Breaking now: Pakistani American arrested in bombing attempt.

[LeftyFingerPop]

MSNBC

[Mz Pip]

1. Good

and they probably didn't need to torture anybody to do it.

This should be a reminder to all those who think torture is the way to go that we can get results with good police work.

[Webster Green]

He's probably with jack Bauer right now.

Being interrogated about his superiors.

[gateley]

27. Then he doesn't stand a chance. We'll know the truth before sun up. nt

[Prometheus Bound]

58. Won't Bauer let him escape 3 times before sunup?

[me b zola]

70. Now that's funny

:rofl:

[Robb]

76. Nice

:rofl:

[AnArmyVeteran]

97. But just talking to get information is sooo boring compared to waterboarding

[LeftyFingerPop]

2. Man is from CT...

Has "overseas connections".

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Thanks for the rapid update!

[LeftyFingerPop]

4. You're welcome...

TV on in front of me...they broke into a Hardball re-run.

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[LeftyFingerPop]

6. Arrest made in Long Island.

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[kentuck]

8. I think that was one of his accomplices?

We will find out that he was working with at least two more people. They are chickenshit. They always have accomplices.

[Luminous Animal]

9. You mean white Protestant U.S. male body style.

Apparently the alleged suspect is a U.S. citizen. Thus, his body style is a U.S. male body movement.

[flamingdem]

12. Not if he's from Pakistan, sorry you can't win PC points on this

Body movement is culturally inscribed. Just ask the locals next time you're out of the USA if they can tell who is a tourist and who isn't .. and many can say which country they are from.

I know that kind of body movement, you can't be 100% obviously but you can get a strong feeling based on pattern recognition

[Luminous Animal]

14. U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent. I am a U.S. citizen of Irish descent.

Absolutely no evidence presented, as of yet, that he grew up in Pakistan.

[HipChick]

16. He acquired through naturalization...but many people still think Richard Reid was pakistan

when he was actually bi-racial Jamaican and English

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[HipChick]

21. To generalize and stereotype people is the beginning..

[flamingdem]

23. You just lack the ability to perceive visual and kinetic patterns

and thus must throw up a PC smokescreen to cover.

[HipChick]

24. Not really...I've been able to travel the world

and choose not to pre-judge people based on my experiences..it must really throw you off when you meet a white Jamaican, a Chinese British person, a black Russian...just a few people I have come across in my travels..

[flamingdem]

29. We're not even talking about the same thing

you are talking about exceptions to the rule and I'm talk about the majority pattern.

[HipChick]

32. I'm very well aware of what you are talking about..

I just don't subscribe to your theory....

[Luminous Animal]

18. I'm not doubting you but I've sen nothing reported that he's a naturalized citizen.

Link?

[HipChick]

20. Police have gone on record saying he is a naturalized citizen..

[Luminous Animal]

25. Again. Link?

Surely, if you can report it, you've got a source.

[HipChick]

28. Hold on, Let me look up his A# in USCIS...

They might have access to several databases to verify that type of info..

[Luminous Animal]

35. So, despite your assertion, you've got nothing but a 50/50 chance of being right.

There has got to more, if we are truly going to analyze and discuss a situation than a 50/50 chance based on speculation.

It's crazy, I know, to expect more than a toss of a coin, but I still like to think that a reality based community and discussion should be a model for the norm rather than the exception.

[HipChick]

37. I'm just wondering why you think the officials would lie about it?

status is easily checked..Holder is on now..a US citizen

[Luminous Animal]

43. Yes. U.S. citizen. I am not doubting that.

I do believe that you have asserted that he is a naturalized citizen. True or false?

[HipChick]

49. and a dumbarse..

next question..

[Luminous Animal]

54. True or false. With evidence, not opinion. Is he a naturalized citizen?

Or is he a homegrown U.S. terrorist?

[Barackbaby]

64. I guess the FBI will check on that and confirm

The New York Times reported the Connecticut man is a naturalized U.S. citizen from Pakistan.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/sees+foreign+ties+bomb+plot+Washington+Post/2981422/story.html#ixzz0mwIhn3vB

[Panfilo]

96. Interesting, now they can say they need to be able to "pre-empt"

U.S. citizens. Commondreams.org:

"The Obama Administration has authorised the targeted killing of an American citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, in what is believed to be an unprecedented move in the War against Terror."

