: "Copyright Violations" If I remember correctly this applied only  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 10:03 AM   #40 
  - It's always applied to all forums.  tammywammy   Jun-21-10 10:07 AM   #49 
  - it always did apply to all forums.  mopinko   Jun-21-10 10:28 AM   #114 
     - Thanks for the clarification.  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 10:31 AM   #122 
  - THANK YOU Skinner!  NYC Liberal   Jun-21-10 10:04 AM   #41 
  - I love the clarification of the rules  JonLP24   Jun-21-10 10:04 AM   #43 
  - A problem that occasionally crops up here is "dogpiling." Three or four posters decide that  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 10:04 AM   #44 
  - Yes, the dogpiling tag teams seem to operate with impunity  Lydia Leftcoast   Jun-21-10 10:10 AM   #57 
  - It really IS intimidating--and I'm a old-school Alinskite who isn't much afraid of intimidation.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 10:20 AM   #89 
  - it's the nature of bullying (here) that non-authoritarians are going to get the short end  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 06:17 PM   #1039 
     - +1. This is a good analysis, and the problem is increasing.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 09:13 PM   #1233 
  - Already apparent on this very thread...  depakid   Jun-21-10 10:30 AM   # 
  - Yes... you are about the sixth long termer I've heard from, that  hlthe2b   Jun-22-10 10:55 AM   #1464 
  - Most noteably happening to less than 1000 post posters.  chrisa   Jun-22-10 09:43 AM   #1437 
  - It seems reasonable to me.  jaxx   Jun-21-10 10:04 AM   #45 
  - Skinner, I support anything that prevents personal attacks and prevents some from being treated  saracat   Jun-21-10 10:06 AM   #46 
  - Posts that push the idea "You have to do/believe X in order to be a Dem/Lib/Prog" are TOXIC.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:40 AM   #155 
     - So insisting on support for the Party Platform, such as being pro-choice is TOXIC?  saracat   Jun-21-10 10:44 AM   #162 
     - I thought the platform defined what being "Democrat" means.  donco6   Jun-21-10 11:23 AM   #285 
     - Sounds like party over principle to me.  Spike from MN   Jun-21-10 02:01 PM   #656 
        - Just like FR when the chimperor was in the White House.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 04:45 PM   #923 
        - Except it says nothing of a sort. It's pretty clear in the reading  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 05:04 PM   #954 
        - Look at recent history.  branders seine   Jun-21-10 08:00 PM   #1142 
     - Yeah I always thought that "Dems/Libs/Progs" did share common beliefs  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:08 PM   # 
     - +1 Yes  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:16 PM   #438 
     - I haven't seen many anti-choice posters here, but maybe I'm  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 12:35 PM   #492 
     - There have been many anti-choice comments . And we also have anti choice  saracat   Jun-21-10 01:15 PM   #580 
     - OK. I guess I just didn't see any of those posts.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 01:25 PM   #598 
     - Thats okay.I didn't think you were.I don't see everything either.  saracat   Jun-21-10 01:28 PM   #603 
     - Oh darn. A fellow Democrat may disagree with you.  Tommy_Carcetti   Jun-22-10 01:53 PM   #1499 
     - Thankfully, they've been steadily declining over time.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 03:06 PM   #765 
     - There are things in the official Democratic Party Platform  The Green Manalishi   Jun-21-10 01:11 PM   #570 
     - Ah - the inevitable Nazi comparison. Nice.  donco6   Jun-21-10 01:18 PM   #583 
     - If the jack boot fits.....  The Green Manalishi   Jun-21-10 01:39 PM   #616 
     - Then why have a platform? I can't imagine what is in it that would be offensive  saracat   Jun-21-10 01:42 PM   #625 
        - Respectfully, and at the risk of getting sent off to the Guns forum  The Green Manalishi   Jun-21-10 03:13 PM   #781 
     - But people who aren't Democrats but on the left are allowed  treestar   Jun-21-10 01:30 PM   #604 
     - But I feel I should have the right to express my disdain for those that  saracat   Jun-21-10 01:50 PM   #637 
        - The idea is not to express disdain for the person, but to express grounds  treestar   Jun-21-10 02:44 PM   #721 
           - The point I am making is that I think we need the freedom to express contempt for those Democratic  saracat   Jun-21-10 02:52 PM   #736 
              - "values"? "*our* values"?  branders seine   Jun-21-10 08:05 PM   #1152 
     - They insist on such support already; with the caveat that not all dissent is equally allowed.  D23MIURG23   Jun-21-10 05:15 PM   #964 
     - Platform schmatform.  branders seine   Jun-21-10 07:59 PM   #1140 
     - Yes, it is  SoxFan   Jun-22-10 09:06 AM   #1426 
     - I couldn't have a more positive reaction to anything you've posted here  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 10:55 AM   #189 
     - The Party Platform bothers you? Why?  saracat   Jun-21-10 11:05 AM   # 
        - he didn't say that.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:06 AM   #231 
        - What?  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:07 AM   # 
        - I gave a specific example of promoting the Party Platform in my OP.  saracat   Jun-21-10 11:17 AM   #262 
           - Please don't insult my intelligence  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:28 AM   #304 
              - I wasn't intending to. Please do not put into my posts something that is not there.  saracat   Jun-21-10 11:38 AM   #336 
                 - Defeating Al Qaeda and Combating Terrorism  Make7   Jun-21-10 02:19 PM   #680 
                 - Thank you for a very good answer.I would assume that most Democrats  saracat   Jun-21-10 02:47 PM   #726 
                 - Perhaps you need to clarify what you mean when you say "Democratic Party Platform."  Make7   Jun-21-10 03:33 PM   #817 
                    - I took the Platform at face value but I must admit I "assumed" that  saracat   Jun-21-10 04:07 PM   #864 
                 - I will never put party over principle  xiamiam   Jun-22-10 09:50 AM   #1438 
                 - I'm confused as to your position. Are you saying if someone thinks that  snagglepuss   Jun-21-10 03:39 PM   #830 
        - Quite honestly, I've never read a perfect platform  zipplewrath   Jun-21-10 11:39 AM   #337 
           - So how can I trust I've chosen the right party?  donco6   Jun-21-10 12:05 PM   #409 
              - The other 57 planks?  zipplewrath   Jun-21-10 12:19 PM   #446 
                 - Seriously? I'd have to support a supposed Dem who denies rights to me personally?  donco6   Jun-21-10 12:22 PM   #455 
                    - You're not reading  zipplewrath   Jun-21-10 01:11 PM   #569 
     - I assume this also applies to those arguing that someone IS part of the "in" group?  jgraz   Jun-21-10 11:37 AM   #326 
     - I think just saying "Barack Obama is" x is not a problem  dave29   Jun-21-10 12:29 PM   #478 
     - So the anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-integration, anti-union people can post with impunity as long  loudsue   Jun-21-10 11:40 AM   #342 
     - And have an appropriately Democratic avatar/sig  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:17 PM   #440 
     - Like a peace sign?...nt  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 01:21 PM   #591 
        - .  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 02:00 PM   #652 
        - Probably why I'm still here  spoony   Jun-22-10 08:18 AM   #1409 
     - strawman  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 01:58 PM   #645 
     - How so?  Lorien   Jun-21-10 03:44 PM   #836 
        - Nobody is suggesting something so ludicrous  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 04:05 PM   #861 
     - As long as they're supporting a Dem, why not?  donco6   Jun-21-10 02:14 PM   #671 
     - So pro-war, pro corporate power, pro-animal abuse, anti-environment, anti-gay  Lorien   Jun-21-10 03:42 PM   #833 
     - That's a basic definition of a strawman argument.  Raine1967   Jun-21-10 04:07 PM   #869 
     - I vigorously agree with this. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 04:11 PM   #877 
  - Since President Obama referred to himself as "Barry", I don't understand the obvious  old mark   Jun-21-10 10:06 AM   #48 
  - Obama has long since abandoned the use of Barry.  MadBadger   Jun-21-10 10:10 AM   #56 
  - Agreed. I voted for Barack, not Barry. nt.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 10:13 AM   #68 
  - That does seem a bit of a strange thing to object to  miscsoc   Jun-21-10 10:12 AM   #67 
  - Not reverence. Respect for the office he holds.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:26 AM   #105 
  - You have got to be kidding me  arcadian   Jun-21-10 10:58 AM   #201 
  - Many would argue, myself included, that * was not legally  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 12:40 PM   #506 
  - If you truly felt that way why didn't you do something about it?  arcadian   Jun-21-10 01:35 PM   #611 
     - I did what I could do about it. I protested it, to no avail.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 01:51 PM   #639 
     - Really? You were here before election day 2008?  notadmblnd   Jun-21-10 09:58 PM   #1267 
        - No. It's clear that I was not. There are many avenues for expression,  MineralMan   Jun-22-10 08:12 AM   #1406 
     - The Supreme Court jimmied around the complex legal issues to install  truedelphi   Jun-21-10 02:55 PM   #743 
     - What did you have in mind?  stevenleser   Jun-21-10 09:58 PM   #1268 
  - For years we ridiculed FR etc for their nonsense claims  obxhead   Jun-21-10 12:47 PM   #523 
  - no one has ever said that. people just get annoyed coming here and see people yelling how  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:51 PM   #535 
  - I have been told EXACTLY that in several posts  obxhead   Jun-21-10 01:07 PM   #565 
  - +1.  chimpymustgo   Jun-21-10 03:23 PM   #796 
  - Bush?  LeftishBrit   Jun-21-10 12:59 PM   #551 
  - Certainly, no one showed respect for Bush/Cheney - and think you're referring to a conspiracy....  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 01:59 PM   #649 
  - Situational drivel-Hoover, Reagan, Nixon, and plenty more were lawfully elected  TheKentuckian   Jun-21-10 04:38 PM   #916 
  - I wish I had that picture of President Obama in the Oval Office  Dr. Hemlock   Jun-21-10 09:33 PM   #1248 
  - "I have called him Barry in the context of deriding him, though."  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 10:48 AM   #174 
     - i know, talk about missing the point...  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:52 AM   #184 
     - I'm not sure that derision of our leaders is a bad thing  miscsoc   Jun-21-10 02:37 PM   #711 
  - Because it's usually used as an insult by right-wingers  NYC Liberal   Jun-21-10 10:16 AM   #74 
  - He was Barry when he was growing up, but decided use Barack when he got older  MadBadger   Jun-21-10 10:21 AM   #94 
     - Yeah I know. I'm just saying that *now* it's usually  NYC Liberal   Jun-21-10 10:25 AM   #102 
        - i've never seen barry used here unless it was in a derisive fashion  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:54 AM   #187 
           - There's at least one user that does  zipplewrath   Jun-21-10 11:33 AM   #314 
  - Because almost every time someone calls him "Barry," it's intended as an insult.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:41 AM   #158 
  - Right, context is everything.  Bucky   Jun-21-10 11:41 AM   #345 
  - Does that include X-Presidents? Is 'Bubba' acceptable?  SaveOurDemocracy   Jun-21-10 07:31 PM   #1109 
  - The rule strikes me as excessively paranoid.  girl gone mad   Jun-23-10 07:11 AM   #1624 
  - He referred to himself as "Barry from DC" on a call in TV show recently...  old mark   Jun-21-10 10:43 AM   #159 
  - Because those who call him "Barry" now intend it the same way as those  tblue37   Jun-21-10 11:45 AM   #359 
  - Well, I think that if you're a personal friend of Obama's, you could  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 12:39 PM   #501 
  - It has become a trait or right wingers to use it  treestar   Jun-21-10 01:33 PM   #609 
  - Depends if the usage is intended to be disrespectful or not.  chrisa   Jun-22-10 09:50 AM   #1439 
  - Please clarify your stance regarding the Democratic Leadership Council and their supporters  Individualist   Jun-21-10 10:07 AM   #50 
  - I think it would be a good thing if DUers could have a substantive discussion of the DLC....  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:46 AM   #167 
  - These rule changes  izzybeans   Jun-21-10 11:43 AM   #352 
  - One gets the distinct impression  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:22 PM   #453 
  - past is prologue  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:37 PM   #495 
  - weary/frustrated/tired, much?  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 06:43 PM   #1064 
     - Why shouldn't he be? What kind of person would be invigorated by DU over the past year  stevenleser   Jun-21-10 10:02 PM   #1273 
  - Because "and their supporters" has become the lazy posters  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 10:56 AM   #193 
  - nicely put!  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:57 AM   #195 
  - Kooch could get himself banned from DU if he were on it  treestar   Jun-21-10 01:36 PM   #613 
  - Yes, but "Should he be banned?" is the question here.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 03:10 PM   #776 
     - The rule is saying Democrats are no better than Republicans  treestar   Jun-21-10 06:50 PM   #1068 
        - He's not saying ALL Democrats though, is he?  Ignis   Jun-21-10 07:04 PM   #1078 
           - Kooch is affectionate  treestar   Jun-21-10 07:24 PM   #1100 
              - I don't think he's playing at false equivalence; he's pulling a No True Scotsman.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 07:43 PM   #1121 
  - Well, Dennis Kucinich obviously wouldn't be able to post here ....???  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 02:05 PM   #662 
  - It certainly seems that way.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 04:00 PM   #853 
  - 1) context of that statement? 2)he also believes in UFO's, and 3)who the fuck cares what he says??  Lil Missy   Jun-21-10 05:32 PM   #983 
     - Think you've just broken a few rules with that post . . .!!  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 06:21 PM   #1042 
     - That still leaves #1 and #3  Lil Missy   Jun-21-10 06:23 PM   #1044 
     - Rather . . . that still leaves you in violation of the rules ...  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 07:47 PM   #1130 
        - I don't think it does break a rule. Disagreeing with you is not a rule violation.  Lil Missy   Jun-21-10 10:28 PM   #1293 
           - Nah ... I'm a liberal -- "C'est la vie" ... no alert -- enjoy ourself--!!  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 11:10 PM   #1317 
              - IMO, having modding a few terms, "who the fuck cares what he says" comes nowhere near any rule break  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-22-10 04:33 PM   #1532 
                 - Check the NEW rules - think you're wrong --  defendandprotect   Jun-22-10 05:28 PM   #1541 
                    - I can't see anything there about swearing  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-22-10 06:16 PM   #1556 
                       - You're right ... evidently you can say re Obama ..."who the fuck cares what he says?" ...??????  defendandprotect   Jun-22-10 09:16 PM   #1586 
     - A whole lot of us care what Kucinich has to say.  hippywife   Jun-21-10 08:47 PM   #1205 
     - A great many more than who care what you have to say  Catherina   Jun-21-10 09:24 PM   #1239 
     - Oh! Because I don't think the word of DK is the final or only word on any topic, I'm helping repukes  Lil Missy   Jun-21-10 10:35 PM   #1298 
        - MEDICARE FOR ALL would have put Dems in power for next 40 years ....  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 11:12 PM   #1319 
           - L00k! A squirrel!!  Lil Missy   Jun-21-10 11:26 PM   #1322 
           - Is that supposed to mean something -- ?  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 11:28 PM   #1323 
           - Yes, it means ..  Lil Missy   Jun-22-10 12:07 AM   #1339 
              - MEDICARE FOR ALL is an issue directly connected to November . . ..  defendandprotect   Jun-22-10 01:49 PM   #1498 
           - Wow, you're standing out in a thread full of duh.  spoony   Jun-22-10 08:23 AM   #1411 
           - Heck, yes!  Mimosa   Jun-22-10 02:48 PM   #1515 
     - He said he seen a UFO  JonLP24   Jun-22-10 05:09 AM   #1375 
