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Verde Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:58 PM
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"For a black man, you live longer in prison than you do out of prison."
Just heard that on Dobbs' show. And I believe it. I would also believe the statement if applied to any race.

What does that say?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:59 PM
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1. it says that Lou Dobbs is trying to keep the WRONG people
out of this country.
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Verde Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 07:01 PM
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2. LOL! You gotta watch them riff-raff!
And Lou is a closet racist IMHO.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:57 AM
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11. with the door flung wide open
just saying
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 07:11 PM
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3. All prisoners receive
Edited on Tue Jan-30-07 07:12 PM by liberalnurse
the BEST and IMMEDIATE health care. They have 10 fold better than our elderly and disabled tax paying citizens.:shrug: :banghead:
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 07:39 PM
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4. oh really???
read about the torture, mistreatment, and negligence at the Carswell facility here:
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=4112

and here:
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=3980

and here (excellent story):
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=3881

and here (at bottom of page):
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=3792

and here (another excellent article):
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=3325

and here (another excellent article):
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=2691

and here (about Susan McDougal's stay there):
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=671

and here (seventh guard at Carswell convicted of sexual abuse)
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=1479

and here (guards and doctors sexually abuse inmates at Carswell):
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=2119

and here (nuns protesting "School of the Americas" sentenced to Carswell):
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=2211

and here (more Carswell prison rape):
http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=2489
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 09:00 PM
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5. How many Nursing Home elderly and/or
house bound individuals have you tried to give health care to in the past 4 years?

Example:

Denture replacements.....An elderly 83 year old female named Rita with memory loss post stroke has forgotten her dentures on her lunch tray after eating in the Main Dinning Room with her best friends, Harry and Louise. The tray with the dentures went to the kitchen where her teeth were unknowingly tossed into the trash and never seen again. So, without her teeth she will not go to daily social events with friends and peers because she is embarrassed, her speech is almost unintelligible as it is difficult to articulate without teeth and has already been compromised by the mild stroke. She can only eat puree food and it will be 4-6 months before she can possibly get her new dentures....

Why so long? Well consider, it will take 4-6 weeks at best for her to be seen and fitted by the dentist. They need to get Medicare approval FIRST for payment then the, appointment scheduling occurs after approval. Arrangements for transportation need approval too, then she only has her first visit! It's been 6 weeks and she still only can consume puree foods, no socialization and no FIBER in her diet thus she is constipated...and really has lost her appetite for food anyways due to the bland puree selections and the discomfort of constipation. She has now lost 18 pounds.

She is seen by the dentist and a dental mold is obtained for a new denture; she returns to the Nursing Home, still no teeth yet...continues on puree food...She returns to the dentist in 4 weeks to see how her mold/temporary plate fits...."Oh my, the are way too loose!" She can't eat with floppy teeth! Why are they so loose? She had an additional weight loss of 7 pounds and without any denture to support the jaw bone she sustained severe gum shrinkage. But at this phase, she has lost interest in life itself.....She is depressed, anti-social, her clothes don't fit due to the weight loss...she has become incontinent of urine and stool....She surrenders....and dies before the refitted dental plate is completed.


Now, Rita's grandson-in-law Jake, 32, was in the state prison where he is serving time for manufacturing methamphetamine. He was in a fight with his celly on a Thursday night. His left incisor tooth was knocked out. He could still eat without any problem because he continued to enjoy his beef steaks and fresh fruit and cheese he purchased from Commissary. When he smiled, he just didn't look quite as pretty as before. Now, he is well known to the Dental Department in Medical since he has had a root canal with caps completed by the prison dentist because we all know" meth-mouth" rots ones teeth. Meth was his drug of choice. So, Jake new the routine....Put in an emergency "kite" request and call his lawyer. Jake was seen the following Tuesday...His dental work was promptly attended to and he again look so very pretty.


Okay........Do you see the difference? This is a true story.


:shrug:
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 10:26 PM
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6. Well. one difference i see is...
my story has links and reporters names...

yours has...????
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:12 AM
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7. I can trump thoese links any day
with my professional credentials and true story experience.O8)
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:54 AM
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9. so, anecdotal trumps reporting and analysis.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 07:56 AM
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12. Glad you saw this discussion
Knew you would have much real world experience to draw educated commentary from.

In truth LN I believe some places (like where you are at) are a bit more humane in how they treat prisoners, unlike some areas.

Julie
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 06:57 AM
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10. I respectfully disagree!
I know of an inmate in an Illinois facility who had to take the IDOC to court to get his Hep C treatment! I know of another who was given no treatment at all. I know of inmates at the same facility who walked around with life threatening hernias. And these are just the tip of the iceburg.

No, liberalnurse, inmates do NOT get the best and immediate health care, not by a long shot.

Jenn
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:32 AM
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8. "For a Republican-American, you live longer in prison than you do out of prison."
Oh, yeah, that new phrase is gonna come in handy!

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