Maybe the Democratic base is angry too

[usregimechange]

Listen up Obama supporting centrism and used-to-be Republicanism might get you right where it got Arlen Spector.

Your base wants to see more progressive leadership and less compromise and Republican hand holding.

[Nite Owl]

1. +++1

[happygoluckytoyou]

112. Tea Party? Beer fest!!! you decide..... dems coming through... finally bringing out the GUNS!!!

[RedCloud]

141. Beer, Pizza and Orgy Parties unite!

An unstoppable force!

[Jackpine Radical]

252. Beware the 3-Gs:

Godless Gays with Guns!

[theFrankFactor]

129. + Infinity

[Vincardog]

209. +++1+++1

[TxVietVet]

2. Amen.

More Progressives. Screw the republiklan "lite".

[lonestarnot]

3. Right the fuck on!

[David Zephyr]

4. Well, there was certainly a message tonight for PA.

Great night.

[dotymed]

59. Yes it was.

The teapartier (ugg) that beat McConnell (YAY) in the primary, had (IMO) some great "Progressive" ideas. Unfortunately, a couple of teaparty "ideas" totally fucked up the good. Maybe we are not too far from our fellow citizens on most of our derision of the status quo. If we could actively unite and organize on common ground and leave the MSM dividing points alone, we could retake our government. Of course, doing away with the Dept. of Education is absurd, but strengthening free public education is a great idea. Maybe we could agree? No "common person" could disagree with the necessity of a free, good, public education.

[dotymed]

75. I'm sorry. I misread.

I guess, for now, we are still stuck with McConnell. I despise this POS so much that I may have "projected" at the early hour I scanned the election results. I'm also sorry for Ky. and America that McConnell is still comfortably in office....

[dflprincess]

126. We are stuck with McConnell

but the candidate the Teabagger beat was hand picked by McConnell so in someways Yurtle was smacked.

[benchwarmer]

250. The Coffee Party

I joined a "counter movement" called the Coffee Party. Pretty much their basic position is that we should all discuss these issues civily. You know, the antithesis to the name-calling, brow-beating, threating, racist commentary we see coming out of some of the Teaparty people.

BTW, as an American I find the hijacking of a historical group like the Boston Tea Party, offensive. If they were acutally independent non-partisan as some claim and not ultra-conservative liberatarians, I'd feel differently.

BTW #2 has anyone else noticed that the Tea Party movement's positions are sounding more and more like the Libertarian Party? I'm absolutely floored by this. Here's a party that has gotten Zero-to-no traction in Washington or pretty much anywhere else with their philosophies, but throw in a recession, some drunken raving white guys (who should be wearing shirts that cover their chest hair), call it a TeaParty, steal the marine corp. flag and whalla! It's all the rage.

I'd really like to see the media stop addressing the teaparty as some "force to be reakoned with" I'm not saying there isn't unrest, but labeling that as one among many many movements and giving them all the air-time is bullshit. Furthermore we gotta start calling it like it is. If someone starts espousing Libertarian ideals, lets call it that!

[Joe Bacon]

80. Yes, 30 years of Arlen is enough.

The last campaign I worked my heart out on was Teddy's 1980 win in Pennsylvania. Sadly, that was the same night that unleashed Arlen into the Senate. Well, it was worth every second I spent in front of the TV last night just savoring the defeat of that jerk. Bye Arlen! :-)

[rhett o rick]

82. Cant Arlen run as an Independent? Ala Joe the dipshit Lieberman? nm

[laughingliberal]

101. No, he can not

In United States politics, a sore-loser law is a law which states that the loser in a primary election can't then run as an independent in the general election. These laws do not apply to presidential candidates <1>. Many states accomplish the same requirement by having simultaneous registration dates for the primary and the general election; in fact only the states of Connecticut, Iowa, New York and Vermont don't have either a sore-loser law or simultaneous registration deadlines..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sore-loser_law

[rhett o rick]

149. Good to know. Thank you very much. nm

[Myrina]

118. Shit, he's been in just about every other party ....

:shrug: .... you'd think he'd get the hint and retire gracefully ....

[SharonAnn]

198. Arlen Specter should've "converted" to the Democratic Party years ago.

He was way too late.

And, he helped get Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, which gave us eight years of GWB.

[Name removed]

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[laughingliberal]

5. K & R nt

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[lonestarnot]

8. What he said!

:woohoo:

[usregimechange]

22. +2

[Individualist]

28. Hear, hear !

:thumbsup:

[peace frog]

66. I heard that!

Heed the warning signs, ladies and gentlemen. NEXT!

[bigwillq]

86. BRAVO!!!

:bounce: :thumbsup:

[MissDeeds]

93. Absolutely

We're mad as hell and we aren't going to take it anymore. :toast:

[closeupready]

100. Preach it!

:woohoo:

[CrispyQ]

102. Damn straight!

Capitalism: Big Surprises in Recent Polls

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/05/18-3

snip...

According to the conventional wisdom, the US is a center-Right country. But a new poll by Pew casts doubt on that idea. It shows widespread skepticism about capitalism and hints that support for socialist alternatives is emerging as a majoritarian force in America’s new generation.

Carried out in late April and published May 4, 2010, the Pew poll, arguably by the most respected polling company in the country, asked over 1500 randomly selected Americans to describe their reactions to terms such as “capitalism,” “socialism,” “progressive,” “libertarian” and “militia.” The most striking findings concern “capitalism” and “socialism.” We cannot be sure what people mean by these terms, so the results have to be interpreted cautiously and in the context of more specific attitudes on concrete issues, as discussed later.


Pew summarizes the results in its poll title: “Socialism not so negative; capitalism not so positive.” This turns out to be an understatement of the drama in some of the underlying data.

Yes, “capitalism” is still viewed positively by a majority of Americans. But it is just by a bare majority. Only 52% of all Americans react positively. Thirty-seven percent say they have a negative reaction and the rest aren’t sure.


~more at link: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/05/18-3

K&R

[kenfrequed]

193. Very appropriate considering recent news.

Far better that the Mainstream medias simplistic, bowdlerized, and fictitious meme about the results of yesterday merely being a rebellion against incumbency.

[ooglymoogly]

195. And yet; And beyond reality, the corporate media

and a crooked right, willing to lie cheat and steal, have a heavy thumb on the perception scales, of what is and what is not real; An obstacle we must overcome even while the corporate right is moving quickly to control the one great weapon we have to get the truth out...the internet.

[tblue37]

196. Of course, TPTB have very little interest in what "the people" want. Their only

concern is how much they can pressure or propagandize "the people" into putting up with.