  - BRAVO!  WeDidIt   Jun-21-10 10:07 AM   #51 
  - Well that's just dandy......  Uben   Jun-21-10 10:08 AM   #52 
  - Don't get your hopes up.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:51 AM   #182 
  - I agree  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:01 AM   #214 
  - I appreciate your putting my feelings into such eloquent words.  BrklynLiberal   Jun-21-10 03:27 PM   #805 
  - I like it! It's very easy to find obnoxious name calling sites/groups on the  RKP5637   Jun-21-10 10:11 AM   #58 
  - When you speak of "Democrats" generally...  Deep13   Jun-21-10 10:11 AM   #59 
  - "I hope that only applies to people and not to ideas." +1  Silent3   Jun-21-10 03:13 PM   #779 
     - I would never ridicule or discriminate against someone...  Deep13   Jun-21-10 04:14 PM   #880 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Jun-21-10 10:11 AM   #60 
  - I like the section about inappropriate attacks agains Democrats...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 10:11 AM   #61 
  - SidDithers, If only he could see himself as ithers see 'im. Robert Burns. nt  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 10:22 AM   #96 
     - Oh, delicious irony...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 10:48 AM   #172 
        - There are 10 more where that came from  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 04:10 PM   #875 
  - #3 is a keeper, i hope  Tsiyu   Jun-21-10 10:12 AM   #63 
  - It all sounds good and  AsahinaKimi   Jun-21-10 10:12 AM   #64 
  - Clarification is always good, I think. Thanks!  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:12 AM   #65 
  - the "Inappropriate attacks against Democrats" section is really going to clean house around here.  Aramchek   Jun-21-10 10:12 AM   # 
  - As will getting locked out of threads.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:15 AM   # 
     - do what thou willt  Aramchek   Jun-21-10 05:11 PM   #959 
  - " - Broad-brush smears toward law enforcement or military service members."  havocmom   Jun-21-10 10:12 AM   #66 
  - What is the deal with the law enforcement approval in that?  arcadian   Jun-21-10 10:22 AM   #95 
  - I have to ask the same question. The idea of treating a profession as a protected class  Raineyb   Jun-21-10 11:32 AM   #313 
  - Broad brush smears - means what it says  treestar   Jun-21-10 01:40 PM   #618 
     - I find it deeply disturbing that anyone here would put up an objection to that rule  stevenleser   Jun-21-10 10:08 PM   #1277 
  - This is the problem with micromanaging and excessive rules.  woo me with science   Jun-21-10 12:42 PM   #509 
     - Agree with your initial comments . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 02:11 PM   #666 
  - Same question here.  noamnety   Jun-21-10 10:32 AM   #124 
  - That is intended to refer to the troops.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:55 AM   #192 
     - Not often so clear cut  havocmom   Jun-21-10 11:10 AM   #241 
     - So why was someone TSed for calling the Pentagon  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:10 PM   # 
        - they asked to be TSed because they weren't allowed to call the pentagon a terrorist cell in their  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:14 PM   #433 
        - And why weren't they allowed to do so?  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:25 PM   #461 
        - just explaining what happened. if you have a problem with that, i don't care.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:27 PM   #470 
           - You didn't explain anything about the policy  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:29 PM   #480 
              - Maybe it would have been  hippywife   Jun-21-10 09:09 PM   #1228 
                 - You are right, but the person to whom you are responding will not get it.  stevenleser   Jun-22-10 03:11 PM   #1521 
        - Isn't that simply a commentary on the Pentagon, not on the armed forces per se?  No Elephants   Jun-24-10 06:15 AM   #1677 
        - United Nations calls US a "terrorist" nation . . . could we even mention that any more?  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 02:13 PM   #669 
  - Bring back the "Ask the Admins" or "Ask the Mods" forum.  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 10:15 AM   #70 
  - That's exactly what I asked for upthread.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:18 AM   #79 
  - Exactly. While the new rules seem, on the surface, both fair and reasonable .....  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 10:37 AM   #147 
     - Precisely. This is not only a good idea, but essential for this site's viability.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:55 AM   #191 
  - +1  mike_c   Jun-21-10 10:31 AM   #121 
  - Disagree. While that forum was once a noble experiment in transparancy  Bucky   Jun-21-10 10:38 AM   #151 
  - There is a middle ground.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:46 AM   #164 
  - Accountability and transparency are good things. They're also not free. If you choose not to ......  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 10:58 AM   #204 
     - Admittedly an imperfect decision selected from among imperfect choices  Bucky   Jun-21-10 11:24 AM   #288 
        - Just a point of clarification ... the mods are unpaid volunteers who do not touch the .......  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 11:28 AM   #302 
           - Disagree again. Coming from a nonprofit background, I assure you volunteers are valuable resource  Bucky   Jun-21-10 11:37 AM   #330 
              - This isn't a non-profit.  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 12:11 PM   #423 
  - I would bring it back if I thought I could stand it.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 12:40 PM   #505 
     - Any consideration that members might have legitimate concerns...  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 12:52 PM   #540 
     - isn't "malcontents" a broad brush attack on a segment of DU?  branders seine   Jun-21-10 08:16 PM   # 
     - You could do a once/week forum where you include samples  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 01:11 PM   #571 
     - Great idea!!  chimpymustgo   Jun-21-10 03:20 PM   #792 
     - Skinner, absent such a forum, members have no place to go to appeal. Or to discuss new circumstances  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 02:05 PM   #663 
     - Instead of a full forum, perhaps a monthly column  WonderGrunion   Jun-21-10 04:22 PM   #892 
     - HEY SKINNER!! How do I reply to a post on DU!! How do I post a picture....  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 04:54 PM   #942 
     - I understand the tiresome nature of it  austin78704   Jun-21-10 08:44 PM   #1203 
  - I like it.  JNelson6563   Jun-21-10 10:16 AM   #75 
  - What about a situation where warnings are common for a particular forum  Subdivisions   Jun-21-10 10:18 AM   #81 
  - The rules in the forums are slightly diffeerent than in the big forums  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 11:02 AM   #215 
  - Yes.  TZ   Jun-21-10 11:18 AM   #269 
  - My understanding is that posts are deleted for breaking the rules.  Make7   Jun-21-10 03:37 PM   #824 
  - I have a problem with this.  TZ   Jun-21-10 10:18 AM   #82 
  - If I read correctly, the new approach will tell you exactly why the post was  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:21 AM   #90 
  - but that doesn't mean posts won't be deleted unfairly  TZ   Jun-21-10 10:23 AM   #97 
     - Agreed.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:26 AM   #107 
     - I think that's why the 'reason for delete' has been added  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 10:32 AM   #125 
     - And if you believe the reason for the delete is being consistently misapplied?  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:57 AM   #199 
        - At least you'll know what you did to get the post deleted  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:03 AM   #222 
        - I'm not concerned about getting posts deleted. I am concerned about not being able to speak freely.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 11:07 AM   #233 
           - i'm pretty sure you can post whatever you want.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:09 AM   #238 
           - You really think that?  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 11:15 AM   #258 
           - Simply don't attack people and use cogent arguments  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:09 AM   #240 
           - I've had posts deleted  TZ   Jun-21-10 11:14 AM   #253 
           - and I have seen post deleted for critizing the DOD, not the troops  havocmom   Jun-21-10 11:18 AM   #270 
           - I've been actually banned just for questioning the whole healthcare thing  Nov5   Jun-21-10 07:10 PM   #1087 
           - and not being able to speak at all in a thread, even if you are within rules w/ other posts there  havocmom   Jun-21-10 11:15 AM   #257 
              - not true at all, see post #204  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:17 AM   #265 
              - That has been my experience.  loudsue   Jun-21-10 11:56 AM   #391 
        - You can discuss it with a Mod by PMing them.  MilesColtrane   Jun-21-10 11:46 AM   #363 
           - So the identity of the mods deleting our posts will be revealed?  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 11:53 AM   #387 
           - You want to ferret out a particular moderator who you think is treating you unfairly.  MilesColtrane   Jun-21-10 12:40 PM   #504 
              - No. I want to know who to PM with my questions.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 12:44 PM   #514 
                 - Well, you could PM all the moderators for the particular forum.  MilesColtrane   Jun-21-10 12:51 PM   # 
                 - You can PM whomever you'd like. All Mods are privvy to the decision.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 05:46 PM   #1547 
                    - Thank you. nt  Barack_America   Jun-23-10 09:41 AM   #1645 
           - *hide thread* is a beautiful thing. It takes 2 seconds. n/t  Catherina   Jun-21-10 04:35 PM   #908 
     - That's not correct.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 10:58 AM   #203 
     - This is reassuring. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 11:04 AM   #224 
     - Thanks, that's a good clarification. We've all seen posts deleted that seemed innocuous  jobycom   Jun-21-10 01:19 PM   #585 
     - Our concern with having a two post limit instead of a one post limit  EarlG   Jun-21-10 01:41 PM   #622 
        - Not my favorite rule, but it is consistent, and I see your point. nt  jobycom   Jun-21-10 03:23 PM   #795 
     - Like the Senate?  RoyGBiv   Jun-21-10 01:19 PM   #586 
     - See my Post #720, linked below.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 04:32 PM   #904 
        - I see it differently ...  RoyGBiv   Jun-21-10 05:34 PM   #987 
           - There really is no "differently" way to see things, in a sense, as there is a simply way we work.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 06:00 PM   #1023 
              - Yes, there is a different way ...  RoyGBiv   Jun-21-10 06:39 PM   #1061 
                 - I don't feel that you are harassing me personally. I chose to respond.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 07:12 PM   #1089 
     - Skinner, is that true for moved posts? Ther's a recurring problem with posts being improperly moved.  bananas   Jun-22-10 10:54 AM   #1463 
        - It is true of all actions.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 01:10 PM   #1486 
           - There is a recurring problem, and it's more serious than I thought.  bananas   Jun-23-10 09:14 AM   #1639 
           - Your example are not reflective of some deep-seeded, serious issue.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-23-10 09:35 AM   #1643 
              - A couple of non-moderators expressed their own poorly-informed opinions  bananas   Jun-23-10 09:55 AM   #1647 
                 - This has been asked and answered.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-23-10 10:12 AM   #1651 
           - It doesn't just happen to me - here's a thread that was moved three times  bananas   Jun-23-10 09:16 AM   #1640 
              - It is hard to tell since this is one post from six months ago.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-23-10 09:22 AM   #1641 
     - This is not the case.  cbayer   Jun-21-10 11:02 AM   #216 
     - It's my understanding that a deleted post  Raine1967   Jun-21-10 11:44 AM   #356 
     - Everything is a joint decision.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 04:33 PM   #905 
     - Agreed and add  obxhead   Jun-21-10 01:20 PM   #590 
     - Self-delete  EarlG   Jun-21-10 01:24 PM   #597 
     - No, ONE moderator can't.  TygrBright   Jun-21-10 04:12 PM   #878 
     - That's really not how it works.  Goblinmonger   Jun-21-10 08:13 PM   #1159 
  - And will it include when your posts are deleted as part of a subthread  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:27 PM   #472 
     - No, it won't.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 12:44 PM   #517 
  - I think it ignores the obvious - impartial enforcement of the rules  Prism   Jun-21-10 10:18 AM   #83 
  - oh lord.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:21 AM   #92 
  - Self-Delete.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 10:27 AM   #110 
  - Personal attacks, name-calling, or other insults  demmiblue   Jun-21-10 10:30 AM   #118 
     - Precisely what the above poster was referring to  depakid   Jun-21-10 10:33 AM   #129 
     - Let's see if the poster gets locked out of this thread.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:34 AM   #136 
     - You're right - I self-deleted.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 11:07 AM   #235 
  - you are one of the people "Prism" is talking about  paulk   Jun-22-10 07:59 AM   #1404 
  - There are at lease a couple of heavy-handed mods that never go away. n/t  Subdivisions   Jun-21-10 10:24 AM   #98 
  - I think the moderators represent a cross-section of the points  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:31 AM   #123 
  - When nearly a dozen LGBTers are TSed at once, something's wrong  Prism   Jun-21-10 10:58 AM   #200 
     - I agree and I hate that I had to run-off to some other board to find out what happened.  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 11:00 AM   #212 
     - they were TSed for blatantly breaking DU rules, not for being gay.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:01 AM   #213 
     - No, actually, they weren't.  Prism   Jun-21-10 11:02 AM   #218 
     - That's calling out the mods - which is a violation. (nt)  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 11:09 AM   #237 
        - Mentioning TSed posters isn't a call out.  Prism   Jun-21-10 11:11 AM   #245 
        - You forgot "...in my opinion."  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 11:15 AM   #259 
           - Thank you for your concern n/t.  Prism   Jun-21-10 11:17 AM   #263 
              - Any time, Prism.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 11:20 AM   #274 
              - Obviously, posting '7' in that context is an objection and call out of the Mods and their actions  stevenleser   Jun-22-10 12:09 PM   #1476 
              - uggh  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:24 AM   #290 
        - No it isn't. n/t  donco6   Jun-21-10 11:28 AM   #303 
        - i guess the mods thought it was.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:37 AM   #331 
        - Thanks for your concern. nt  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 11:40 AM   #344 
           - I can see nothing's changed here at all. n/t  donco6   Jun-21-10 11:46 AM   #362 
              - I appreciate your concern.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 12:11 PM   #424 
              - #264  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:13 PM   #429 
        - Well that's a mighty convenient closed circuit, isn't it? nt  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:05 PM   #408 
           - They ain't my rules and it's not my "circuit".  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 12:10 PM   #420 
     - Not true  LostinVA   Jun-21-10 12:36 PM   #493 
        - so what were they banned for then?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:40 PM   #507 
           - Posting the number 7?  tekisui   Jun-21-10 01:50 PM   #638 
              - You know that's a falacy, don't you?  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 04:28 PM   #896 
                 - Well no, you didn't, because the poster didn't do that  LostinVA   Jun-21-10 05:30 PM   #977 
     - I cannot. I almost never visit the LGBT forum, so I wasn't even aware  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 03:02 PM   #758 
