Anyone have any good BP-oil spill conspiracy theories?

[subsuelo]

(No not the wingnut North Korea crap.)

Anyone hearing any good theories yet?

Some questions to throw out there and try and make sense of:

• Why were some of BP's managers ordered on board the deepwater horizon on the same day of the blast?


• Does everyone know that BP CEO Tony Hayward is a member of the Bilderberg Group?


• Why did they continue pushing the drilling operation, knowing that pieces of equipment were broken and falling apart?


• Now it seems that BP will purposefully let the gushing oil continue as they build a legal strategy that stands a chance of winning. Was killing the Gulf the plan all along... and for what reason?

Wondering what others, who aren't afraid to ask difficult questions, might have heard...

What is the bigger picture here?

[Ken Burch]

1. Were any of them on the Grassy Knoll with a barrel of light sweet crude?

:sarcasm:

[PurgedVoter]

9. Just a few interesting questions.

Seems like an amazingly productive well that they were trying to cap in the first place. Seems to me like a lot of oil, that the want to cap, don't want to cap, plan to drill relief wells for etc..

As far as a good conspiracy theory goes, Haliburton does all sorts of big construction energy, war, speculation stuff. Electrocuting and poisoning soldiers is really just a hobby for them. I think issues in the Gulf of Mexico are a win for them in any case. If oil goes up, they win. If other companies are embarrassed, they win. If emergencies occur, they win. If US oil is harder to obtain, they win.

[Ken Burch]

23. Well, having finished being snarky, I'll agree that there are legitimate questions

Also, it seemed AWFULLY suspicious that the msm and the 'pugs came in with the "Obama's Katrina" meme almost instantly after this happened. It could have been that they were planning to hoard the oil in order to set up another round price-gouging, and felt that, even if something went wrong, they could all use what went wrong to spin against the Big O.

[glinda]

2. Blackmail. To use it as a threat.

[Cleita]

3. Stupidity and greed really have nothing to do with

conspiracy theories. To form a conspiracy you at least have to have some intelligence and a Plan "B".

[subsuelo]

4. I don't think stupidity had much to do with it

BP's leadership team may be greedy, uncaring and generally scum of humanity - but not stupid. I think they weighed all the political calculations before deciding to proceed despite the risks to the environment.

The question for me is - what *are* all the political calculations, and is there a bigger story here that nobody has quite figured out yet?

[Cleita]

20. If they weren't stupid, their political calculations would have led

to the fact that it would be stupid to be caught with their pants down if there was an environmental disaster. Corporate right wing types ascribe to whatever ideology they are programmed with because it's easier to do that than questioning what they have been told. That would require research and critical thinking. In this case, the ideology is that business and doing business trumps everything else including decency. Everything and everyone has a price and can be bought. I worked in many executive offices of large corporations in my life time and this is the corporate religion. I also found many of my superiors, executive types, to be not very bright. They were cunning and political. They knew just whose ass to kiss to get ahead but they weren't very bright.

[subsuelo]

25. You think something's going to happen to them?

BP's leadership team is under no threat of prison time. At worst BP will fold and they'll just retire with their billions in recent earnings. I haven't seen any indication that serious consequences will be dealt - have you? The worst thing is they'll keep getting criticized and people will be angry with them.

(not trying to be argumentative, I definitely hear your point)

[Cleita]

26. Well, retiring without any repercussions is probably right.

But getting them out of the picture would be a plus for me. I don't care where they go with their ill-gotten gains. May I suggest oil billionaire paradise, Dubai. I want them out of my country.

[Sebastian Doyle]

5. I seem to recall some talk a few years ago

That the Bilderbergers planned to create a global crisis some time around the middle of 2010 which would be so economically devastating, it would force the creation of the long rumored "North American Union" or possibly even the "One World Global Fascist State Under Command of the Antichrist" itself.

Now I dismissed it as fiction at the time, of course. But here we are, close to the middle of 2010, and look what the fuck is happening.

Anybody look at "Rapture Ready" lately?

[subsuelo]

7. I've understood the "North American union" scare to be a right-wing conspiracy

The way I see it, a North American union would likely be a *good* thing for the rest of us, which is why there has been an effort to disparage the idea of having such a union. So let's say this event leads to talk of a union like that being created ... Then, the Right can come back and scream: "See, we have Socialism!" and Fox News can bullhorn: "we're really truly becoming Just Like Communist China" - which drives the wingnuts into a frenzy and sparks civil unrest? (just thinking out loud on things here)

[Sebastian Doyle]

19. It would be a "good thing" if we got Canadian health care out of the deal

and sugar in our Coke like Mexico. Unfortunately, seeing that globalism NEVER is done for the benefit of the working class, just the opposite would happen. The Canadians would get corporate health insurance, the Mexicans would get corn poison in their Coke, and we would get more of the same bullshit that has been systematically destroying this country for the last 30 years.

North American Union? No thanks.

[subsuelo]

21. Ah I see what you mean about that

Perhaps I've understood this thing wrong then..

