Why doesn't THIS warrant a BREAKING NEWS banner?

[fooj]

AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS CALL FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5271014

Air controllers call for criminal investigation Eyewitness News Exclusive

New York - WABC, May 3, 2007) - The air traffic controllers who were exposed to that carbon monoxide now want a criminal investigation into why they weren't allowed to leave their control center, even though they were dizzy and disoriented -- and trying to direct hundreds of planes.

<snip>

Air Controller's interviews from Wednesday:

"It was like a fog," said controller Ray Maldonado.

"Sometimes it felt like I couldn't clearly put together something that I normally would have at any other time. You know what I mean?" air controller John Conklin said.

"I remember just being extremely fatigued ... very tired, very sleepy. It took a lot to stay awake that night," Maldonado said.

"Headaches, nausea, dizziness, disorientation, fatigue, inability to focus, not able to concentrate. We had these employees who were in no condition to do this job being directed to continue with this job," said Iacopelli.

"They said, 'no, we're not calling the fire department,'" Conklin said.

"The employees there said, 'Well, we'll call the local fire department and have them come in to test the air. And the operations manager in charge informed them that, 'If you make the call, I will not let them in the gate and I will refuse them entry into the control room,'" Iacopelli said.

<snip>

The videos are quite telling. MUST SEE! They are at the ABC link provided.

Sounds like DOMESTIC terrorism to me. In New Jersey, of ALL places!!! Hmmmm...

I've yet to see this ANYWHERE but on DU (thanks to flyarm) and the ABC affiliate. That's all, folks. Nothing to see here.

[Vinca]

1. Sheesh . . . you have to ask?

Was Paris Hilton on one of the planes?

[Catherine Vincent]

2. K&R!

I will view the video when I'm home. Thanks fly!

[Monkeyman]

3. We Tried to get this up on a Youtube ABC will not allow it

[Bjorn Against]

7. And now it looks like ABC removed it from their site as well...

Seems they don't want people seeing this story for some reason.

[fooj]

12. No. It was me. I fixed the link.

:blush: Sorry.

[Selatius]

14. Maybe it's somebody with powerful friends on the board of directors at Walt Disney World, Inc.

:shrug:

[ThomCat]

4. Because they can't blame brown people?

:shrug:

Seriously, if they could use this for fear-mongering I'm sure they would be all over it.

[Nite Owl]

5. Clicked on the abc link

and the abc web site said 'page not found'. It wasn't a windows type page it was abc.

[fooj]

9. Thanks for the heads-up! I fixed the link...it's viewable now.

[Bjorn Against]

6. It looks like the video was removed from the site

Anyone have an alternate link?

[fooj]

10. Just fixed the OP...the link takes you to the ABC site now.

[Uncle Joe]

8. Thanks for the thread fooj

Kicked and recommended.

[babylonsister]

11. I guess we can only hope someone with some pull (KO?) realizes

that there could be a very big story here. Oh, and K&R.

[fooj]

13. Especially since there was that HUGE arrest in NJ today!

;)

In New Jersey, of all places! Imagine that!

[FloridaJudy]

24. Would "project censored" be interested?

http://www.projectcensored.org/censored_2006/index.htm

[fooj]

25. You bet!

Sounds like a GREAT way to get the word out! Thanks!

[FloridaJudy]

27. I tried to submit the story to their website

But never got a "your submission is acknowledged" message. Maybe some others could try as well.

http://www.projectcensored.org/

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. Please, don't fall into the "anything I don't like is terrorism" trap

The vatican did it last week; there's no need for it here too.

[fooj]

18. Noted. However, a criminal act was committed here.

It needs to be investigated.

[fooj]

20. Definition of terrorism

defined by the US Department of Defense as

"the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."

Can't get much clearer than that.

WE, THE PEOPLE, have circulated information across this country post 9-11 without ANY assistance from the MSM. We have fought our way out of the darkness and we can do it again. WE HAVE THE POWER BECAUSE WE HAVE TRUTH.

If I denied an individual the opportunity to remove themselves from a room (garage) that was filling with carbon monoxide...if I denied them opportunity to phone for help (Fire Dept.) or vacate to safety and then THREATENED that if HELP ARRIVED they would be DENIED ENTRANCE...

MY ASS WOULD BE IN JAIL FOR ATTEMPTED MURDER! As it well should be! It's that simple. What do they mean there "MAY be a criminal investigation"??? There WILL BE a criminal investigation. WE, THE PEOPLE, will DEMAND IT!

I am spreading this story far and wide. I have friends who own travel agencies and friends who work in the airline industry. This act of domestic terrorism must be brought to justice. IMMEDIATELY.

WE ARE THE MEDIA. We have functioned as such since the "traditional" media has abdicated its responsibilities to this country. WE KNOW WHAT TO DO! Let's get busy!!!

There is NO WAY that they can SPIN this. It was a DELIBERATE act. Now, we need to arm our fellow citizens with TRUTH so that we all can safeguard ourselves against this type of criminal activity.

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. Exactly - 'criminal' doesn't have to mean 'terrorist'

Clearly, "to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives" doesn't apply here. Yes, it sounds criminal, and there should be an investigation.