  - uggh  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 10:33 AM   #131 
  - Have you ever volunteered to be a moderator on DU?  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-21-10 11:15 AM   #255 
  - I would never be accepted  Prism   Jun-21-10 11:19 AM   #273 
  - at the very least, mods shouldn't display antipathy for the forums/subjects they're reviewing.  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 11:37 AM   #327 
  - Moderators are no longer assigned forums.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 04:36 PM   #910 
     - No more assigned forums? That's brilliant!  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-22-10 07:59 PM   #1578 
        - And no more cut and paste!  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 09:46 PM   #1592 
  - at the very least, mods shouldn't display antipathy for the forums/subjects they're reviewing.  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 11:37 AM   # 
  - "When the mods are posting openly homophobic articles and defending them" ok, link please. i have  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:39 AM   #338 
  - very hefty  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:15 PM   #435 
  - i don't know but it's not cool.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:17 PM   # 
  - There are some things you've never seen (unless you were around at the right/wrong time)  tbyg52   Jun-22-10 02:39 PM   #1510 
  - I'm sorry, I didn't know.  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-21-10 11:49 AM   #371 
  - Many, many times  LostinVA   Jun-21-10 12:37 PM   #496 
  - mods are always going to represent a cross-section of authoritarian types  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 11:28 AM   #301 
  - True . . . and it's not like DU'ers get to vote for the Mods . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 02:56 PM   #744 
     - reminds me of the "safety patrols" in middle school. was a certain kind of kid who went out for that  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 06:24 PM   #1046 
  - That's now officially a taboo subject --  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 02:23 PM   #686 
  - >>by apologizing to the LGBT community for what you did  tbyg52   Jun-21-10 04:39 PM   #917 
  - dupe  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 08:16 PM   #1162 
  - wow.  branders seine   Jun-21-10 08:11 PM   #1156 
  - dupe  TZ   Jun-21-10 10:19 AM   #85 
  - certainly worth trying. it has been getting down right unpleasant around here. n/t  ladywnch   Jun-21-10 10:25 AM   #101 
  - I love #2, not so sure about #3.  intheflow   Jun-21-10 10:26 AM   #106 
  - Thanks.  Scurrilous   Jun-21-10 10:27 AM   #108 
  - My nickel bet:  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 10:27 AM   #109 
  - I have to respectfully disagree. It's fine to say "you're not answering my question."  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 10:34 AM   #133 
  - +1  mike_c   Jun-21-10 10:37 AM   #145 
  - As I said, some subjectivity will remain.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 11:05 AM   #228 
     - A plea ...  RoyGBiv   Jun-21-10 01:15 PM   #579 
  - One thing -- making "conservative" a personal attack.  sarge43   Jun-21-10 10:27 AM   #111 
  - You can call conservative public figures (almost) whatever you want to call them.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 12:47 PM   #524 
     - I think we should win badges for most inventive attacks. I know  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 02:01 PM   #658 
        - I've tried to start such threads but no one was interested. nt  blondeatlast   Jun-21-10 03:21 PM   #793 
  - Excellent idea  malaise   Jun-21-10 10:28 AM   #112 
  - I have a sincere question an item on the subject of the "Insensitive" issue.  Altoid_Cyclist   Jun-21-10 10:29 AM   #115 
  - Hmmm..that makes me think of something else similar...  pipi_k   Jun-21-10 10:36 AM   #143 
  - An aside: I've lived in PA all my 60 years, and NEVER heard "Pennsyltucky" until I came to DU.  WinkyDink   Jun-21-10 11:23 AM   #283 
  - The first time that I heard it was when I moved to Connecticut in the early 80's.  Altoid_Cyclist   Jun-21-10 11:56 AM   #392 
  - Carville said something like...  October   Jun-21-10 04:59 PM   #947 
  - This is one of those areas that I'm ambivalent about.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 12:54 PM   #545 
     - OK, thanks for the reply. I've tried not to use the terms after people took exception but I still  Altoid_Cyclist   Jun-21-10 01:06 PM   #562 
     - Thanks for that  FreedomRain   Jun-21-10 11:54 PM   #1332 
  - Great Skinner!  Texasgal   Jun-21-10 10:29 AM   #116 
  - I'm glad there's a rule against "Belittling people who are new or have a low post count."  Bucky   Jun-21-10 10:30 AM   #119 
  - haven't finished reading yet, but item #2 is EXCELLENT...  mike_c   Jun-21-10 10:31 AM   #120 
  - Sounds good...I know how hard it is to try and please the largest  pipi_k   Jun-21-10 10:32 AM   #126 
  - Good idea, Skinner. Anything that helps to keep discussions civil should benefit us all.  Arkansas Granny   Jun-21-10 10:33 AM   #128 
  - Well, looks like the "Democratic" went out of the "Underground"..........  pattmarty   Jun-21-10 10:34 AM   #134 
  - I didn't see anything about criticizing anyone.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:39 AM   #153 
  - I didn't see that at all...  pipi_k   Jun-21-10 10:44 AM   # 
  - The reality is, without "broadbrush" criticism of current Democratic policies, there will be no  readmoreoften   Jun-22-10 03:24 PM   #1522 
  - Paragraph 3 - "Insensitivity" will be a challenge for a few  IDemo   Jun-21-10 10:34 AM   #138 
  - I have always wondered, too, why there is such a limited window for editing  tblue37   Jun-21-10 11:24 AM   #292 
  - An editing toolbar would be cool, or a WYSIWYG editor!  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 07:42 PM   #1120 
  - I don't know how others feel, but I've had a few posts deleted,  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:35 AM   #140 
  - Same here. The only time where I get confused is when a subthread is deleted  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:17 AM   #267 
     - it doesn't count unless the post is deleted before the  lazarus   Jun-21-10 11:33 AM   #317 
     - Good to hear it.  Jester Messiah   Jun-21-10 11:36 AM   #322 
     - Thank you for the clarification!  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 02:00 PM   #654 
     - That should lessen, from what I'm hearing.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 07:24 PM   #1101 
  - Can we have a "Rush Limbaugh Exception Rule" to the gravedancing proviso?  Vinnie From Indy   Jun-21-10 10:35 AM   #142 
  - Yeah. Didn't we get an exception when jerry falwell died? There  Kahuna   Jun-21-10 12:52 PM   #539 
  - I don't think that Rush Limbaugh gets banned from DU all that often....  whopis01   Jun-21-10 08:33 PM   #1181 
  - Sounds good to me.  H2O Man   Jun-21-10 10:36 AM   #144 
  - I have no use for that many DU shirts.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:39 AM   #154 
  - I demand a full wardrobe  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 03:44 PM   #835 
  - I hope this all works out.  Swede   Jun-21-10 10:37 AM   #146 
  - I hope these rules get applied to the Latin America forum,  naaman fletcher   Jun-21-10 10:38 AM   #150 
  - The rules apply to all the forums.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:06 PM   #559 
  - What about prolific posters who use DU to post their editorials?  arcadian   Jun-21-10 10:39 AM   #152 
  - "People are afraid to post here." are you really serious? afraid?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:43 AM   #160 
     - If you read this thread  arcadian   Jun-21-10 10:46 AM   #166 
     - i think it rings hollow because the people who claim victimhood and\or censorship give as good as  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:52 AM   #183 
        - And two wrongs make a right? Not where I come from. Some victims of abuse here  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 10:55 AM   #188 
        - how the hell does one get victimized on an anonymous political message board?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:59 AM   #208 
           - Then they should be called out for their attacks, not abused in return.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:04 AM   #227 
           - Exactly...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 11:27 AM   #300 
           - So, just for the sake of argument, if I call you an ethnic slur, claim you  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:36 AM   #321 
              - It might be abuse...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 12:10 PM   #419 
                 - Teenagers have committed SUICIDE because of what anonymous bloggers have written.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 12:14 PM   #432 
                    - Completely different situations...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 12:24 PM   #460 
                    - Sid, just remember, every time you post a smilie at a silly post, you could be driving someone to  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:28 PM   #475 
                    - My God!!!...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 12:46 PM   #522 
                    - don't be so callous man  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:48 PM   #525 
                    - Dog-piling. That's how they do it, folks. Snark feeds on sarcasm, and they're off to the races.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 12:51 PM   #538 
                    - And here we have..  girl gone mad   Jun-23-10 07:24 AM   #1626 
                    - Mmm, civility in action.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 03:05 PM   #763 
                    - You have your opinion, I have mine. I do have one question for you though:  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 12:33 PM   #487 
                       - I'm here to be entertained...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 01:03 PM   #557 
                          - See that's the difference. I've never been entertained by smug superiority.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 03:06 PM   #764 
                          - Just don't stop posting...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 03:19 PM   #788 
                             - I'd say that to some CON that I thought was an asshole. I wouldn't say it to a fellow lib at DU.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 03:29 PM   #812 
                                - Here, I fixed your Joni Mitchell for you...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 03:50 PM   #843 
                                   - I knew you weren't all that bad. You post on DU!  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 04:08 PM   #871 
                                   - !  dionysus   Jun-21-10 04:09 PM   #872 
                                      - You either, Dion. You're a fine, sly malcontent just like me.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 04:14 PM   #879 
                          - -1. Unrec. Prime example of what serious posters are up against n/t  Catherina   Jun-21-10 04:37 PM   #913 
                          - Serious posters!!...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 07:30 PM   #1108 
                          - The ones without a sense of humor at childishness in a country  Catherina   Jun-21-10 09:30 PM   #1246 
                          - I was just scanning this thread and saw this also.  sabrina 1   Jun-22-10 11:51 AM   #1475 
                          - Why not try FARK? Most of us are here to effect political change.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 08:16 PM   #1163 
                             - FARK doesn't have the rigth mix of self important gasbags...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 09:30 PM   #1244 
                                - Oh, fine: ./  Ignis   Jun-21-10 09:54 PM   #1261 
                    - In all fairness, these teens are usually suicidal already  lbrtbell   Jun-21-10 08:33 PM   #1179 
           - Classic  arcadian   Jun-21-10 11:37 AM   #328 
              - Yup, that's what I'm thinking too. Self-justifying bad behavior. "It didn't do any permanent  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:48 AM   #369 
                 - a ROFL smilie is that same as hitting someone with a brick now? who knew?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:12 PM   #427 
                    - Snark and sarcasm. It's exactly what we're talking about. See post 178. nt  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 12:17 PM   #442 
        - The way I always have seen it  JonLP24   Jun-21-10 11:26 AM   #296 
        - +100 Ding ding ding ding! WE HAVE A WINNER. Thank you. nt  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:50 AM   #375 
        - You got that right.  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:39 PM   #502 
        - There is no such thing as censorship here  DissedByBush   Jun-21-10 06:23 PM   #1045 
     - Yes, indeed. And many, many more who are utterly turned off by the snark and hatefulness  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 10:53 AM   #185 
  - The other day I watched an antire subthread get deleted....  Forkboy   Jun-21-10 10:43 AM   #161 
  - That's an excellent point. nt  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 10:46 AM   #169 
  - There will be less deleted sub-threads, is the idea.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:47 AM   #170 
  - Great point. n/t  OhioChick   Jun-21-10 12:16 PM   #437 
  - You would not get blocked out for being an "innocent bystander" in a deleted sub-thread.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:09 PM   #568 
  - Hallelujah! n/t  Political Tiger   Jun-21-10 10:44 AM   #163 
  - In regard to #3  countingbluecars   Jun-21-10 10:46 AM   #165 
  - I like it. (nt)  redqueen   Jun-21-10 10:46 AM   #168 
  - Cannot call him "Barry"? is there an approved list of titles for Dear Leader?  NightWatcher   Jun-21-10 10:47 AM   #171 
  - lotta nerve for busting out "Dear Leader" in this thread. DU is like South(sic) Korea as well?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 10:50 AM   #181 
  - Okay, perfect example. This is ridicule, not refutation.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:00 AM   #211 
     - satire has died. I OBVIOUSLY do not think Obama (or Skinner) is like Kim Jong Il  NightWatcher   Jun-21-10 11:02 AM   #217 
     - Hurtful, ridiculing points. yes . . . nt  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:13 AM   #251 
     - if i am "not liberal" because of my use of a ROFL smilie over a silly post...  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:03 AM   #219 
     - I wish I could remember the exact quote, something like "we can endure the suffering of OTHERS  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:11 AM   #246 
     - A little quip here, a little quip there.  arcadian   Jun-21-10 11:21 AM   #278 
     - i am pretty sure nothing i say is in any way preventing you from voicing your opinion. really.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:24 AM   #289 
        - So you admit to your under the radar attacks?  arcadian   Jun-21-10 11:25 AM   #294 
           - where are you getting this stuff from? are you trying to stifle my free speech?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:27 AM   #298 
              - I suspect that Arcadian has enjoyed some of your "wit" like so many of us have over the years. nt  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:53 AM   #384 
     - Some people have no sense of humor.  The Green Manalishi   Jun-21-10 01:35 PM   #612 
        - I don't know. Some people have higher standards  sabrina 1   Jun-22-10 12:27 PM   #1478 
     - I think the poster is not mocking the entire post with the ROFL image----  tblue37   Jun-21-10 11:29 AM   #307 
     - Yes. He made a mistake. I generally don't ROFL over a simple mistake  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 11:44 AM   #357 
     - are you for real? making such a big deal out of a ROFL smilie?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:05 PM   #407 
        - Uggh  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 03:53 PM   #846 
           - why are you visciously attacking me!!1!!?  dionysus   Jun-21-10 04:05 PM   #860 
              - I feel like if I even raise an eyebrow more than a millimeter I'm going to be pounced on  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 04:07 PM   #865 
     - thank you.  dionysus   Jun-21-10 12:02 PM   #405 
     - +100. contentless ridicule. some are allowed to do it regularly.  Hannah Bell   Jun-21-10 01:17 PM   #582 
