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Nimrod1 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:47 PM
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Keith and Maddow's shows suffered in ratings last night
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/06/16/cable-news-ratings...

Viewers left in droves due their criticism of the speech.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:50 PM
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1. imagine that
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:27 PM
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17. BIG NBA game with the two most popular teams. Potentially decisive.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:14 PM
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28. the game was over within the first 30 mins though
so plenty of time for non-Laker fans to catch the first twenty times the shows get rerun.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:24 PM
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37. No first half lead is safe in the NBA. nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:52 PM
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2. I watched for a few seconds, saw where Keith was going and said Adios.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:24 PM
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38. Dissent is bad!!!
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:53 PM
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3. Where in that source does it say
that viewers "left in droves due to their criticism of the speech?"
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:55 PM
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5. Yeah, I missed that part in the link, too. Kind of a leap, IMO.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:54 PM
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4. could you post specifically the stats...
...that support your premise?

Cuz I don't see how you figured it.
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Nimrod1 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 04:57 PM
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6. The # of viewers are lower than usual
Rachel got only 800,000+, usually, she gets a million.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:26 PM
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16. and how were the numbers on other networks?
And did you look deeply enough to see that the numbers just a few days ago were 582,000 for Rachel and 955,000 for Keith? (June 11)

That's significantly lower than last night's 582,000 for Rachel and 1,083,000 for Keith.

So what was your premise again?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:40 PM
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31. Probably pizza or
maybe a wreath :evilgrin:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:28 PM
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18. Huh, correlation does not prove causation. NBA finals, perhaps? nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:33 PM
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23. BINGO! Potentially decisive game with 2 most popular teams...Michelle O was there!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:00 PM
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7. Well, I don't know what the usual numbers are but I usually watch both...
...and turned it off about five minutes into Keith's show.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:29 PM
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19. Yup me too
I read enough President O bashing here to do me, don't need to watch it on the tube too.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:04 PM
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8. yhow right...
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:10 PM
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9. Welcome to DU Nimrod1
The highest rated liberal and progressive website in the world! :hi:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:18 PM
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10. Keith and Rachel have never struck me
as people who hold back criticism because people want to hear sugarcoated news or opinions.

I'm not sure what some folks are going to do for news, though. Fox is out, rightwing, we all get that. And CNN. Now MSNBC. And Huffington Post ... and Raw Story and Common Dreams and even the Daily Show. And Helen Thomas. And Krugman.

What I'm seeing is that journalists who were independent of the administration under Bush were hailed for not being white house toadies. And now people are turning on them for the exact same reason they once looked to them - precisely because their criticism is harsh and not tainted by feel-good puff pieces.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:59 PM
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35. I just always wonder why President Obama can be bashed whenever,
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 07:00 PM by FrenchieCat
and that's so good and "healthy" for democracy and shit,
but other folks can't be criticized once in the while,
although many are in our face each and everyday.....
or it means they have been thrown under the bus?

Why is it that they always have to be right about their opinion?
(cause most times, that's all it is).

Personally, I don't think they always are.

imperfection is a common thread as it resides
in all of us, often enough.

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:32 PM
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39. I've done my share of criticizing Keith
lots of people here have. I don't think ANYONE should be above criticism when they earn it. :)
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 01:34 AM
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42. DINGDINGDINGDING! We have a winner!
Thank you, noamnety. It's disgusting that the same DU that carped and whined about Fox News being in the White House's back pocket when Bush was president now carps and whines when someone on MSNBC dares to say something contrary about the current president.

I thought the commitment of journalists was to be to the truth, regardless of where it lies. You don't see them criticizing Olbermann and Maddow when they praise Obama. But when they criticize him? It's "Out you two pixies go!" All of a sudden, they're just Fox Lite, or closet rightwingers, or too afraid of their corporate overlords to speak the "truth," or "fabricating a narrative," or what have you...and they MUST be turned off, they MUST be thrown under the bus, they are DEAD TO US!!!!!!!

Oh, and then after that comes the parade of DU'ers patting themselves on the back for having thrown out their TVs 20 years ago, and preening in front of everyone because they think it makes them look so brilliant to not ever watch TV news at all...

Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:21 PM
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11. LOLOLOL Keith and Rachel, you don't need no ticket, just get on board....
Or under board.

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:32 PM
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22. Everyone but Dylan Ratigan is under there -- why not?
It's far easier to toss them under the bus than take a big reality whiff, it seems. :eyes: :shrug:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:34 PM
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25. Well said. nt
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:35 PM
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26. I think we need a fleet of buses
to be honest. That's a big bus, but nowhere near big enough for all those who have been thrown under it on a daily basis it seems now. I know Noam Chomsky landed there a few weeks ago and he was late getting there.