[fooj]

23. I view this as CLEAR INTIMIDATION

Hell, it's more than that. Coercion is defined as the act of compelling by force of authority.

Like I said in my prior post, you or I would be in jail for attempted murder. Take that one to the bank.

Peace.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

26. Attempted murder, obstruction of an investigation, and false imprisonment.

[flyarm]

28. ok lets look at the "terrorism " aspect..what if there was a terrorist action when

those Air Traffic controllers were compromised??

yes they were compromised when they were getting sleepy from carbon monoxide poisoning.

yes they were compromised when they were disorientated.

yes the were compromised when they had difficulthy concentrating


AND YES THEY COULD HAVE ALL DIED IN THE CONTROL CENTER..AND WHO WOULD HAVE OVERSEEN THE AIRCRAFT THAT WERE STACKED UP OVER NJ AND NEW YORK??????????

and yes, if there had been a hijacking in any of the planes they were in charge of ..they probably could not have done the job that needs to be done in a terrorist attack becaiuse they were compromised in their thinking and actions!!

and people would have died..hell they were lucky they didn't fuck up and lose an aircraft anyway! because they were compromised..

would you want an air traffic controller working drunk as a skunk??

well that entire control center was even worse than being drunk! The had toxic exposure that was limiting their cognitive thinking and their motor skills.. they were a danger to everyone in the air and on the ground under those aircraft!

this was worse than just criminal..this was dangerous in so many ways!!

remember newark Airport is surrounded by Oil storage tanks..huge huge oil storage tanks...
there is giants stadium close by...in the meadowlands..

THERE ARE ALL THE NJ/NY BRIDGES AND TUNNELS

by air those places are close..

thAT air traffic control center, could have been closed and planes diverted to Philly and to LGA..and possibly Baltimore..

until new controllers were brought in..or an immediate testing of the air quality BY FIRE PERSONEL..when it was understood that there was a problem!

after all diverting happens all the time because of weather!!

fly

GEEE LET ME MAKE A DECISION..DO I WANT TO HAVE MY FLIGHT GROUNDED..OR DO I WANT TO TAKE OFF WITH TOICALLY POISONED AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS??

HMMMMM...NOT A TOUGH DECISION FOR ME..A NOW RETIRED FLIGHT CREW.

[nonny]

16. Senator Schumer's letter to the FAA

http://abclocal.go.com/images/wabc/2007/SchumerLetterFAA.pdf

Can't seem to copy any of it here.

This was a link on the original ABC page above.

[babylonsister]

19. Thanks, nonny. I don't know how to copy .pdf files, either. nt

[loudsue]

30. CRIMINAL CHARGES need to be brought against their supervisors.

The actions of those in charge are so out of line, it boggles the mind. And ALL of the supervisors who ruled on this need to be fired IMMEDIATELY. I'm way over tired of criminals with important positions in our government NOT having to pay for their misdeeds.

:kick::kick::kick:

[troubleinwinter]

33. Post #32 for you!

[Reterr]

17. k&r.eom

[nam78_two]

21. K&R.nt

[Hotler]

29. Why do the people in power hate the FAA?

It's been going on since raygun.

[troubleinwinter]

35. ... or passengers. Or flight staff.

[Cobalt-60]

49. It's difficult to cheapen aviation

they can't low ball this one the way they can the others.
Aviation in general requires a high standard.
The the 'cons despise quality wherever they see it.

[tyedyeto]

31. I'm not normally a Conspiracy person but....

who was flying into that airport that particular day????

[Pacifist Patriot]

50. *shudder*

Interesting question

[troubleinwinter]

32. For Our Viewing Pleasure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEAAAAGHH!

[troubleinwinter]

34. Still ZERO news coverage of this. Checked Google News for days. Nuthin' beyond the one local.

[fooj]

48. Attempted murder.

This is MORE than unacceptable. It is a crime.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. labor protections and labor rights

they are not a priority

Having done quite a bit of recent research into these matters... trust me, for corporations the only good thing workers can do is work their ass off, no complaints and promplty die off after they leave

[happygoluckytoyou]

37. AIR TRAFFIC? CHECK WITH REAGAN ON IT

The union busting cheap-labor GOP constantly at work, preventing workers rights.
SUE and SUE bigtime!!!

[Boondog]

38. yessir, n/t

[Hekate]

42. Oh hey, it's only people's lives at stake. Reagan sure broke the back of that union, didn't he?

:scared:

Hekate

[flyarm]

43. i do not believe they can sue..since reagan screwed them..and us ..eom

[vickitulsa]

39. Something VERY similar to this happened to a group of employees

where I worked, at the Michaels Stores, Inc.'s corporate offices in Irving, TX, in 1994.

Our offices used space in half of a warehouse-type building -- the usual cubicles-n-pods set-up, like in any other modern office in our half of the building, and a huge warehouse storage area for merchandise in the other half.

Trucks unloaded items from all over the world directly into that warehouse on a daily basis, and more trucks took them out and shipped them to Michaels Stores all across the country.

