Latest birther tactic: Obama SS#

[fl_dem]

a republican coworker just asked me if I had heard about President Obama's having a CT SS# and stated how it helps prove the birther theory becuase Obama has never lived or worked in CT and that he has used different SS#'s in his lifetime.

I'm wondering if any of you heard of this?

[YOY]

1. Funtional anti-birther tactic since the start: Ignoring them.

n.t.

[fl_dem]

4. which is what I pretty much did

I guess I was just looking for some info for a comeback. I do like to put them in their place, but had no info on this particular tactic.

[YOY]

11. Might I recommend a simple Christopher Meloni head nod?

You know Law and Order: SVU? The end of every other episode with Benson and Stabler as central investigating characters.

When some weird shit comes into play and a perp is talking crazy...he just king of squints his eyes and nods his head slowly as is saying "It's all coming together and I get it: You are some serious damaged goods, Homefry." A nonoffensive gesture that really communicates things perfectly.

[fl_dem]

14. I like your recommendation..will try it!

[fizzgig]

59. that's a perfect summation of the look he gets

:rofl:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

74. ROFLOL!!!

That is a perfect description of that look! Oh man, I wish they had a gif of that.

I love my smutty Law and Order SVU...

[YOY]

76. If I knew how to create gifs...

Continual Meloni Nod with the text "It's all coming together now...you're fucking crazy."

[monmouth]

93. He could nod my way any damn time. Cute Italian boys....sigh...n/t

[YOY]

99. Like cute Italian boys?

Hey now! How you doin'?

[monmouth]

100. Haha, and I'm a Jersey Girl. That rings soooo true I can hear you say that..LOL...n/t

[YOY]

102. Being a midwestern Italian American I have no such accent. Sorry!

I feel for my homies in NJ.

[Ohio Joe]

98. heh, perfect

Christopher Meloni rocks!

[mdmc]

94. the perfect retort

The GOP left the country is such sad shape that America prefered a coke sniffing, pot smoking, African born black muslim with the middle name Hussain, that pals around with terrorists, over the Republican alternative.

[alfredo]

97. If he got his card before1973 it would have no zip as prefix.

My first three do not match the current method because in was issued in the sixties.

[marmar]

2. This post has a "some say" feel to it......

nt

[lolly]

9. Yep.

This site has been getting a lot of those "gee, guys, I don't know what to think about this damning new evidence my coworker just gave me about Obama/abortion=black genocide/etc"

Besides, what is wrong with a Connecticut Social Security #? And what makes it a "Connecticut SSN"--?

Is Connecticut now considered not American enough?

And the purveyors of this latest goofiness apparently don't realize that, until putting children's SSNs on tax returns became mandatory (sometime in the 80s), most people didn't bother to get SSNs until they got their first job. Then they could either come in to a district office and get a card, or mail off to a central office to get one.

[tabbycat31]

25. CT SSN

The first 3 digits of your SSN tell where it is located. For example looking at the first 3 digits of mine, you could tell it was issued in NY. My parents both had theirs issued in PA and they're higher numbers (mine starts with 0, theirs 1).

A # issued in CT would start with 040-049

Here's a breakdown of how to tell where a SSN was issued by state

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

[old mark]

66. How would anyone even know Obama's SSAN? It's not supposed to be public knowledge,

and not supposed to be used for identification purposes.



mark

[librechik]

67. that was my first response--anyone with that number is a potential ID thief

Tell the Secret Service, please!

[Crabby Appleton]

96. maybe here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x298390

[havocmom]

30. Got that same feeling (n/t)

[monmouth]

3. Ummmmm, no....n/t

[struggle4progress]

88. But ... but ... Orly said he was using 16 different SS numbers! And when Orly

says stuff like that, she gets sanctioned by the courts! Think about it! Isn't that EXACTLY what you would expect to happen if a bunch of extraterrestrials had taken over our courts and sucked the souls out of the judges?

[Mz Pip]

5. That's stupid

There is no such thing as a CT SS#. Social security numbers are issued by the Federal Government not by the states.

The stupid never stops.

[Donnachaidh]

10. hate to differ, but there ARE CT SS numbers.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/social-security-number2.htm

Check it out -- first three numbers are the state.

[SargeUNN]

13. well that isn't so reliable in all cases

My social security number is from Mississippi but I was born in New Orleans Louisiana. Back when I got my social security number I had to apply for it and it didn't come at birth.

[lolly]

16. And there are/were different ways of obtaining one

With my first 2 children, I applied at a home office nearby. They both have the prefix associated with my area. It's the same as their father's, and he obtained his in the 70s at a local office.