[Kingofalldems]

7. K and R to counter the freeper un-reccers

[elocs]

58. The freeper un-reccers welcome your attention to their actions

that would otherwise have gone unnoticed.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

109. I dont think they are Freepers

I think they are DLC/Corporate Dems who frequent this board.

[dflprincess]

130. +1

[flyarm]

145. You have that 100% right..we all see them here daily! and they best heed our warnings ..

we are not taking their shit any longer!

[spiritual_gunfighter]

147. They have taken our vote for granted for too long

they just assumed we would vote for the corporate candidate when it counted and who cares if they are betraying Democratic principles, no more. All of you DLC/Corporate centrists Dems, (you know who you are of course) I hope this is a wake up call for you.

[amborin]

238. +1

[unkachuck]

9. absolutely....

....if a politician acts like a Republican, he/she should be treated like a Republican....

[EFerrari]

10. K&R

[spooky3]

11. No one does Republican Lite better than Republicans...

so it's ridiculous to try to run on that platform. Be proud of fighting for Dem. values, and you'll get votes and respect.

That's the message I hear.

[glitch]

166. Votes and Respect vs Money

We see daily which side the DLC (with ugly pride) lands on.

[harun]

12. Damn right!

[BuelahWitch]

13. K&R!

:bounce:

[Arkana]

14. Nuh uh! Nuh uh!

It's only the Republican base that's mad! Dems are gonna get CREAMED in November! CREAMED, I tells ya!

*stuffs fingers in ears, yells LA LA LA LA LA LA LA really loud*

[madrchsod]

15. rahm got his ass handed to him with spector`s loss

[sabrina 1]

33. And don't forget Blanche Lincoln, who was predicted to win

by most polsters. She had the Arkansas Dem. Machine, including Clinton behind her, the DLC and the DNC and four times the money Halter had. And she had Obama advertising for her.

Now she is forced into a run-off which Halter can win. The other Dem in the race got 13% of the vote. So hopefully some of that will go to Halter in June.

Rahm must be very worried about one of their favorite DLCers going down.

So, they don't need the base? I can see why, the base isn't buying their bull anymore, that we have to keep people like Jane Harman and Blanche Lincoln. No, we don't.

[Enthusiast]

46. Go Halter!

Show the DLCers we don't like their brand of politics!

[joe black]

121. Good!

Rahm and Salazar are on my shit list.

[liberation]

133. Don't forget the clusterf*ck which was losing Kennedy's seat in Massachusetts

Rahm is a tool. His DLC bullsh*t cost the Dems the senate and the house in the mid 90s, leaving Clinton and his admin in a very very tough position, and opened the door to Gingrich and the other barbarians with their Contract on America BS.

He presents himself as an attack dog, but Mr. Emmanuel is just a yapping annoying useless toy dog. All bark, no bite... only attacking targets which are weaker than him. And since he is suffering from some massive small man syndrome it seems, well... there are not that many targets smaller that he is. So indeed makes sense why he only shows his teeth to liberals, who tend to be tamer and more polite than the real bad guys: the GOP.

Obama's selection of CoS was a rather significant hint on where this presidency was headed, and that sucks.

[flyarm]

148. and the governor of NJ!!..this coud be very ugly for the DLC'ers..

people are pissed ..and they are going to stay pissed..and the dems better damn soon wake up to that fact.

They will at at the voting booths..if they don't take heed! And rightly so..all the commericals and dirty tricks won't save them.

They best get the DLC bots off these boards ..and stop the shit..we are in no laughing mood for their antics.

[dflprincess]

134. My fear is that Rahm will hold true to form and decide this happened

because Lincoln & Specter weren't conservative enough and people were voting against them not for their opponents to send that message.

I imagine Rahm is still telling himself that we will keep voting for anyone who has a "D" after their name because we have no where else to go. The corporate whores in the party will not let go without a fight.

[glitch]

167. He'll find a way to blame the Left. Anybody's fault but his. nt

[laughingliberal]

222. Of course. We already read the WP's Rahm fellating piece telling us...

how much better Obama's presidency would be going if only he'd listened more to Rahm!

Let's hope his boss has a little more sense than to keep believing this drivel.

[saracat]

232. Some are already spinning this as a "win" and intentional. There is no end to the delusion.

Talk about double standards. In every other reality when a WH backed candidate LOSES, it is considered a LOSS for the WH. The delusionals who reside in an alterante reality are now claiming otherwise.

[Contrary1]

16. Let the teabaggers get mad...

We'll just get even.

[girl gone mad]

17. You would think they would have learned a lesson by now..

their brand of "centrism" is political poison.

How many more of these corporatists have to lose after getting the full endorsement and support of the Obama machine before the leadership gets that message?

[Swamp Rat]

18. I'm way past angry at 'conservative democrats'

or whatever the hell they call themselves.

[flyarm]

35. they are the "NEW DEMOCRATS" don'tcha know...well us old democrats are saying ..

piss on you!!...and we are taking back our party!

With real democratic values and principles!

[lonestarnot]

42. fuckwads works for me.

[Enthusiast]

47. Good word.

It fits.

[Sebastian Doyle]

224. They're calling themselves the "true liberals" now, believe it or not.

No, seriously. It's been the primary offensive from Message Discipline LLC for the past two weeks now.

[LWolf]

268. Unbelievable. nt

[QC]

19. Kick! n/t

[Amonester]

20. K&R (nt cuz that's the message).

[Jim Sagle]

21. K & R & fuckin' A!

[Autumn]

23. K/R

I want a LOT less compromise.

[Sherman A1]

54. Precisely

I want a real Progressive Agenda (Universal Health Care, EFCA, cut Defense Spending by 50%, Real Green Energy programs, infrastructure programs, get rid of DADT, let adults marry any consenting adult they want) put forth and rammed down the throat of any of the GOP that stands in the way. They want to filibuster, fine, please do so but they should damn well be prepared to stand up and talk for a very long time.

I am sick to death of compromise with these bozo's.

:mad:

[Maat]

56. +1

Exactly.

[peace frog]

70. Hells yeah

Pay attention, DLC. YOUR jobs are next on the list, and you're going down. See ya at the polls, losers! :hi:

[Autumn]

84. I like the way you think

:toast:

[The Green Manalishi]

98. I would change that a bit

".....put forth and rammed down the throat of any of the GOP <'Blue Dogs', 'Independents', or DLC centrists> that stands in the way.

Quite frankly, anyone against any of what you (and I) consider a progressive agenda is NOT a democrat, they are fascist Lite at best.

[CrispyQ]

105. A serious omission in your list: a woman's right to do what she wants with her body.

I'm sick of our party backing anti-choice candidates over pro-choice ones. Fuck them! You want my vote you sorry fuckers, then you better support my right to do what I want with my body. :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[BrklynLiberal]

261. +10000!!!

