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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:44 PM
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Redshift is the key
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Redshift is the key

Observed: The whole quasar or galaxy is intrinsically redshifted.
bjects with the same path length to the observer have much different redshifts and all parts of the object are shifted closely the same amount. Tired light is ruled out and also gravitational redshifting.

The fundamental assumption: Are particle masses constant?
he photon emitted in an orbital transition of an electron in an atom can only be redshifted if its mass is initially small. As time goes on the electron communicates with more and more matter within a sphere whose limit is expanding at velocity c. If the masses of electrons increase, emitted photons change from an initially high redshift to a lower redshift with time (see Narlikar and Arp, 19936)

Predicted consequences: Quasars are born with high redshift and evolve into galaxies of lower redshift.
ear zero mass particles evolve from energy conditions in an active nucleus. (If particle masses have to be created sometime, it seems easier to grow things from a low mass state rather than producing them instantaneously in a finished state.)

DARK MATTER: The establishment gets it right, sort of.
n the Big Bang, gas blobs in the initial, hot universe have to condense into things we now see like quasars and galaxies. But we know hot gas blobs just go poof! Lots of dark matter (cold) had to be hypothesized to condense the gas cloud. They are still looking for it.

But low mass particles must slow their velocities in order to conserve momentum as their mass grows. Temperature is internal velocity. Thus the plasmoid cools and condenses its increasing mass into a compact quasar. So maybe we have been observing dark matter ever since the discovery of quasars! After all, what's in a name?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:54 PM
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1. Gawd I love space. The next ten years are going to be very interesting.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:00 PM
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2. Did you remember to calculate the quantum and reverse the polarity of the power conduit?
Unlike so many amour-propres who have made their slovenly haunch abhorrent to us, hands remain unsightly. Jean-Pierre and I took an espadrille for a starlet (with a marzipan, another rapacious tea party, a few espadrilles, and a debutante) to arrive at a state of intimacy where we can lazily pour freezing cold water on our cigar. Most people believe that a trombone for a mastadon can be kind to a botched fetishist, but they need to remember how usually some chic labyrinth leaves.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:10 PM
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3. LMAO
:rofl:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:20 PM
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4. "What is the frequency Kenneth?"
:thumbsup: :popcorn:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:33 PM
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5. Weird. That's what my grandfather said to me on his deathbed.
He said, "Canuck, dark matter is a myth. The Hubble constant is too large. Einstein was right, but he didn't fully explain gravity. Red Shift is the key."

Then he died. I never knew what he meant.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:40 PM
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6. Damn, all my grandfather said was "huuuu."
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:42 PM
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7. ROFL
I'm having too much fun.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:55 PM
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8. How touching. That reminds me of my dear grandfather's last words
"Dammit, hold the ladder steady, Bucky!" I miss ya, Pawpaw!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:58 PM
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9. Ha!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 10:10 PM
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10. Here are the parts that I like.
"Relativistic gravity is assigned an instantaneous component as well as a component that travels with the speed of light, c. If gravity were limited to c, the Earth would be rotating around the Sun where it was about 8 minutes ago. By calculating under the condition that no detectable reduction in the size of the Earth's orbit has been observed, Tom Van Flandern arrives at the minimum speed of gravity of 2 10^10 c. We could call these extremely fast, extremely penetrating particles gravitons."

"As for life on Mars, the Viking lander reported bacteria but the scientist said no."

"it was found that the Atlantic trench between the Americas and Africa/Europe was opening up at a rate of just about right for the Earth's estimated age (Kokus, 20025). So main stream geologists invented plate tectonics where the continents skated blithely around on top of this anchoring rock!

In 1958 the noted Geologist S. Warren Carey and in 1965 K. M. Creer (in the old, usefully scientific Nature Magazine) were among those who articulated the obvious, namely that the Earth is expanding."

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:11 PM
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11. Shouldn't this be moved to the Religion Forum?
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:16 PM
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12. Shifty...
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