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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:10 PM Original message |
From Davis Guggenheim (An Inconvenient Truth) a new documentary on The American Educational System |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Damn, thanks for making me cry.... |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. ditto. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. This is such a deep deep problem and the stuff they are trying |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Agreed... |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. RW talking points. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. The difference between the right wing and while I would like to see is where the money goes... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
18. oh, baloney. hasn't worked so far, not going to work, except for the rich & the financiers. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. Yes, because current solutions are working GREAT... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
117. they're working as well or better, per the largest study on the subject, |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
208. this "solutions" crap has got to stop |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Oh, there are changes, all right. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. The current mass system isn't working.. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. So are you planning on eliminating poverty? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Did anyone say vouchers or a magic bullet? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. They have the power now |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. No they don't. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. No not always |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yes, because the rich can buy their way out or leave.. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. The charter school system gives them that choice now |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Isn't it interesting that white liberals are always against plans that might involve "urban" kids.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
118. isn't it interesting that arne's work decreased the percent of black teachers in chicago 10%, |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
196. Vouchers, charter schools, and any other so-called solution that siphons $$$ from public schools |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:44 AM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Once upon a time, teachers were supported and we didn't face the type of competition we face today |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #197 |
201. Bull hockey. What you are saying decimates public school coffers and leaves the poor w nothing. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
32. The "current system" isn't to blame, and the proposed "fixes" won't fix |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. TIF financing has helped to starve my district |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. KC was dying because people were leaving.. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. Starving the public schools does not help save an urban core |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Neither does no business... |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Sorry... |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. . |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Ah Peggy |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
209. Check your PM. -nt |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
9. WooHoo, the charter school movement has its own propaganda movie, |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. My value is with the child and with that family... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Come on over to Kansas City |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:26 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I actually live in KC |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Why does your profile say Manhattan? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. In Grad school at K-state.. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Get back in touch with me in the fall. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Be back in town in August... |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. +1000 nt |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. How ironic that Bill Gates is in this movie. Promoting |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-31-10 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
13. Stopped watching as soon as Michelle Rhee came on the screen |
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Admiral Loinpresser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
162. Bob Somerby has been asking hard questions |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:22 AM Response to Reply #162 |
186. the story of michelle's "miracle" made me laugh. every hollywood miracle story ever. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #162 |
193. My students have sat in the U-pattern since Michelle was in grade school |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
19. Here ya go |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. ahhhh.... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
65. And if the parents refuse to cooperate? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Empowerment of teachers to get people who don't want to learn out |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #70 |
107. On that point we can agree |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
205. That looked awfully familiar. No blood, though. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:28 AM Response to Original message |
24. Sounds like another weapon for the privatizers and union-busters for me. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. That was my impression, too. n/t |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Actual educators sometimes have other priorities.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. If they have other priorities. . . . . |
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LeFleur1 (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Like Everything Else in America |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. There are plenty of good teachers.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I'm sorry, but you make NO SENSE whatsoever |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Who said charter schools.. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. It's becoming rather typical here, sadly. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Creating a boogie man adds little to the debate... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Then why are you creating a boogie man? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. What boogie man did I create? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. You argued no point and I called you no names. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Job stability and income... |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Oh lookie here.... it's the bad teacher boogie man |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Well we knew *that* was coming. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Yep, you can bank on it. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Who said that? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Who said punish "all"... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Bad teachers usually self-select out of the system. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Vouchers for the rich do that... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. So what if it's hard? It's still possible. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. If it is fed money, it will overlay the current system... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. So where did the part go about poor kids getting the same opportunities as rich kids? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. As I said, I will never stand by vouchers for the rich or connected.. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I'm talking about vouchers for impoverished children. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. . |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. AGAIN, It also isn't again what I would suggest. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Well, your "plan" is never going to occur. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. If you read what I have posted... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I read what you posted. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. The Dutch system is important because it gets resources into the hands of the poor |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. The Dutch system was built on an entirely different foundation |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #111 |
122. No system does... |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. OMFG -- The horror! The horror! |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Such a dramatic post.. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Are you going to fix poverty and unemployment, too? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I am suggesting a plan that provides hope.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. "Hope," maybe, but not much more |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Your "solution" ----- and some questions |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. It would be a fed system in which the money follows the child.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. "It would not effect(sic) current funding sources." |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I understand they are.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. "Funding" is fungible. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Allow the government to keep track of it |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Excuse me? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Sorry.. you are right.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. It would be a monstrous boondoggle |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. I just used the word boondoggle on another thread! |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Marx |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:24 PM Response to Reply #105 |
129. What question have I failed to give my thoughts on? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #96 |
119. $144 B = 1/4 the current cost of social security. into the maws of private capital. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. Who said private coperations. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #119 |