[Lorien]

173. And compromising when we have the MAJORITY is beyond the pale!

If Obama were representing the people who voted for him he would be just as tough with any opposition as BushCo was. BushCo had DEM majorities doing his bidding, now Obama can't do the same? Give me a break. He either works for the GOP and corporate criminals or he works for the Democratic party and the majority of American citizens. He can't have it both ways.

[Dappleganger]

24. Giant K&R

[calimary]

25. Yeah, you think they're gonna bother?

I'd genuinely be surprised, and pleasantly so, if they took notice of this. I think it's a MAJOR point, made by true-blue Democrats in Pennsylvania who spoke for all of us when they went for Sestak instead of Arlen Specter. I hope Obama and friends are paying attention.

[usregimechange]

26. They may need to pay attention to AR as well

[Hardrada]

27. Let God arise and scatter his enemies!

Heed that, unrighteous DLC!!

[Contrary1]

29. Take a look at the results in the different races...

More Democrats than Repubs showed up at the polls today, even in the red states.

[flyarm]

40. ya know ..all the dems I know are damn pissed off ..like I have never seen before..

most are saying ..if and a big if they vote in Nov it will to be to take all incombants down!

Most dems i know ( and I know alot) say..if I wanted a repub in office I would have voted for one..but they say they got one anyway..with all the work and money they spent to put a dem in office they feel like they got another damn repig!..and they are pissed beyond words!
They are sick of the race crap..they are sick of seeing women going back wards and gays getting nothing but promises..they are getting more war not less..they are getting drilling when promised no drilling..they see more renditions taking place and nothing done about habeas corpus or the patriot act..they are pissed about this health insurance give away..and they are damn pissed about immunity to the telecoms and spying on them to continue. They see nothing being done to help the people who are losing homes to forclosure..grocery prices going higher and higher with no increase in salaries..and friends and family still losing jobs with no jobs in sight for those who have lost jobs..but huge give aways to the banks and wall street..people are at a breaking point..and they will show Washington who is fucking boss!

[pundaint]

48. That's why challengers to all the incumbents in primaries are required.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

60. That's what I always say! If I want Republican policies I can vote Republican

What's the point in me voting for Democrats to STILL get Republican policies?

I believe that a progressive/liberal whatever you want to call it could make for an uncomfortable primary for President Obama. But, at the same time, I highly doubt that anyone will do it.

[flyarm]

142. Many many will stay home..and If I continue to see the White house let BP run this oil disaster

in my back yard ..I will stay home too..I felt that way before the oil gusher..over health care..now I am more determined!
I want to know the real air quality and I want to know what is going to come onto my beaches!..and not from Salazar and not from BP..I want real scientists doing the work to determine what we are really faced with..that BP fucked us with !

I want Habeas Corpus reinstated, I want the immunity for spying o us revoked..and I want the Patriot act stopped, and I want real health care with no cadillac taxes..What I want is my country back!

And i want to see real rule of law restored in this country!

If Obama and his band of Dems can't give me my country back ..i will find someoe who will or I will stay home!

[riverdale]

273. Would love a challenger to Obama

If such a thing happened, that candidate would get viciously attacked on all sides, even from DU. Sometimes we really do get the politicians we deserve.

[havocmom]

69. Hell, I even know some 'old school Republicans' who vote DEM and want more to the left

much more to the left. The old school, honest Republicans I know have been donating to and voting for DEM candidates since 2000, but they are not happy with how far right those DEM pols have gone.

DLC needs to get a clue and start representing PEOPLE instead of corporations.

[tnlefty]

120. You're describing my mother and some of her friends.

She was so sick of Smirk by '06 that she was looking around and all she was seeing was repugs taken in by the so-called religious right, the corporations over people and she started voting for democrats. She fully understands that Pres. Obama inherited a huge mess and she's tried to be patient, but her patience is running out. It seems the lobbyists are still in charge and she's getting increasingly pissed as are her friends.

She told me a couple of months ago that she'd been checking out socialist websites (I almost had a stroke, lol) and she's seriously shopping around. She's even asked me if I knew who Sen. Sanders is. I laughed and told her that I've sent him small contributions over the years and that he's one of my favorite elected officials. She mentioned that, "he describes himself as a socialist, but he seems to have a lot of common sense to me.":wow: :) :)

[havocmom]

125. Your mom is a wonderful example to us geezers: Never to old to learn...

never to old to change and grow!

Give her a hug from her DU fans!

[glitch]

164. Life-long Republican brother fits into this category.

But the current administration, like every administration since 1980, isn't so much after voters as much as corporate backers.

[TheKentuckian]

215. Yup, I know a few that haven't voted for a single puke since the mid 90's

I think they hope for some far off day that their party is sane again or won't be run off.

[joe black]

123. Excellent

[kenfrequed]

194. Ok I agree sort of

But don't mix your message.

Stating this is a storm against incumbency plays into a mainstream media meme that serves to mitigate all the issues you followed that point with.

It really is about the issues and about progressive values and doing the right thing.

[jeff47]

74. Might need a grain of salt on that

According to Olbermann, the historical pattern is for Democrats to out-vote Republicans in primaries, and then the Republican wins in November.

I would really enjoy knocking off Rand Paul in the general, but we shouldn't get our hopes up yet.

[lonestarnot]

30. kick

[Lugnut]

31. A-fricken-men!

I'm very proud of my state's voters tonight.

[county worker]

32. Lawrence O'Donnell was the only one to say that tonight.

[phleshdef]

34. Meawhile, in the real world...

Average voters continued not to give a shit that the Obama admin. supported the incumbents during the Democratic primaries and President Obama continued to receive high approval ratings from people who identify as Democrats and Liberals, contrary to the loud and vocal, but otherwise minority chorus of blogosphere wannabe pundits (that means you).

[fasttense]

61. Oh I so disagree.

It's NOT that we dislike President Obama (double negatives have their place). We, the loud and vocal, but otherwise minority chorus of blogosphere wannabe pundits, like your average voter, like him a lot. But we, like your average voter, don't like his policies. That's why incumbents are being voted out.

The average voter does give a shit that's why his policies get such low approval ratings.

President Obama has been blinded by the right. The average voter has put on their sunglasses and can see the train wreck coming. We are just trying to give President Obama a pair of sunglasses, not push him out in front of the train.

[laughingliberal]

103. +1 nt

[phleshdef]

113. Good thing its not something that subjects itself to your opinion.

Barack Obama still polls very high among identified Dems and Liberals. His policies still poll very high among identified Dems/Liberals.