The "gassing" incident involving about 40 employees occurred because a semi-load of lacquered decorative boxes from China was stored in the warehouse half of our building, and the powerful fumes (which had NO ODOR) from that lacquer that had not fully dried and cured yet came right through the ventilation system which circulated between the warehouse half and the office half of the building.

This stuff was absolutely horrible -- and for some of us, blinding and crippling, while almost everyone exposed for over a week had headaches and problems concentrating and focusing. A few of us experienced violent nausea or otherwise got so sick we had to leave the building.

I was one of those, as was my friend two cubicles over, and one other employee -- we all happened to be women, btw, and one had a history of severe allergies. I had no such history or any special sensitivities, however, and the other lady didn't either.

Of all the employees who were bothered enough by these toxic fumes to complain about the situation, only we three stood our ground and refused to go back into the building until it was tested by OSHA or somebody!

I could tell there was something in that building because when I went outside to breathe the normal "clean" Irving air, all my symptoms went away in about 15 minutes. When I went back into the building, the symptoms came back FAST and HARD.

I went home that day and tried again the next morning. Same shit. Only now we three ladies would get SO sick SO fast after we entered the building again, we couldn't even get to our desks!

Story ends with the corporate heads covering their asses in a big way, having the air tested by "the proper authorities" (we never could find out just who that was) and declared "safe" or "within tolerable limits" or somesuch crap, and telling all employees who believed otherwise we could return to our desks and our jobs or be fired.

It was that simple -- and no one challenged them on legal grounds, probably because none of us could afford to do so.

And the corporate heads knew it.

Cost all three of us our jobs because we just could not function in that toxic air and were not willing to even try beyond what we'd already done.

One lady "captured" some of the toxic air in a jar like her doctor told her to do and took it to him to test, but I never heard how that came out. Our bosses panicked when they saw her doing that, however, and that's when the shit hit the fan.

The corporate heads also intimidated our doctors into changing their documented opinions of what caused our mysterious ailments! So our legal leg to stand on was kicked out from under us by the power of the corporate elite.

It was not a case where they forced or compelled us to stay in the building, locking us in, but they did everything but! If I hadn't been so concerned about our health that I dug in and wouldn't budge on my refusal to return to work, the other two ladies would have gone back and tried yet again, but they followed my lead -- and lost their jobs too.

To this day, everyone who worked in that building, including the mid-level execs for that department, KNOWS what happened.

My friend and I did the research, found the cause, even dug up some shipping paperwork that had WARNINGS on the merchandise from China, stating that those lacquered boxes MUST be "stored in an open-air area for up to three days to allow the lacquer to completely dry" in order to be safe!!

The lacquer came from a tree in China who's nickname is "the headache tree," because people reported that they would get headaches if they so much as walked within ten feet of one of those trees growing in the wild!

Yet this lacquer was a concentrated form of the tree's sap or bark or whatever, and it was applied to the boxes (by employees in China who probably dropped like flies but who cares -- or hears -- about THEM?) and then the boxes were shipped wet or barely tacky to their destinations.


Expect the defendants (the government, the supervisors, execs, whoever) to deny all culpability in this case of the air traffic controllers rendered sick and incapacitated by some gas or fumes in their workplace. I heartily agree that this should be a breaking news lead story due to the extreme intimidation and threats involved -- and of course the critical, life-and-death nature of the controllers' jobs!

NO WAY should this action be allowed to go without a challenge or exposure to the wider world.

I hope any workers involved in the legal battle don't suffer even worse from the behavior of the defendants and their army of lawyers than they did from the fumes that laid them low. It's incredible just how far some soulless entities will go to protect themselves and cover up their parts in such blatantly wrong and harmful acts.

It's even more disturbing that very often such dastardly wrongs go unpunished and the perpetrators of bodily harm and emotional distress remain on the payroll with unblemished records -- and even promotions and raises!

My friend from the Michaels Stores incident has never fully recovered her health and was unable to work at all for several months. The third lady was young and tried to just forget about it, moving on with no lasting damage (that I know of).

I learned never to trust employers, period. They're not in business to make life pleasant or even tolerable or safe for their employees.

And apparently money talks and corporate influence walks right over the wounded left behind in the dust ... and the fumes.

[Divine Discontent]

44. poor quality Chinese products... big surprise... not. n/t

[vickitulsa]

45. Not a surprise, true. But at least the Chinese company provided its customer,

Michaels Stores, with a warning typed in all caps IN RED LETTERS across the shipping documents, instructing the buyer to store the boxes in the open air for three days. I suspect that crap would have been toxic even if Michaels had left it out for three days and THEN put it in the warehouse.

But it was the good ol' American businesspersons who paid no heed whatsoever to the warning and put us all at risk of serious illness -- or even death, for all they KNEW. My boss in that same building was their real estate attorney, and even he reluctantly told me he couldn't back me on this one, although he thought very highly of me and valued my work. He was a young fella and a decent guy, but clearly his bosses had told him where the line was he was expected to toe.

In any event, it was the little guys, as usual, on both ends of the shipping spectrum (China and the U.S.) who ended up paying the price in damage to our health with no legal recourse available by the time the corporates were through with us.