Get them before they get us.

"Obama Targets US Citizen for 'Kill or Capture'"
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/04/07

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

77. It's reported he was born in Pakistan and is a naturalized citizen.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Actually you can tell the tourist through camera and general attitude

Americans in particular. But most of the time, you can't through body movement.

That is racial profiling

And lord knows I worked in a border city where we got tourists from all over the world. You could tell the moment people started to speak...

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[gateley]

33. My best friend and I could always spot someone from Europe by the way

s/he moved, walked. Hard to pinpoint, but they just moved differently than people who were born or raised in the U.S. So I know what you're saying. It's subtle and I'm not sure when/how we first noticed, but once we did, it was easy to spot from then on. And, may I say, they move beautifully, much more fluid and lyrical (or something) than we Americans do.

I never thought past that, but reading what you wrote about other cultures, I'll pay more attention in the future.

ETA I don't think it's racial, but rather more cultural -- what do you think?

[flamingdem]

88. Mostly cultural, but both

because even if it isn't politically correct to point it out different races have different body structures. This leads not only to tendencies of body movement, based on kinetics as well as culture, but certain facial expressions and ways of speaking due to cranial structure.

It's very much cultural as well because humans imitate/influence each other in a natural process across race and nationality if living together.

[gateley]

93. Since reading your posts, I've become more aware and was intently watching

an Australian sports star on TV last night, and her expressions, the way she moved her mouth (cranial structure?), other can't-put-my-finger-on-it clues made me think she was like a lot of Australians I've seen speak. This is really interesting.

And I swear to god the French move with that certain je ne sais quoi that sets them apart. French women, anyway. I wish I could emulate them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. You are right, I just GREW UP in Mexico City

I guess we became part of the US at one point and I missed that memo

:-)

What was a dead give away was not how people walked, but the damn cameras and the close huddles of people wearing clothes that stuck out.

[uppityperson]

53. good grief. deleted snark

:eyes:

[flamingdem]

19. psst he's a naturalized US citizen from Pakistan originally they say nt

[Luminous Animal]

26. Who is they and do they have a link?

Listen, I am not insinuating that you are wrong. I am, as a human being who eschews truthiness, someone who expects to be led into a discussion based on fact.

I suppose I could google it but I am watching Castle on TV right now and I love Castle.

[flamingdem]

30. tv bubba, and one will say he is and then another isn't sure.. nt

[Luminous Animal]

40. Last time I checked "TV" online, there was a url in my navigation fieild.

Link?

[HipChick]

42. Pakistan just dis-owned him...he's a US Citizen, no longer a member of our society

that was quick..

[Luminous Animal]

45. If he is a U.S. born citizen, why would Pakistan need to disown him?

He is a home grown terrorist.

[HipChick]

47. He's naturalized..

but funny how there is no update on these US citizens..

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/world/asia/11inquire.html

[Luminous Animal]

50. WTF! You've still offered zero evidence that he's naturalized.

Do you think I'm stupid?

Do you think that you'll be vindicated if it proves true that he is naturalized, as you've asserted with no evidence, that it is okay to make assertions based on zero facts in evidence?

[zerox]

51. Pay attention to the news instead of attacking people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/nyregion/04bomb.html?hp

it's been reported since this first came out that he was a naturalized citizen.

Federal agents and police detectives arrested a Connecticut man, a naturalized United States citizen from Pakistan, early Tuesday in connection with the failed Times Square car bombing, according to people briefed on the investigation.

[Luminous Animal]

55. I've not once attacked anyone. All I asked is what you just gave me. A link.

A simple link. Jeesh. Why was that so difficult?

[zerox]

57. Because for all the time you spent railing against the other poster...

you could have easily found it yourself on the front page of any news source or on any television news station.