The approval problems come in with independents and of course, Republicans. Independents do not tend to be more liberal (which is unfortunate for us, but true and we might as well admit it). This is all based on polling numbers, which are the only thing we have to judge anything by until there is another election.

President Obama hasn't been blinded by anything other than political reality.

[liberation]

137. Pretending that "reality" and "whatever the GOP wants" are the same, are the epitome of demagogy

But I guess, only your own "opinion" is what matters right? LOL.

[phleshdef]

143. No one said "reality" is "whatever the GOP wants".

The GOP doesn't want and didn't want Barack Obama to get one bill through, they didn't want any form of healthcare reform (regardless of how we feel about the finished product), they don't want the financial reform bill thats about to be passed soon. The reality is that the Senate, even with a Democratic majority, is not and never was a super majority of progressives. Thats the reality President Obama has had to deal with and is what I was speaking of. It doesn't matter how hard of a liberal chest beater you are, if you want to accomplish anything at all, you WILL make compromises in that situation. The American people, which are both liberal, conservative and somewhere in between, pay the President a paycheck to deliver, not to sit around yelling about how progressive he or she is while getting nothing done.

Nothing I said in regard to polling is an opinion. There are polls, they have results, numbers and statistical trends that can be read. I read them and simply stated what they said. If a poll sais that 80-90% of self identified dems/liberals APPROVE of President Obama's job, then thats what the poll sais. You don't GET to have an opinion that sais "90 really means 45". 90 does not mean 45. 90 means 90.

[kenfrequed]

201. confusion.

You are confusing personality with issues.

The GOP did not want Obama to get a win on healthcare. They barely bothered to actually engage the issue of healthcare. Our own conservadems did more damage to real healthcare reform than the choir of re-puke's singing their songs of obstruction and 'no.'

The approval question has almost nothing to do with issues and fits neatly into a personality based politics. Approval can be paper thin, after all, after Bush who wouldn't approve? But it does not go deeper and it doesn't really ask the question as to whether Democrats (and Americans at large) want more regulation for Wallstreet, more money for education and job training, better protections on the environment, and the wealthy to pay their share.

These primaries and the special election that occurred are more an indictment on those specific elements of the democratic party that have ignored the base and ignored key democratic issues far too long. But it is also a reverification of our commitment to these issues, particularly in the case of Murtha's former seat which had every possible reason to swing Republican but no amount of tea party BS nor Gop malarky and money resulted in a win.

[ChiciB1]

83. I Simply CAN NOT Agree with what You Just Said! If Obama Continues

on this very same path... SCREW his numbers, they obviously aren't really working at this point in time!

PRETTY SPEECHES do NOT an winner make!! If it's ONLY about HIS numbers, then I feel a certain amount of narcissism here!

Disagree, I don't care! What I CARE about it that the Democratic Party I have been loyal to for years and years is snubbing it's nose at me and even sticking it's tongue out too!

I'm one who actually TURNS OFF Obama when he starts with his "specifying" these days! It has actually affected my health to some extent as I load myself up with TUMS because of what I'm seeing! I REALLY, REALLY need to see THE REAL BASE back on track! And as long as Obama is listening to the likes of RAHM, I will pick and choose who I vote for!! And that means it might just be Chawlie Crist, who I NEVER thought I could do in the past!!

[CrispyQ]

111. Ah, Chici, I turn him off too!

If he was as bumbling & incoherent as Bush, but supported true progressive policies, I would listen to his every word. Instead, he speaks eloquently, but supports the corporate status quo. I'm sick of being told to sit down & shut up when it comes to policies & law, but then told it will be my fault if the dems lose come Election Day. Fuck 'em.

[ChiciB1]

221. Thanks For Your Reply & Agreement Crispy!! Had To Go To Get An

eye examine this AM right after I posted (looking at my mistakes I needed it) and just within the past 1/2 hour is the dilation wearing off! Never has taken so long to wear off!

I've been aware of my rising anger for some time now, but am happy to see more people "begin" to see some of what is going on. I KNOW you and many others here have been saying the same thing as I for quite some time, but HAVE seen a few new names!!

It's way past time we get some JUSTICE rather than JUST ICE!! Just the mere fact that Specter got defeated is a START. I don't know how he'll add to the process because he hasn't been in D.C. very long, but I was pulling for him to win!

Thanks again!!!

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[Nite Owl]

127. Primary voters

are not average voters, that's why they show up and they are more informed.

[phleshdef]

144. So you honestly believe that average voters care that the Pres. backed incumbents during a primary?

[flyarm]

153. Your damned right they did! they proved it! Oh , and your spin and insults and arrogance..

is not working with dems anymore!

yawn............

[phleshdef]

159. Its not spin. Presidents back party incumbents. Sometimes they don't win.

This isn't some historically groundbreaking event, no matter how much you would like for it to be.

I for one am glad that the more progressive candidates made headway, thrilled even. I greatly approve of President Obama but I still would have voted for Sestak if I lived in PA. See how that works?

Maybe you should get your emotions under control before you give this any further thought.

[flyarm]

165. democratic presidents don't back the fucker who coveed up the murder of a democratic president

over a real democrat..and then try shove shit on a shingle to other democrats about it!

Tooo damn many of us have long memories!!

and we vote..or withold our vote....what ever.......

[phleshdef]

178. I've no time for unproven conspiratorial nonsense.

Like my original reply said... meanwhile, in the real world.

[flyarm]

191. and I have no time for your DLC talking points..might as well debate a repig. eom

[phleshdef]

197. Yea, you have fun playing autobots vs decepticons.

[Sebastian Doyle]

230. Decepticons?

That's a fucking great nickname for the DLC. Thanks! :hi:

[saracat]

233. In the REAL world, the WH LOST !The voters are sending a message.

This centrist BS has got to stop. Compromise is over.

[suzie]

135. +100,000

[liberation]

136. Denial is the first stage of grieving... so I guess you're on your way. LOL

Taking that first step is what is important.

[phleshdef]

146. Wow, not even relevant at all to the point I was making.

[flyarm]

156. and what is that point ..besides insults and arrogance? sorry you are on a sinking ship! eom

[phleshdef]

181. I was rooting for Sestak and Halter and Critz to win. Yet, I'm on a sinking ship.

[flyarm]

160. and what is that point ..besides insults and arrogance? sorry you are on a sinking ship!

or oil platform that is destroying our environment..of which the Dem's have turned over media control to black out truth!

Now go polish your DLC trophy..someone may be interested in that one day ..as a dinosaur that died in 2010!

[sui generis]

158. yeah. shut up and vote.

like we haven't heard enough of that. This is DU, and while I like to believe its subscribers are largely progressive, the leadership we have the privilege of voting for turns out to be largely centrist.