With my last two, I sent off the documentation in the mail, and received SSNs for them with entirely different prefixes. Annoying, because it made it harder for me to memorize them.

[Donnachaidh]

26. there are prefix ranges for areas

I'm not trying to argue, but most areas have ranges of prefixes designated. If the number is not *exactly* the same as your husband's, they still may be in the range for the area where you lived.

[lolly]

95. Looks like number ranges were added

From the chart you posted, it looks instead like a new set of numbers was added to my state at some point, since there are two completely different ranges of prefixes. So the 2nd batch of kids must have gotten the new number.

[fl_dem]

19. did you live in mississippi when you applied for the card?

I was born in TX but applied for a SS card while living in OK, so my first 3 digits are designated OK SS#'s. What the coworker was implying is that Obama never lived or worked in CT, therefore has no logical reason to have a CT ss#.
I was just looking for information or a reasonable comeback to shut him up...

[Donnachaidh]

20. you applied for it in Mississippi yes?

In the past it didn't get issued from the place of birth. It's explained at the link I posted.

[proudohioan]

28. The first 3 digits are according to the state it was issued in.....

not necessarily where you were born. As someone else pointed out, SS#'s weren't automatically issued at birth until the 80's. Prior to that, we applied for one in the state we lived in, usually when we got our first job. Hence, I was born in Ohio, grew up in NY, but have a Colorado prefix for my SS#. My kids were all born in late 80's and early 90's, and the have a Colorado prefix.

[havocmom]

33. Can one go into ANY SS office to get their card?

It's a FEDERAL agency. I doubt one has to go to a specific office for any reason.

Yes, #s issued with prefix of what state it was done in, but I think we are allowed to travel and enter federal SS offices anywhere.

[CakeGrrl]

58. That doesn't work in all cases, including mine

I was born in Alaska, and the first three digits of my SSN are not in that range.

[Mz Pip]

60. Learn something new everyday.

I don't think I knew that.

If course a SS number issued in CT doens't prove anything, even if it's true.

SS#s aren't public record, as far as I know so how could someone just get aholdof Obama's SS#. Saying you have it doesm't make ti true.

[Donnachaidh]

6. if it is, it's even lamer than the birth certificate nonsense

He certainly could have a SS from CT -- it depends on WHEN he applied for it.

It's only recently that the government has required parents to apply for SS numbers for newborns. I myself didn't apply for a SS until I was in my teens, because I had found a job and needed it, and I'm sure many here had the same situation.

If his family was moving around, and he was in CT at the time, it would be no big deal for him to apply for it there. Totally legal, too.

So your coworker is talking out of his ass about a subject he's obviously not familiar with. Tell him he'd better find something else to obsess about -- this is a total non-starter.

BTW, I'm very familiar with this subject because I do family research and have used SS numbers to find information on ancestors.

[Arkansas Granny]

12. What you say about applying for SS numbers is right. I think I applied for a SSN

after I got out of high school.

[proudohioan]

32. Just curious....

Speaking of SS#'s and family history, have you ever requested the original copy of SS application for any ancestors?

I never have (just too broke to justify paying the $27.00 lately), but I've always been interested to find out if anyone had done so, and if the information was useful?

:)

[pipi_k]

44. I did, for a grandfather or great grandfather...

I was looking for his mother's maiden name and there it was. :)

[proudohioan]

49. Glad to hear it, thanks for the info.....

That's what I'm looking for, too; great grandfathers mothers maiden name.

Isn't it exciting when you finally come across that information?

:hi:

[City Lights]

7. I hadn't heard that one.

:eyes:

How big of a loser must one be to sit around all day making up lies about Democrats and then spreading them on the Internet? I'm starting to think this is actually a paid job in many conservative "think tanks."

[Scout]

8. i heard it on facebook n/t

[Demoiselle]

15. I have a Vermont Social Security number...

Got it with my first job as a summer camp counselor.
I was born in North Dakota, went to college in Massachusetts and have lived my whole life in Pennsylvania.
Perhaps you should view me with suspicion.

[fl_dem]

21. I too could be viewed with suspicion

as I was born in TX but have first 3 digits of SS# designated from OK, as thats where i lived when I applied for my card....like i said above, i was just looking for debunking info.

[Donnachaidh]

22. the camp was in Vermont?

And you applied for it there?

[havocmom]

34. Some of us are SO old, we didn't have to apply until we got paying jobs

And so, yeah, I accept that poster's recollection.

[Donnachaidh]

41. I'm one of those old farts too.

Put in for mine for a nurse's aide job when I was in my teens.