126. Social Security of course is at least partly/mostly funded by the |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #126 |
128. Government intakes money.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. The source of the money DOES matter. it has to have a source. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:40 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. I am telling you the reality of government intakes.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #134 |
141. It doesn't HAVE to go into a separate fund. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:21 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. A funding source that might actually pass or what I would do if I could design it? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. This is what I would do concerning the taxes... |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. BINGO AGAIN! Eliminate corporate taxes! |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. Typos aside... I am multitasking... that would still place taxes on the rich |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
50. NO Starry! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I've said too much! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
138. I'm sure that's possible. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. . |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
81. America needs an eye-opening expose on education. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
82. This is done by pro-charter folks. Portrays unions in a bad light. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
83. More details about its pro-charter origins....do some searches as well. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
84. This is sad to see this posted as a civil rights thing. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Oh they always do that. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Aren't you all in a hissy, because I don't agree with you... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. That does it for me. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Whatever "Brent" |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Neither is declaring victory winning... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Oh I'm sorry, did you manage to support any of your original points? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Nor did you disprove.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. That's because you're the one making the proposal. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. Well, I started this by talking about a movie.. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. More simple. Here's Starry's plan: |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. The world is the world... it can never be the one you want.. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. "What I want has never been tried"--BrentWil |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. No test it... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. It doesn't work Brent. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Then the money goes to the local district |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. So who is this radical change supposed to benefit? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Let it go to non-public hands.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #139 |
145. "Let it go to non-public hands" BINGO! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #145 |
147. . |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. You are most welcome, Starry |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. Is someone doing that? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. Well, it is good for you I am no "Ideologue" |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Your plan doesn't do any of the things you say it does. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. None of the above.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. So what you want is more private schools that are publicly funded? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. I don't think I am... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. Charter schools are not controlled by "local School Boards" |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:15 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. I understand the system.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #160 |
184. "If you offer big enough vouchers" |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. And I have posted multiple studies, btw |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:11 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. That you are dead wrong on all points. Yes, that is what I see on google. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. Mysterious Google Scholar? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. I read those, thank you |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. As I said before...o |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Yes, the results of research are clear. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #168 |
171. It wasn't an assertion |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #159 |
169. www.scholar.google.com |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #169 |
172. That provides a search for them. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:13 AM Response to Reply #169 |
174. I know, I'm funnin' him. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:39 AM Response to Reply #174 |
178. Here are some cites.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. It's not a "simply" system. It's a very complex one |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Red cat, white cat, I just care it catches mice. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #121 |
130. The IRS doesn't have the infrastructure because too many of the poor |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. However, you wish to say it, the system still gives an power to underprivileged children |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:40 PM Response to Reply #106 |
161. Your cites |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #161 |
165. There are plenty of papers out there.. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #165 |
180. More: |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #180 |
190. Study on Charter schools.. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:09 AM Response to Reply #165 |
182. More: |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #182 |
191. ONe of the studies that found student did no better.. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:23 AM Response to Reply #165 |
183. More: |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 07:48 AM Response to Reply #183 |
192. You are giving me a newspaper article? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #192 |
198. You haven't provided *anything* |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Actually I have.. here is some more... I bet it isn't "anything" again |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #106 |
179. Looks like that is indeed outdated data. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. It is a civil rights "thing" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. It is an "education" thing. They have pushed this new segregation stuff... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Deleted message |
Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Actually, no, it's usually white conservatives who do that |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Delete |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. I see. So now you're calling all white folks racists? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
120. sure, that's why it's resulted in a declining percentage of black teachers & increased segregation |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. That isn't backed up by evidence from black students.. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #124 |
136. Since we're just posting links now, here's another one that addresses yours. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. Posting studies on policies I do not advocate does not prove your point.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #140 |
148. It's not our job to post studies "proving" policies YOU advocate |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 11:50 PM Response to Reply #124 |
164. Available for $24.95 |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #164 |
170. And I would give it to you, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 02:19 AM Response to Reply #124 |
185. That's a theoretical paper. Here's the research on actual *practice* |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 05:50 AM Response to Reply #185 |
187. thanks HB |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-01-10 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
87. It also pushes mayoral control of schools....that takes away local control |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
173. Stewart Nusbaumer's review at HuffPo is a vicious slam on teachers |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #173 |
175. Read the comments after the review at IMDB |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:18 AM Response to Reply #173 |
176. Have at him.. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #176 |
181. Nusbaum takes the attitude |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 07:42 AM Response to Reply #181 |
189. Really?t |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:01 AM Response to Reply #189 |
194. And I want poverty erased. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #194 |
195. What is unreasonable about the government creating a mechanism |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #181 |
199. Go Tansy! I did go to Andover and... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #173 |
177. Heritage wrote a glowing review too. |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
188. the stats are skewed between countries |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #188 |
204. Self-Edit... |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
202. Very easy to see who is on the Broad payroll here. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
203. i wonder if davis is any relation to *the* guggenheims? not that common of a name. i think. |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. I can't find a connection... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-02-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
207. thanks |
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