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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:43 AM
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Police: Utah man beat boy to death, disfigured him
May 13, 3:35 AM EDT
Police: Utah man beat boy to death, disfigured him
By PAUL FOY and JENNIFER DOBNER
Associated Press Writers

http://hosted.ap.org.nyud.net:8090/photos/F/f7e891ac-b7eb-4e4c-96ca-8e8ff312f422-big.jpg

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- The Utah man held in the slaying of his 4-year-old stepson beat him for days before the boy died, then used a hammer to disfigure his face and teeth before burying his body in the mountains, according to police records released late Wednesday.

The body of Ethan Stacy, wrapped in plastic, was unearthed by police Tuesday.

Interview summaries filed by Layton police detectives documented increasingly harsh treatment of the boy during his short time in Utah. A Virginia judge had sent the boy to Layton for a summer visit with his mother just 10 days before his death, police said.

Investigators said they obtained photographs and video images of Ethan's worsening condition from his mother's cell phone, starting more than a week ago.

More:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MISSING_BOY_UTAH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-05-12-22-39-24
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:45 AM
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1. WTF?
and mom just stood by....

I just cant comprehend the amount of crazy this sort of stuff takes.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:47 AM
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2. She's just as guilty.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 02:55 AM
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3. Absolutely
she didn't just stand by she documented it. How in the world could you do this to your child. I just cant even begin to wrap my brain around it.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:38 AM
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23. Possibly because she was a victim herself.
Stephanie Sloop told police she sought no medical attention for Ethan because she was afraid Nathanael Sloop "would harm her," Detective Brooke Plotnick wrote.

I wonder if authorities could have been called in secret. Then maybe the boy would have been saved from this waste of life.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:50 AM
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29. And yet she married him--that same day he beat the shit out of her kid.
No sympathy here. I hope she rots in jail.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:24 AM
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34. That's a lame excuse. Most mothers would risk that harm if their child was at risk.
She deserves the same fate as the murderer.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:29 AM
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15. Sick - no words nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:18 AM
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32. Normal mothers (and dads) would die for their child. This mom says she let her child die
so SHE wouldn't be harmed. And I don't even believe that. She gave her new husband lighter fluid to burn her son's body. She documented the abuse in pictures.

This is as close to hate as I have ever felt.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:25 AM
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35. Yes. She is as guilty as he is, IMO.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:04 AM
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45. Afraid of losing her man?
Some folks are afraid of not having a partner.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:03 AM
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4. Red state
Edited on Thu May-13-10 03:05 AM by rawtribe
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:50 AM
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6. Right. Because this could never, ever happen in a blue state.
Edited on Thu May-13-10 03:56 AM by Drunken Irishman
C'mon now. Let's not make this blue state/red state. It's a horrible, tragic event that has nothing to do with politics.

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:50 AM
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18. And yet... it sure seems that way.
Don't it?

:shrug:
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:48 AM
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42. You really don't think Neanderthal males kill off their non-biological kids like animals in blue
states? I can find them. I assure you. Famous cases even.

It's probably comforting - but really stupid - to think this is a "red state" problem.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:41 AM
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24. FFS...are shitting me with this?
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-10 12:42 AM
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54. Westley Allen Dodd was in Washington State
the bluest of the blue. Do you think it's fair to blame him on liberal atheists?
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 03:43 AM
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5. what an ugly creature he is... I would HOPE they lock him up forever & throw away the key. The mom
should get life too, if the pics were done for 'entertainment' for these two. If she was simply scared and didn't have the brains to know what to do, then that's different. I don't want to know what her deal was, because I couldn't take pics of it, I'd be too busy calling the cops on him after the 1st beating (which makes it look like she did the pics for their own kicks, sick devils)
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:30 AM
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7. Here is their wedding website...
Edited on Thu May-13-10 04:33 AM by Drunken Irishman
http://weddings.theknot.com/pwp/pwp2/view/MemberPage.aspx?coupleid=5526012639731774&pid=8111236&MsdVisit=1

I don't know how long it will stay up, so I'll copy & paste what they wrote about each other:

About the bride

I have known Stephanie since I was 15 yeras old. However all throughout highschool her and I never dated, but knew all about each other. Then Just a few years ago as I was going through the deepest, darkest part of my life dealing with My child being kidnapped and being in the middle of a vicious divorce, I began receiving these encouraging emails that had impeccable timing. That was My Steph sending me an encouraging word just when I was at my lowest.