[fl_dem]

53. Me too...I got mine when I was 14

going to work at a local Dairy Queen. Man, I miss those butterscotch dilly bars!

[pipi_k]

71. I was 14 also when I got mine

back when dinosaurs roamed the earth with biblical figures.


:7

[LibertyLover]

77. Same here - applied for it when I applied for my first after-school job

I was born in New York, but was living in New Jersey when I got my number, so my prefix is for New Jersey.

[Demoiselle]

45. Yes.

[LynneSin]

27. Damnit, I just knew you were one of dem der stinkin' tarraists

:rofl:

[kestrel91316]

17. I've heard that you and your friends have each had several SS#s.

Prove to me you haven't.

[fl_dem]

24. I will use that on said coworker. thanks. n/t

[havocmom]

37. Bless you! You have given us the exact tool to deal with this crap

And it's a safe bet this crap will be seen more and more for a while. Talking points are like that ;)

[Renew Deal]

18. What is a Connecticut SS#?

Since when were people given numbers by state? :shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

23. the first three digits designate where the card was issued.

If the application was put in in Connecticut, it will be a CT SS number.

[MajorChode]

29. The Social Security Administration says it's bullshit

Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

[fl_dem]

36. Thank you MajorChode

I just emailed my coworker the above information and link! :hi:

[MajorChode]

62. I doubt it will do much good

I know a few wingnuts who email me this kind of chain mail bullshit and even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, they still believe what they want to believe. When you're talking to 5 year olds, you can kind of understand why they refuse to believe things they don't want to hear. When adults exhibit this kind of behavior, it makes you wonder if their mothers imbibed heavily during their gestation.

[fl_dem]

80. surprisingly enough

he agreed that the rumors were BS. Of course when I emailed that info and link to him, I pointed out the reputable source vs his biased "opinion" radio program...and reminded him to not believe everything he thinks. :)

[MajorChode]

91. I'm willing to bet you'll get sent some other BS soon from the same source

Who knows, maybe your friend is different, but what I've found with these people is no matter how many times their sources are proved full of shit, they keep coming back to them. So it still boils down to they are fully willing to believe anything so long as it fits into their warped ideology.

[WeDidIt]

31. Made up Birther bullshit straight from Orly Taitz batshit crazy dossiers

It's nothing. she's got some Birfers convinced Obama has dozens of SSNs.

It's all a fucking lie, World Nut Daily has started to run with it and the Birfers are Google bombing it.

[havocmom]

38. 'bullshit straight from Orly Taitz batshit crazy dossiers' New show created by Chris Carter?

That gentleman is SO good at finding ways to bring the bizarre and strange to TV. I LOVE his work.

[jakeXT]

35. Do you really need a SS number to work?

"The investigators believe Obama needs to explain why he is using a Social Security number reserved for Connecticut applicants that was issued at a date later than he is known to have held employment. "

[kestrel91316]

87. Presumes a number of facts not in evidence. But you knew as much, right?

[Vinca]

39. OMG - I just googled about this and it seems there is an entire

cottage industry around Obama social security numbers, the nuttiest theory being he's using a dead person's SS#.

[Donnachaidh]

42. oh fer christ's sake -- these people are nuts.... n/t

[sakabatou]

40. "Hey! It's time to move the goalposts again!

[cbdo2007]

43. I heard his SSN was actually issued on Venus so he's really not even from Earth!!!

Oh man, the media is going to flip out about this one!!!

[WeDidIt]

46. YOU LIE!!

It was issued on Krypton and signed by his father, Jor-el!!!

[cbdo2007]

50. Wait - you mean he's using two interplanetary SSN?!?! Holy mackeral....

this explosive news bombshell is taking on a life of it's own!! ha ha

[EOTE]

47. Did you ask him how he got the President's Social Security number?

Because he'd obviously need it to make this bullshit claim. If he can't tell you how he got the SS#, he hasn't a leg to stand on.

[LeftinOH]

48. His SS# is 666-66-6666.. at least that's what I heard. n/t

[Toucano]

68. Some say. n-t

[SPedigrees]

51. I wonder if this is a ploy

to try to find out President Obama's actual SS number and then cause him trouble by screwing with his identity (as identity thieves do.) It is unlikely that Obama, or anyone for that matter, would disclose their social security number to the public, anymore than one would disclose their pin number.

[sinkingfeeling]

52. How does he know Obama's SSN?

[DevonRex]

55. That's what I've been wondering. To me that question is so obvious

that I thought I must be missing something here - as if everybody else on earth somehow already knew his SSN but me.