[lunatica]

6. If by conspiracy you mean some sort of secret collusion

Dich Cheney and his secret undisclosed meeting with energy giants in order to get their input on the Bush Administration's Energy Policy comes to mind. But maybe that's too conspiratorial and someone will surely think I'm into illuminati crap or some other kind of woo-woo.

[Cleita]

8. There is talk in the woo hoo community that the

illuminati are in fact behind this.

:shrug: Right now, until we get some real facts and information as to what is going on, my mind is open to any possibilities.

[subsuelo]

11. No I don't think that's weird woo-woo at all

I think Cheney's secret meetings should be looked at. Maybe they forced some agenda that future administrations would be tied and bound to? Even at the height of media attention on those meetings (which never amounted to much really) - nobody could ever - and to this day if I'm not mistaken - find out exactly what went on in Cheney's meetings.

I think you point the finger in the right direction. It should be looked at anyway.

(Now, if we had a media that would get on it, rather than going along with the dog and pony show.... )

[Johonny]

10. This is all to protect the secrets of underwater UFOs in the area

isn't it obvious. BP is an alien front.

what too conspiratory?

[subsuelo]

13. David Icke, is that you?

[Swamp Rat]

16. Have you been watching the so-called "History Channel" lately?

:D

[janx]

12. YES!

This is all about the Obama administration's attempt at keeping the corporations in control!

:rofl:

[Bonobo]

14. Here's my 'conspiracy' theory.

That the term 'conspiracy' has been especially pushed by those for whom it is convenient to make the great mass of people believe that something nefarious did NOT occur.

To put it more simply, when a large criminal act has been executed, all the perpetrators have to do is throw the phrase 'conspiracy theory' around and they will achieve a sufficient muddying of the waters that will afford them deniability.

[Swamp Rat]

17. Very good point

:thumbsup:

[Sebastian Doyle]

22. Sure worked well with 9-11-01, didn't it.

Not going to sidetrack the thread here with that discussion, but it's odd how often the word "conspiracy" is thrown around there, when even the "official story", by definition, involves a conspiracy of at least 19 individuals, plus whomever recruited/trained/commanded them.

[Kalun D]

15. Not Really

""Why were some of BP's managers ordered on board the deepwater horizon on the same day of the blast?""

coincedence

""Does everyone know that BP CEO Tony Hayward is a member of the Bilderberg Group?""

all the top rich/powerful are Bilderberg members

"Why did they continue pushing the drilling operation, knowing that pieces of equipment were broken and falling apart?"

because it costs $1 Million per day to operate the rig and they were already about 6 weeks behind schedule.

""Now it seems that BP will purposefully let the gushing oil continue as they build a legal strategy that stands a chance of winning.""

Not happening, they want to stop the leak because they get an EPA fine based on the total amount spilled, the bigger the spill the bigger the fine.

"" Was killing the Gulf the plan all along... and for what reason?""

doubt it, they are losing big money on the deal, lawsuits, fines, cleanup costs, bad for business.

[Arkana]

18. The DLC and the New Democrat Coalition

in conjunction with Vince Foster and Michelle Obama's whitey tape shot the oil rig from the grassy knoll with a high-powered rifle.

[PufPuf23]

24. The oil lease could not be operated without Categorical Exclusions issued under NEPA

A proper NEPA procedure would have identified risks and mitigation measures (methods to minimize environmental and social risks and to address the unexpected).

A Categorical Exclusion minimizes analysis, time frame, and agency and public review and publicity.

Under NEPA, a "no action" alternative is required by law in an EIS (Environmental Impact Statement) or EA (Environmental Assessment).

A "no action" decision would be the rational decision by a Federal Line Officer if the analysis was not to adequate standards or if impacts or the unexpected in the action could not be mitigated by known methods. "No Action" is a required action under an EIS or EA but a Categorical Exclusion in essense states that standard mitigations are more than adequate and there is gap in technology nor science -- the risk of poor outcome is miniscule.

Categorical Exclusions require only a 30 day notice in the Federal Register. MMS did not follow protocol for consultations with other agencies required by a number of other laws that in most cases take far more than 30 days.

Scientists in the Federal agencies were ignored and those with intelligence and ethics have been systematically reduced in number and influence since Reagan.

Categorical Exclusions have been the common practice for the drilling permits. This is so far out of proportion to the review process under NEPA to the point of extreme absurdity and cognitive dissonance.

Salazar knew better and other career and politically appointed managers in the DOI/MMS/other agencies do as well.

NEPA has become a "define" rather than "address" reality world and has had 30 years of self-selection to exclude those of most insight and ethic. Even the large brand name environmental groups have been co opted ever since more lucrative and powerful careers could be formed in the movements.

An entirely different issue is how the citizens of the USA have been ripped off like a third world nation by big energy in what we are paid for the natural resources of the commons.

I am not sure this is per se a Conspiracy Theory.

The BP Gulf oil gusher is far greater in impact than 9-11.