Can someone here explain a rationale against late term abortion

[cally]

In light of Skinner's request for an anti-choice forum then I wonder what many here believe. Is anyone brave enough to tell me why they support the Supreme Court Decision?

[BuyingThyme]

1. What do you mean by "late term"?

[cally]

2. What the Supreme Ct banned

But I know that late term abortions happen rarely and only when the women's health is endangered. Somehow the white men on the court forgot that.

[BuyingThyme]

3. I thought they banned a second trimester procedure.

Is the second trimester a late term?

[Bjornsdotter]

4. They didn't forget

...they just don't give a shit. Rat bastards :grr:

cheers

[softwarevotingtrail]

5. there is no exception for health of the mother

I think that women should have control over their bodies, even if the idea of a late-term abortion is personally repugnant. Control over personal property is The American Way. If you don't own your own body, what DO you own?

The fact that no exception is made for the health of the mother in this latest ruling shows that the court is populated by radicals.

[Bjornsdotter]

9. It's nothing less

...than forced-pregnancy and in many cases a death sentence for the mother.

Pro-lifers my ass, fucking hypocrites.

Cheers

[wicket]

6. Yup

You nailed it.

[Warpy]

13. Those 5 second string Popes forgot the existence of the woman

completely. You can't really find her anywhere in their decision.

They concentrated on the fetus. The health of the body in which it resides was of absolutely no concern to them. It's only a woman, you know.

THIS is why the separation between church and state is so important, religiously driven and inappropriate rulings.

[Madspirit]

7. If

If DU really ends up with an anti-woman forum I will pull my meager monthly support. It is meager but it's all I have. I may actually quit. Some of us are discussing what to do, if that happens.

Anti-Woman People...Abortion:

It's all about control. I read all the anti-abortion stuff from the MOSTLY men posters yesterday and in the past few weeks. I've decided there are three kinds of MEN who do this.

The one who called me a "man hating idiot"...those are the control freaks, who actually don't give a shit about babies. They just want to have control.

There are the ones who actually think "abortion" and see rows and rows of tiny adorable, pink and powdered dead babies. It's actually not woman hating, per se, on their part. It's something else but still, they are definitely putting the woman last.

...and there are the religionists.

I think most of the anti-abortion rights men on DU are the first kind. They cannot stand to have uppity women wrest any kind of control from their nasty little grip.

...and there are a few of the second kind...the ones who think it's a baby and that the baby is more important than the woman. Mostly though, I've seen the first kind. You can tell because they are abusive verbally...I really was called a man-hating idiot. They rarely mention the baby and they say idiotic things like:

"That Devil Woman Man-Hating Amazonian Lezbo Lee is trying to undermine Democracy." They can't stand to lose any of their power. They don't get it. My uterus is NOT a Democracy. It's under my rule....soley.

Lee

[DURHAM D]

11. I will go out the door with you. eom

[FARAFIELD]

8. They didnt ban late term

Then banned the DNX procedure itself past first trimester (except for the LIFE==== not health===== of the mother). I find the procedure nauseating, but I grew up with five older sisters and a strong mother. And women should have a right to choose, and even if something should be banned (as the DNX was) there should always be an exception for LIFE AND HEALTH, i know a lot of the wingers say that "drs just use "health of the mother" as an excuse". Anti choice people like to pretend that everyone that has an abortion is just using it as birth control and thats the biggest myth. 98% of people are pro-choice and I define that as being able to have one for rape, incest and life/health of the mother. Adding anytime during the first trimester for whatever reason and still over 50% of the people would be pro-choice. Anti choice people i feel dont want it under any circumstance because asking them if they are for it even for rape, forces them to be "pro-choice".

[HockeyMom]

10. D&X is banned after 21 weeks

That is 2nd trimester. Again, they used misleading terms. People tend to think of "late" term as 3rd trimester. These anti choice people keep talking about 8 month fetuses ready to be born. How many 21 weeks fetuses are ready to be born?

Another fallacy they try to make is that this will end their so called "late" term abortions. It doesn't. It just bans the SAFEST procedure for the woman. Other procedures performed during "late" term abortions are NOT banned, albeit, ones which will put women's LIVES in danger.

The bottom line in all this is the fetus must be already DEAD when it comes out of the woman. It cannot be considered being "born".

It actually was amusing when one Freeper tried to explain all this. They immediately shot him down. In their bliss they actually thought this was going to "save babies". Actually, what is probably doing to happen, is more WOMEN are going to die along WITH their "babies".

[Madspirit]

14. Exactly!

They simply made it more dangerous for the woman.
Lee

[Manifestor_of_Light]

12. Then are the men who try to force their wives/girlfriends to HAVE an abortion.

I was married to one of those bastards and he divorced me because I committed the ultimate sin: I had a beautiful, healthy, happy, bright child!!! Quel horreur!

So he initiated the Divorce From Hell and sued me for child support (which I as the mother had to pay until the child was graduated from high school at age 18) and in the process, my parents' college trust fund for the child was destroyed and diverted into legal fees fighting HIM.

He was warned by my parents' attorney (yes he brought them into the divorce proceedings) that he would jeopardize his child's college education, but he did it anyway, because revenge was MORE important to him.

Some men don't want any kids because it "costs money" and that's all they care about.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

15. The baby is cuter

:shrug:

That's not sarcasm it's the only reason I can think of that anyone wants to ban an abortion at a specific stage

[uppityperson]

16. fetus, otherwise this sounds like 1 of the reasons

[Igel]

17. I can explain the rationale; and how it's billed.

Do the last first. It's billed as drawing a "bright line" between infanticide and abortion. Most moderate, and a few fairly extreme, conservatives view this is not having an impact on R v W.

If you can't kill an infant 2 seconds after it's born, you can't kill it minutes from birth, is the reasoning. You're perfectly ok killing the fetus when it's entirely in the uterus; that's fine, per SCOTUS. But by allowing it to partially exit the birth canal, you're killing a kid that's "partially born". When abortion is at issue, a kid partway out of the birth canal is to be considered born; when abortion is not at issue, the law still applies as it did before. This isn't how the law is written, but that's what the consequence of the law is.

One doesn't need to even state one's position to explain the rationale.

[Solo_in_MD]

18. Trying to be fair, the seminal source for the law was not SCOTUS

They allowed a law to stand that banned a particular procedure after a certain time. They said it did not violate Federal law. The law originated in state legislature(s).

The rage against SCOTUS is IMO, ill aimed. Abortion needs to be settled on a Federal level with clear rules and financing. However few national politicians are willing to do this, even the so called progressive ones.