On October 8th I sent her an email and saw she lived in Vegas. 7 hours south of me. What are the odds!! We spoke nonstop for the next 24 hours as we began to book her a flight to come up and see me. Now the important thing to know is that I was All done with the so called 'Dating Game'. What a joke of a world we live in. The more Genuine You are in todays world the more that people dont want to date you. So all of a Sudden I found myself talking to a woman who was a "take me or leave me-this is who I am" kind of woman. Thats exactly the kind of man I am and I thought well this either is a Match made in Heaven or it will never work. Well as the Next 24 hours proved conclusively it was a "Match made in Heaven"

She showed up 24 hours after our first phone call and with no make up and dressed casual, She was the Most Beautiful Woman I have ever laid eyes on. I took a picture of her before she saw me and she was looking like she used to look while watching me at the lacrosse games. Trying to guess which way I was coming from. She was SO Cute!! Beautiful purple scraf around her neck, hair pulled back and as I walked up behind her she smelled Amazing!! She turned and instantly she turned beet red!! I Embraced her with a huge hug and Kissed her right there for the Very First Time!! Wow! What an Amazing Kisser!!!

Even though I never thought I would find the Woman of my dreams, I all of a sudden found Myself Kissing the Woman of my dreams in the Salt Lake City Airport!!! I couldn't wait to hold her hand and get her bags loaded into My truck. I Knew Right then and there "She was the ONE" Truly LOVE at First sight!! We immediately began to treat each other like we had been together for years. Ive never felt more comfortable with a woman. She is Incredibly Intelligent, a fast thinker, a brilliant sense of humor, a Loving Nurturing Woman through and through, and to Top it All off she Is Drop Dead Gorgeous!!

Truly, Steph brings more to the table than all the women I have ever known if You put them All together. I would have never been so audacious to Ask God for someone so special. She not only fills every Gap I have but She even completes parts of me that I never knew needed to made complete. She is an Amazing conversationalist and I love just talking with her for hours and hours. She is not challenged by my fast thinking brain but rather she keeps up and then some. She Cooks like a master Chef, loves the same kind of movies I do, and instead of provoking my Bad Boy side, she respects it. She doesnt try and provoke me to protect her but rather she Loves me in ways I couldnt even ask her to do. She gets right under my armor and gets right to the little boy in me and by doing so she makes Every Part of Me wanna be a better Man!!

Steph is the Most Special, Loving, Nurturing, Tough, Caring, Fun, Exciting Woman I have ever Met in Real life or in My Dreams!! I am SO IN LOVE With HER!! I am So Honored to be Her Man!! When July 4th, 2010 comes I will consider myself the luckiest Man inthe History of All civilization. I Will Finally Be Married to My SoulMate!! My Lover!! My Best Friend!! Since we have been together we have never spent one day away from each other. If I have it My way we never willl either!! Whether we are going to get Dressed up Nice and go out for sushi (Our Favorite) or we are staying home and she makes me her special cinnamon enchiladas, I never am as happy as when I am around My beloved Steph!! She is supportive when the world is crashing down around me, and has My back when no one else will. She nurtures Me and sees right though My tough guy shield and loves on that Big Heart that nobody has been shown!!
I could Go on for Days and Days and thats why I am Honored to Be Marrying this Amazing Woman!! She is the Most treasured, Special , Amazing person that has EVER Entered My Life!! I Would Do Anything for her. Fight for Her. Kill for Her. Live for Her!! Die for Her!! She is my Nurturing Angel and Ill never let go, because every moment with her makes me a better person!! Thank You God Above for bringing her into My Life!! I'll Always be there for her no matter Rich or poor. Going through the worst of times or the Best of times! Steph is Finally the Partner that I never even thought existed. I love You, Stephanie. I Truly am In Love with YOU!!!




About the groom



I first met Nathan in 1995. I was 12 years old, and he was actually with my best friends sister at the time. He was 4 years older than me, so we didnt go to high school together.

Nathan changed me, though many think that's not possible. Nathan made me realize that for years I was writing checks my ego couldn't cash. We all have egos, some under control, some aren't. Though mine wasn't completely out of whack, it did need adjustments. Nathan showed me how to filter what I say and do, do what I say, and say what I mean, as your WORD is all you have in this world. Being together, we've both brought so much to the table. For starters, we began with full disclosure so that way our ex's couldn't try and use things against us. Its proven to make our relationship even stronger. Nathan has taught me so much, taken care of me, and been the man of my dreams. We share the same blood type, had the same surgeries as children, and most of all, we've taken the time to understand eafh other. The underlyings of that are between Nathan and I, but we have taken the time to understand each other, and that's what makes us so perfect together: we clearly communicate, as you should in a relationship. He tells me when I mess up, and helps correct me when I'm wrong. That's what a relationship is. Growing together, and helping each other. I couldn't imagine another day without him. It was truly love at first sight. I couldn't be happier with a better man. Someone else's garbage is now my treasure.