Well, although another "friend" of the community, Bill Clinton gave us the politics of appeasement which delivered DADT and states rights to determine who can get married over the individual's rights to get married, and countless family tragedies in hospitals, insurance claims, adoption proceedings and estate disposition.

If you're not voting for your issues, what are you voting for? The democratic party has ALWAYS taken its votes for granted, and your comment is just a further observation of that. Of course average voters don't give a shit. If we had a take charge, non-centrist leadership that "average voters" could identify with on issues that matter and meaningful solutions, we would give a shit.

[Uzybone]

36. Hilarious

Yes, the 6% of liberals who don't give Obama thier approval will get him voted out.

[lonestarnot]

38. Get out! That was not what OP said!

[kenfrequed]

106. Spin all you like

We are not seeking to put Obama out, what we are seeking, and what the OP clearly stated was that we want him to live up to the progressive values that most of us volunteered, and made phone calls, and stuffed envelopes for. He can still be that president. He can still be the President we all wanted him to be and that I think he too probably wants to be.

We are not witholding our support from the field, we are changing the field and putting in people that will put people before banks. The republican manufactured anger provided temporary cover for the DLC people to vote against our interest and shaft us even when we did barely cling to a 60 vote lead in the Senate. This is to put THEM on notice. The fake corporate, republican tea party is over. The remnants of it are just dissidents with wildly crazed platforms that no American will support.

We want no more phoney candidates shoved down our throat by the party apparatus that seems to be controlled by blue dogs and DLC stooges. No more!

[phleshdef]

184. If thats what the OP meant, they should have worded it more carefully.

[phleshdef]

185. If thats what the OP meant, they should have worded it more carefully.

[phleshdef]

183. Exactly the point I was making in a post above.

[Uzybone]

37. Hilarious

Yes, the 6% of liberals who don't give Obama thier approval will get him voted out.

[tavalon]

64. Obama is getting my vote in 2012

but I'm very angry at him and at every blue dog "democrat" waste of space politician in Washington. Can you for just a moment, ponder that those two things can co-exist?

[liberation]

138. They don't have to ponder, because they know they have your vote

and thus they can abuse you all they want. After all, where are you gonna go in 2012? not towards the GOP that is for sure.

The responses I see from some DLC toadies in this thread are enlightening. They are basically giving the middle finger and pretending it is their party and they do with it as they wish. Same prick entitled attitude than a lot of the GOP, no wonder the DLC wants to turn the Dems into their own private GOP.

[flyarm]

162. No they don't..they have to earn it..or I sit my ass home! I just might need my nails done that day.

[Lorien]

177. The DLC IS the GOP. Always has been. The plan all along was to destroy liberalism

from the inside out. They have a "business group" here in Central Florida that "grooms" up and coming politicians to serve their interests. Their saying is "it doesn't matter if we register them as Democrats or Republicans; either way, we'll end up with a favorable result."Corporate America knows that labels are nothing more than false advertising in most cases. Just another ploy to make us think that we have a say in the matter. It's time to put up real liberal challengers or go third party. Allowing our party to be completely destroyed from within is not an option. I will no longer vote for ANY DLC/ GOP candidate!

[Lorien]

175. He won't run in 2012.

he's already dropped plenty of hints about that.

[tavalon]

247. Really? I missed that.

Well, if that's true, and I doubt it, Hillary Clinton won't be finishing out her term as SOS. She'll be on the campaign trail.

[tomp]

208. but people still blame nader for throwing the vote to bush.

you can't have it both ways. 6% is clearly enough to make a difference (and the numbers of disaffected are likely considerably larger than that).

i, for one, know i am not voting for obama without a drastic (and i do mean drastic) turn around in policies (like that's gonna happen!). i'm sure i'm not the only one.

the op is a warning, and the dems might well be behooved to heed it. move left now or be prepared to pay the piper.

[avaistheone1]

39. K&R

:kick:

[begin_within]

41. But will Obama listen?

[daughter of liberty2]

43. +100,000,000

[leveymg]

44. Angry isn't the word for it.

Who stole my party and disguised it as a Kinder, Gentler Reagan Revolution?

[pundaint]

49. That would be your elected Democratic officials for the last 30 years. They started believing the

same Liberal = Immoral bullshit the Republicans were smearing them with. Instead of asserting the supremacy of their ideas, they hid and went along. That's why the incumbents must be replaced, they were raised in a culture of capitulation - they know no other way - even when they're right.

[flyarm]

189. its not even kinder or gentler ..eom

[JDPriestly]

45. Thanks for delivering the message via DU, usregimechange.

We do not want same old, same old.

Reliable information about the BP oil spill, for one thing, should be made public as soon as it is available.

[tavalon]

50. That's the take home message from yesterday

Are you listening Rahm? Are you listening President Obama? Send that worthless POS back to Chicago to play mayor and you start playing progressive politics. You do that and you'll have your Obama For America army back and ready to go.

Ignore yesterday at your peril. We are pissed and we aren't seeing a whole lot of help from either side of the aisle. We know the Republicans won't ever help so it's up to you. This is your game to win or lose. Time to show us the chess master we've been told to expect.

[Scruffy1]

51. I gag ever time I hear talking heads talk about moderates

What they don't know is that a sizable minority is way left of the "progressive" dems. But how would they know. They are all millionaires and never consort with us low types. The asswipe dems just keep counting on our vote and fucking us over. Time for a change.

[Sebastian Doyle]

229. Oh they know. They just don't want anyone else to know

The corporate whore media favors bullshit "centrism" (corporatism) because it serves their interests. An actual Democratic agenda wouldn't. Except, if they actually gave a shit about reporting news, the real changes that would come from a true Democratic agenda would give them plenty to talk about.

Of course that would include an end to corporate media consolidation. And the corporate whores can't allow that.

[Demeter]

52. Maybe? No Doubt About It!

The anger is palpable, when it's not drowned out by despair, rather like rocks washed by waves, but still there, ready to rend careless boats that don't navigate safe passage through the maze.

[Hannah Bell]

53. +100. no handholding, in fact. those people have their servants to do that.

[Kablooie]

55. Yes. The GOP has nothing to offer except dilution and corruption. Neither helps anyone.

[Hubert Flottz]

57. You can't make deals with political terra-ists.

The repubs would rather see the country fail than to lose.

[LaydeeBug]

62. a-MEN! nt

[pecwae]

63. Succinct post.

[polichick]

65. Yep - a Democratic party without Democratic principles is not cutting it. nt

[democrank]

67. K & R, K & R, K & R...........

"Leftist" checking in. You know, one of those Democratic nuts who favors social and economic justice over genuflecting to corporate barracudas.

