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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:33 PM
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Get real: We went to WAR(s) at the behest of Big Oil
Our government is Big Oil's prison bitch. (excuse my french)

from way back, when there was a Shah in Iran, Big Oil has been directing our government policy in the world.

so, get real, there is no way the dog is going to bite it's owner. Big Oil will not have to pay for the oil spill, anymore than they had to pay for Iraq.
Oh sure, remember, they LIED to us and said oil revenues would foot the bill for the Iraq invasion, but that never happened.

Always the taxpayer, always us, have always funded big oil's wet dreams.

It doesn't matter who is currently president, or how "angry" they tone their speeches... we are owned by big oil and there is no way they are ever really going to get into any trouble of any consequence once this is all said and done.


gulf sea life, and in fact the entire environment is nothing to these guys.


sorry, but it had to be said. Its unfortunate, but its true. All the terrorism, all the wars and all the coups in the last half century at least can be traced back to Big Oil interests or reactions to the hegemony of Big Oil interests.

The ONLY way we can stop this stranglehold is to eliminate COMPLETELY the need for oil.
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CreatureFeature Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:39 PM
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1. There were other reasons and other factions that propelled us into Iraq.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:44 PM
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2. I disagree.
look up cheney's secret energy meeting,
look up how the oil rights were divvied up between american and british oil interests BEFORE we invaded Iraq.

There were no WMDS, Iraq was a war for oil.

so I categorically disagree with you. If you have an actual list of reasons, I'll be happy to attempt to refute them.

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CreatureFeature Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:50 PM
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4. Saddam didn't have WMD's in the classic sense
but he was paying suicide bombers to attack Israel. That was a major reason that we went into to destroy his regime and kill him.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:52 PM
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5. That was another of several fig leaves offered...
...but the war was a foregone conclusion once */Cheney took office.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 01:54 PM
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14. So why do/did we not attack Saudi Arabia who fosters al Qaeda whose major
Edited on Sun May-16-10 01:54 PM by patrice
grievance is U.S. support for Israeli genocide against the Palestinians?

Or, somewhat less improbable, why didn't we do a better job of going after al Qaeda in Afghanistan when we had the advantage there, in order to protect Israel from their terrorist boot camps?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 02:00 PM
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15. P.S. Iraq would not have been providing scholarships to Terrorists for bootcamps in Afghanistan
that weren't there and it was more probable that the same would have been true of Pakistan if we had handled Afghanistan right.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 02:01 PM
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16. No. The Bush cabal didn't give two shits about Israel.
Edited on Sun May-16-10 02:03 PM by Ikonoklast
The smell of the oil in the unexploited western reaches of Iraq is what propelled the invasion.

There are *trillions* of dollars worth of reserves there, and no way were they going let Saddam keep that.


We have people going around the globe finding resources we need, buying off the friendly local politicians for access and control, or portaying those politicians that won't play ball as 'the enemy', killing them off and invading their countries to secure those resources.

It is the reason the CIA stays in business; that is now their primary job, to keep the single biggest user of refined petroleum products on this planet, the Defense Department, in oil.

If your country has no resources that this country deems 'vital', we don't care what you do.

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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:10 PM
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27. That's what an essential, yet declining, resource gets you. Funny thing about oil...
it's a finite resource. Once burned, it's gone.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:42 PM
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20. What do like on your Tombstone, Freeper?
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 01:01 PM
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8. Bullshit (n/t)
Edited on Sun May-16-10 01:02 PM by whatchamacallit
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 01:02 PM
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9. Two reasons : Oil and an the Military Industrial complex
The war made both of them very very happy.

One more reason would be that being at war allowed Cheney/Bush to claim greater legal power.
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 01:31 PM
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10. Sorry!
"Big Oil" pushed us into the Kuwaiti Persian Gulf War, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

My predictions--

  • Afghanistan is the "Graveyard of Empires" - and we will be no different.
  • When any one of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and/or Uzbekistan explodes -- we will be there committing American lives and fortunes to protect "OUR" oil.


"Big Oil" has more power in our government then Big Banks, Big Autos, and Big Health Insurance put together.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 01:51 PM
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13. Ask any OIF Veteran, they will tell you the one thing they were there to protect
was OIL. Common knowlege among them. If they tell you any differently, they are fearful of repercussions for telling.
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gimama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:48 PM
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3. Hey! Don't make me..
write a strongly-worded letter to YOU!

YOU called it. YOU are exactly right.
Thank YOU for saying it.

got an extra flame-retardant suit I can borrow? :(
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:52 PM
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6. BP was very upset when they got kicked out of Iraq. I have little doubt they
pressured Tony Blair into joining bush's criminal enterprise. They wanted back in Iraq. They recently won a $500 million contract in Iraq. Mission accomplished.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 12:55 PM
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7. Yes we did
It was obviously so from the beginning. The peace marches all over the world had plenty of signs decrying the oil purpose of the war in Iraq before it started. It was obvious. This isn't a new revelation.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 01:36 PM
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11. Considering that most of the ME would be a forgotten backwater without oil...
I think you're right.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 01:45 PM
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12. ". . . nothing to these guys" We must get used to the FACT that there are people who are planning on
their money saving them from whatever environmental crises that will occur.

They are betting that environmental crises will not be so big as to make it impossible for them to buy their way out of it AND at least some of them regard environmental crises as an effective form of CULLING the herd down to a size that will be more cooperative with their economic dominance and, incidentally, less stressful to Earth's climate.

They're betting on a new Biological Age with far less competition for valuable resources and far more political power.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 02:07 PM
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17. You know, when a person that helped do this, was an eyewitness to many of the most heinous offenses
committed by our government at the behest of corporate parasites, attended the meetings where the crimes were planned, and then spent 30 years making it all happen, then writes a book laying it all out including the who what when where and why, to continue to pretend that it just isn't so is beyond ignorant moving into the realm of completely delusional.

Yet, here we are, still pretending...




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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 02:39 PM
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18. Eliminate the need for oil?
I'm trying my best, but the establishment and its captive cultured don't make it real easy. Where are the alternative choices and encouragement to oil burning and bloody wars? China?

I got my solar panels and electric car and the last meat I ate was in 1971. It is our choice what we want to support, or at least it we should have some options.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:22 PM
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19. Who uses oil in this country and is every one willing to stop using oil or any pruducts made with it
I doubt it - which makes all the end users guilty
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:54 PM
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23. Challenge: I'll give up my car if you will.
I will drive my car (which makes 30+ mpg) to a salvage yard and JUNK IT, if you will do the same with your car.

Let's do it!

I'll ride my bike to work from now on. How about you?

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:43 PM
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21. Democracy is an illusion, the Multinational Parasites control the goverments of the world.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:47 PM
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22. True that. +1
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:56 PM
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24. We have entered an era of declining oil production. That's all anyone needs
to know to understand what is going on in this world. There's one word that sums up the situation:

Desperation.

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 05:58 PM
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25. K&R great point N/T
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:08 PM
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26. "Our government is Big Oil's prison bitch. "
"It doesn't matter who is currently president, or how "angry" they tone their speeches... we are owned by big oil..."

We are doomed.


"The ONLY way we can stop this stranglehold is to eliminate COMPLETELY the need for oil."


How?




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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:34 PM
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28. Locking
The term "prison bitch" is offensive and homophobic. Please feel free to repost this without that term.

Thanks,

cbayer
DU Moderator
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