In the time we've been together, he has saved my life twice, without it having been in danger for provoking his bad side. I became pregnant in December, and with twins. I had began to bleed, and we went to the hospital to find out what was wrong, as I had severe abdominal pain, and bleeding. I had a cyst on my left ovary the size of a golf ball, filled with blood. I had twins trapped in the fallopian tubes, and a blot clot in my uterus. A surgery that was supposed to last one hour turned into 2 1/2. The doctor came out after my surgery and said if I had waited another 12 hours, I wouldnt have been alive. The second time, I went into a diabetic shock, and I was going to walk out our side door, and passed out in the process. Had Nathan not caught me, I would fallen flat on my face and possibly had broken my neck.

The more I think about all of this, had I not been with Nathan, and back in Vegas, or even in Florida, I would've had no idea that I was going to die. Even though I lost the babies we planned to have, it saved my life. You can always have more children, but Nathan couldn't replace me. He was the man I was meant to be with, and fills every gap in my heart. I can't tell him enough every day how much he means to me, and how funny it is that God was taunting us when we met all those years ago, and here we are, 15 years later, and all this time we were meant to be together, God just was waiting for the right time. I couldn't be happier or more appreciative of the great man God has given me. Though I loved my ex, we just weren't meant to fit together like Nathan and I do. Total acceptance and love is hard to come by. It was truly love at first sight. I will love and be here for him until the end. July 4, 2010, I will become Mrs. Nathan Sloop and couldn't be prouder. I love My Nater Bean!



How we met

We met in 1995, I was 12, he was 16. We saw each other in passing, through Lacrosse games at Cypress Creek, and when at mutual friends houses', but we didnt really get to know each other until 2009. The next time we saw each other is when I flew in, October 9, 2009.



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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:42 AM
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9. Drunk on Teh Invisible Sky Daddy. Figures.
"Someone else's garbage is now my treasure." Vomit.

Guillotine. Right effing NOW.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:47 AM
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10. Wow. Not one word about her son from either of them.
These are sick people.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:50 AM
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11. July 4th, 2010? Call me Nathan but Ah DON'T think a weddin's-a gonna happen.
Why would you post a photo of you and the S.O. in bed together? Really?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:09 AM
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12. Where is that picture?
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:12 AM
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13. On the "Welcome" section.


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:15 AM
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14. Check this out from the OP
The stepfather acknowledged hitting the boy, which caused his face to swell, and leaving him in a locked bedroom May 6 while the couple went to get married in Farmington, about 10 miles away, according to the probable cause statements used to support arrest warrants and detention in jail.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:31 AM
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16. Did they also celebrate Mother's Day? grrrr nt
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:36 AM
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22. Another gem from the article.
Stephanie Sloop told police she sought no medical attention for Ethan because she was afraid Nathanael Sloop "would harm her," Detective Brooke Plotnick wrote.

Ahhhhhhh, the light is shed. Abuse all around, it appears. Piece of shit.

"Off with his head, I say, and watch the devil start kickin, run around like a chicken . . ." - Ice Cube.
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Junkie Brewster Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 06:10 AM
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20. I couldn't stand to read the whole thing
I appreciate you for posting it, but I really couldn't stand to read it- the whole thing is just too horrible.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 07:24 AM
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21. "he has saved my life twice, without it having been in danger for provoking his bad side"
that should cause an interesting line of questioning by the prosecutor.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:10 AM
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26. How he changed how she thought of herself would be, too.
Just read her section. She was obviously abused.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:54 AM
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43. I agree.
Lots of red flag language in her section of that - talking about how he helpfully "improved" all of her flaws, but you notice that he doesn't mention her "improving" any of his flaws. That's a classic abuser-victim dynamic right there. He's wonderful, she needs his help to be a better person. Also the over-the-top way in which he speaks about her and the lightning-fast attachment he claims to have had is also a red flag to me.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:13 PM
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52. All of those. I saw all of those and a few others.
She wrote a classic abused woman piece.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:14 AM
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46. When July 4th, 2010 comes I will consider myself the luckiest Man inthe History of All civilization.
Uhhhhhhhhhh I bet you DON'T.


Is there anything more dangerous than a farking moron who thinks he's Stephen Hawking?
"She is not challenged by my fast thinking brain but rather she keeps up and then some."