  - I'm pretty sure that "Dear Leader" isn't on that approved list.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 10:56 AM   #194 
  - So if something innocuous like Dear Leader is banned, will Jon Stewart videos  snagglepuss   Jun-21-10 04:21 PM   #888 
     - It's not my call, is it?  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 07:09 PM   #1082 
  - Oh, the drama! nt  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 11:03 AM   #221 
  - Try Brocktoon.  jp11   Jun-21-10 11:16 AM   #260 
  - "Barry" is a dogwhistle-racist term for Obama.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 11:36 AM   #324 
  - so every "kid's name" is racist? or if a teabagger says it, it becomes verbotten?  NightWatcher   Jun-21-10 11:42 AM   #351 
     - It's the way it's used against Obama in particular.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 11:53 AM   #383 
     - It's about context.  CakeGrrl   Jun-21-10 12:32 PM   #486 
     - If you're on the interwebs, surely you're aware teabaggers call him "Barry Soetoro" --  quiet.american   Jun-21-10 01:45 PM   #630 
        - I am on the internet and I've never heard that.  arcadian   Jun-21-10 02:16 PM   #674 
           - I understand the concept of "Don't Think of an Elephant."  quiet.american   Jun-21-10 02:31 PM   #702 
           - "You talkin' ta me?"  No Elephants   Jun-24-10 05:54 AM   #1675 
           - Arcadian, just Google "Barry Soetoro." It's all over the place in the Birther universe. nt  Hekate   Jun-21-10 05:40 PM   #1004 
  - Wow. (nt)  redqueen   Jun-21-10 11:46 AM   #365 
  - You're equating treatment of Pres. Obama with the treatment of bush????  Kahuna   Jun-21-10 12:54 PM   #547 
  - Because he doesn't go by "Barry" anymore, genius.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jun-22-10 02:56 PM   #1518 
  - Hi, Skinner - It would be helpful if we knew what rules are NEW.  leveymg   Jun-21-10 10:48 AM   #173 
  - Great suggestion!  Dappleganger   Jun-21-10 11:36 AM   #323 
  - Well, none of them is new, exactly.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:12 PM   #573 
     - Yes, but where there's been a significant new interpretation, perhaps you can  leveymg   Jun-21-10 03:59 PM   #851 
     - Nothing new added? How about electrolytes? People like electrolytes.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-21-10 09:54 PM   #1262 
     - Diffs would be helpful  Moochy   Jun-22-10 10:22 AM   #1449 
  - I agree with reply #1 from miscsoc  eleny   Jun-21-10 10:49 AM   #176 
  - Skinner, I find a lot to agree with in eleny's post and JD Priestly's down below...  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 12:27 PM   #473 
  - Well said. Agree wholeheartedly. nt  woo me with science   Jun-21-10 02:00 PM   #653 
  - Skinner, these are great...  tallahasseedem   Jun-21-10 10:49 AM   #177 
  - Some nice thinking in there.  Robb   Jun-21-10 10:50 AM   #180 
  - as someone who moderated at a gaming forum for nearly 2 years..  Althaia   Jun-21-10 10:55 AM   #190 
  - I moderated a Diabetes forum for about a year--even that got NASTILY  blondeatlast   Jun-21-10 03:32 PM   #816 
  - thoughts and suggestion "2nd deletion before blocking" rule vs 1 deletion.  uppityperson   Jun-21-10 10:57 AM   #196 
  - I like these changes, my dear Skinner!  CaliforniaPeggy   Jun-21-10 10:57 AM   #198 
  - I wish you luck  Balderdash   Jun-21-10 10:58 AM   #202 
  - Sounds good to me. Good luck! n/t  CakeGrrl   Jun-21-10 10:59 AM   #205 
  - I have read the rules  bigwillq   Jun-21-10 10:59 AM   #207 
  - I have several comments.  JDPriestly   Jun-21-10 11:00 AM   #210 
  - I think it's actually pretty simple. I'll provide a couple of examples,  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 11:11 AM   #243 
     - We shall see how it works out.  JDPriestly   Jun-21-10 11:15 AM   #256 
        - Yes. I wore a Stevenson button to school, too. That was the  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 01:02 PM   #554 
        - You being older than Obama isn't relevant  treestar   Jun-21-10 01:53 PM   #641 
           - May be wrong, but think the reference may be to the original traditions of the  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 03:27 PM   #808 
  - you have a problem here called "TLDR"  pitohui   Jun-21-10 11:03 AM   #223 
  - I will wait and see how this works in practice.  wisteria   Jun-21-10 11:04 AM   #225 
  - That is simply not true.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:20 PM   #588 
  - A specific case question....  TeaBagsAreForCups   Jun-21-10 11:05 AM   #229 
  - That thread is fine, IMO.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:22 PM   #595 
  - Since you say that often an otherwise well-meaning poster will  tblue37   Jun-21-10 11:05 AM   #230 
  - Reactions....  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-21-10 11:07 AM   #234 
  - How about a function to alert on the mods?  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-21-10 11:08 AM   #236 
  - is there a complete list of current mods anywhere? in addition to the thread-specific list, i mean.  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 11:24 AM   #287 
  - Maybe that's the point of the new functionality. May I make a suggestion, Skinner?  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 11:43 AM   #354 
  - You can do that right now.  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 11:51 AM   #378 
  - Question about that  wildflower   Jun-21-10 01:00 PM   #552 
  - Please add a comment  CabalPowered   Jun-21-10 01:08 PM   #567 
  - You should always include a comment.  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 07:10 PM   #1084 
  - Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on this, Blue-Jay.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 02:44 PM   #720 
     - It's important that people understand how things work.  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 07:47 PM   #1128 
     - Blue-Jay, I didn't mean to direct that final paragraph to you. It was a general comment.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 08:18 PM   #1164 
  - Hear, hear!  Individualist   Jun-21-10 12:11 PM   #422 
  - Except that mods only remove posts on consensus and no one mod can remove a post  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-21-10 12:11 PM   #425 
     - Making me feel more, not less, uncomfortable  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Jun-21-10 11:12 PM   #1320 
  - Posters brazenly breaking the rules in this very thread haven't been deleted or locked out.  Romulox   Jun-21-10 11:09 AM   #239 
  - In Jr. High circles it's called "street cred". On the internet it's  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 11:13 AM   #249 
  - Did you alert on them? (nt)  redqueen   Jun-21-10 11:47 AM   #367 
  - Yes. No action was taken.  Romulox   Jun-21-10 11:57 AM   #393 
     - It might be because this is a thread to discuss the new rules  tammywammy   Jun-21-10 12:25 PM   #462 
     - I've alerted too, same result.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 01:38 PM   #615 
  - It's quite obvious.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 12:12 PM   #428 
  - I think the rules are generally more relaxed on threads like  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 01:05 PM   #558 
  - The moderators are instructed to be generally "hands-off" on Admin threads.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:26 PM   #600 
  - Specifically, what is your complaint? Didn't Skinner ask them what they think?  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 03:32 PM   #815 
  - From Skinner's OP...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 10:19 PM   #1283 
  - The clarity of the new rules is excellent. nt  quiet.american   Jun-21-10 11:11 AM   #242 
  - Rules  northoftheborder   Jun-21-10 11:12 AM   #247 
  - No one said "honest criticism" is not allowed. But if one's idea  CakeGrrl   Jun-21-10 01:20 PM   #589 
     - If I'd flipped so egregiously from my campaign positions as Obama has, I'd expect to hear criticisms  LooseWilly   Jun-21-10 08:12 PM   #1158 
     - Suppose the criticism was phrased thusly:  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-10 11:48 PM   #1328 
  - My fave part:  Raine1967   Jun-21-10 11:12 AM   # 
  - Hey, works for me. Where else on the internet  asjr   Jun-21-10 11:12 AM   #248 
  - I'd personally be in favor of a rule banning the advocation of aggressive warfare.  howard112211   Jun-21-10 11:13 AM   #250 
  - I've been here nearly 7 years and can't recall a single one of those posts, ever. (nt)  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 11:36 AM   #320 
  - I just did a search for a post that I saw a while back  howard112211   Jun-21-10 11:52 AM   #381 
  - Its deletion should be all the answer you need, no? (nt)  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 12:57 PM   #549 
  - Not long ago a poster called for the nuking of Afghanistan  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:34 PM   #490 
     - I'm not suggesting it hasn't ever happened.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 12:56 PM   #548 
     - Not all of Afghanistan, just Kabul  WonderGrunion   Jun-21-10 04:45 PM   #924 
  - Link please. n/t  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 11:46 AM   #364 
     - see my post above.  howard112211   Jun-21-10 11:53 AM   #382 
     - How about this?  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:37 PM   #494 
        - We're locking this. Inflammatory.  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 12:43 PM   #513 
           - You, and another poster, acted like such things didn't exist here.  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:50 PM   #533 
              - "If those are allowed, then one may get the impression that the table is rigged in favor...."  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 01:22 PM   #594 
  - Excellent!  mzmolly   Jun-21-10 11:14 AM   #252 
  - I like the spirit of your changes  mimitabby   Jun-21-10 11:14 AM   #254 
  - Too specific, too many rules, too much nannying.  woo me with science   Jun-21-10 11:16 AM   #261 
  - I wish I could rec your post  lbrtbell   Jun-21-10 08:36 PM   #1185 
  - With theses changes, I may be more willing to start threads now  azmouse   Jun-21-10 11:17 AM   #264 
  - I could save everyone a lot of reading and rule memorizing if they would like?  NNN0LHI   Jun-21-10 11:17 AM   #268 
  - Hey! Don't be going all religious on us and quoting The Golden Rule.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 01:07 PM   #566 
  - what about "uncomfortable but not rule breaking topics" re #3?  mike_c   Jun-21-10 11:18 AM   #271 
  - Will the Revised rules bring back Mo the by-now Cat? (Yeah, I miss her!)  WinkyDink   Jun-21-10 11:20 AM   #275 
  - #2 is great - it can "train" people  treestar   Jun-21-10 11:20 AM   #276 
  - I am glad you took notice  mstinamotorcity   Jun-21-10 11:21 AM   #277 
  - I understand completely what you're trying to accomplish, but . . .  Vinca   Jun-21-10 11:22 AM   #280 
  - Question.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-21-10 11:23 AM   #282 
  - for you? totally revoked  dionysus   Jun-21-10 11:25 AM   #293 
  - I second this.  Robb   Jun-21-10 11:26 AM   #295 
  - Absolutely...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 11:52 AM   #380 
  - Yes, I share the same confusion over deleted subthreads  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 11:30 AM   #308 
  - It looks like one intent is to avoid entirely the deleting of whole subthreads  pinboy3niner   Jun-21-10 11:54 AM   #389 
  - That is a good question.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 04:11 PM   #876 
  - Just a question on language. For example,  valerief   Jun-21-10 11:23 AM   #284 
  - That's correct.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:31 PM   #607 
     - Okay, thanks. I fail to understand the difference, but thems your rules. Thanks. nt  valerief   Jun-21-10 04:22 PM   #889 
        - My interpretation...  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 04:57 PM   #944 
        - I've always understood idiot and moron to be clinical definitions, as noted below.  valerief   Jun-22-10 10:43 AM   #1459 
        - A person who is retarded is someone who was born with specific medical concerns.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 08:24 PM   #1171 
           - No, that's called Down's Syndrome  lbrtbell   Jun-21-10 08:41 PM   #1195 
              - Actually, retarded has not joined that list.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 08:50 PM   #1210 
  - sounds good to me, although  Soylent Brice   Jun-21-10 11:24 AM   #291 
  - I completely agree with this. Except for the fact that  cliffordu   Jun-21-10 11:26 AM   #297 
  - Solving the problems on DU would go a long way to solving the problems of the Democratic Party  corkhead   Jun-21-10 11:27 AM   #299 
  - I think that the rules are the cancer which is killing DU.  LoZoccolo   Jun-21-10 11:29 AM   #306 
  - P.S. I've been reading your responses to other people in this thread...  LoZoccolo   Jun-21-10 11:35 AM   #318 
  - Worthwhile points  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:16 PM   #439 
  - I'm actually pretty ambivalent about having all these rules.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 02:31 PM   #703 
     - I vote for no rules - just the Golden Rule - and amnesty for banned posters to come back (behaved).  chimpymustgo   Jun-21-10 02:59 PM   #748 
     - I've long been an advocate of the no rules idea.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jun-21-10 03:14 PM   #782 
     - Skinner - What was "the much-derided "block replies to me" function" .... ????  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 03:38 PM   #827 
     - I vote in favor of that. Rules are manipulated, enforcing them is time-consuming  Catherina   Jun-21-10 03:51 PM   #845 
     - This is a very good post  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 04:02 PM   #857 
        - I suggest you read it again then and if you don't mind, my post was to Skinner  Catherina   Jun-21-10 04:25 PM   #893 
           - Personally insulting me doesn't make your point  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 04:36 PM   #912 
              - I would like to hear from Skinner. Your input is of no interest n/t  Catherina   Jun-21-10 04:41 PM   #918 
              - If that is true, you can quickly ignore that poster.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 07:42 PM   #1118 
              - Where was that poster "personally insulting" you?  Ignis   Jun-21-10 09:37 PM   #1252 
                 - 6 hours later you come by to defend you bud-day?  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 10:25 PM   #1288 
                    - Who shat in your Wheaties, Mr. Moran?  Ignis   Jun-21-10 10:39 PM   #1303 
     - First off, I'm sorry that some of my reply was more beligerent than it should have been.  LoZoccolo   Jun-21-10 04:30 PM   #901 
     - Well, you could add a forum that is essentially unmoderated.  Jamastiene   Jun-21-10 04:52 PM   #937 
     - Fight Club.  flvegan   Jun-21-10 05:16 PM   #965 
     - That's a possibility!  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 08:38 PM   #1190 
     - It would be like Sparta!  flvegan   Jun-21-10 05:14 PM   #963 
     - It's nice to know you've given this serious consideration  whatchamacallit   Jun-21-10 06:09 PM   #1029 
     - I do. Let me share something with you.  Bonobo   Jun-21-10 08:24 PM   #1172 
     - I hope Skinner reads your response.  flvegan   Jun-21-10 08:49 PM   #1208 
        - Thanks, Fivegan.  Bonobo   Jun-21-10 09:09 PM   #1229 
     - I think that would be a great experiment. We will never know if it could work until we tried it!  saracat   Jun-21-10 08:36 PM   #1184 
     - Holy crap, this is the best idea I've heard in a while.  jgraz   Jun-21-10 08:48 PM   #1206 
     - YES! Yes yes yes... no rules. None  mirrera   Jun-21-10 10:00 PM   #1271 
     - I think part of the incivility is the webrage of seeing the board rules violated  jgraz   Jun-21-10 10:07 PM   #1276 
     - Maybe just for one weekend a month...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 10:25 PM   #1287 
     - Another vote in favor of the no-rules approach.  stranger81   Jun-21-10 11:10 PM   #1318 
     - Except for those who come here to be disruptive, these  davidwparker   Jun-22-10 09:01 AM   #1425 
     - +1 for no rules/less rules  mikelgb   Jun-22-10 10:22 AM   #1450 
  - Aye, here's a vote in favor. [nt]  Jester Messiah   Jun-21-10 11:30 AM   #309 
  - What about posts where people use their "DU old-timer" status to try to shut down discussion?  arcadian   Jun-21-10 11:32 AM   #312 
  - There are plenty of under the radar attacks and under the radar incitements to anger  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 11:49 AM   #372 