What smoked my ass most of all was that, and the fact that the Michaels lawyers or someone in that food chain at the corporate office was able to intimidate doctors who were not ones that were on their payroll.

Helen's doctor was quite adamant and even angry at first about the degree of harm to her health she had suffered, the danger to her if she remained in that toxic environment, and the reason for the physical/medical damage done to her.

Unlike my doc, who pretty much took my word for it, hers behaved like a real physician and wrote down his opinions and a detailed summary of his examination and assessment. He drew her blood and ran a lot of tests. The results were conclusive but were somehow "lost" after the Michaels people got to him. And he changed his diagnosis -- completely re-wrote and modified it! -- to appear that all concerns about the toxic air at the office were "speculative."

Now THAT's scary to me.

The only professional person who stuck by his diagnosis and treatment of Helen's symptoms was a "wacko" chiropractor who was an instructor at the chiro college in Dallas and who also practiced homeopathy and acupuncture. HIS opinion wasn't considered to have enough weight to worry the execs at Michaels and their attorneys. They knew the revised (coverup, inaccurate) diagnosis and prognosis of the MD was all they needed.

It's not easy being green -- and very small.

[UNCLE_Rico]

47. I can speculate as to the likely mechanism by which the Drs were turned against you...

If they do business with Worker Compensation insurance carriers, particularly if that happens to be a large part of their business. The carriers, of course, don't like to pay claims, and if you were to turn up with serious problems due to your exposure(s), if could cost them a ton of bucks. The sick and sad truth of today's health care system in the USA is that the insurance companies are in the position with ALL the power, that means power over us little people, and, yes, in many ways even MORE SO the doctors who rely on them so heavily to pay the bills.

All it likely took to affect the 'needed' change to your diagnosis was the call from the WC insurance carrier to the doctors office, wherein they threatened to remove the Doc from their little list of 'approved' Workers Comp doctors, and you were hung out to dry quicker than you can say Arnold Schwarzenegger, my friend.

My dad's been dealing with this same kinda bullshit around the WC system for so many years now I'm amazed he hasn't gone Virginia Tech on his WC insurance carrier by now. Those companies are literally the SCUM of the EARTH and will do ANYTHING they think they can get away with (and the WC court system that supposed to protect your 'rights' is such a fucking sham, as well, I hate to have to add...)

Sorry about your misfortune, I do totally feel for your plight, as I've been very very close to that same kinda shit for going on 20 years now myself...

[vickitulsa]

55. You reminded me of some things I'd forgotten about the case.

First, I think you probably nailed it with your assessment and explanation.

IIRC, the doctor Helen saw for this purpose was one she was referred to by her regular doc. And he was not only one who participated in the Workers Comp system, he was a doctor who had actually represented many successful cases of workers against employers!

He had an amazing record, in fact, and a sterling reputation in the field and in the community. He was apparently considered to be a righteous sort of guy and was respected by many people involved in such cases, though I can't say now which part of the equation these "believers" in that particular doctor represented. But his evaluations had held up under scrutiny in court cases, his diagnoses had been verified by other "independent" physicians who did some cross-checking for other parties involved, including even the defendants (employers) in those cases ... and his patients had prevailed and won suitable -- but not outrageous -- awards in court.

This is why Helen and I pinned so much of our hope for relief on this doctor in the first place!

I have a little familiarity with the WC system, too, though my exposure was short-lived and many years ago -- actually in 1969, in fact. My boss on one of my early jobs as an executive secretary back then was a WC attorney who won humongous awards for his clients against companies of all sorts -- and in my view at that time, at least, in some pretty "odd" if not outright dubious cases.

That may have been the heyday or the early days of what later came to be thought of as the abuse of the WC laws. That attorney worked in Muskogee, OK, and one of his brothers was a well-known judge locally, while another brother was an attorney who handled cases much like my boss's, IIRC. This family of lawyers, last name of Garrett, was reputed to be corrupt and "for sale" to the highest bidder around town, and they certainly lived high on the hog from their "illgotten gains," according to some insiders I met.

It may have been people like them, I suspect, which eventually drew the attention and the ire of the corporate opponents in their court cases which were taking such big financial hits due to successful WC actions against them!

I know my boss was a creepy character who was more interested in chasing my 19-year-old ass around his desk and wanting me to take dictation from a position on his lap than in appreciating my first class clerical skills! :mad: :puke:

I quit working for him within a few short months due to that behavior of his and even thought about trying to file a sexual harrassment suit against him -- but figured I stood a snowball's chance in hell of winning it considering his success rate in his court cases (admittedly of another type, but still....).

(The guy had divorced his wife of three decades to marry his previous secretary, whom he had gotten pregnant! She was half his age of 62, and they had a two-year-old boy -- and a rocky marriage from what I saw of it.)

It may have been attorneys like that one who brought so much scrutiny to the WC system at that time, for all I know. Certainly the climate changed over time, as did the laws and the rulings, I believe.

As for the corporate bullying of the doctor in the Michaels case by -- whomever, it seems a likely scenario as you paint it, to me. Texas is a state where (as most of us know) the most skulduggerous machinations imagineable go on in every public and private sphere; and this doctor who specialized in cases such as Helen's could have been a target because of his successful record that benefitted "little guys."