[disillusioned73]

68. Hell to the yeah!!

[Segami]

71. WELL SAID & Kicking This To The Moon

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[old mark]

72. OK but don't tell ME - Tell Obama ! Here's the White House email link:

Link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

I already emailed them early this morning to make sure they noticed Sestak won in PA and Lincoln is going to have to face a run off in AR...

Send them a message this morning to make sure they got the messang from yesterday!


mark

[EXneoCON]

207. Done!

[florida08]

73. damn skippy

The whole bs with BP is the last straw.

[Yuugal]

76. K&R

[patrice]

77. End the reign of Economic Royalists!!! or be voted OUT.

[terrapinwelcher]

78. You Are Correct

Both sides are polarizing and there will be even less room for "compromise". It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[ChiciB1]

79. Oh HOW I AGREE!! I'm Fed Up & SICK Of CONSERVADEMS & Our

"Right Wing" Push! OBAMA... You are disappointing so many of us and WE are ready to BOLT!!

Forget Rand Paul, GET BEHIND those that brought you and STOP the Rahm Emmanuel SPEED BOAT!

I've been floundering around for so long now WONDERING where I fit in! The Tea-Baggers MUST be stopped and you're NOT going to do it by calling "your base" RETARDS!

I think that comment has stuck in my craw since it was UTTERED and I simply can't forget it!!!
JMHO!!

[joe black]

131. + a million

[ChiciB1]

223. Welcome To DU JOE BLACK!! We Need More Of You To Stand With Us!

I recently slowed down my posting, but looks like I'm back with a vengeance today!

WE NEED TO TAKE THE COUNTRY BACK, and letting the Tea-Baggers get all the STICK'UM is making me want to :puke:

:nuke: :grr:

Hitting the streets MAY BE something that will be back in fashion. Democrats just might have to think about it all over again! We are getting pushed around not only by the OTHER side, The Tea-Baggers, but our very own WH and the our supposed Democratic leaders all at the same time!

Right now, Dylan Ratigan is RANTING about Chris Dodd and how much money he's been taking from BANKERS for so long, and the people who are STILL supporting him from that industry and HE'S decided NOT TO RUN AGAIN!

Gives new meaning to "Take The Money & Run!"

[Oceansaway]

81. !

[BeliQueen]

85. Don't make us "Sestak" you!

[realFedUp]

87. Firings and regulations

We, the people, want to see some justice in this country finally...
for the people who break our laws, who set aside the rules to
do what they want, who put this country in the crapper for their
own greed.
We want a Justice Dept. who does its job.
We want a President who calls for the heads of those in the government
who didn't do their jobs and in fact were in bed with those they were
supposed to regulate.
We want stronger regulations on corporations and honest people in office who will
carry out the laws.

Fire some people Obama. Get some damn cojones in DC or more will be voted
in with some, including women.

Our Congressional districts are so gerrymandered that incumbents rarely have
to worry about being voted out, but as shown in this election, they can be.

[howaboutme]

122. Good post

You said it very well.

We want accountability not cover-up. When was the last time an elitist (a rich and politically powerful individual in or out of government) was actually held accountable for massive incompetence, corruption or outright criminal activity, in the same manner a petty criminal or average American is held accountable?

I'm fed up with our politicians in general. The anger in the USA is because we have a government and both Parties that are beholden to lobbies and corporations that generally could give a fuck about the people of the USA. They have other interests and many times they aren't even Americans. It is time that all voters start to hold the feet of politicians to the fire and demand that their interests not serve lobbies or corporations but the greater good of the USA. I actually believe the establishment (Parties, Corps, Lobbies, Media) are working their ass off to pull the needed strings to marginalize anyone and any group that is a threat to their dominance and that includes Tea Baggers.

[bigwillq]

88. K and R K and R K and R K and R K and R

:bounce: :thumbsup:

Great post!

[12AngryBorneoWildmen]

89. Bill Clinton could still screw this up.

Word on the street (read MSNBC) is the Big Dog will bring his marinated stogie down to Arkansas and stump for "one of many convenient BLANCHE locations" LINCOLN.

[derby378]

92. I dunno...

Lincoln's finagling on health insurance reform succeeded in helping to water down the final bill that passed the Senate and got forced through the House.

[CrispyQ]

116. Personally, I don't hold Clinton with much regard & neither do a lot of leftists.

However, we must fight back. Here's the Act Blue page for Bill Halter. Even $5 will help.

http://www.actblue.com/page/billhalter

[howaboutme]

124. All the same

To get to his position they've already been thoroughly vetted by the establishment (Media, Parties, Corporations, Lobbies, Think Tanks). Anyone that didn't fit inside their corporate cookie mold would have been discredited. That means the people that make it to the top are basically of the same pro corporate elitist mindset and they will use the people as needed with the key word being "use", not work for the benefit of.

[Echo In Light]

90. K/R

[jsgindc]

91. You Betcha!

We don't want wimps! We want true Progressives!

[601Liberal]

94. Heck yeah!

We're sick and tired of being ignored!

[PSzymeczek]

257. We'll go all "Fatal Attraction" on 'em.

"We won't be IGNORED!"

[MissDeeds]

95. K&R

I won't support any candidate who doesn't support progressive ideals and issues.

[mochajava666]

96. Exactly

I guess the Democratic wing of the Democratic party isn't dead yet. I hope this gives us some much needed hope and momentum. I'm really getting tired of begging my Democratic congressmen and President to not sell out, and do what they promised.

[colsohlibgal]

97. Oh Yeah

Want to be republican lite? Be prepared to pay the consequences. That goes for you too Mr. Obama.

[closeupready]

99. Amen.

+1

[redqueen]

104. Yep.

I hope he's listening.

[Fire1]

107. You may be on to something. n/t

[LiberalEsto]

108. Amen. And JOBS.

We need a serious jobs program like the ones FDR used to pull our country out of the First Depression.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

110. Hell yes

This is the real story of this election, not the teabaggers. But will you hear that from the MSM, hell no.

[Doc Martin]

114. Yes!

This is why I voted for Sestak.

[bonnieS]

117. Are you familiar with Sestak's record?

i can't stand Spector for his role in the Anita Hill hearings, but Sestak seems to be to his right, at least on issues of war. I have not actually see anything about his record that seems to be more progressive than Spector's.

[pundaint]

139. It is sad that one must make a point with much less than a progressive. But, in this case, the

point needed to be made. The fact that Sestak is who he is makes the point of RNC rejection just that much more clear.

[liberation]

140. Indeed...

The only choices the Dems are giving to voters in many states are either frying pan, or the fire beneath... in case you decide to jump off it.