  - This is what concerns me sometimes about those T'stoned  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 12:46 PM   #519 
     - You're absolutely correct.  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-10 02:54 PM   # 
        - Yep. They are all over this thread.  Jakes Progress   Jun-21-10 11:56 PM   #1334 
  - Or making personal claims  treestar   Jun-21-10 01:58 PM   #647 
  - Seems like that's often pertinent....  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 02:25 PM   #689 
     - There's a raising the bar of not being able to disagree without being  treestar   Jun-21-10 02:43 PM   #717 
  - You don't need to put a period and a question mark together. Sheesh.  Greyskye   Jun-21-10 04:54 PM   #939 
  - For the most part they appear extremely thoughtful  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-21-10 11:33 AM   #315 
  - Why am I a bit troubled?  gibby2433   Jun-21-10 11:33 AM   #316 
  - wow -- well said.  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 11:38 AM   #332 
  - "I want a place where truth wins over political party," I wholeheartedly agree.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 11:39 AM   #340 
  - From the OP:  redqueen   Jun-21-10 11:50 AM   #374 
  - +1. I want progress and truth not obeisance to personalities n/t  Catherina   Jun-21-10 12:25 PM   #464 
  - There are many liberal sites on the internet but THIS site has always bent towards the big D dem  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-21-10 12:29 PM   #476 
  - GREAT post. Truth trumps political party IMHO.  chimpymustgo   Jun-21-10 03:03 PM   #760 
  - Amen. Truth has been losing a lot of ground since 2000  Lorien   Jun-21-10 03:32 PM   #814 
  - Agree . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 04:00 PM   #854 
  - ...  Duppers   Jun-21-10 04:10 PM   #874 
  - Problem with that is, on a site with 1000 members, you have 1000 "truths"  TygrBright   Jun-21-10 04:51 PM   #936 
  - +1000  amborin   Jun-21-10 08:29 PM   #1176 
  - Only one comment:  UndertheOcean   Jun-21-10 11:38 AM   #333 
  - Suggesting that a particular point of view is required in order to be a Democrat, liberal, progressi  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 11:38 AM   #334 
  - uggh  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:06 PM   #413 
     - I know, Hugh, you won't have to wait much longer.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:08 PM   #416 
     - cut the crap  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:09 PM   #418 
        - Are your posts in this thread all saying "ugghhh" necessary?  Forkboy   Jun-21-10 12:18 PM   #443 
           - yes.  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 12:22 PM   #456 
              - If you truly feel that to be the case you might want to reconsider who the real problem is here.  Forkboy   Jun-21-10 12:29 PM   #481 
              - uggh.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 12:50 PM   #532 
              - uggh  Individualist   Jun-21-10 01:41 PM   #623 
     - If you're constipated please leave the room.  Smashcut   Jun-21-10 02:34 PM   # 
        - OK  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 04:09 PM   #873 
  - It would be nice to see "common decency, common sense, and mutual respect " again  Amerigo Vespucci   Jun-21-10 11:38 AM   #335 
  - One question....  bobburgster   Jun-21-10 11:39 AM   #341 
  - K&f'nR!  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 11:40 AM   #343 
  - Have you ever explained why the Israel/Palestine issue is insulated from the main discussion areas?  Dover   Jun-21-10 11:42 AM   #349 
  - Yes.. I find it concerning that issues for which I/P is related,  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 12:52 PM   #541 
  - I agree -- I'd like to see those articles stay in GD for at least 24 hours before  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 04:26 PM   #894 
  - Excellent post Dover. We should be allowed to discuss Isreal/Palestine in PUBLIC.  chimpymustgo   Jun-21-10 03:11 PM   #777 
  - Right, it's a major issue for the nation --- and rather than facing the  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 04:30 PM   #902 
  - Sometimes I feel that, as a mod, I'm too remote from other DUer's.  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 08:30 PM   #1177 
  - Love #3  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-21-10 11:43 AM   #353 
  - sounds good to me.....  madrchsod   Jun-21-10 11:45 AM   #358 
  - Good news  SargeUNN   Jun-21-10 11:45 AM   #360 
  - Can I attack Likud?  Taverner   Jun-21-10 11:47 AM   #366 
  - a mod recently locked a thread b/c s/he deemed Alternet an "inappropriate source."  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 11:48 AM   #368 
  - Was it originally sourced to Alternet...  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 11:58 AM   #397 
     - That raises the question of how many layers posters should be required to confirm  Posteritatis   Jun-21-10 01:53 PM   #642 
        - Yes, I think you should know the original source of the article...Nt  SidDithers   Jun-21-10 07:45 PM   #1124 
  - I don't think that calling a "post" a lie should be in violation...  kjackson227   Jun-21-10 11:48 AM   #370 
  - Excellent point. nt  spoony   Jun-21-10 12:43 PM   #512 
  - Calling a post a lie is accusing the other person of dishonesty.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:41 PM   #624 
     - For example  POAS   Jun-21-10 03:15 PM   #784 
     - Exactly. (nt)  Skinner   Jun-21-10 03:26 PM   #803 
        - Got it :)  kjackson227   Jun-22-10 08:37 AM   #1414 
     - Is calling a post 'bullshit' without providing any reason the same as calling it a lie?  laughingliberal   Jun-22-10 07:53 PM   #1577 
  - I think if the rules are enforced, the tone here will change for the better.  crim son   Jun-21-10 11:49 AM   #373 
  - Okay, let's take this never-ending Hugo Chavez thread, for example.  rucky   Jun-21-10 11:50 AM   #376 
  - The greatest source of my frustration  Dappleganger   Jun-21-10 11:51 AM   # 
  - What do you mean "no one is allowed to question it?"  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:45 PM   #631 
     - I ask if someone can truly call themselves a progressive  Dappleganger   Jun-21-10 03:26 PM   #804 
     - Maybe clicking on "Reply" should be the exclusive remedy for  No Elephants   Jun-24-10 07:31 AM   #1682 
  - Why be against the Green Party since their platform is very closely related  Bryn   Jun-21-10 11:51 AM   #379 
  - There are plenty of green party sites to use for that purpose.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 11:55 AM   #390 
  - Blanche Lincoln is a democrat  Bryn   Jun-21-10 11:59 AM   #400 
     - Sure can.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 12:04 PM   #406 
        - No, not really the point here  Bryn   Jun-21-10 12:11 PM   #421 
           - That's a truly pointless hypothetical  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Jun-21-10 12:15 PM   #434 
              - My post is directed at Skinner, the Admin.  Bryn   Jun-21-10 01:58 PM   #646 
  - Because the Green Party...  Skinner   Jun-21-10 01:43 PM   #626 
     - True that ... except when  Bryn   Jun-21-10 02:27 PM   #692 
  - Thanks  grantcart   Jun-21-10 11:53 AM   #386 
  - The checklist for rules violtions is an excellent addition  JHB   Jun-21-10 11:53 AM   #388 
  - So what did you change?  thewiseguy   Jun-21-10 11:57 AM   #394 
  - Excellent  CAcyclist   Jun-21-10 11:58 AM   #398 
  - Skinner, is it possible to make a suggestion? Can there be a link when a subject is moved  FedUpWithIt All   Jun-21-10 11:59 AM   #399 
  - Along those lines...  MarthaM   Jun-21-10 12:27 PM   #471 
  - Most Of It I Get But....  colsohlibgal   Jun-21-10 12:00 PM   #402 
  - Read the rules again.  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 01:48 PM   #634 
  - Post as much criticism as you like. Just leave out the hyperbole, name-calling & conspiracy theory  emulatorloo   Jun-22-10 07:57 AM   #1403 
  - I think rule 2 and rule 3 are great.  vanbean   Jun-21-10 12:01 PM   #403 
  - Have you considered cloning DU? If not, please do.  Laelth   Jun-21-10 12:01 PM   #404 
  - Well said  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:12 PM   #426 
  - Or perhaps a Progressive Forum on DU with relaxed rules? n/t  yowzayowzayowza   Jun-21-10 12:33 PM   #489 
  - So because you dont like the new rules you are asking Skinner et. al to make a new DU for you  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-21-10 12:38 PM   #498 
  - Why wouldn't they want to?  Laelth   Jun-21-10 12:48 PM   #529 
     - Because it takes a lot of time and effort.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jun-21-10 02:24 PM   #687 
        - It might be worth it. n/t  Laelth   Jun-21-10 10:27 PM   #1291 
  - Agreed!  ItNerd4life   Jun-21-10 12:43 PM   #510 
  - +1. I will always put policy and the issues ahead of individual politicians  Lorien   Jun-21-10 01:17 PM   #581 
  - great suggestion  dana_b   Jun-21-10 01:55 PM   #643 
  - Just what I was thinking n/t  lordsummerisle   Jun-21-10 05:53 PM   #1015 
  - There are some days  lordsummerisle   Jun-21-10 06:54 PM   #1071 
  - These days, it's pretty easy to fire up a discussion forum.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 07:53 PM   #1135 
  - It is not the same thing...  mirrera   Jun-21-10 10:19 PM   #1284 
  - Great suggestion!!!  mirrera   Jun-21-10 10:15 PM   #1282 
  - +1000 Wonderful post.  Jakes Progress   Jun-22-10 12:11 AM   #1341 
  - my only comment  tomm2thumbs   Jun-21-10 12:06 PM   #412 
  - I think these are good ideas.  howard112211   Jun-21-10 12:08 PM   #417 
  - So, does this now mean that I have to be nice to trolls?  MrScorpio   Jun-21-10 12:14 PM   #430 
  - Despite my star, my 1000+ posts, and my sig line, I get called a "troll" on a fairly regular basis.  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 12:19 PM   #448 
  - If this attenuates the daily attacks on liberals, "the left" and progressives  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 12:14 PM   #431 
  - If this attenuates the daily attacks on President Obama and those that support him  scheming daemons   Jun-21-10 12:26 PM   #467 
  - LOL. TG Skinner has a good sense of humor!  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 12:30 PM   #483 
  - +1  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:30 PM   #482 
  - I hope the admins will consider on rare conditions suspending a rule...  Tom Rinaldo   Jun-21-10 12:22 PM   #454 
  - Skinner, here are my thoughts...  LeftyFingerPop   Jun-21-10 12:26 PM   #466 
  - What about de facto attacks on Democrats--  Kingofalldems   Jun-21-10 12:26 PM   #468 
  - So...Would claiming that President Obama met with Insurance and/or Pharmacy Industry Reps....  Junkdrawer   Jun-21-10 12:26 PM   #469 
  - In the entire time I have been here, I have had like 2 or 3 posts deleted. The rules are really easy  Jennicut   Jun-21-10 12:28 PM   #474 
  - Well the problem here is that you're clearly too nice.  Forkboy   Jun-21-10 12:48 PM   #527 
     - Ha! I have been told I am in my regular day to day life so you may be on to  Jennicut   Jun-21-10 12:51 PM   #537 
     - BWAHAHAHA! that's a great response, imho. :)  Divine Discontent   Jun-21-10 08:42 PM   #1196 
     - We can fix that, can't we?  Jamastiene   Jun-21-10 09:10 PM   #1232 
  - I thought this was a board for democrats.....  Desertrose   Jun-21-10 12:29 PM   #479 
  - The enforcement sure has seemed a little one sided  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:31 PM   #485 
  - I'm wondering if non-partisans will survive here anymore - those who put principle over party.  scarletwoman   Jun-21-10 07:38 PM   #1113 
  - Looks good  era veteran   Jun-21-10 12:30 PM   #484 
  - So...there will be ONE PAGE and we all....  radhika   Jun-21-10 12:33 PM   #488 
  - I vote for 10 days of absolute anarchy here before any new rules are put in place.  flvegan   Jun-21-10 12:35 PM   #491 
  - I think that is the purpose of these ops, for us to lay our cards down  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 12:44 PM   #515 
  - Excellent, thank you Skinner & DU admins.  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 12:38 PM   #499 
  - A OK Skinner  Wash. state Desk Jet   Jun-21-10 12:43 PM   #511 
  - I've just read this entire thread, and I have two comments:  Bunny   Jun-21-10 12:45 PM   #518 
  - Ummmm. I can answer those for you  johnnie   Jun-21-10 12:53 PM   #542 
  - !  Bunny   Jun-21-10 01:01 PM   #553 
  - Is it not about a free exchange of ideas and thoughts for democratic minded?  Wash. state Desk Jet   Jun-21-10 01:59 PM   #648 
  - Am I allowed to answer question two?  truedelphi   Jun-21-10 03:02 PM   #755 
  - Yeah! I just found A Democratic Board!  FrenchieCat   Jun-21-10 12:46 PM   #521 
  - What was it before?  arcadian   Jun-21-10 01:28 PM   #602 
     - It was a battleground in where many considered every move made by this President  FrenchieCat   Jun-21-10 02:23 PM   #685 
        - We need a board that allows criticism of Democrats to make sure  Hissyspit   Jun-21-10 04:20 PM   #887 
        - Hate to tell you Frenchie  arcadian   Jun-22-10 09:27 AM   #1433 
           - attempted enforcement of "messaging" is a HUGE cause of incivility here  Go2Peace   Jun-22-10 11:11 PM   #1602 
  - Excellent!!!!!  Kahuna   Jun-21-10 12:48 PM   #526 
  - insensitivity? Uh uh. I'm in trouble now.  ChairmanAgnostic   Jun-21-10 12:48 PM   #528 
  - sounds very fair and reasonable to me.  Bluerthanblue   Jun-21-10 12:51 PM   #534 
  - i want to alert on your post. not sure about the category though,  La Lioness Priyanka   Jun-21-10 12:54 PM   #546 
  - How about an adult section? Or an "Underground" section?  theFrankFactor   Jun-21-10 01:03 PM   #556 
  - Cool... whatever... I am what I am  walldude   Jun-21-10 01:06 PM   #560 
  - These rules are very easy to follow.  juajen   Jun-21-10 01:07 PM   #564 
  - I think #3 is problematic.  Renew Deal   Jun-21-10 01:12 PM   #572 
  - I love rule no. 3 -- banning people frm a thread in which they've had a post deleted -- but ...  SteppingRazor   Jun-21-10 01:13 PM   #575 
  - The problem I see is that sometimes people start out having a spat  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 01:39 PM   #617 
  - I agree  Renew Deal   Jun-21-10 02:07 PM   #665 
  - That's true, but after an argument has devolved into actionable personal attacks...  SteppingRazor   Jun-21-10 02:18 PM   #677 
  - Do mods take the time to read 'alerted' posts in context?  Greyskye   Jun-21-10 05:18 PM   #968 
     - When you alert, provide the Mod with some context. It's not hard. You've discerned something...  Hekate   Jun-21-10 06:37 PM   #1055 
     - I mean: do the mods simply believe the alerter, or do they read the thread for context?  Greyskye   Jun-21-10 06:56 PM   #1073 
        - I don't know the exact situation surrounding the incident in which you described.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 08:37 PM   #1188 
           - Thanks for the info...  Greyskye   Jun-21-10 11:34 PM   #1325 
              - I bet I know what happened.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 12:49 AM   #1352 
                 - Doesn't really jive with how events unfolded.  Greyskye   Jun-22-10 04:27 PM   #1531 
                    - All I can advise is to reread what you post before hitting "post".  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 06:44 PM   #1563 
                       - I'd really appreciate your input on this:  Greyskye   Jun-22-10 06:55 PM   #1568 
                          - Ok, I'll reply to the link.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 07:21 PM   #1571 
     - Absolutely. That is why sometimes it takes so long for action, if necessary.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 08:35 PM   #1183 
  - I think you're on the right track  varelse   Jun-21-10 01:14 PM   #576 
  - THANK YOU  demtenjeep   Jun-21-10 01:21 PM   #592 
  - Will we still be able to run with scissors?  johnnie   Jun-21-10 01:30 PM   #606 
  - I see the rise of Legalism in DU's future...  NuttyFluffers   Jun-21-10 01:37 PM   #614 
  - Legalism?  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 01:45 PM   #629 
     - a Chinese political philosophy leading to the rise of Imperialism...  NuttyFluffers   Jun-23-10 08:37 AM   #1637 
  - these are good rules for the most part, but the place where push comes to shove most often  branders seine   Jun-21-10 01:40 PM   #619 
  - what was my problem this morning?  branders seine   Jun-21-10 07:08 PM   #1081 
  - So is Lieberman off the table? Is he a 'bad' Democrat gone right?  Dover   Jun-21-10 01:40 PM   #620 
  - Lieberman is not a Democrat. He's an Independent.  Political Tiger   Jun-21-10 01:44 PM   #627 
  - I guess my point was not clear. Before LIEberman left the party DU tore him a new one  Dover   Jun-21-10 02:18 PM   #678 
  - He refers to himself as an independent Democrat.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 02:46 PM   #725 