I remember considering seeing him myself, though that became pointless once he changed sides. I had even visited his office WITH Helen a couple of times, in order to provide moral support for her and backup, background information for the doc on the details of the events that sickened so many and seriously harmed at least a few. Helen had become quite frail physically AND emotionally by the time this situation had reached that stage, and she tended to panic or just get nervous under pressure and forget to mention important factors.

The doctor seemed to listen closely to my "testimony" in his office -- offered only when he or Helen asked me to respond to questions he had about our exposure and the company's (lack of) response to our complaints and need for protection from further harm at that location.

But that all seemed to change at the same point that this physician changed his story about the cause of Helen's illness! It makes sense to me that insurance companies may well have been involved in persuading him to re-write his records and "lose" the lab test results. Even though this was a legitimate and good case -- in the eyes of some experienced people, at least -- this doctor DID get his bread buttered by the insurance companies that paid out the dollar amounts in claims won and awarded in court.

By 1994, as opposed to 1969, things had changed in the WC system as you no doubt know; and he may have been pressured to abandon us and our righteous case if he wanted to continue to do well in his many other cases. Ya think?

It just burns my butt that he yielded to pressure in OUR situation because no one deserved compensation (and needed follow-up care) much more than Helen did! Her life was ruined, along with her physical and mental health. She ended up being compelled by her circumstances as a divorcee in her mid-50's who had only herself to depend on for a livelihood, to return to work -- but without a good recommendation from her last employer, so she got a much lower position than her previous one (for the head of that department at Michaels) at a far lower pay rate.

Her only child, a grown son, and I were about the only friends she had left by the end of that story. It was heartbreaking to watch what happened to her, for it was much worse than how it worked out for me and the other employee most affected by the fumes.

So yes, I think you may have it right on the money (no pun intended) with your analysis of our case.

I just still can't figure out why that specialist physician who stood by and helped his patients WIN cases against corporate entities before and after Helen's, decided to buckle in HER case in particular ... unless it was some reason only an insider would know or understand.

I remember being quite stunned at the turn of events, as it happened, and "disappointed" hardly describes how Helen and I felt! For awhile it had seemed that every area of importance in the case produced facts that supported OUR side of it. Then suddenly the tables turned and we had NO friends and NO leg to stand on in court.

FLUSHED, is what it felt like. We were simply sacrificed, for whatever reasons of the doctor's, and that was that.

In case you can't tell, I'm STILL VERY ANGRY about what was done to Helen, and to a lesser extent, to me. Who knows what longterm health consequences we or many of the other employees who were unable or unwilling to speak out or stand by their claims may be suffering to this day? Ones which we may not be able to connect to that exposure to toxic fumes, but which may BE connected in reality.

I have had trouble with allergies or sensitivities to a wide range of other substances since then, though they haven't been severe like Helen's. Before that exposure in 1994, I'd never had ANY special sensitivities to anything I knew of except metal against my skin, which caused a minor, irritating rash, and a couple of common irritants in our environment.

Now I have to pay attention to toxic stuff in my surroundings and foods and medications and avoid some obvious danger zones or ingredients. And my lungs have never quite been the same, since I suffered for years after my exposure to the lacquer fumes from chronic bronchitis and even pneumonia. That situation was only reversed for me when my brother, a pharmacist, helped me respond to early stages of such infections with the proper medical care and treatment with drugs.

I shudder to think what ever happened to Helen, who, when I last heard from her, was struggling to keep that lesser job she got, due to her frequent absences for illness and emotional distress....

[The Lost Patriot]

65. I can vouche for this statement...

2 Years ago, I had a 16 foot long 6 X 12 inch beam fall on my back from 7 feet above me. The man that dropped it on me had tested positive for crack cocaine 2 days prior to the accident and was never discharged from his duties. The insurance company, on the other hand, said that my injuries were not traumatic and that my 2 cracked ribs and almost puntured lung was from a pre-exsiting back problem? Needless to say, I was outta work for 6 months, no way to pay my bills, and no way I could wait to go to court for the money. I was forced to settle for less than $10,000. I was a $30/hour employee when this incident occurred. I got only $10,000 for 6 months of lost wages. FUCK THE SYSTEM. None of these bitches are here for your protection. Insurance is the biggest scam ever.

[Eurobabe]

40. Because CNN like Paris Hilton more?

[Pachamama]

41. This is frightening....imagine how many people could have died if they had succumbed to CO poisoning

and planes loaded with passengers crashed or collided because of what was happening in the control tower.

The Air Traffic Controllers are already overworked and treated like crap....now this....

Scary...makes me afraid to fly...

[fooj]

46. Imagine the terror that would spread across the country

if people were afraid to go into an enclosed building? An Arena, a shopping mall, a highrise?
Fear can be crippling. These rat bastards use fear to manipulate. You're right. It's scary on so many different levels.

[H2O Man]

51. I agree.

You are exactly right -- "It's scary on so many different levels."

