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wpsedgwick Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:15 AM
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U.S. Market for Small Wind Turbines Gained Ground in 2009
Source: Examiner

The U.S. market for small wind turbines expanded by 15 percent in 2009 and accounted for about half of the units sold globally, according to the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA).

The trade group released its annual Small Wind Turbine Global Market Study on June 8, focusing on wind turbines with rated capacities of 100 kilowatts or less, which are primarily used to power individual homes, farms, and small businesses.

Read more: http://www.examiner.com/x-42287-Chicago-Green-Technolog...
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 09:56 AM
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1. Press release journalism
I realize it's just the examiner, but this is press release journalism at its worst. Truth is the difference between this an propaganda is hard to define.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:12 AM
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2. Sometimes it is so hard to tell;
But you are missing your sarcasm icon!
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wpsedgwick Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:44 AM
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3. Propaganda?
I'm confused at how stating fact is propaganda? Do you actually do any reading, or just sit at your computer and spew nonsense. Pathetic dude.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:51 AM
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5. Technically it is
The nicer phrase would have been "advocacy journalism". But basically, facts alone do not prevent it from being propagand. A good lie rests heavily upon the truth. The entire article was roughly a synopis (if not a reguritation) of a press release from an industry source. I would bet a good dollar none of the "facts" were checked. Additionally, I'd bet that one could easily find folks to put those "facts" in a different light. It was written to present the facts in a favorable light.

It's a bit like Popular Mechanics. You can go back decades and find all manner of wonderful things that are "about to go into production" or otherwise apparently ready for "prime time", and yet here we are 2 decades later and they still don't exist. I can't tell you how many "flying cars" they have written about over the years. Their purpose is to interest readers, not vet actual industrial progress.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:21 PM
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6. Uh, dude, this article is for units already sold, not going to sell.
You do understand that right?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:40 PM
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7. Yes, I do.
I also understand that it is from press release and they made little if any effort to either fact check it, or do any independent anlaysis/investigation/journalism at all. The took everything the industry writer said at face value, unchecked, and reprinted it.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:45 PM
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8. So your saying that they lied about units already sold?
What reason would that be for?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 12:47 PM
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9. I'm saying it is written with a point of view
The point of view of the person providing the facts. Which facts were left out which did not support the point of view?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:04 PM
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10. Unit sold in 2009 (A) - Units sold in 2008 (B) = Change in activity (C)
A-B=C

You would use this as a way to find, by %, if your units sold has increased or decreased. Has math changed since I was in school?

What other variable would you install in this equation that would be for "point of view"?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:56 PM
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12. Who were the customers?
Where did the money come from?

What usage level was/is acheived?

What increase/decrease in cost is associated?

It's like when Palin used to announce all of these huge book buys, only to find out she had bought many of them.

There is more than the raw numbers to a story. And the what the numbers themselves represent often require some definition.

Did you know that the chicken you buy "fresh, never frozen" can be stored at 20F. What temperature does water freeze?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 02:43 PM
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13. New domestic wind turbines popped all over Maine last year
I saw 4 new ones in my town alone

:thumbsup:
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:40 PM
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16. That's kinda what I'm a wonderin'
There's been a push for fairly small wind turbines lately. But it seems to be focused on a market that is relatively "unsophisticated". I'm wondering if it is roughly "hobbiest" or some subsidized market of some sort. Or possibly like we had here in Florida a decade ago that was running around putting solar water heaters on peoples roofs. There was some rebate program available and marketers jumped on it. Within a couple of years the rebates were gone, so were the marketers, and the units were falling out of use.

And I've seen fairly credible explanations upon why small turbines are a very niche application. So I begin to wonder quickly what is going on.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:09 PM
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14. What does that have to do with the article, which is amount sold?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:36 PM
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15. It's called market analysis
And there was none in that article. You have a sudden shift in a market, the next obvious question is why. They left that to supposition and inference...... intentionally.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:36 PM
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17. Market Analysis? Were was that intended in the article at all?
It gave a basic math fundamental. Christ, next you will say they left out what colors were sold.

This was not a business prospectus they were giving nor did they imply it.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-10-10 06:51 AM
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19. Right in the headline
"U.S. Market for Small Wind Turbines..."

It was not a business prospectus, and it was not a piece of journalism. It was a press release from an industry.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 10:45 AM
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4. you do realize that alert is your friend
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 01:38 PM
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11. Great to hear!! eom
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 04:42 PM
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18. I saw a "personal" wind turbine a couple of weeks ago
It was just cranking away in the Gulf wind, making plenty of power for that home.

I would love to get one for my place (providing it is not too expensive, as I would have to raise it up about 40 extra feet to get over the treetops).

A friend about 20 miles west powers about 35% of his use with one, but it is in the open. And he put his together for $1800.

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