And talk about DANGER SIGNS


HER: "In the time we've been together, he has saved my life twice, without it having been in danger for provoking his bad side."

He tells me when I mess up, and helps correct me when I'm wrong. That's what a relationship is."




HIM: "I was going through the deepest, darkest part of my life dealing with My child being kidnapped and being in the middle of a vicious divorce" - I think it's safe to surmise that his ex was probably fleeing for her own safety and that of her child.

"She Cooks like a master Chef, loves the same kind of movies I do, and instead of provoking my Bad Boy side, she respects it. She doesnt try and provoke me to protect her "

"I Would Do Anything for her. Fight for Her. Kill for Her. "

and so he did.


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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 04:33 AM
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8. Guillotine this champion. I'm not even kidding.
You may think that's harsh, but think about it: he's going to get tortured, raped and killed in prison once it's known what he did. You can deny reality all you want, but that's what's going to happen. Guillotining him IS the humane solution. Same goes for the "mom". She's going to get it worse. Many women in prison are mothers, and also abuse victims themselves.

What's sad is that if you lined all the extreme child abusers up for an ultra-low haircut, it's not going to stop anything. The problem is mentality. They only have one beer left in the six pack up there. There ain't no cure.

Quite frankly, the sooner human shit like this is removed from the planet, the better off the planet will be. You cannot rehab people like this. It just doesn't work. They're mistakes. I know some around here don't want to hear that, but there it is.

I am SO goddamned tired of reading stories like this. I really am. It's enough to make you turn non-progressive. How can anyone DO this to a child? HOW?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:45 AM
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 05:52 AM
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19. Hard to disagree.
That monster is always going to be a monster.

As Josy Wales said, "Some folks just need killin'."
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:13 AM
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31. Whatever abuse they get in prison is less than they deserve.
Unless the inmates duplicate what these monsters did to that child.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:06 AM
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25. This is so sad.
That poor little boy.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:11 AM
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27. Bubba is waiting for you bitch!
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 01:10 PM
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51. Ah, prison rape reference. That's so funny.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 11:17 PM
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53. Ugh. The whole prison rape meme sucks ass.
Kindly refrain from even tacit encouragement of such monstrousness.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 08:46 AM
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28. Monsters.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:10 AM
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30. Good that they've both been arrested. There are just no words for these 2. nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:20 AM
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33. He didn't even want to go... he didn't even want to talk to her...
why did that judge force this on the poor child?

:cry:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:28 AM
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36. And had the mom filed suit to enforce visitation rights? That's the
part of the story that I want to know more about at the moment.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:34 AM
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38. They should check out stepdads I think.
Before forcing kids who don't even want to talk to their moms to go stay with them. That guy had a criminal past. I can't help thinking this could have been avoided. :(
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:28 AM
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37. that's what..
that's what I wonder.. why tf was he left with them? NOT to excuse them in any way, monsters like that should be put to sleep, but how was a FOUR-year-old entrusted to these people? I guess it's the "Mother's right" or whatever. But the kid didn't even want to be with them, at all, but really not for ten days.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:35 AM
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39. He was supposed to be there all summer...
it only took them 10 days to kill him.

My heart breaks for that child and his father, and anyone else who actually loved him.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:36 AM
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40. This story makes my heart bleed
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:38 AM
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41. Oh god...the hell that poor child went through n/t
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 09:56 AM
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44. I cannot comprehend!
:wtf:

:cry:

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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 10:16 AM
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47. My solution --- a prisoner swap.




Next time an Arab world country sentences a rape victim to death swap her with this POS.

Once they stone this asshole to death we give the rape victim clemency and then citizenship.

Sounds fair enough to me.



OK, sarcasm. But this SOB didn't just kill this youngster, he tortured him to death over a long period of time.

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:08 PM
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48. Yeah, great job, Virginia.
http://www.co.weber.ut.us/offender/offenderresults.php?ID=257948

Judging by the hair, this is an old mugshot. Classic. Send a 4 year old off to a negligent "mother" and her felon fiancee to get butchered. Unfuckingbelievable. Guillotine.
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:34 PM
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49. Amber Alert for little Ethan Stacy...
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-10 12:49 PM
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50. So who in Virginia was helping the mother get custody?
I think we should know who the person or persons were in Virginia who made this horrible result possible. Someone had to go to court on the mother's behalf, and it doesn't sound as if the mother had the means to hire an attorney.

Whoever it was, I hope they get all the public exposure they deserve.
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