[flyarm]

58. i built a new home in NJ and i "had" to have carbon monoxide detectors

throughout the home and even in the garage..it is the law and mandatory..along with smoke detectors...

how after 9/11 can any air traffic control center not have Carbon Monoxide detectors..they can be bought and plugged in now..but ..with any kind of terrorism..how can any Place where people are controlling the safety of masses of people not have the newest detectors for everything..any kind of toxins, and air borne poisons..

where is this homeland security we supposedly have?????????

well we don't have homeland security..it is a front for stealing your rights...and it is a front for corporations just like everything else with these bastards....

how could any control center not be protected?? in every way?

well the same way that the air space over disneyland is closed( i agree with that by the way) but while the air space over Disney is protected..no air space over any of our nuke plants is protected..no other amusement park has their air space closed...or over any major dam in this country and many many more vital places to all our safety and existance...


believe me, as a now retired flight crew..i assumed ..the control towers would have been one of the first places secured and monitored for any toxins.and guarded in every way...wow was i stunned when i saw this...stunned and damn angry...

homeland security my ass!

remember this ..flights get diverted all the time for weather..yes it screws up alot of schedules..yes it screws up where the aircraft are scattered..but they do it all the time for weather..for goodness sake..

that control center should nave and must have been shut down..

personally i would rather my flight delayed or canceled..than to go up or be up in a tube in the air with air traffic controllers not at their "A" game!

what if there had been an emergency in any of the aircraft that were stacked up waiting to land..or say ..an aborted landing by any of those aircraft???????..there are so many things that could have happened with tragic results because the controllers were compromised.


fly

[liberal N proud]

52. Did it involve Paris Hilton or Anna Nichole's remains?

It must involve a celebrity or be able to instill fear into the public, otherwise it is useless to the propaganda machine we once knew as the media.

[Old Vet]

53. Iam afraid its really gotten that bad.

If most of us were in paris Hilton's shoes, We would be in jail,And wouldn't be able to pass go.

[deutsey]

54. If only they also gave Clinton a blow job

Boy, then THAT would be newsworthy.

:sarcasm:

[IronLionZion]

56. did you read your own link?

they said the fumes came from a generator. and it was in NY

[flyarm]

59. Staten Island..is considered NY...but is very close to Newark.. eom

[troubleinwinter]

61. The earliest news video has the reporter saying "Newark"

Yes, it was NY, but hardly much difference, the controllers were incapacitated and forced to stay!

[IronLionZion]

67. Isn't it long island? I think I saw Nassau county mentioned.

[flyarm]

70. us attorney in Nassau county...

Long Island /staten island..the story is being blacked out and the controllers were running the Newark flights...i don't have time now to go back and listen..will later...i believe i heard Staten Island..somewhere...but that is not the story!

fly

[troubleinwinter]

60. Yeah, a generator

It happens all the time, often generators. Here are a few stories from the last week.


Fifteen workers from a food company were hospitalized after they suffered carbon monoxide poisoning http://www.cctv.com/english/20070509/103304.shtml

... carbon monoxide poisoning was the suspected cause of death of a 53-year-old woman http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070509/NEWS0103/705090397/1077/COL02

... carbon monoxide death of a resort guest in Key West.
http://www.miamiherald.com/884/story/97059.html

Three people in a New Brunswick high-rise were taken to a hospital late last night to be checked out for possible carbon monoxide poisoning
http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/2007/05/three_people_evaluated_for_car.html

Pittsburgh couple die of accidental carbon monoxide poisoning
http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2007/04/26/ap-state-pa/d8oo9o3g9.txt

A few years ago, my cousin went to a hunting cabin with five friends. Five woke up dead from carbon monoxide poisoning. My cousin was the only one to live. A GENERATOR.

The disoriented traffic controllers were kept in the control room "guiding" jetliners full of passengers and crew, flying over densely populated areas.

[thunder35]

57. they don't care

[flyarm]

62. I JUST SENT THIS TO A NJ CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR STATE SENATE..

they are out speaking everynight..to people in the state..

if you have people running in your state for office..please send them this story..

this hits into the heart of ..
1. national security!!!
2. our media's failure to we the people

please send this article with the video's and the Senator Shumer letter

you can copy and paste this to a letter to candidate you know are running for office..

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

THIS NEEDS EXPOSING..THIS IS DANGEROUS IN MORE WAYS THAT I CAN TELL YOU HERE..

PLEASE BE SURE TO WATCH THE VIDEO'S..

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5271014

Air controllers call for criminal investigation

Eyewitness News Exclusive
Eyewitness News

(New York - WABC, May 3, 2007) - The air traffic controllers who were exposed to that carbon monoxide now want a criminal investigation into why they weren't allowed to leave their control center, even though they were dizzy and disoriented -- and trying to direct hundreds of planes.

Eyewitness News reporter NJ Burkett broke the story Wednesday, and has new developments.
If there is a criminal investigation, and there may be, the FAA is promising to cooperate. Now, Senator Chuck Schumer is demanding answers. The question is, why were the controllers forced to continue directing planes while suffering the effects of carbon monoxide poisoning.

