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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:20 PM
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When you are going to lie, lie big, lie early, lie often.
From the Liar Of Record, the Wall Street Journal.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703315404575250264210294510.html

"No, You Can't Keep Your Health Plan" - lie number one, and right there at the very start. Sure you can. The article goes on to present no facts at all that the Health Care Reform legislation prevents you from keeping your health insurance plan.

"President Obama guaranteed Americans that after health reform became law they could keep their insurance plans and their doctors. It's clear that this promise cannot be kept. Insurers and physicians are already reshaping their businesses as a result of Mr. Obama's plan."

Oh I see, Mr. Gottlieb is going to argue that indirectly, because of changes in the market, some insurance plans might change and some doctors might not be available to you either through your current plan or in exactly the same way you access them today. Hmmm... I suspect that either Mr. Gottlieb pays no attention to his own health care plan, or he has one of those 'Cadillac Plans' we keep hearing about, the ones like everyone had back in the 60's and 70's, where you just go to any doctor, hand him your Blue Cross card, and that is that. The rest of us in the Mismanaged Care system that sprang up in the 80's and 90's deal with shifting doctor networks, plan changes, insurer changes, etc every damn year, all of this way before Obama got out of college.

"This regulation is going to have its biggest impact on insurance sold directly to consumers—what's referred to as the "individual market." These policies cost more to market. They also have higher medical costs, owing partly to selection by less healthy consumers."

Which of course leaves out something like 95% of the health care industry. Also Mr. Gottlieb neglects to mention that the individual market is the most dysfunctional part of our dysfunctional health care system, that 90% of individuals who try to purchase individual insurance fail to do so simply because they cannot afford the enormous premiums charged by the for profit insurers.

Perhap Gottleib should have googled this: http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/News/News-Releases/2009/Jul/New-Report-Individual-Health-Insurance-Market-Failing-Consumers.aspx
New Report: Individual Health Insurance Market Failing Consumers

"This will hit Wellpoint, one of the biggest players in the individual market, particularly hard. The insurance company already has a strained relationship with the White House: Earlier this month Mr. Obama accused Wellpoint of systemically denying coverage to breast cancer patients, though the facts don't bear that out."

My heart bleeds for Wellpoint. Oh wait, no it doesn't.

"WellPoint faces firestorm over hikes, profits
Insurer's 727% rise in profits comes at inopportune time" - 2/10/2010
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wellpoint-faces-firestorm-over-profits-2010-02-10

"WellPoint (WLP 51.25, +0.08, +0.16%) posted a 727.3% gain on its bottom line during the fourth quarter, as net profits jumped to $2.74 billion from $331.4 million in the year-ago period. Its margins catapulted to 18% from 2.2% in 2008's fourth quarter."

Does the WSJ do fact check?

Gottlieb then gets to the heart of his thesis defense.

"Doctors, meanwhile, are selling their practices to local hospitals. In 2005, doctors owned more than two-thirds of all medical practices. By next year, more than 60% of physicians will be salaried employees. About a third of those will be working for hospitals, according to the American Medical Association. A review of the open job searches held by one of the country's largest physician-recruiting firms shows that nearly 50% are for jobs in hospitals, up from about 25% five years ago."

A trend that started in 2005 is caused by legislation that does not go into force until 2013? Odd that.

"Consolidated practices and salaried doctors will leave fewer options for patients and longer waiting times for routine appointments. Like the insurers, physicians are responding to the economic burdens of the president's plan in one of the few ways they're permitted to."

It seems that doctors are selling their practices to hospitals, and Obamacare is causing this horror, and now we are all going to have to get in line with BROWN PEOPLE (all right he didn't actually say that but isn't that the actual implication?) in CLINICS with SALARIED DOCTORS!!!!!!!

Fuck the WSJ. As Creighton Bernette (John Goodman) says in Treme: "Fuck you, you fucking fucks".











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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:48 PM
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1. Greed is the incentive for lying
and it always has been whether it is about health care or the propaganda to wage a war.

There are a relative handful of Americans that will never have enough wealth. If they have a billion they want 5 billion so they can outscore their neighbors, but most importantly so they control our government. I believe it to be hereditary DNA based aspect that drives and motivates their greed and need for control and extreme wealth.

The USA is quickly becoming third world nation where wealth and power is concentrated in fewer and fewer people. It is the natural progression that followed the dissolution of union political power and because we allow money and lobbies to control our government and politics.


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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:52 PM
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2. .
I guess the truth vs the Big Lie gets an unrec.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:34 AM
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3. F**k all you DUers. I'm going to start using this tactic on THEM whether you're with me or not.
Sarah Palin was born in Canada. She's a secret Mormon. She has a secret plan to annex the U.S. to Canada. She's in a polygamous marriage with Todd.

Glenn Beck uses a chalkboard because he used to be a schoolteacher who got fired because he gave herpes to 100 schoolchildren. Glenn Beck is a Freemason. Glenn Beck has a secret twin who works for North Korea.

Rand Paul attended sex parties in the Dominican Republic with Rush Limbaugh & Phil Gramm & Don Whittington. As a youth, Rand was the victim of abuse in similar sex parties in Omaha, Nebraska in the 1980s. Ron Paul practices ritual Satanism and has personally conducted human sacrifices at the Pentagon.

You think I'm kidding.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:48 AM
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4. That's why they lie, to get you to lie.
Edited on Sun May-23-10 02:49 AM by RandomThoughts
Try not to join them, it is your choice, and not telling you what to do.

But all that stuff going on with hate greed and deception is to change you to be like them. The perks they get are just to get them to work for that goal.

Don't fall for it, it is a trap. They want you to be like them, weather against them or for them.

Do speak and advocate for what you believe, but don't be like them, if you can help it. Although we are all flawed, don't move towards joining them.

It is not easy, but in your life every day, you will have opportunities to be who you want to be, not who they want you to be.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:52 AM
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6. Glenn Beck gave herpes to 100 schoolchildren. It's true.
And Rand Paul attends sex parties. And his dad has a 666 tattoo.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:51 AM
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5. You Can Find All That On the Internet Today, Sir: Why Would Anyone Doubt It?
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