  - Isn't Joe an Independent, no longer a member of the Democratic Party?  Spazito   Jun-21-10 02:18 PM   #676 
     - See my reply above ^  Dover   Jun-21-10 02:38 PM   #713 
  - as i read through it, i was hoping to see  shireen   Jun-21-10 01:44 PM   #628 
  - are other progressives protected the way Obama is?  Enrique   Jun-21-10 01:45 PM   #632 
  - I like that question!....n/t  Dover   Jun-21-10 01:55 PM   #644 
  - Skinner, you're a peach. I don't know where you & the other Admins get your patience, but thank you  Hekate   Jun-21-10 01:48 PM   #633 
  - How about re-instituting "Ask the Admins". That was always a fun forum  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 01:49 PM   #636 
  - Bravo  FlaGatorJD   Jun-21-10 01:52 PM   #640 
  - DU does have an interesting history dynamic  deadinsider   Jun-21-10 01:59 PM   #650 
  - How about banning members from linking to Fox  RedEarth   Jun-21-10 02:01 PM   #655 
  - This looks kind of good. Have you ever considered, in addition to moderation, somekind of mediators  patrice   Jun-21-10 02:03 PM   #660 
  - I think you make a good suggestion. However, the Mods are all volunteers, so I'm not sure that,  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 08:42 PM   #1198 
     - Yeah, that's what I expected. I'm sure it's hard enough just to get Mods, but  patrice   Jun-21-10 10:09 PM   #1278 
  - Under 'Inflammatory', could we also add:  Myrina   Jun-21-10 02:04 PM   #661 
  - I think the Barack Obama Group(BOG) should be disbanded  arcadian   Jun-21-10 02:07 PM   #664 
  - +1 n/t  Catherina   Jun-21-10 02:15 PM   #673 
  - Can you point to a specific comment calling for  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 02:24 PM   #688 
  - Just look at any of the many locked threads in the BOG.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 02:43 PM   #716 
  - what attacks? nt  CBR   Jun-21-10 02:33 PM   #705 
  - Fabulous idea!  donco6   Jun-21-10 02:51 PM   #732 
  - Not really. I don't belong. I didn't get my invite...  Kahuna   Jun-22-10 08:49 AM   #1419 
     - The new rules are very clear  donco6   Jun-22-10 01:21 PM   #1492 
  - "Secret clubhouse"? LOL. Just knock on the door any time, but bring a good attitude & fresh cookies  Hekate   Jun-21-10 02:52 PM   #735 
  - What? We have cookies there?!  azmouse   Jun-21-10 07:31 PM   #1110 
  - Sigh, I never got any cookies........oh bother........n/t  POAS   Jun-22-10 05:45 AM   #1379 
  - Or, someone will say, "Why are you posting in our group?"  spoony   Jun-21-10 10:15 PM   #1281 
  - I'm sure you'd be welcome there if you could be  babylonsister   Jun-21-10 03:37 PM   #826 
  - Actually I posted this very thing in the BOG  arcadian   Jun-21-10 08:21 PM   #1166 
     - How might you know what problems the mods have had there?  babylonsister   Jun-21-10 09:18 PM   #1236 
        - Go to the BOG and look at all the locked threads  arcadian   Jun-21-10 09:40 PM   #1256 
  - +1. Or maybe that should be the only forum where you CAN'T criticize the President.  chimpymustgo   Jun-21-10 03:50 PM   #841 
  - secret clubhouse?  FrenchieCat   Jun-21-10 03:59 PM   #852 
  - Good Lord. Fellow BOG'ers -- I see we'll have to change our passcodes. nt  quiet.american   Jun-21-10 04:50 PM   #933 
  - No way, you've just pointed it out to me!  Greyskye   Jun-21-10 05:46 PM   #1009 
  - How is it a secret clubhouse? Can you not go there and read the  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 08:01 PM   #1144 
  - the BOG is sadly toxic to the larger DU community -- fomenting all sorts of dysfunctional behavior  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 08:55 PM   #1214 
     - Wow, I thought we were just a dusty little corner of the DU universe.  quiet.american   Jun-22-10 10:09 AM   #1446 
  - Overall a good set of rules...  POAS   Jun-21-10 02:11 PM   #667 
  - Hey Skinner.  Control-Z   Jun-21-10 02:11 PM   #668 
  - "before the rest of the community has had a chance to even read the OP"  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 02:16 PM   #675 
     - Did I say it "stopped"  Control-Z   Jun-21-10 04:29 PM   #898 
  - Skinner - I think this is a good clarification on a lot of things. A few comments from me.  cascadiance   Jun-21-10 02:14 PM   #670 
  - Skinner...it might be time for a name change. The current name implies that  KoKo   Jun-21-10 02:14 PM   #672 
  - Or Democratic Common Ground, maybe n/t  IDemo   Jun-21-10 02:19 PM   #679 
  - Or Democratic Echo Chamber, perhaps?  kenny blankenship   Jun-21-10 02:21 PM   #683 
     - +1  Individualist   Jun-21-10 02:49 PM   #728 
     - Somehow, that doesn't seem helpful.  MineralMan   Jun-21-10 08:03 PM   #1147 
        - Agree...I did an honest post about Name Change and got snarked....  KoKo   Jun-21-10 08:24 PM   #1170 
        - truth hurts  Moochy   Jun-22-10 10:20 AM   #1447 
     - +1  theFrankFactor   Jun-21-10 03:25 PM   #802 
  - There already are "Democratic Forum" sites, and it could be confusing.  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 02:20 PM   #681 
  - I agree, KoKo  JanetLovesObama   Jun-21-10 02:28 PM   #695 
  - PRECISELY!!!!!!  theFrankFactor   Jun-21-10 03:24 PM   #799 
  - Lies (And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them)  Ignis   Jun-21-10 02:21 PM   #682 
  - Of course!  Skinner   Jun-21-10 03:09 PM   #771 
     - Excellent.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 03:29 PM   #811 
  - I find it telling that a particular contingent of DUers is in LOVE with this thread. nt  Smashcut   Jun-21-10 02:23 PM   #684 
  - I like winning elections and kicking Republican ass, and I want this board to be all about that!  FrenchieCat   Jun-21-10 02:27 PM   #694 
  - You really should bookmark that post for yourself, Frenchie Cat. n/t  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 02:30 PM   #699 
  - I don't know what that means.  FrenchieCat   Jun-21-10 02:45 PM   #723 
  - Good idea. I will. n/t  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 02:57 PM   #747 
  - That was an unfair swipe.  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 02:54 PM   #740 
     - And another vote for not tearing down Democrats. Good.  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 02:59 PM   #750 
  - +1000000000000  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 02:30 PM   #700 
  - I want DEMS to win but...  deadinsider   Jun-21-10 02:33 PM   #704 
  - Agree with you, but there is a fine line  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 02:36 PM   #710 
  - Again....my opposition are Republicans......as this is a two party system for the most part.  FrenchieCat   Jun-21-10 02:53 PM   #738 
  - You are a pramatist; and much appreciated  deadinsider   Jun-21-10 03:02 PM   #756 
     - There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why...  laughingliberal   Jun-22-10 02:13 AM   #1365 
  - I think you're discussing another now taboo subject . . .!! ??  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 04:45 PM   #925 
  - I like supporting Democratic values and principles and ensuring the people NOT the  saracat   Jun-21-10 02:59 PM   #751 
  - +1000% ...  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 04:47 PM   #928 
  - Same here  Bryn   Jun-23-10 01:56 AM   #1612 
  - Here you go --  Hell Hath No Fury   Jun-22-10 04:40 PM   #1534 
     - +1, attempting to enforce messaging is a big component of the fighting here  Go2Peace   Jun-22-10 11:30 PM   #1606 
  - I find it equally telling that you did not identify such a contingent  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 02:29 PM   #697 
  - Imo, what we're having is a split on how we do that.  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 02:37 PM   #712 
  - +1  Barack_America   Jun-21-10 02:41 PM   #715 
  - I think it's a combination of both facets you mentioned.  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 02:52 PM   #733 
     - I didn't advocate for such a solution although in practice, it has already happened.  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 03:02 PM   #753 
  - I'd like a party that draws power from people and principles, not just politics  Smashcut   Jun-21-10 02:44 PM   #722 
  - I'd like a house on the Riviera, too.  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 08:32 PM   #1178 
  - "What kind of DU would you like to see?"  Hell Hath No Fury   Jun-22-10 04:49 PM   #1535 
  - Very telling.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 02:53 PM   #737 
  - Not this Progressive.  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 02:57 PM   #745 
     - And what, exactly, do you consider a "microissue?"  Smashcut   Jun-21-10 05:31 PM   #979 
     - So that's what ignored is talking about.  Individualist   Jun-21-10 07:54 PM   #1137 
     - We all have them. But is it good to base your actions on one?  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 08:28 PM   #1175 
     - Maybe that's what needs to be clarified. What are 'microissues'  sabrina 1   Jun-22-10 05:17 PM   #1538 
  - 'ignored' seems to LUUUURVE it!  Bluebear   Jun-21-10 04:08 PM   #870 
  - On both computers!  Ignis   Jun-21-10 08:22 PM   #1168 
  - Interesting kind of ignore, where you see the responses anyway in other peoples posts.  KonaKane   Jun-21-10 09:02 PM   #1218 
     - I have the same poster on ignored..  girl gone mad   Jun-23-10 07:34 AM   #1628 
  - You could say the same about those who are most vocal AGAINST the changes.  CakeGrrl   Jun-21-10 06:30 PM   #1049 
  - Do these rules apply to all the forums equally?  Nikki Stone1   Jun-21-10 02:26 PM   #691 
  - Yes  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 08:14 PM   #1160 
  - Isn't it nice to get an answer from an administrator...oops, I mean  kiva   Jun-21-10 09:07 PM   #1227 
  - "Ignored" always thinks s/he should be able to speak to the rules  Nikki Stone1   Jun-21-10 10:19 PM   #1285 
     - Skinner already answered the question above  HughMoran   Jun-22-10 08:42 AM   #1417 
  - Answered up thread, yes  tammywammy   Jun-22-10 10:20 AM   #1448 
  - Can you add not belittling all the people that live in a particular state? ie: Arizona!!  jillan   Jun-21-10 02:27 PM   #693 
  - Add: Idaho, Texas, Florida  IDemo   Jun-21-10 02:34 PM   #707 
  - I empathize... but I'd say our southern colleagues probably  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 02:35 PM   #708 
  - I think that's covered under "Insensitive"  Lone_Star_Dem   Jun-21-10 03:03 PM   #761 
  - I see some very positive changes here! Good work!  HuckleB   Jun-21-10 02:29 PM   #696 
  - What's in a label re: 'D'?  deadinsider   Jun-21-10 02:29 PM   #698 
  - The only thing I worry about is bad language. I don't think your asking to much from us. I  southernyankeebelle   Jun-21-10 02:30 PM   #701 
  - I love DU. I really do...  whatchamacallit   Jun-21-10 02:39 PM   #714 
  - I especially like this part: "the illegitimate, incompetent asshole who previously held the office"  Hekate   Jun-21-10 02:44 PM   #718 
  - what did you say?  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 02:57 PM   #746 
     - I was so furious I initially walked off, then returned...  Hekate   Jun-21-10 03:50 PM   #842 
        - sounds like you were the perfect ones to answer him  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 04:06 PM   #862 
  - So I can't use "bitch" when talking about Sarah Palin anymore?  Arkana   Jun-21-10 02:46 PM   #724 
  - Moron always applies....  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 03:34 PM   #821 
  - OK  Radical Activist   Jun-21-10 02:50 PM   #731 
  - 752 replies since this morning? Is that some kinda record?  Liberal_in_LA   Jun-21-10 02:52 PM   #734 
  - I think it must be indicative of something... what, I'm not sure...  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 03:03 PM   #759 
     - Proves what I've always said. DUers are most interested in DU itself, for good or for ill. nt  mistertrickster   Jun-21-10 03:09 PM   #772 
  - More rules please! The list wasn't long enough  Liberal_in_LA   Jun-21-10 02:55 PM   #741 
  - My suggestion: Make more fine-grained moderation controls.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 02:55 PM   #742 
  - Good points  deadinsider   Jun-21-10 03:07 PM   #769 
     - Definitely, use the database.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 03:09 PM   #773 
  - So we can still type "fuck cheney!" because he is a lowlife repuke  Rex   Jun-21-10 03:04 PM   #762 
  - HA ; )  deadinsider   Jun-21-10 03:10 PM   #774 
     - Preach it brother!  Rex   Jun-21-10 03:25 PM   #801 
  - A few comments.  Behind the Aegis   Jun-21-10 03:06 PM   #766 
  - I like the idea of citing the violated rule, it's like sports referees do.  MissMarple   Jun-21-10 03:19 PM   #791 
  - K&R  Cetacea   Jun-21-10 03:07 PM   #767 
  - Skinner, as a whole I think this is a positive change  NJmaverick   Jun-21-10 03:07 PM   #768 
  - What leads you to believe that alert number has anything to do  tekisui   Jun-21-10 03:40 PM   #831 
  - The number of alerts has nothing to do with action.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 05:31 PM   #981 
  - If posts were deleted by popular vote  spoony   Jun-21-10 10:11 PM   #1280 
  - K & R  Better Believe It   Jun-21-10 03:08 PM   #770 
  - I like the new rules, but you need to say a few words about disruptors and infiltrators  adamuu   Jun-21-10 03:10 PM   #775 
  - Agreed. Disruption falls partially under the category of inflammatory posting...  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 03:27 PM   #807 
     - Yeah. Good working, there.  adamuu   Jun-21-10 04:02 PM   #856 
  - This will cramp the Fl Senate race discussion  Mojorabbit   Jun-21-10 03:11 PM   #778 
  - I have already given up the hope  Dappleganger   Jun-21-10 03:24 PM   #798 
  - And that's now a taboo subject . . . right?  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 04:59 PM   #948 
  - Skinner  deadinsider   Jun-21-10 03:15 PM   #783 
  - I was wondering why  limit18   Jun-21-10 03:17 PM   #785 
  - Have been curious for some time as to why "age" is not included in the list of "iinsensitive"  DrDan   Jun-21-10 03:18 PM   #787 
  - On a similar note, what about the tolerance of broad brush swipes at low income housing inhabitants?  Gormy Cuss   Jun-21-10 03:34 PM   #819 
     - absolutely . . . I occasionally use that phrase only to quickly be correctly by my wife  DrDan   Jun-21-10 03:39 PM   #828 
     - My aunt just said to me, "Honey, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear."  Jamastiene   Jun-22-10 01:08 AM   #1357 
        - You don't feel trashy?  Gormy Cuss   Jun-22-10 11:04 AM   #1466 
  - It would appear that you guys have given this subject a lot of thought and I feelthat you have come  BrklynLiberal   Jun-21-10 03:19 PM   #789 
  - thanks-sounds good  katty   Jun-21-10 03:24 PM   #797 
  - Thanks! K & R  tandot   Jun-21-10 03:25 PM   #800 
  - I would suggest modifying rule 3 a bit.  Odin2005   Jun-21-10 03:27 PM   #806 
  - You realize how many anti-vaxx threads I'll likely get kicked out of?  TZ   Jun-21-10 03:34 PM   #820 
     - Knowing the behavior of one particular anti-vaxer towards me, I agree with you  Odin2005   Jun-21-10 09:02 PM   #1216 
  - K&R  Enthusiast   Jun-21-10 03:29 PM   #809 
  - So, play nice,kids, use your big words, be civil, use your manners. Channel your inner grown up.  MissMarple   Jun-21-10 03:29 PM   #810 
  - "Channel your inner grown up" I love it! nt  babylonsister   Jun-21-10 03:48 PM   #839 
  - Upon rereading  whatchamacallit   Jun-21-10 03:33 PM   #818 
  - Was reading something in the BO Group and it seemed a solidly good idea  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 03:43 PM   #834 
  - Agree . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 05:07 PM   #957 
     - Thanks for the support. More openness, more democracy.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 05:17 PM   #967 
  - Sounds like you're more interested in Cheerleading Camp  MedfordTim   Jun-21-10 03:53 PM   #847 
  - + infinity  theFrankFactor   Jun-21-10 04:07 PM   #863 
  - Dangerous echo chamber as dangerous under Obama as under Bush n/t  Catherina   Jun-21-10 04:30 PM   #900 
  - Indeed . . .  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 05:11 PM   #960 
  - What if they give out a "Spirit Stick" every day?  TexasObserver   Jun-21-10 06:17 PM   #1038 
  - doesn't seem that way to me  fishwax   Jun-22-10 12:20 AM   #1343 
  - If what you're going for is a mutual admiration society for one side of the Duopoly  ProudDad   Jun-21-10 03:57 PM   #849 
  - We should be in front of the curve not holding up the ass of it.  theFrankFactor   Jun-21-10 04:04 PM   #859 
  - Elegant.  Bluebear   Jun-21-10 04:07 PM   #866 
  - +1  Hissyspit   Jun-21-10 04:34 PM   #906 
  - Well said!  Individualist   Jun-21-10 04:54 PM   #940 
  - ^^^ What he said.  Smashcut   Jun-21-10 05:37 PM   #995 