Air traffic controllers brought their allegations directly to the Nassau County district attorney this morning, urging prosecutors to open a criminal investigation.

"It just seemed harder and harder to stay awake," said controller Ray Maldonado.

Controllers told us they were so sickened they could barely function, but were forced to remain on their positions for up to four hours directing large commercial jets from the FAA's air traffic control center known as TRACON.

"It slowly started to feel worse and worse," air traffic controller John Conklin said.

"I remember just being extremely fatigued ... very sleepy. It took a lot to stay awake," Maldonado said.

Eyewitness news reported last night that a test of the facility's backup generator sent exhaust fumes into the building's ventilation system, slowly filling the room with potentially-deadly carbon monoxide. Soon, at least half-a-dozen controllers were physically ill.

But the FAA:


Refused to let the controllers leave

Refused to call the fire department to take air readings


snip:

"They would have to acknowledge that number one they made a mistake pumping the fumes into the control room. And number two, they didn't have enough staffing to cover ... There would be delays, the airlines would complain. It wouldn't make them look good," Iacopelli said.

Yet that is exactly what the FAA did ten years ago, taking no chances when dust from renovations at TRACON sickened dozens of controllers. There was a partial evacuation then, caused a series of delays and cancelled flights.

(Copyright 2007 WABC-TV)


THE VIDEO'S ON UTUBE..THEY CAN BE SEEN HERE:

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mrredacted



Senator Schumer's letter to the FAA http://abclocal.go.com/images/wabc/2007/SchumerLetterFA...

NO NATIONAL MEDIA HAS COVERED THIS STORY...WHY?????????











fly

[AuntPatsy]

63. Is there any real investigation yet?

[flyarm]

64. hell if i know..heck no media has touched the story but NY local abc affiliate..

i have sent this to every media outlet , as have others..

I have called my senators and congress people in both states i live in..i can get no answers!

but i will not stop..people's lives are at risk ...and we are all vunerable when this can happen!

FAA = Marion Blakely

understand this..in Nov 2001 American Airlines had an A300 crash in Rockaway NY..this woman was on our NY news for three days saying ..the pilots must have known they were going to crash, as they dumped their fuel

American Airlines A300's had no capability of dumping fuel..

and then Pataki parroted the same garbage! on National TV..

this is another good job brownie appointee..a lady who has no aviation background...

could we not find one retired Aviation engineer from say >>NASA??

or pilots have to retire at age 60 ..could we not find one Airline captain or Crew Chief, or someone ..any one with an damn aviation background to run the FAA and the NTSB?????????????????????


How about Flight instructors from major Airlines????


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Blakey

Marion Blakey
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Marion Blakey
Marion Blakey
Born 1948
Gadsden, Alabama
Occupation United States Government Administrator
Spouse Married
Children one daughter

Marion Clifton Blakey (born March 26, 1948) is the 15th Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration. She is the second woman to hold the position.

Contents

1 Background
2 Non-governmental service
3 Prior US government service
4 NTSB Chairman
5 FAA Administrator
6 References
7 External links



Background
Blakey was born in Gadsden, Alabama, and received her bachelor's degree with honors in international studies from Mary Washington College (1970) of the University of Virginia. She also attended Johns Hopkins University, School of Advanced International Studies (1973) for graduate work in Middle East Affairs,<1> and the University of Florence in Florence, Italy (1969).

She is married to William Ryan Dooley, and has one daughter, born in 1987.<2>


Non-governmental service
From 1993 to 2001, Blakey was the principal of Blakey & Associates, now Blakey & Agnew, a Washington, D.C. public affairs consulting firm with a particular focus on transportation issues and traffic safety.<1>


Prior US government service
Blakey has held four previous Presidential appointments, two of which required Senate confirmation. From 1992 to 1993, Blakey served as Administrator of the Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). As the nation's leading highway safety official, she was charged with reducing deaths, injuries, and economic losses resulting from motor vehicle crashes. Prior to her service at NHTSA, she held key positions at the United States Department of Commerce, the United States Department of Education, the National Endowment for the Humanities, the White House, and the United States Department of Transportation.<1>


( how does this qualify her for Administrator of FAA or NTSB???????)




NTSB Chairman

NTSB Chairman Marion Blakey (third from right) during the investigation of the tail fin and rudder from American Airlines flight 587.
During her tenure as NTSB Chairman, Blakey managed a number of accident investigations including the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 in November 2001. Blakey worked to improve the Board's accident reporting process and increased industry and regulatory responsiveness to NTSB safety recommendations. Additionally, Blakey strengthened the Board's advocacy and outreach programs to promote safer travel throughout all modes of transportation. She also furthered development of the NTSB Academy as a national and international resource to enhance aviation safety and accident investigations.<1>


****(this is the accident Blakely said the pilots must have known they were going to crash because they dumped the fuel...this American Airlines aircraft had no capability to dump fuel..remember seeing on your tv's planes flying around to burn off fuel..those are usually A300's ..Airbus..)