[Luminous Animal]

61. I did google it. All I could find was "Pakistan Descent."

When referring to "descent", it more often than not means a natural born citizen with reference to heritage. (I.e., I am a U.S. citizen of Irish descent.) That is why I asked for a link. It looks like the NY Times, which has just recenlty gone to print, is reporting "naturalized". Okay then.

I've not once claimed a poster is wrong, I only asked for evidence. And for some bizarre reason, none would provide it.

[HipChick]

62. If you can be located inside the database of USCIS

which provided much of the information about him because of the naturalization paperwork he submitted to become a US citizen, its not the same of being of "descent" - can we stop beating this Horse now,it appears to be dead..

[Luminous Animal]

Nope. You never provided a link because you didn't have one.

That is, you made an accusation and provided no evidence, even when asked (repeatedly) and expected me to agree with you. The fact that the NY Times (finally, hours later) confirms your assertions does not mean that you were right in throwing out baseless accusations.

[HipChick]

71. Nope.. I didn't have one..I had several

so would you if you choose to look..

[alcibiades_mystery]

78. You're embarrassing yourself

Stop it.

[HipChick]

59. Let me google that for you..

http://tinyurl.com/2uk7jgz

[HipChick]

56. He was naturalized last April 2009, the car owner was able to validate his photo and ID him

from his naturalization records..

[Luminous Animal]

63. By the way, it was NOT reported that he IS a naturalized citizen.

It was consistently reported that he is a "U.S. citizen of Pakistan Descent." Two entirely different things and why I asked for a link.

[Bluenorthwest]

85. Link, please, on that 'consistent reporting'

I never saw the word 'descent' and frankly, it is not often used in describing people. All I ever read was that he was naturalized citizen, from Pakistan. So I never saw these reports you are saying you saw consistently, I saw what the others are speaking of.
So, as what is good for the goose and all, give us a link to prove that consistently, naturalized was not said, but 'descent' was used.

[NM_hemilover]

94. Is Castle over already ?

[HipChick]

52. I'm not sure what your point is..but I'm sure his prints came up in a database

with his naturalization process, even he had no record prior...

[slackmaster]

83. You can take the boy out of the country,

But you can't take the country out of the boy.

[Heidi]

60. First paragraph in this NY Times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/nyregion/04bomb.html?src=me

Federal agents and police detectives arrested a Connecticut man, a naturalized United States citizen from Pakistan, early Tuesday in connection with the failed Times Square car bombing, according to people briefed on the investigation.

[cherokeeprogressive]

66. Damn. CNN didn't mention it until the FIFTH paragraph...

Hi Heidi!

[Heidi]

67. c!!!!

:hug:

[HipChick]

68. I feel like a third wheel..

:grouphug:

[Heidi]

69. !

:*

[snooper2]

89. truthiness.....hmm- where have I heard that word before

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[crazyjoe]

75. what the f* are you talking about?

[HipChick]

11. I didn't know US males had a body movement...is that tape even tied to him?

since he was actually located by fingerprints on the car..and using his real email

[flamingdem]

13. British people have their own distinct movement style

OK if you aren't visually inclined you wouldn't get it...

repeat:

Body movement is culturally inscribed. Just ask the locals next time you're out of the USA if they can tell who is a tourist and who isn't .. and many can say which country they are from.

I know that kind of body movement, you can't be 100% obviously but you can get a strong feeling based on pattern recognition

[blueamy66]

86. What about fanny packs?

Which citizens of which country(ies) still use them?

:-)

[madmax]

10. Yes, great news....

but, it's still Obama's fault. :sarcasm:


Well, I had to post it again. It is!

[flamingdem]

31. In general they did a bang up job finding this guy and that is a relief

and good for Obama ultimately.

[gateley]

38. They DID! I was surprised they found him so quickly! Bush should have

hired those people to find bin Ladin.

[MkapX]

36. Wow

So South Park almost got people killed!!! As Bill Maher says muslim extremist must watch more cartoons then stoners

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

48. Do we know anything about motivation yet? -nt

[MilesColtrane]

74. Just guessing here, but it might have to do with reading about Pakistani civilians...

being disintegrated by U.S. predator drones.

In a word: blowback.

