The Problem With Elena Kagan Is Barack Obama By Cenk Uygur

[Donnachaidh]

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Problem-With-Elena-Kag-by-Cenk-Uygur-100510-429.html

I have no idea what kind of Justice Elana Kagan is going to be, and almost no one else does either. She might be a terrific progressive or she might move the Court to the right, as some fear. My problem with her isn't her stated positions, as she doesn't have very many.

My problem with her is my problem with Obama. Cheney and Bush moved the ball 80 yards down-field, whether that was on executive power, warrantless wiretapping, pre-emptive wars or just about any other issue you can think of. And Obama's bold and brilliant response is to move the ball 10 yards in the opposite direction. Not good enough. Not remotely good enough.

His every action drips of conciliation, compromise, gradualism and incrementalism. The conservatives take miles of ideologically territory and convert it into the status quo. Then Obama brags about converting inches back. This isn't change we can believe in. This is pocket change.

So, when conservatives yelled at him about trying Gitmo detainees in civilian courts, his instinct was to back down. When they yelled at him for giving detainees Miranda rights, he is now on the verge of backing down. When they yelled at him about foreign wars, he escalated them. When they yelled at him about the $50 billion "bailout" fund in the financial reform bill, he asked to take it out. When they yelled at him about offshore oil drilling, he gave them more. How did that turn out?


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[chromotone]

1. Uh, "got link?"

:shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

8. sorry - cat jumped on laptop. n/t

[WeDidIt]

2. Duplicate thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8308705

[berni_mccoy]

3. Wow. regurgitating a failed post. Let me rephrase that: "Kagan is bad because Obama picked her"

Got it.

[Name removed]

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[HopeHoops]

4. Link?

:shrug:

[ProSense]

5. Cenk's argument is

is beyond lame.

[ihavenobias]

21. I noticed you dodged the A or B question (and creating a 'C' that doesnt' exist is lame)

We agree that the right wing is going to go nuts trying to paint Kagan as a radical leftist/socialist/communist, etc. And we know the mainstream media likes to parrot stupid right wing talking points and make it "conventional wisdom". Here are two responses:

A)-The left praises the choice of Kagan, saying she's excellent and a slam-dunk on the court.
B)-The left criticizes the choice of Kagan, saying she might be conservative and not progressive.

Forgot your personal opinion for a moment and answer this question from a politics/media perspective. Is A or B more helpful in refuting (or confirming) the right wing/MSM talking points about Kagan? Is A or B more helpful in getting Kagan in place on the court in light of the political climate in our (corporatist and conservative) Congress?

[ProSense]

23. Do you really believe this is clever enough to keep reposting?

Forgot your personal opinion for a moment and answer this question from a politics/media perspective. Is A or B more helpful in refuting (or confirming) the right wing/MSM talking points about Kagan? Is A or B more helpful in getting Kagan in place on the court in light of the political climate in our (corporatist and conservative) Congress?

So Cenk's bogus (and contradictory) views are being presented to help advance Kagan?

[ihavenobias]

25. Do you think people are stupid enough to not realize you dodged the question yet again?

Answer my direct question (A or B) OR don't bother responding.

[ProSense]

26. Do you think that makes the question anyless absurd and unclever?

You obviously are trying to walk back Cenk's idiotic diary. No I take that back, you're trying to have it both ways. Cenk writes an idiotic diary, and then sends you around to pretend that it has merit to those who call him out on it.

[ihavenobias]

27. The THIRD time you've refused to answer a direct question.

You remind me of politicians on Sunday morning talk shows. If you're not in politics, you should be!

[ProSense]

29. Where's Obama's birth certificate?

"You remind me of politicians on Sunday morning talk shows."

You remind me of the RW: ask absurd questions and demand an answer in an attempt to assign validity to the ludicrous query.

[ihavenobias]

31. Laughable Red Herring and the FOURTH time you've refused to answer...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring_%28logical_fallacy%29#Red_herring

[theFrankFactor]

40. Careful Tom Some People Cry Easily...

Especially when you pin them down.

[frylock]

33. you're the content expert in beyond lame

[Arkana]

6. So the argument against her, ONCE AGAIN, is this:

I don't like Obama, Obama picked Kagan for the Supreme Court, ergo Kagan must be horrible.

[DJ13]

7. Its all true, but you had to know this would draw snide comments

[WeDidIt]

10. We agree. It's true

Cenk Uygur admits it.

He doesn't like Obama and because Obama appointed KAgan that means he doesn't like Kagan.

Absolutely 100% true and absolutely 100% Uygur's asshat article.

[DJ13]

15. Ignore the Kagan issue for a moment

Is the rest of his criticisms that Obama is weaker than he should be against the right accurate or not?

[WeDidIt]

16. They are inaccurate

and the Uygur admits the only reason he makes the allegation is because he doesn't like Obama.

[DJ13]

19. That settles it I guess

Thanks for the well reasoned reply.

[WeDidIt]

20. No problem. n/t

[Donnachaidh]

12. of course -- you could hear the stampede seconds after it was posted. n/t

[WeDidIt]

14. It was posted yesterday

Now you're spamming it.

[eleny]

17. If something falls off the first page of a forum, it can be posted again

Just a DU thing from way back.

[Bluebear]

36. The "ignored" stampede

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. So Cenk is advocating that we become what we claimed to despise? Interesting...

For eight years I listened to "progressives" bloviate about the governing style & strongarm tactics of the Bush/Cheney administration. And now this president is skewered, on a daily basis, because he's not enough like Bush/Cheney? Makes my damned head spin. "Liberals" have lost their f***n minds.

[WeDidIt]

18. Yep

and he admits everything he's saying is because he doesn't like Obama.

One thing is certain, Uygur is pure comedy gold!

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. Which is why he'll be forever stuck in an internet wasteland. (nt)

:toast:

[dionysus]

32. hey, he has fun taping himself in that fake newsroom of his...i wonder if his set is in his basement

[EFerrari]

28. How is nominating someone with a strong liberal record "strongarming" anyone?

[Quantess]

35. It isn't. (no text)

[jpak]

13. Thanks for posting the truth about Teh Bad Obama

:rofl:

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[shotten99]

30. Great! I hope more stuff like this comes out.

Let's drive down the Democrats' chances a few more % points.
The new and improved GOP looks so much more reasonable than they did pre-election 2006!

[Capitalocracy]

34. Repeat but I'll K&R again... come on people, dissent is a good thing

Honest criticism of any political leader, even if they're "on our side", which I say the jury is still out on, is NEVER a bad thing. Don't let those corporatist Dems convince you that you can't criticize them or you're aiding the enemy. You have a right and an obligation to demand that our leaders, especially the ones who count on OUR votes to stay in power, actually do their job and lead, rather than letting the Republicans remain in control in every critical issue and then say hey, what can we do? They're just more powerful than us, even though they're the minority. I call BS!

[readmoreoften]

37. Move the ball 10 yards in the opposite direction of Bush/Cheney?

More like moves it 10 yards in the opposite direction, then 9 yards back in the same direction.

[glitch]

38. IMO you're both being too generous.

I think he's still carrying the ball rightward.

[theFrankFactor]

39. I Feel I Just Have To Say This, Because I REALLY LOVE Obama!

Obama picked her so I love her too.

Obama sold out to Pharma so I love him anyway.

Obama sold out to insurance so I love him anyway.

Obama picked financial industry insiders to dole out trillions of tax payer dollars so I love Obama anyway.

Obama forms a committee of social program hating nuts to handle Social Security and Medicare so I love Obama.

Obama backs off shore drilling so I love Obama.

I love DemocraticUnderground!

[20score]

41. K&R!