FAA Administrator
Blakey was sworn in September 13, 2002 as the 15th Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration. As Administrator, she is responsible for regulating and advancing the safety of the nation's airways as well as operating the world's largest air traffic control system.<1>



feeling safe yet??????????

fly

[AuntPatsy]

83. It is people like you that really dont get the credit you deserve

for helping to keep others safe, and the people that usualy get credit haven't done half of what people like you do by working so hard against incredible odds in getting such a message out, kudos to you and another kick for your post and for the safety of anyone that flys our so called friendly skies.

[flyarm]

66. smoke and fumes in Dulles air traffic control tower now..was closed now reopened..

just announced on CNN..yet still no reporting on this story!!

No answer to what caused the smoke and fumes yet..

no link..it was just discussed on CNN..

fly

[fooj]

68. Interesting development.

[troubleinwinter]

72. Here's something on that

CHANTILLY, Va. - Fumes from a work site forced air traffic controllers to evacuate their tower at Dulles International Airport and shift to a backup facility Wednesday.
The fumes were reported about 10 a.m., and firefighters ordered the tower cleared, airport spokesman Robert Yingling said. The tower was ventilated and the workers were allowed to return about two hours later, he said.

The Federal Aviation Administration said a contractor was doing welding in a terminal area next to the tower and didn't request permission to weld there.

There's a "possibility that fumes from nearby welding went up an elevator shaft into the tower," FAA spokesman Les Dorr said. Four people in the tower were taken to a hospital for treatment.

The incident had a minimal impact on flights, authorities said.

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=1136461

[ChairmanAgnostic]

69. ah, taking their cue from Reagan, yet again. Piss on all air traffic controllers.

It was prescient for the ten talking heads to misquote Ronnie.

[troubleinwinter]

71. New WABC story: "reckless endangerment", "malicious intent"

WABC has a new story, but still ZERO from any news outlet other than the local station.



"The controllers say it's a case of reckless endangerment, that the FAA took enormous risks knowingly and deliberately. On Tuesday, prosecutors took the first step in what could become a criminal investigation.

Air traffic controllers met with prosecutors face-to-face today -- nearly two weeks after several were overcome by carbon monoxide fumes at the FAA's air traffic control facility, TRACON.
........

Yet as Eyewitness News first reported last week, they were forced to continue directing planes for up to four hours after TRACON managers refused to call 911 and threatened to bar fire responders from entering the facility if anyone else called.

"I think that there was malicious intent in that. They want to make you sit there and suffer," said air traffic controller Joe O'Brien.

.......

"They made them sit there and work the traffic, and it's only to the dedication and professionalism of the people I work with that calamity was avoided," O'Brien said.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5285340

[flyarm]

74. thanks TIW for the update!!!!!!!!! and still the media is silent!! all but 1 ..eom

[troubleinwinter]

76. Check out the apparent attitude by FAA:

In a short statement released to Eyewitness News Tuesday evening, an agency spokesman seemed to suggest that the only likely changes would involve maintenance procedures on TRACON's backup diesel generator.

"FAA continues to investigate the circumstances surrounding the incident that occurred at the New York Terminal Radar Approach Control facility in Westbury on April 25. A preliminary examination of the equipment and procedures has been completed. At the end of the investigation, if it is warranted, recommendations will be made on how maintenance checks on facility diesel engine generators can be improved," said FAA spokesman Jim Peters.

Nothing about a plan/policy to evacuate air traffic controllers being overcome by gas or fumes. Nothing about procedures/policy for diverting aircraft. Nothing about back-up controllers. Just "if warranted... recommendations on maintenance checks". WTF??!! If that's all the FAA cares about the safety of people, I'd be looking for another job if I were crew or a controller.

[leftofthedial]

73. were any of the ATCs skinny young blonde women?

[flyarm]

75. nahhhhhhhhhhh....and they didn't sing like on american idol either!! eom

[flyarm]

77. look at this ..this Control center has a scarey History!!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE5D8163FF93AA1575BC0A963958260
look at this..this place has a history!! ( oh and it is on Long Island)

August 29, 1995

L.I. Bomb Threat Closes La Guardia, J.F.K. and Newark

By ROBERT D. MCFADDEN

Published: August 29, 1995
A bomb threat that forced the evacuation of a critical air traffic control center on Long Island shut down the New York metropolitan area's three major airports for more than an hour yesterday, delaying hundreds of arrivals and departures and affecting hundreds of other plane movements in a ripple effect across the nation.

[troubleinwinter]

79. At least in '95 they evacuated rather than force poisoned, disoriented controllers to guide planes.

[flyarm]

80. no kidding!! MAYBE THERE WAS REAL SECURITY THEN?? EOM

[flyarm]

78. i JUST GOT AN EMAIL BACK FROM DEM CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR NJ STATE SENATE

I SENT HIM THIS STORY , HE HAD NOT HEARD OF IT..AND SAID HE IS LOOKING INTO IT NOW!!

i am happy he is looking into it!!

fly

[lonestarnot]

82. Woot! Some good news! Hope he makes hay!

[lonestarnot]

81. Yeah why the fuck doesn't it MSM bushitler prostitutes!?

[troubleinwinter]

84. STILL no media reports, but on an airline industry site:

http://www.charterx.com/resources/article.aspx?id=2746