[HipChick]

39. 30yrs old, he was headed to Dubai..

[Barackbaby]

65. wasn't he on the no fly?

I read somewhere that he was known to the authorities, wouldn't he have been on the no fly list?

[proteus_lives]

41. Wherever he is, I imagine he's not enjoying himself.

[HipChick]

44. Life over..

unless he let someone else borrow his SUV for the night..

[proteus_lives]

46. Yep.

I would guess they're pressing hard about associates and anyone in the US that might be planning something.

[lbrtbell]

72. I'm waiting for the screams of "Racial profiling!"

Whatever you do, NYC, don't ask him for any identification, or the rest of the country will boycott your state....

[WeDidIt]

79. Oh brother!

:eyes:

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. This has nothing to do with racial profiling

They didn't stop everyone who looked "Middle Eastern or Hispanic" (the description given by the seller of the SUV) and ask them whether they'd recently purchased an SUV in CT. That's what racial profiling is, and that's why it is both legally wrong and fucking immoral. Besides, good luck stopping everyone in NYC who "looks" Middle eastern or Hispanic. It's just as fucking stupid as stopping everyone in Arizona who looks like could vaguely be "Mexican." That's why Arizona richly deserves the consequences of whatever boycotts go into effect. Either the people of Arizona take responsibility for the unjust laws made by their legislature, or they do not. But the rest of us don't have to put up with such outright racist bullshit.

[bullwinkle428]

82. Paging Captain Strawman to the white courtesy phone...

:eyes:

[Jennicut]

73. He was living in the Bridgeport/Shelton areas of CT. The local news here in CT showed

that there was a massive convergence of FBI, NY and CT officials and a bomb squad all at the guy's former house. I guess being in Bridgeport gave him easy access to go to NYC. Not too far away. The people on the street were freaking out a bit. One thing out Bridgeport....it is a city and they see all types. Still they were shocked. Hey, I would be too if a would-be terrorist lived next door to me.

[Fla_Democrat]

81. Now, for some real fun

Hmmm, doesn't Glenn Beck live in CT? :evilgrin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck

In 1999, Beck married his second wife, Tania.<21> They joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in October 1999, partly at the urging of his daughter Mary.<24><25> The couple has two children, Raphe (who is adopted) and Cheyenne. Beck lives in a multimillion dollar home in Connecticut with his wife and four children.<26>

[Jennicut]

84. He lives in New Canaan. He was a local DJ for KC101 when I was growing up. Yup,

I survived being a teenager listening to Glenn Beck in the mornings on the way to highschool. He was weird then too.

"In 2008, CNN Money ranked New Canaan first in the nation with the highest median family income." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Canaan,_Connecticut

Glenn Beck should never say anything about "liberal elitism". Being here in CT, it just makes me laugh. He lives in like the richest town in the United States.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

91. Isn't Ann Coulter from there?

Or Laura Ingraham?

A lot of radio guys like Chris Russo and Gary Dellabate live there.

[Jennicut]

92. Ann Coulter was born in NYC but moved to New Canaan when she was a kid.

Russo lives in New Canaan, I think Dell'Abate lives in Greenwich. Ingraham grew up in Glastonbury, which is not too far from Terryville, where I live.
I find it interesting that conservatives love to comment about latte liberals but live in rich areas or grew up rich. It is just hilarious. Russo is a Republican as well, not sure about Baba Booey.

[Fleshdancer]

87. According to an old neighbor of his (interviewed on CNN)...

His neighbor from a year ago said he had a wife and two kids (neighbor's kid and his kids use to play together). He told this neighbor he worked on wall street. They told this neighbor they were moving to Missouri and after they left, their house was foreclosed on.

Terrorists come in all shapes, sizes, and backgrounds. If what the neighbor says is true and if this is indeed the right guy (and the evidence is looking pretty strong), then I'm honestly surprised. I wonder where his wife and kids are and if the wife knew what her husband was planning.

[Common Sense Party]

90. Can't be true. DU said that this was the work of a white, RW militia type.

And we're never wrong.

[Robb]

95. Turned on a dime.

Impressive for its size, no? :D