It is the ultimate electoral abuse: taking the "least of two evils" to the primaries, further removing any sort of actual choice for citizens... down to the political party level. To me this is troubling, because it signals the last gasps of a democracy before its final metamorphosis into a full blow de facto corporatist system.

[Kolesar]

174. Wasn't he one of the Commodores?

[Eyerish]

119. K&R

[Jennicut]

128. Obama and Sestak are about the same on the issues. But hey, if

it makes you feel better...

[freddie mertz]

132. The PA vote was a rejection of the tyrannical Rendell-White House political operation.

And a victory for democracy.

They should learn their lesson and stop trying to shove the candidates they make a "little deal" with down our throats.

[KansDem]

150. But...but...what about the "Tea Party?" Aren't they suppose to have another demonstration soon?

Wha..what will the media do? They have to cover all the Tea Baggers' bitching and moaning, don't they? What if they don't have another "protest" soon to help deflect from this development? Will they have to cover the uprising in the Democratic base, too?

[davidwparker]

151. Right on. And, it had better start soon or 2012 will be prime time for an (I)

[Kolesar]

172. You thinking Lieberman?

ha ha ha

[Lorien]

179. Yeah, right. We oppose right Wing "Democrats" so that means that we'll embrace a

Right Wing extremist. Fail.

[elehhhhna]

154. Fauxbama = Capitulator in Chief

[glitch]

168. The Neville Chamberlain of The New American Century. nt

[Kolesar]

171. whatever that means

:shrug:

[fadedrose]

155. K & R

[myrna minx]

157. While the media breathlessly covered every tea bagging movement (no matter how small or laughable),

and the "powers that be" in the Democratic Party catered to their corporate (oil, bank, healthcare) masters, no one paid attention to the rumblings of the Democratic rank and file. Well - I think we sent a message last night. I wonder if anyone's listening.

[tom_paine]

163. K & R!!!!

So true...

:toast:

[Lorien]

169. What they call "centrism" today is Reagan Republicanism

what is "Right" today is fascist insanity....and the Left no longer exists as a demographic with representation at our Capital.

[laughingliberal]

235. +1000 nt

[Forkboy]

240. Yep

[Kolesar]

170. I am part of Obama's base and I am happy that he is more "liberal" than his candidacy suggested

He is concentrating on climate protection
He is stripping the weapons-makers-patronage from the defense budget
Our troops ARE leaving Iraq

His health care bill was a major transformation in government responsibility to help people.

[Lorien]

182. ....

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[Name removed]

187. Deleted message

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[LWolf]

269. +1

[defendandprotect]

206. Thanks for pointing out that Obama isn't as bad as he could have been . . . ???

Rather, most of us think Obama has reversed himself on liberal positions --

Obama is "concentrating on climate protection" . . . ???

Didn't he approve mountain-top mining? Have you ever seen the results of that?

Didn't he approve more offshore oil drilling -- in fact, hadn't he just said ...

"oil rigs these days don't spill" . . . just days before this horrific spill?

Isn't he still backing offshore drilling -- ??

And then there is his backing for more nuclear power plants --!!

Yeah, all of that looks like concern for the planet!!

Wow !!



I am part of Obama's base and I am happy that he is more "liberal" than his candidacy suggested
He is concentrating on climate protection
He is stripping the weapons-makers-patronage from the defense budget
Our troops ARE leaving Iraq

His health care bill was a major transformation in government responsibility to help people.

[Kolesar]

211. Go ahead and be angry like Mr. three sentence original poster if it pleases you

Vote against Obama. Vote for nobody. Whatever makes you happy

[defendandprotect]

212. Obviously . . . we've been waiting for your permission . . . !!!

:eyes:

[laughingliberal]

236. I know I was

:rofl:

[Radical Activist]

243. No, Obama stopped mountaintop removal coal mining.

Maybe you're just looking for facts, or non-facts, to support what you WANT to believe about Obama.

He also instituted CAFE standards to reduce oil use. That's the BEST response to the oil spill and he already did it last year. He put more money into clean energy and efficiency that Clinton and Carter combined. He has done a lot and is trying to do more.

[defendandprotect]

259. I'd be thrilled if he stopped it--!! You mean ALL mountain-top mining . . . . ????

He stopped it?


What happened after this?

http://sundaygazettemail.com/News/MiningtheMountains/200908110642


??????????

[Radical Activist]

262. Yes, he stopped it in all mountainous areas.

Actually, that old link is a good example of how people like you are frequently mislead into believing Obama's record is worse than it really is. What actually happened, if you read the article very closely, is that EPA was allowing the Corps of Engineers to review the permit. They didn't actually give final approval for the permit yet. The headline is misleading. In reality, Obama was simply letting things work through the normal review process leading up to a rule change that did stop mountaintop removal. Doing it that way added legitimacy and more permanence to his action.

When this happened there were a lot of other alarmist articles accusing Obama of going back on his word and approving mountaintop removal. It wasn't true. A few months after this story was told in a misleading way, the mine permit was put on hold, and more recently the new rule change put an end to it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-biggers/breaking-news-appalachian_b_522109.html

Isn't it weird how its so much harder to find the positive articles about Obama ending MTR compared to how easy it is to find misleading ones like you linked? I've noticed the same pattern of exaggeration, misleading rushes to judgment, and downplaying accomplishments on issue after issue. I don't fall for it anymore. I hope you won't either.

[defendandprotect]

272. Great news -- and agree with you re positive info on this . . .

However, last I remembered were headlines/articles saying he had approved it --

never saw anything suggesting anything else after that --

When you mentioned I went looking and that's what I found . . . nothing after that.

OK . . . thanks!!

:)



And trust this Gulf oil situation will cause a reversal in his off-shore drilling

decisions, as well!

[Radical Activist]

244. The center-right Democrats who didn't support Obama's liberal agenda were defeated.

That's the best result I can hope for.

[ooglymoogly]

176. This good cop bad cop routine is beginning to stink up the planet and folks are catching on.

get the message?.......Get the message!!

[defendandprotect]

180. No question but that liberals/progressives are upset and angry . . .

my concern is that they will simply walk away alone and not

all unite together as a bloc to take action!!

:)

[Kolesar]

190. Most of my friends are outspoken liberals and we are not apoplectic

and on the verge of nervous breakdown.

Meanwhile, there is real life to live. And it's a beautiful day outside.

[defendandprotect]

203. "apoplectic" and "nervous breakdown" are your words . . . however . . .

people acting independently -- maybe voting Green -- maybe dropping out --

is what I'm talking about --

Rather, we need liberals/progressives to come together to fight.