  - Thank you for this thoughtful reply that reflects my thoughts. n/t  myrna minx   Jun-22-10 06:27 AM   #1386 
  - that's pretty much how i feel, too. nt  tomp   Jun-23-10 10:06 AM   #1649 
  - You know what would be really, really cool?  ProudDad   Jun-21-10 03:59 PM   #850 
  - my idiotic attempt at humor...self delete.  cliffordu   Jun-21-10 04:02 PM   #855 
  - sounds great  Vattel   Jun-21-10 04:02 PM   #858 
  - New Rules  november3rd   Jun-21-10 04:07 PM   #867 
  - (so calling Dick Cheney a cocksucker is out, right?). .  annabanana   Jun-21-10 04:15 PM   #881 
  - Makes sense. I will join the chorus on bringing back the Ask the Admin Forum, though.  Skip Intro   Jun-21-10 04:18 PM   #882 
  - The William Pitt banning illustrates something disturbing...  JackRiddler   Jun-21-10 04:19 PM   #883 
  - With respect to all concerned, I am upset by this as well...  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 04:27 PM   #895 
  - I think he said something about Obama's ears.  Dr. Hemlock   Jun-21-10 10:43 PM   #1306 
     - So you registered, took the time to go through a thread of >1300  hlthe2b   Jun-22-10 12:07 AM   #1340 
  - 900 posts and not one "deleted message"  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-21-10 04:29 PM   #899 
  - +1 Indeed.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 04:46 PM   #927 
  - My understanding is that Will Pitt did something that would get him banned from ANY  Hissyspit   Jun-21-10 04:36 PM   #909 
  - By the way, I just researched the matter...  JackRiddler   Jun-21-10 04:38 PM   #915 
     - I would only note his older posts are unaffected.  Robb   Jun-21-10 04:49 PM   #930 
        - I believe that his journal is gone...  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 04:50 PM   #934 
        - That's just an index, the posts are still there. nt  Robb   Jun-21-10 04:54 PM   #938 
        - Google is a different matter...  JackRiddler   Jun-21-10 05:01 PM   #951 
  - Another suggestion: Progressive discipline.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 04:19 PM   #885 
  - All actions taken with members is done between the member and Admin/Mods.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-21-10 09:18 PM   #1237 
  - Bill Maher might be jealous of so many New Rules, but even so....  DFW   Jun-21-10 04:20 PM   #886 
  - I'd like to see the word RACIST added under "Personal Attacks" -  lynne   Jun-21-10 04:22 PM   #891 
  - As long as there is a distinction between calling a person racist  AspenRose   Jun-21-10 07:01 PM   #1075 
     - Agreed. That's why it would be listed under "Personal Attacks" -  lynne   Jun-21-10 10:53 PM   #1309 
  - Please add whining about the 'unrecommend'  kirby   Jun-21-10 04:28 PM   #897 
  - Better yet, clarify when recommends or unrecommends are appropriate.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 04:38 PM   #914 
  - self-delete - I'm moving this to a reply to the OP.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 04:44 PM   #920 
     - Oops, my post was intended to be a reply to Skinner's OP.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 04:49 PM   #929 
  - Or we can get rid of unrecommend and solve that problem in one shot.  Renew Deal   Jun-21-10 04:46 PM   #926 
  - Yeah... That Unrec Feature Sure Keeps Things Civil, LOL !!!  WillyT   Jun-21-10 06:50 PM   #1066 
     - Uhh...  kirby   Jun-21-10 10:05 PM   #1275 
  - Could we have a Conservative pinata  The Wizard   Jun-21-10 04:36 PM   #911 
  - I would change "Holocaust Skepticism" to "Holocaust Denial / Revisionism."  Ian David   Jun-21-10 04:42 PM   #919 
  - seconded. -eom  Justitia   Jun-21-10 06:01 PM   #1024 
  - Number 2... "when a post is deleted"...  MrMickeysMom   Jun-21-10 04:44 PM   #922 
  - Good job with the "new" rules. #3 is sorely-needed.  SteveM   Jun-21-10 04:50 PM   #932 
  - It's the lack of transparency that many people find disheartening.  inna   Jun-21-10 04:50 PM   #935 
  - Well, I'm happy w/99% of the new rules & I don't envy you your jobs  blueworld   Jun-21-10 04:56 PM   #943 
  - Brilliant and long overdue! I have a suggestion...  Liberal_Stalwart71   Jun-21-10 05:00 PM   #949 
  - I can't believe the response to this. (1000 posts!)  Renew Deal   Jun-21-10 05:00 PM   #950 
  - A good number of well liked Progressives were recently stoned  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 05:16 PM   #966 
     - Oh, horseshit.  Robb   Jun-21-10 05:35 PM   #991 
     - How very civil. Adds to the debate I am sure.  saracat   Jun-21-10 05:40 PM   #1001 
     - If the rules of debate included making things up, you'd have a point.  Robb   Jun-21-10 05:47 PM   #1011 
     - Used the search feature for Robb and Horseshit. 5510 hits!  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 05:41 PM   #1005 
     - Delete  Robb   Jun-21-10 05:45 PM   #1008 
     - Ya gotta admit that was sort of funny, eh Robb?  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 05:52 PM   #1014 
        - Thanks  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 06:00 PM   #1021 
           - Whatever you do  Robb   Jun-21-10 06:08 PM   #1028 
              - he's got ya there, Mithreal... 16,500  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 06:14 PM   #1034 
              - It was amusing though, guess I win :)  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 10:31 PM   #1294 
              - Clever. Thank you, come again!  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 06:15 PM   #1035 
              - Robb?  arcadian   Jun-21-10 08:39 PM   #1191 
     - ROFL!  Justitia   Jun-21-10 06:03 PM   #1026 
     - It's getting out of hand  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 06:39 PM   #1060 
     - Not true. Ask Midlo and KitchenWitch and FinFan.  Shell Beau   Jun-21-10 10:05 PM   #1274 
     - I imagine that labeling a group of people as the "in-crowd"  LanternWaste   Jun-21-10 07:32 PM   #1111 
        - Oh please. Suggest an alternative that conveys the same information that doesn't tweek  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 07:41 PM   #1116 
  - Perhaps let the "banned" appeal in a year for reinstatement?  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 05:02 PM   #952 
  - Sometimes banned people do get a second chance.  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 08:26 PM   #1173 
     - Yes.. I know... I'm actually referring to a few of the more egregious  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 08:34 PM   #1182 
  - Seems like we have a healthy discussion of DU and its future going here.  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 05:03 PM   #953 
  - What about liberal/leftist entities other than the US Democratic Party?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-21-10 05:05 PM   #955 
  - Get back to watching soccer, you fuckwit.  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 07:17 PM   #1093 
  - even though I've been a monetary contrubutor to DU, I no longer come here very much...  thotzRthingz   Jun-21-10 05:09 PM   #958 
  - Thanks for the hard work that went into this. I rate you A-plus for diplomacy.  lamp_shade   Jun-21-10 05:14 PM   #961 
  - Diplomacy always looks better when you're not the one  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 05:21 PM   #971 
  - The posters in your thread are extensions of youself  Bluenorthwest   Jun-21-10 05:14 PM   #962 
  - Making omelets, cracking eggs.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 05:20 PM   #969 
  - Teh Gays deserved it  LostinVA   Jun-21-10 05:36 PM   #992 
  - #2 above is a good idea  customerserviceguy   Jun-21-10 05:24 PM   #974 
  - While you're making changes, could you do something about the...  TheManInTheMac   Jun-21-10 05:30 PM   #978 
  - Well, if you could keep the  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 05:33 PM   #984 
     - Hey, I love the occasional lounge rat infestations into GD...  TheManInTheMac   Jun-21-10 07:38 PM   #1114 
        - that's the...  hlthe2b   Jun-21-10 08:04 PM   #1150 
  - I think that donations have dropped off, and there is a need to placate the DLC donors.  Grinchie   Jun-21-10 05:31 PM   #980 
  - So your position is  Egnever   Jun-21-10 05:37 PM   #997 
  - If you have even been following this board recently at all .  saracat   Jun-21-10 05:44 PM   #1007 
  - OK, a *loud* handful.  Robb   Jun-21-10 05:54 PM   #1018 
  - The response to this thread proves you are right.  tekisui   Jun-21-10 05:56 PM   #1019 
  - thats why its got a positive rec count right?  Egnever   Jun-21-10 06:25 PM   #1047 
     - Please understand this  Catherina   Jun-21-10 07:01 PM   #1076 
     - Right so only if the rec count was negative would it be valid  Egnever   Jun-21-10 08:22 PM   #1167 
     - You disagree with this thread?  tekisui   Jun-21-10 10:10 PM   #1279 
     - Not at all  Egnever   Jun-21-10 11:35 PM   #1326 
     - So you measure things by Positive Rec Count? That's Hilarious  Grinchie   Jun-21-10 10:41 PM   #1305 
     - Admin posts always get recced up.  girl gone mad   Jun-23-10 07:41 AM   #1629 
  - many more, my hairy arse...  Whisp   Jun-26-10 12:30 AM   #1693 
  - I', amazed that you call some idiots who actually believed in the campaign promises....  Grinchie   Jun-21-10 10:31 PM   #1295 
  - "there is definately evidence that certain aliases are nothing more than Propaganda outlets "  sufrommich   Jun-21-10 05:40 PM   #1002 
  - Sorry, I'd get tombstoned  Grinchie   Jun-21-10 10:33 PM   #1296 
     - Right. You've got super secret evidence of a conspiracy.  sufrommich   Jun-22-10 05:36 AM   #1377 
  - Do you think the DLC has bought Skinner?  woo me with science   Jun-22-10 07:07 AM   #1392 
  - until there are neutral mods who dont have an opinion,  iamthebandfanman   Jun-21-10 05:32 PM   #982 
  - Until there are humans that don't have opinions,  JTFrog   Jun-21-10 09:45 PM   #1257 
  - What about posts accusing another poster of telling people to STFU.  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 05:34 PM   #985 
  - Re: Groups - Can we describe groups as being conservative democrats?  ShamelessHussy   Jun-21-10 05:34 PM   #986 
  - Wow, I hardly know what to say--for a change. Some rules sound reasonable.  bertman   Jun-21-10 05:35 PM   #989 
  - +1 Well said.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 05:43 PM   #1006 
  - what do they care?  iamthebandfanman   Jun-21-10 05:47 PM   #1010 
  - +1  inna   Jun-21-10 05:59 PM   #1020 
  - So you are swinging to the right?  scubadude   Jun-21-10 05:35 PM   #990 
  - You haven't broken any.  Skinner   Jun-21-10 06:55 PM   # 
     - Cool, it just seems there has been a steady erosion rightward.  scubadude   Jun-21-10 08:00 PM   #1143 
  - What about mocking and ridiculing obvious trolls?  backscatter712   Jun-21-10 05:37 PM   #998 
  - Oh YEAH.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jun-21-10 09:07 PM   #1224 
  - much love Skinner  mkultra   Jun-21-10 05:40 PM   #999 
  - I'm worried about the "attack against Democrats" rule.  SpankMe   Jun-21-10 05:40 PM   #1000 
  - It's like herding Cats!  Bravo Zulu   Jun-21-10 05:47 PM   #1012 
  - my two and half cent...  kgnu_fan   Jun-21-10 05:52 PM   #1013 
  - Skinner...no offense but some cat upstream who is "so concerned" gives many of us "concern"  YOY   Jun-21-10 05:53 PM   #1016 
  - I think more transparency in moderation would help this.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 08:43 PM   #1200 
     - It's not "perhaps." It's happening. However, we work in private with members.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 01:38 PM   #1496 
        - Thanks for the reply, KT. I'll try to clarify what I muddled above:  Ignis   Jun-22-10 01:53 PM   #1500 
           - I can understand what you're saying.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 02:08 PM   #1506 
  - Will obnoxious thread starters then be barred from their own thread?  TexasObserver   Jun-21-10 06:00 PM   #1022 
  - I have a concern or two about rule three.  Dr Morbius   Jun-21-10 06:02 PM   #1025 
  - That was one of the most disturbing "rules"  ProudDad   Jun-22-10 12:44 PM   #1480 
  - Bravo! + Infinity! A+ Outfreaking Standing  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-21-10 06:04 PM   #1027 
  - I just donated based on this  USArmyParatrooper   Jun-21-10 06:11 PM   #1030 
  - I'm all for making the DU the best we as a community can be  Omaha Steve   Jun-21-10 06:12 PM   #1031 
  - Thank You For The Clarification Skinner  WillyT   Jun-21-10 06:14 PM   #1033 
  - Number three makes me nervous.  AspenRose   Jun-21-10 06:16 PM   #1036 
  - Ditto. n/t  vaberella   Jun-21-10 06:38 PM   #1056 
  - I think this is an excellent proposal  HughMoran   Jun-21-10 06:17 PM   #1037 
  - All in all, I think it;s a good idea and workable...  LanternWaste   Jun-21-10 06:29 PM   #1048 
  - Thanks, Skinner.  DFLforever   Jun-21-10 06:36 PM   #1052 
  - Yeah, like the rules but Measure # 3 does bug me. A lot.  vaberella   Jun-21-10 06:37 PM   #1054 
  - blah,blah, more rules, blah,blah  dkofos   Jun-21-10 06:38 PM   #1057 
  - This is all fine sounding in principle,  MadHound   Jun-21-10 06:38 PM   #1058 
  - K & R  aikoaiko   Jun-21-10 06:39 PM   #1059 
  - Can "other" read as poverty?  maryf   Jun-21-10 06:40 PM   #1062 
  - I had the same question. nt  laughingliberal   Jun-22-10 02:22 AM   #1367 
  - I agree  dotymed   Jun-22-10 09:26 AM   #1432 
  - You guys do a great job, and we appreciate your asking for suggestions  KatyaR   Jun-21-10 06:42 PM   #1063 
  - If you follow my advice you will never be banned  Mathilda   Jun-21-10 06:51 PM   #1070 
  - You seem to know a lot about DU.  Blue-Jay   Jun-21-10 07:21 PM   #1097 
  - Sounds good to me.  undeterred   Jun-21-10 06:55 PM   #1072 
  - I like this rule a lot: "Belittling someone for being new or having a low post count."  savalez   Jun-21-10 06:59 PM   #1074 
  - That is a very good point.  AngryOldDem   Jun-21-10 07:09 PM   #1083 
  - Sounds like some folks have too much time on their hands.  deaniac21   Jun-21-10 07:08 PM   #1079 
  - Holy crap, I think you need to let go, not grab harder.  Bonobo   Jun-21-10 07:10 PM   #1085 
  - Thank you my favorite ape on DU. I agree with you about this also.  uppityperson   Jun-21-10 07:23 PM   #1099 
  - And, since that communication to the Admins is hidden...  Bonobo   Jun-21-10 07:41 PM   #1117 
  - I can't speak for other mods, but...  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 08:20 PM   #1165 
     - I think you can safely speak for all of us.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 01:12 AM   #1359 
  - +1 Well said.  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 07:25 PM   #1103 
  - +1 for a return to open accounting.  Ignis   Jun-21-10 09:49 PM   #1259 
  - Agree . . . I think this will have a chilling effect --  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 10:45 PM   #1307 
  - +100000000  woo me with science   Jun-22-10 06:30 AM   #1388 
  - Good stuff  Politicub   Jun-21-10 07:11 PM   #1088 
  - I like #2. I think #3 might be a bit too draconian.  Crunchy Frog   Jun-21-10 07:13 PM   #1090 
  - I have to leave, then, since several of these rules forbid me to state the truth:  DutchLiberal   Jun-21-10 07:14 PM   #1091 
  - I agree with your first part...  Lucian   Jun-21-10 08:51 PM   #1211 
  - I think you are spot on.  Powdered Toast Man   Jun-21-10 07:15 PM   #1092 
  - I'm all for it. n/t  deacon   Jun-21-10 07:19 PM   #1096 
  - Attacks on D but not R ?  reasonable1   Jun-21-10 07:24 PM   #1102 
  - I think deleting posts is, in most cases, an immensely bad idea.  Kitsune   Jun-21-10 07:27 PM   #1104 
  - The idea is to keep things running smoothly.  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 08:15 PM   #1161 
  - So where does that leave Lieberman?  quakerboy   Jun-21-10 07:28 PM   #1105 
  - LIEbermann is NOT a Democrat. He is an Independent Douche.  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 07:37 PM   #1112 
     - He caucases with the democrats.  quakerboy   Jun-21-10 08:00 PM   #1141 
     - Who did Sanders support for President in 2008??  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 08:39 PM   #1192 
        - Who did Lieberman support in 2004?  quakerboy   Jun-21-10 11:01 PM   #1313 
     - He caucases with the democrats.  quakerboy   Jun-21-10 08:04 PM   #1148 
        - Who did Joe LIEberman support in the 2008 Presidential Election. nt  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 08:40 PM   #1193 
  - Perfect!  nankerphelge   Jun-21-10 07:28 PM   #1106 
  - Sounds good to me  ismnotwasm   Jun-21-10 07:30 PM   #1107 
  - Hi Skinner . . . Thanks for asking "So, what do you think?" ---  defendandprotect   Jun-21-10 07:42 PM   #1119 
  - +1 Well done  Mithreal   Jun-21-10 07:53 PM   #1136 
  - nicely said. the "common villain" theme is very interesting...  nashville_brook   Jun-21-10 08:48 PM   #1207 
  - Excellent post n/t  Catherina   Jun-21-10 09:02 PM   #1217 
  - Very fine post. nt  spoony   Jun-21-10 09:59 PM   #1270 
  - Thank you  Oilwellian   Jun-21-10 10:50 PM   #1308 