I wonder if the party loyalists have figured out a simple fact. The more people they feel the need to toss under the bus, the more evidence that is that the numbers of people, most of them supporters of the President, who are expressing disappointment in his policies, is growing rapidly. And that should, although so far it doesn't appear to have, caused them to ask themselves why they appear to be a shrinking minority?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:35 PM
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27. They never really loved him. n/t
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:16 PM
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29. +1 nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:22 PM
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12. NBA
finals.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:23 PM
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13. NBA game
keep wishing
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:24 PM
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14. Here's the Breakdown
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 05:27 PM by RamboLiberal
Here's the way the numbers broke out in overall viewership and in the key demographic of viewers ages 25 to 54.

First, during all of prime time (8:00-11:00 p.m. (ET):

Fox News: 2,545,000 in total viewers (569,000 in 25-54)
CNN: 1,043,000 in total viewers (358,000 in 25-54)
MSNBC: 797,000 in total viewers (239,000 in 25-54)

Here's the way viewership played out during the presidential address from 8:01-8:18 p.m. (ET):
Fox News: 2,880,000 in total viewers (656,000 in 25-54)
CNN: 1,234,000 in total viewers (433,000 in 25-54)
MSNBC: 1,144,000 in total viewers (230,000 in 25-54)

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/201...

8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Pres Address/Analysis (8:00 – 8:05) – 3,575,000 viewers (941,000) (1,560,000)
Presidential Address(8:05 – 8:20) – 2,971,000 viewers (694,000) (1,153,000)
The O’Reilly Factor (8:20 – 9:00)– 3,642,000 viewers (869,000) (1,619,000)
Obama Addr: Gulf Oil Spill (8:00 – 8:20) – 1,298,000 viewers (469,000) (612,000)
Obama Addr: Analysis (8:20 – 9:00) – 1,470,000 viewers (531,000) (742,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 1,083,000 viewers (306,000) (579,000)
Presidential Address (8:20 – 9:00) – 1,308,000 viewers (387,000) (666,000)
New Age of Wal-Mart (8:00 – 8:20) – 146,000 viewers (64,000) (72,000)
President Address (8:20 – 9:00) – 156,000 viewers (53,000) (75,000)
Nancy Grace – 973,000 viewers (327,000) (565,000)

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Hannity – 2,499,000 viewers (575,000) (1,080,000)
Larry King Live —965,000 viewers (323,000) (509,000)
Rachel Maddow Show —865,000 viewers (228,000) (457,000)
Bio: Ray Kroc — 248,000 viewers (96,000) (118,000)
Joy Behar – 632,000 viewers (175,000) (301,000)

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/06/16/cable-news-ratings...

And this was Monday's numbers.

8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor – 3,373,000 viewers (776,000) (1,428,000)
Campbell Brown – 433,000 viewers (181,000) (194,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 1,262,000 viewers (319,000) (620,000)
Big Mac: Inside McDonalds – 160,000 viewers (71,000) (78,000)
Nancy Grace – 722,000 viewers (213,000) (333,000)

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Hannity – 2,596,000 viewers (636,000) (1,218,000)
Larry King Live —749,000 viewers (194,000) (317,000)
Rachel Maddow Show —1,218,000 viewers (312,000) (597,000)
Bio: Ray Kroc — 175,000 viewers (a scratch w/52,000) (90,000)
Joy Behar – 662,000 viewers (163,000) (316,000)

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/06/15/cable-news-ratings...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:24 PM
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15. Lakers-Celtics. Potential decisive game. Mobama was there. DUH!!!!
Edited on Wed Jun-16-10 05:25 PM by Captain Hilts
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:30 PM
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20. Well I left because I wanted to watch something else. I do want the pundit to disagree with the
president if they think he isn't right. I mean it is refreshing. Bush pin heads agreed and always followed like lemmings.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:31 PM
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21. of course, people turning off their TV's after the speech had *nothing* to do with it, right?
People were expecting *big* and got *you got to pray* -- ?????

Spin baby spin. :sarcasm:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 05:33 PM
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24. .....
dizzy yet? :rofl: :rofl:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:39 PM
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30.  Can you prove that was the reason?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:42 PM
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32. I turned them off too... I wonder if they get that
if we want to see constant Obama bashing, we'll turn to Fox?
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 12:51 AM
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40. so you think MSNBC "constantly" bash Obama.
no doubt you think DU constantly bashes Obama, too.
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ProgressiveVictory Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:44 PM
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33. we need to get Faux noise off the top.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 06:49 PM
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34. You know, I had a Corona with my pizza last week and they were out of limes, so I had a wedge
of lemon with it.

When I got home, the wind had blown a large limb out of our big oak and I had to get out the chain saw to get in the driveway.

I'm never going to let them substitute lemon for lime again!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-10 07:10 PM
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36. FTW
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 01:27 AM
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41. Well, by cracky, THAT'll teach 'em!!!!!!
You showed 'em, kids!!!! From now on, they'll NEVER say ANYTHING that YOU disagree with EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!

...sheesh. :shrug:
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-10 02:03 AM
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43. This whole damned thread is a joke!
With all of the problems facing Our Nation and Great Society, isn't there a better use of time than to sit around checking the TV "news" ratings hour-by-hour?

Sometimes it seems like the inanity that possesses the screeching teamonkeys is starting to possess this website.
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