[fl_dem]

56. he heard the story on a right wing radio station and

had to come share it with me knowing that I am a democrat.....another DU'er said she googled it asnd there were a lot of stories about this so maybe one of them has more details than he shared with me.

[and-justice-for-all]

54. What delusional garbage....nt

[fl_dem]

57. I concur and LOVE Grayson!!!

[Robeson]

61. It's well known he was created in a test-tube in Moscow...

...and taught by Maoist Chinese. These are ESTABLISHED facts!

[ladywnch]

63. at one point one of these clowns (orly I think) said Obama

had used the SS# of some guy who has been dead for some number of years - and if you did the math (which explains why these idiots make such dumb statements - they can't do simple math) you'd see that this guy would have been issued a number about 40 years before SS ever existed.

they can't even keep their lunatic rantings straight.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

64. I demand to know Obama's SSN and Credit Card Numbers! Or else he's not an American Citizen!

[libodem]

65. This is the

Lewinski of the Obama administration, just a new angle to torment and undermine the Democratic President, by the Koch Brother industries and the RNC.

[DCBob]

69. If he had SSN issued by Kenya... now that would be a story!

Try again.

[old mark]

70. They send you dried fish and coconuts every month. nt

[WolverineDG]

72. Here's something from wiki

Since 1973, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, neither prior to 1973, nor since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number

This makes sense to me because my dad worked for SSA & for some reason around this time, he got SSNs for my brothers & I even though we were nowhere near the age of 16 & obviously not looking for jobs. :) He picked our numbers himself. For the longest time, I was the only kid in my class who had a SSN. Not sure why he was so bent out of shape over this change. He told us why, but pfft, I was in 2nd or 3rd grade, what did I care? ;)

dg

[joeybee12]

73. The proper response to your co-worker is, "You are a worthless, ignorant, brain-dead

sub-human piece of lint. I'm not wasting any time with someone who is not only capable of reason, but even of human thought."

[LibertyLover]

75. I got an e-mail from a "friend" that claimed

"researchers" had turned up a whole lot of SS numbers for President Obama. I think the number quoted was 80 or so. Of course all of them were really for other people, in other states, etc. I don't recall what the whole steaming pile of garbage said but I believe it also mentioned "irregularities" with Mrs. Obama's SS number.

[DCBob]

78. What about Larry Sinclair and the "affair" in the limo? How should I respond to that one?

Just looking for some debunking info. Thanks!

[fl_dem]

81. wow.....really?

Someone claiming a sordid dalliance with a public figure is apples to oranges with someone claiming fraudulent use of a federally issued ID document. In the above post the issuance of SS#’s were intelligently debated and it now makes sense that IF President Obama has a CT SS# there are very valid reasons as to why.
However there is no explanation to your snarky post other than some guy named Larry had a wild time or a wild imagination.

[DCBob]

82. Are you really this clueless or just pretending?

If you are serious then I am sorry there is no hope for you. You will be forever confused and conflicted over even the slightest of exaggerations.

[fl_dem]

83. Are you really this pompous or are you just practicing...

for the day you can try it out in person instead of the keyboard..
:shrug:

[DCBob]

84. Now you are ready to rumble..

LOL!! Get lost loser.

[fl_dem]

85. Peace?

I mean no harm O8)

[DCBob]

86. Sure, peace is good.

:pals:.. but I still think you "may" be clueless.

[fl_dem]

90. good...........though I consider myself more oblivious

to the obvious than clueless, as I am damn observant of subtleties and a clueless person would not pick up on such nuances. :toast:

[Canuckistanian]

79. Birthers don't have 'tactics'. They have brainfarts.

And America has to live with the smell.

[Warren Stupidity]

89. I heard that he and Michelle are not really married and that they rented the kids.

Most likely the kids were rented from the same outfit that provided the boys for George Alan Rekers. I couldn't disprove any of this, so it must be true.

[mulsh]

92. SS is a federal program since when have states issued SS#'s?

I'm in CA but my ss# was issued by the Dept of Social Security, I dropped the application off at the old Berkeley, CA office but the card, which I still carry, was issued by the feds.

My tactic with birthers is to ask them to "hold that thought" then walk away and not return. maybe you should try it.

[RagAss]

101. Your coworker has a skull full of Methane. Don't light a match near him.

[Iggo]

103. A fellow DUer brought this up out of nowhere.

Oh, wait...

[hughee99]

104. Who cares if is was born in the US or not.

For the record, he was. I don't think that he wasn't, but in the end, why should the geographical location of one's birth preclude anyone who can get elected from being president anyway?