  - Truly,how do you sharpen the Democratic party knife? With butter?  theFrankFactor   Jun-22-10 11:03 AM   #1465 
  - Very well said ~  sabrina 1   Jun-24-10 04:02 PM   #1685 
  - DU has become part of the party...  mirrera   Jun-21-10 07:45 PM   #1125 
  - that's pretty much my sentiment  G_j   Jun-21-10 09:50 PM   #1260 
  - having joined DU in early 2001 - I have seen a lot of changes and  UpInArms   Jun-21-10 07:45 PM   #1126 
  - K&R  BumRushDaShow   Jun-21-10 07:47 PM   #1129 
  - Thumbs up to that, admins. Also I am extremely comfortable with  saltpoint   Jun-21-10 07:52 PM   #1134 
  - I do agree, and I'm damn glad to be here!  blue neen   Jun-21-10 08:23 PM   #1169 
  - I think these new rules are very stifling  lbrtbell   Jun-21-10 08:26 PM   #1174 
  - I would like to see Rasmussen polls banned on DU  bluestateguy   Jun-21-10 08:36 PM   #1186 
  - If you think somebody is posting it to be inflammatory, by all means alert...  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 08:42 PM   #1197 
  - Good grief. 1200 posts on how to post. I'm going to go read a book.  rug   Jun-21-10 08:41 PM   #1194 
  - I could give you pointers on your posting style.  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 08:44 PM   #1201 
  - Like?  rug   Jun-21-10 08:45 PM   #1204 
  - Too late.  EFerrari   Jun-21-10 09:03 PM   #1220 
  - Skinner. Can you FREE THE DUCK!!  madinmaryland   Jun-21-10 08:43 PM   #1199 
  - I got your free duck right here pal  taterguy   Jun-22-10 06:53 AM   #1391 
  - Short version : don't post anything that you wouldn't say in real life to  hedgehog   Jun-21-10 08:59 PM   #1215 
  - There is a smartass in every crowd. You had to know that.  Jamastiene   Jun-21-10 09:03 PM   #1219 
  - Over 1000 posts...  Captain Boomerang   Jun-21-10 09:07 PM   #1225 
  - I think the expressed desire to welcome various viewpoints and attempting to dictate  TheKentuckian   Jun-21-10 09:07 PM   #1226 
  - Right when cursing was determined by study to help me live longer.  lonestarnot   Jun-21-10 09:13 PM   #1234 
  - It was all worth it to me  Robb   Jun-21-10 09:17 PM   #1235 
  - If cursing were a removable offense...  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 09:21 PM   #1238 
     - So I can't say to Danger Mouse "fuck you asshole?"  lonestarnot   Jun-21-10 09:30 PM   #1245 
        - As tempting as it may be, no.  Danger Mouse   Jun-21-10 09:34 PM   #1250 
           - But Danger Mouse would never be able to know what I'm actually "saying." Are we going to be banned  lonestarnot   Jun-21-10 09:38 PM   #1254 
  - Rules are still on the benign side for me..  BanTheGOP   Jun-21-10 09:28 PM   #1242 
  - Not to be picky, but isn't Obama the first Democrat President in a long time  Dr. Hemlock   Jun-21-10 09:28 PM   #1243 
  - No, actually, it is the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party.  Jamastiene   Jun-22-10 12:47 AM   #1351 
  - Play nice or get out....?  and-justice-for-all   Jun-21-10 09:34 PM   #1249 
  - No, "play my song or get out." nt  spoony   Jun-21-10 09:56 PM   #1264 
  - +1 000 000 000  kestrel91316   Jun-21-10 09:36 PM   #1251 
  - Thank you for providing an outlet for this long-overdue discussion.  Bobbie Jo   Jun-21-10 09:38 PM   #1253 
  - What penalty is there for a person who  hulka38   Jun-21-10 09:39 PM   #1255 
  - its COOL w me...mahalo  opihimoimoi   Jun-21-10 10:26 PM   #1289 
  - Kudos on #3  SoCalDem   Jun-21-10 10:27 PM   #1292 
  - IBTL. Thankyou, Skinner. Thanks, mods. nt  pinboy3niner   Jun-21-10 10:34 PM   #1297 
  - Agreed  BlueDemKev   Jun-21-10 10:37 PM   #1301 
  - thanks! I think the rules make sense and will do my best to honor them.  earcandle   Jun-21-10 10:40 PM   #1304 
  - Very reasonable rules  rury   Jun-21-10 10:55 PM   #1311 
  - I think some people have never been on other forums  realisticphish   Jun-21-10 11:05 PM   #1314 
  - doublepost nt  realisticphish   Jun-21-10 11:06 PM   #1315 
  - Is it ok to say, under the rules that  placton   Jun-21-10 11:06 PM   #1316 
  - You could be on to something there.  Spike from MN   Jun-24-10 08:52 AM   #1683 
  - I think the country is headlong into fascism. Without a paradigm shift in the party,  grahamhgreen   Jun-21-10 11:25 PM   #1321 
  - I Don't Like Our Current Education Policy  Dinger   Jun-21-10 11:30 PM   #1324 
  - Don't think so, but it's hard to tell.  Nikki Stone1   Jun-21-10 11:46 PM   #1327 
     - LOL, That Made Me Laugh,  Dinger   Jun-21-10 11:53 PM   #1330 
  - You need to re-examine your system of volunteer moderators  Stephanie   Jun-21-10 11:54 PM   #1331 
  - but  realisticphish   Jun-22-10 12:02 AM   #1335 
  - In theory  Stephanie   Jun-22-10 12:03 AM   #1336 
  - That is just bullshit. There are mods that are allowed to do whatever they want. And,  Subdivisions   Jun-22-10 12:06 AM   #1338 
  - There can not be a "rogue mod" since all actions require concensus.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 01:54 AM   #1363 
     - Hell, from what I've seen, mods DESERVE kickbacks!  pinboy3niner   Jun-22-10 04:13 AM   #1371 
  - September 11 forum comes to mind for some reason. n/t  Subdivisions   Jun-22-10 12:05 AM   #1337 
  - Oh no! A rogue!  Blue-Jay   Jun-22-10 12:37 AM   #1350 
  - I'd like a forum for locked threads.  A-Schwarzenegger   Jun-21-10 11:56 PM   #1333 
  - You just made a joke of DU.  Daemonaquila   Jun-22-10 12:13 AM   #1342 
  - I could while away the hours  Blue-Jay   Jun-22-10 12:33 AM   #1348 
  - I fully support your quest . Good luck n/t  Catherina   Jun-22-10 04:53 PM   #1537 
  - +1  theFrankFactor   Jun-22-10 11:40 AM   #1474 
  - The Fine Print  zenprole   Jun-22-10 12:22 AM   #1344 
  - We will have to see if the "Insensitive , Geographic region or place of origin"  Haole Girl   Jun-22-10 12:30 AM   #1346 
  - We've been consistently removing these, and even countries of origin.  NYC_SKP   Jun-22-10 12:53 AM   #1355 
  - We have only two political parties in this country  scentopine   Jun-22-10 12:30 AM   #1347 
  - Congrats - Sounds Good - We'll See  Jakes Progress   Jun-22-10 12:35 AM   #1349 
  - "or having a low post count."  jennied   Jun-22-10 12:49 AM   #1353 
  - I didn't read through all the comments, so if this is duplicated somewhere,  BlueMTexpat   Jun-22-10 12:49 AM   #1354 
  - Generally, Kudos....  xocet   Jun-22-10 01:07 AM   #1356 
  - D/U is choking under it's censorship rules  WileEcoyote   Jun-22-10 01:11 AM   #1358 
  - You realize that Maddow, Cenk (sink), and Papantonio have their own websites, right?  Blue-Jay   Jun-22-10 01:36 AM   #1361 
     - I suppose they do  WileEcoyote   Jun-22-10 10:36 AM   #1456 
  - These new rules sound pretty good to me.  Wednesdays   Jun-22-10 01:13 AM   #1360 
  - So the orders are march in lockstep or else. Ain't that so Skinner?  earth mom   Jun-22-10 02:22 AM   #1366 
  - The only more thankless job than running DU is being President  Shanti Mama   Jun-22-10 03:10 AM   #1368 
  - I think it's great.  lovemydog   Jun-22-10 04:01 AM   #1370 
  - I'm new here  Robert DAH Bruce   Jun-22-10 04:46 AM   #1372 
  - Great proposal. Now perhaps we can post without fear.  Paper Roses   Jun-22-10 04:55 AM   #1373 
  - From your lips to SKINNERS ears.  POAS   Jun-22-10 06:03 AM   #1382 
  - Why does conspiracy theory go to the 9/11 forum?  freedom fighter jh   Jun-22-10 05:36 AM   #1378 
  - Censorship is NEVER good..  Raoul   Jun-22-10 06:00 AM   #1381 
  - self-deleted. I just found where my question's been answered...  Violet_Crumble   Jun-22-10 06:22 AM   #1385 
  - Goodbye DU  kuroman992   Jun-22-10 06:36 AM   #1389 
  - Welcome to DU! and goodbye.  madinmaryland   Jun-22-10 07:44 AM   #1399 
  - If you can't provide constructive criticism without a nasty 'call out'  HughMoran   Jun-22-10 08:44 AM   #1418 
  - Do the rules against attacks on groups include attacks on "all people who believe X"? N.T?  Donald Ian Rankin   Jun-22-10 07:37 AM   #1397 
  - This is a very long thread. I wonder if I am going to kill it here.  AngryAmish   Jun-22-10 07:40 AM   #1398 
  - IBTL??  madinmaryland   Jun-22-10 07:46 AM   #1401 
  - It all sounds good, reasonable and enforceable. None of this is  flamin lib   Jun-22-10 07:44 AM   #1400 
  - ITA!!!!!!!!!!!  mfcorey1   Jun-22-10 07:50 AM   #1402 
  - I don't like that if you get a post deleted, you're blocked from posting in the thread.  Lucian   Jun-22-10 08:02 AM   #1405 
  - Get deleted from one minor subthread, you are then blocked from actual dialogs elsewhere in thread..  Greyskye   Jun-22-10 04:53 PM   #1536 
     - Blocking?  Again_ and_again   Jun-22-10 06:14 PM   #1554 
     - Um, hi?  Greyskye   Jun-22-10 06:32 PM   #1562 
     - I understand that you feel like it would really suck.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 07:25 PM   #1572 
        - I see it more as "we understand people can make a mistake"  uppityperson   Jun-23-10 02:15 AM   #1614 
        - It is understood that people can make a mistake. That's not in question at all.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-23-10 08:06 AM   #1632 
           - I understand that, also that while I've had a few removed over the yrs, some have been in total conf  uppityperson   Jun-23-10 11:48 AM   #1656 
        - Those are good points.  Greyskye   Jun-23-10 09:36 AM   #1644 
  - Dissent.  westerebus   Jun-22-10 08:23 AM   #1410 
  - I agree  I_cry_bullshit   Jun-22-10 10:01 AM   #1443 
  - Again  The_Insanity   Jun-22-10 12:20 PM   #1477 
     - Banned yet again.  Again_ and_again   Jun-22-10 05:58 PM   #1550 
     - I sense a self-fulfilling prophesy in the making.  Greyskye   Jun-22-10 06:47 PM   #1564 
     - lol -- yes, sockpuppets usually get banned  fishwax   Jun-22-10 07:53 PM   #1576 
        - Catch-22  lets do this all day   Jun-22-10 08:46 PM   #1583 
           - that aside, and whatever the story of your initial banning, my point was in reference to  fishwax   Jun-22-10 09:39 PM   #1590 
           - You don't get banned "for no reason" AND there is a way to get back in  Maeve   Jun-23-10 08:29 AM   #1634 
           - It is hilarious reading this in hindsight!  janx   Jun-24-10 04:42 PM   #1686 
  - +1  theFrankFactor   Jun-22-10 11:37 AM   #1471 
  - Your 'R' rules are very, very subjective  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-23-10 04:04 AM   #1616 
     - R rated.  westerebus   Jun-23-10 08:33 AM   #1636 
  - I'm worried about the word "conservative" becoming a pejorative.  harmonicon   Jun-22-10 08:30 AM   #1413 
  - good ideas there.  BootinUp   Jun-22-10 09:11 AM   #1427 
  - WHY DOES SKINNER HATE AMERICA?  SoxFan   Jun-22-10 09:14 AM   #1430 
  - I think it's your forum and you should do what you think is best. As for this set  NC_Nurse   Jun-22-10 09:27 AM   #1434 
  - Will those changes include, now or ever, an acknowledgment of  LWolf   Jun-22-10 09:33 AM   #1435 
  - Malware or False Positive  A Physicist   Jun-22-10 09:42 AM   #1436 
  - That IP address (66.45.255.98) resolves to the following domain names:  thotzRthingz   Jun-22-10 10:27 AM   #1453 
     - Thank You  A Physicist   Jun-22-10 11:19 AM   #1468 
  - "If you agree, we'd love to have you here." - New motto for DU?  Yuugal   Jun-22-10 09:52 AM   #1440 
  - I wholeheartedly would support that. +1  Catherina   Jun-22-10 11:38 AM   #1473 
  - The simple answer: ban Disruptors and Trolls  tranche   Jun-22-10 09:57 AM   #1441 
  - I think as founder of this site Mr Allen, that such things are your calls to make.  jotsy   Jun-22-10 09:58 AM   #1442 
  - Sounds like this will become a "no dissent allowed" site  eflatminor_99   Jun-22-10 10:23 AM   #1451 
  - There seems to be  pecwae   Jun-22-10 10:27 AM   #1454 
  - Mods work by concensus only. One Mod never makes a decision to lock or delete.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 01:58 PM   #1501 
     - Thank you, yes, I do know that.  pecwae   Jun-22-10 03:46 PM   #1525 
     - Nothing has changed. The guidelines are the same and the Moderating practices are the same.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 05:30 PM   #1542 
     - What a crock  Again_ and_again   Jun-22-10 06:25 PM   #1560 
        - Uh-huh. Never broken a rule?  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 06:29 PM   #1561 
  - All good points and ...  mntleo2   Jun-22-10 10:37 AM   #1457 
  - No one is ever banned by surprise.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 02:04 PM   #1504 
     - This is simply not true  not really here   Jun-22-10 03:49 PM   #1526 
        - I have no idea who you are, but I can state, without exception, that you were not surprised.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 05:20 PM   #1540 
        - I don't know how you could say that, since I know I was  not really here   Jun-22-10 05:43 PM   #1545 
        - I can easily say that because no one is ever banned without prior contact. Period.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 05:54 PM   #1548 
           - It wasn't my experience  not really here   Jun-22-10 06:11 PM   #1553 
              - Ok. Whatever you say. This meme is just going to continue, I can tell.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 06:19 PM   #1558 
        - He is speaking the truth.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-22-10 09:16 PM   #1585 
           - From what you can tell.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 09:23 PM   #1588 
              - I'm not sure how much more clear cut it could be.  lumberjack_jeff   Jun-22-10 10:37 PM   #1599 
                 - Depending upon the member, the situation, etc. dirty laundry is never aired publicly.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 10:44 PM   #1601 
                    - You know this isn't true, you know things were posted PUBLICLY  LostinVA   Jun-23-10 07:33 AM   #1627 
                       - Ok, whatever you need to say. I'm not going to continue helping you push that meme.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-23-10 07:58 AM   #1630 
                          - "Dirty Laundry is never aired in public"  TZ   Jun-23-10 08:19 AM   #1633 
                             - Someone's status is not dirty laundry. And the reason for said status is not always dirty laundry.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-23-10 08:41 AM   #1638 
                                - You probably need this right about now  mtnester   Jun-27-10 11:24 AM   #1695 
        - One thing I can say for sure; the mods did not ban you  muriel_volestrangler   Jun-22-10 06:25 PM   #1559 
           - I was Minstrel Boy  not really here   Jun-22-10 06:53 PM   #1566 
           - Yes, this exactly.  Kerrytravelers   Jun-22-10 09:18 PM   #1587 
              - There is only one question remaining here.So will you admit your mistake or will you lie?  Usrename   Jul-01-10 09:39 PM   #1701 
  - DemocraticOverlords.com  Orsino   Jun-22-10 10:39 AM   #1458 
  - Yesterday's SC ruling may make DU illegal anyway  Bragi   Jun-22-10 10:50 AM   #1461 
  - awesome!  Blue_Roses   Jun-22-10 10:53 AM   #1462 
  - Don't trample the 1st Amendment, it's not just for journnalists...  orbitalman   Jun-22-10 11:21 AM   #1469 
  - Too many rules make people not wanna play anymore.  Shine   Jun-22-10 12:59 PM   #1483 
  - It's called management by exclusion... place restrictions and barriers  scentopine   Jun-22-10 08:56 PM   #1584 
  - Question  cal04   Jun-22-10 01:02 PM   #1484 
  - no  mopinko   Jun-22-10 10:36 PM   #1598 
     - thank you mopinko  cal04   Jun-23-10 05:52 AM   #1621 
  - That we do not march in "lock step" makes us different from the righties  RiverStone   Jun-22-10 01:11 PM   #1487 
  - How does an "enlightened view" jive with censorship?  TBF   Jun-22-10 01:37 PM   #1495 
  - These "examples" of over the top are disturbing...  ProudDad   Jun-22-10 01:11 PM   #1488 
  - A for effort  whatchamacallit   Jun-22-10 02:47 PM   #1513 
  - Case in Point...  ProudDad   Jun-22-10 02:55 PM   #1517 
  - I like number 2 though I don't usually get deleted..  mmonk   Jun-22-10 01:29 PM   #1494 
  - I have been here for a long time but with all the rules I just won't be here anymore.  sandyj999   Jun-22-10 01:59 PM   #1502 
  - Why not have a free for all subforum?  Cary   Jun-22-10 02:02 PM   #1503 
  - That's what I suggested further up. Perhaps "alt.flame" much like how usenet did this years ago!  cascadiance   Jun-22-10 02:07 PM   #1505 
  - Whatever  Plucketeer   Jun-22-10 02:18 PM   #1508 
  - You don't need glasses. Maybe just a little perspective.  KonaKane   Jun-22-10 02:45 PM   #1512 
  - No, I don't want anotherGOP Prez in the oval office  Plucketeer   Jun-22-10 04:36 PM   #1533 
     - Good luck with Grayson.  KonaKane   Jun-22-10 05:34 PM   #1543 
  - My rose colored glasses are broken. And I still have freedom of thought, just not here .  sandyj999   Jun-22-10 03:55 PM   #1527 
  - You can't call someone a "conservative"??? That is way extreme. It's no different than calling...  judesedit   Jun-22-10 02:47 PM   #1514 
  - Since you asked what I think, here are my thoughts  Liblu