That's what I'm trying to encourage --

It is a beautiful day outside . . . not necessarily here in NJ . . . but it is

another day and another opportunity.

For many elites it's another day of surging profits as people are turned out of their homes --

http://huffpostfund.org/stories/2010/05/investors-made-millions-people-facing-eviction

For others, it's another day looking for a job in a "Great Recession" if not a "Depression"

which was Obama's word a few weeks ago; quickly scrubbed from internet.

And, btw, my son was laid off this week --

So we now personally join with the millions of others in America shocked that we still don't

have MEDICARE FOR ALL and no real jobs creation program as yet -- except a minimal program

being worked THRU CORPORATIONS!

[laughingliberal]

237. Good job! +1000. eom

[Captain Hilts]

188. But he IS a centrist. nt

[FlyByNight]

192. Hear hear!

I hope, at least in private, the President dispenses with the "bipartisanship" bullshit too. It's tired and sounds really insincere.

:bounce:

[Name removed]

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[emulatorloo]

205. Freepers have their teabaggers, which represent the views of a mere 15% of the population

So good for them.

I am not so sure that crazy mixed up pot of pure crazy is the best way to go.

Welcome to DU!

[EJSTES2005]

200. Its about fucking time!!!!!!!!

[phone]

[mistertrickster]

202. Forget about sissy tea. We should call our movement the WHISKEY REBELLION. nt

[DebbieCDC]

204. K&R

Damn straight we are mad

[emulatorloo]

210. 5-10-2010 Kos/Research 2000 Obama favorable among Dems: 91%

Unfavorable 5%
No Opinion 4%

http://www.dailykos.com/weeklypoll/2010/5/13

[Kolesar]

213. What USRC isn't getting is that the Democrats are not a mirror of the gop

The gop is in schism that started with the immigration bill under bush. The teabaggers think that the whole country dislikes Obama because some polls said that Democrats didn't like the health care bill. That's like ancient history already (note your 91%). So, teabagger world think that they can draft a message (or a platform, LOL) that they are going to win on.

But the GOP is in schism and they won't even be able to pull off fundraising or GOTV. That won't match up well against Obama in campaign mode. They're probably going to gain zero seats in Congress. Heck, there are two Senate seats in Ohio and Pennsylvania that the Dems might pick up.

But dare you not make these posters unhappy with your trying to make them happy.

[emulatorloo]

219. Yes it is very interesting how the teabaggers think they represent "THE MAJORITY"

That is why the Republican Party is in so much trouble today.

[laughingliberal]

228. Same as it ever was. I remember the 'Moral Majority' which was neither

moral nor the majority.

[ChiciB1]

227. Yep! And If It's Just About HIS NUMBERS... I Think "We " Lose!

SESTAK decided it was going to be about Joe Sestak's numbers and NOT OBAMA'S! He won last night and has a long road ahead!!

WILL HIS President be there beside HIS side??? I'm beginning to wonder!!!

[tango-tee]

214. Hallelujah and Amen!

Preach it!

[Catherina]

216. AMEN! n/t

[DrDan]

217. +1

[bvar22]

218. Sing it LOUD!

"Your base wants to see more progressive leadership and less compromise and Republican hand holding."



What are the "Liberals" going to do?
Vote for a Republican?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!


I am sick of being taken for granted while the Democratic Party Leadership panders to Conservatives.
I voted for "CHANGE",
not "Centrist" Republican appeasement.


"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone

[laughingliberal]

226. That's a big Amen, Brother! nt

[treestar]

220. Sestak has to win the election first.

If he loses to the Republican, your point will be wrong. Too early to gloat.

[laughingliberal]

225. He's not going to lose. Sorry your candidate lost. I know how that can hurt. nt

[treestar]

245. What kind of BS is that?

And he'd better win, after all the gloating here.

There better not end up a Republican in that seat.

[laughingliberal]

248. He was polling better than Arlen against Toomey so if he does not win...

we can assume Arlen would not have won, either. He can't lose if Dems turn out like they did yesterday. Both Dem candidates got more votes than the Repig.

(gloat, gloat)

[freddie mertz]

265. Are you hoping he will lose?

I supported Sestak but would have gone over to Specter if he won it.

You on the same page?

Do you vote in PA?

[treestar]

270. I want him to win and would have wanted Spector had he won this

I would like the Democrat to win, naturally.

It was BS to claim I wanted anyone to win that election - my point was different. The other poster was just being nasty and hoping that I was "hurting." (which is what I usually hear from right wingers - no people calling themselves "liberals.").

[freddie mertz]

271. Thanks for making that clear. nt.

[saracat]

231. It is hilarious how some are spinning the Specter loss as an Obama win!

[laughingliberal]

234. We need Dramamine before some of those posts. Lol. nt

[robinblue]

255. :-)

[freddie mertz]

267. LOL x 100000!

They make me dizzy with all their spinning! :crazy:

[pleah]

239. K & R ! ! ! ! !

[randr]

241. It all started with Obama

He called for change and we started by getting rid of Bush/Cheney/McCain.
Now we need to get rid of the bluedogs and put in progressives where ever posible.
The opposition has the same plan buy they are still only 30% of Americans.

[Radical Activist]

242. People are angry that the Senate didn't pass the agenda we voted for in 2008.

It's amazing that media pundits can't bring themselves to say the obvious.

[Greyhound]

249. People are angry that the Democrats didn't even try. They are angry that

"their representatives" have become so blatantly slavish to corporate donors and did exactly the opposite of what they were sent to do.

And some still remember that these are the people that literally gifted this nation's future to a financial cartel's extortion despite over 70% of The People telling them "NO!".

[Usrename]

246. Much less Republican hand-holding.

:puke:

[Dinger]

251. Rec #v 343, YES WE CAN!

[WillyT]

253. LOL !!! - Ya Think ??? - K & R !!!

:rofl:

:yourock:

:hi:

:kick:

[merkins]

254. F the 3rd Way K&R!

[robinblue]

256. Spot on.

[howaboutme]

258. Politicians aren't about you and I

They are about they and them. The first qualification to being in the in-crowd is an "ivy league diploma", an Ivy League networked base, and a pedigree and family that has power and wealth and often a NYC heritage.

Anything else represents the proletariat. Our role as average Americans is more about keeping "them" in power than being a part of an egalitarian system.

[BrklynLiberal]

260. I can sure vouch for the one who lives in my house!! That is me, of course :D

[skeptical cynic]

263. We're reaching a critical point where the pain outweighs the promises

The cost of capitalism, spreading steadily both above and below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, is just a metaphor for the bigger problem.

It all adds up.

[Swamp Rat]

264. kick

[LWolf]

266. Some of us are, anyway. nt