I want a nanny state, especially for the children.

[Cleita]

:rant:

I'm listening to this moron from the Commonwealth Foundation on Thom Hartmann who is having a shoot up fair where an abandoned car with decals for all government social programs like health care and other government help like bail outs are shot at. Thom brought up the danger of ricochet on metal and the moron assured him it would be safe because it's at a private club. Good, maybe they will eliminate each other through stupidity.

:eyes:

I'm sick and tired of these no government types keeping the rest of us from getting the social programs that we need to function as a society and that every other industrial country in the world has for their citizens. We need everyone to pay into the commons, like our roads, fire departments, police, schools and health care. We need regulation of our industries and food supply. If the morons don't want to avail themselves of the services they pay for, screw them. At least their children will have them when they need them so they can grow up to be productive adults. They still have to pay fair taxes so the rest of us who want and need these social programs can have them and that includes their elderly parents and children.

I'm tired of the whiners keeping the rest of us in third world country status because they vote against their own best interests because of these stupid ideas.

[SPedigrees]

1. These no-govt types would be loathe to give up their medicare,

social security, highways, police & fire services, unemployment insurance, and on and on. (And they give responsible gun owners a bad reputation.)

[SocialistLez]

2. I'm with you.

I'd gladly have a single-payer system that's voluntary. Only Republicans wouldn't sign up and that's fine with me.

You can deal with the health insurance companies and their evil ways. Just don't make me deal with their sh**.

[mwooldri]

3. I'd love to have a nanny for my children.

All joking aside, raising kids is hard work. And that's just my OWN household.

The State is kind of one big household. It needs someone to take care of it. Otherwise you'd end up with a load of kids quarrelling and fighting and hitting and punching and killing each other and there's no peace in the world.

Who is the State's Nanny? The Government of course. And those who don't want a "Nanny State" are bad boys and need to be disciplined as such.

[MisterP]

4. the thing with libertarian rhetoric is it's so insidious

that it masks its own history--from Bohm-Bawerk being ordered by Franz Josef of Austria-Hungary to come up with something anti-Marx to Murray Rothbard to Von Mises to the various Friedmans to Navy-pensioned Heinlein to murderer-inspired Ayn Rand to the cross-burning National Review to the Hunt and Koch multibillionaires to David Nolan

the problem with capitalism isn't unfair subsidies that harm competition or downward distribution that's too slow, it's capitalism itself; the libertarians may hate racism, but are ok with no government steps against private racism, and economically would give us a Thatcherite Britain, Reagan's America, or a Somalia

[paulsby]

5. except that's not a nannystate

a nannystate is when govt. takes it on itself to protect us from ourselves

banning smoking in bars, banning online gambling (WA) but leaving it legal in casinos, banning toys from happy meals, banning "too much" salt in restaurants, the war on drugs, etc.

it's not about social safety net

hth

[Cleita]

6. True, but the Libertarians have co-opted the word to mean it's about

social safety nets.

[paulsby]

7. i know some libertarians who have

and i strongly disagree with them

i think dems and repubs can learn a LOT from (mostly small 'l') libertarians

there is a tendency in both parties, to put it mildly, to see govt. as the solution to everything, and to expand govt. power, pass vague unconstitutional laws, etc.

repubs and dems just do it in somewhat different ways, but they both LOVE statist, authoritarian crap

i describe myself as a left moderate with libertarian tendencies:
pro choice
pro marriage equality
against war on drugs
against racial preferences
pro RKBA
pro minimum wage
pro universal health care
etc.


WA state, which is a strongly blue state has passed a LOT of nannystate legislation, so i am well aware of this statist tendency

[pnwmom]

8. Banning smoking in bars is nanny state but not banning smoking elsewhere?

There's no inextricable link between smoking and drinking.

[bobbolink]

9. I want the no-government types to get the HELL off the roads and streets.