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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 08:47 AM
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Not-so-fun facts about Virginia
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 09:45 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
I am a Virginian and I am always surprised when, every few years, people announce that Virginia has moved from a red state to a purple state. It is litterally true, since red and blue just refer to electing pugs and Dems and we have elected a lot of Dems over the years but sometimes I wonder whether that's partially because some older white folks here might be so traditional they still won't vote for the party of Lincoln. Yes, Northern Virginia (and Richmond and Tidewater area) sometimes provides a sufficient margin to elect moderate Democrats state-wide and we had a good run for a while but once you get outside the DC suburbs Virginia is a deep-south state.

Our capital was the capital of the confederacy and remains damn proud of it. Richmond is 50-50 white and black but the Richmond public school system is about 90% black. Integration never really took. (Those were the #s when I lived there... I don't know if it has changed any.)(On edit: My numbers are old. White flight continued, it seems. Richmond is about two-thirds black now. Eric Cantor's Henrico County is where most Richmond whites fled to and is something like 87% white today.)

The docents at a publicly funded museum in Richmond refer to the civil war as "The War of Northern Aggression."

Monument Avenue is an endless series of statues of confederate heroes, all erected well after the civil war, obviously. For balance, at some point the city erected a statue of famed tap-dancer William "Bojangles" Robinson in a black neighborhood. That was not meant as an insult. Robinson was born in Richmond and was a pretty cool guy. But still... And there is also a statue of Arthur Ashe.

And that is how Virginia does things... when you complain about a statue of a maniac like Jefferson Davis the state responds with balance, erecting a statue of Robinson.

And when the Martin Luther King holiday became law Virginia responded with its usual balance, making the day a dual holiday to honor MLK and Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee. Fair and balanced!

When Timothy McVeigh was arrested he was wearing a tee shirt bearing the Virginia State Motto: Sic Semper Tyrannis. That was, of course, what John Wilkes Booth shouted from the stage after shooting Lincoln. (Probably hoarsely since he had broken his ankle jumping onto the stage.)

It was a venerable phrase when adopted but it isn't fun reading your state motto every time you see McVeigh's mug-shot.

(On the plus side, we have the only state flag with nudity. Probably also the only state flag with a corpse... sex and violence always sells!)

Virginia adopted this as their state song in 1940. (Yes, that's a nine, not an eight.)
Carry Me back to Old Virginny
Written by James Bland


Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where the old darke'ys heart am long'd to go,
There's where I labored so hard for old massa,
Day after day in the field of yellow corn,
No place on earth do I love more sincerely
Than old Virginny, the state where I was born.
Note that our state song 1) never spells the state correctly and 2) might get a schoolteacher in Northern Virginia fired if he taught it to the kids.... except it's the state song. (Onenote notes in a reply that the commonwealth fixed the spelling when adopting the song, so ignore that comment of mine.)

The song was written by a black man, if that helps any. (Nah, didn't think so.)

Yes, this will be a more enlightened state someday but even today our inner-Alabama is never that far beneath the surface. The political struggle for Virginia will ultimately be generational and demographic and has a ways yet to go.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 08:58 AM
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1. Sigh. I'm from Virginia, too. Well actually I was an Army brat so don't know
where home is (often claim Missoula, Montana as my home but I live in Virginia right now)....

Sigh.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:05 AM
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3. been there, done that... I comissorate n/t
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:00 AM
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2. Maybe, but there is hope for VA. The Northern (mostly Democratic) suburbs keeps expanding as
does the City of Harrisonburg. The Norfolk/Tidewater areas are also growing Democratic strongholds especially for candidates like Warner and Webb. While McDonnell and Cucinelli are throwbacks, the future looks bright.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:06 AM
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5. Very true. Demographically Virginia will someday be blue.
But our elections don't tell the whole story.

Virginia was capable of voting for Obama and then, the very next year, voting for a pro-confederate thug for governor.

I think we elected the first black governor, and elected George Allen.

It will take some time.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:06 AM
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6. I'm thinking the future looks bright in terms of politics all over the country...rop
I really think in twenty years, the GOP will either have to become a lot less racist and homophobic and sexist etc. or vanish as a major party.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:06 AM
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4. BTW... it is a Commonwealth; not a State. n/t
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:07 AM
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7. You are correct. Something we share with Mass.
Though for some reason state's rights remain popular here.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:11 AM
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8. Virginia is also the adopted state of George "Macaca" Allen,
a guy so racist he named his son "Forrest" after Confederate General and Ku Klux Klan founder Nathan Bedford Forrest, hung Confederate flags in his home, and pushed Confederate history month as governor.

I went to high school with him in California (1966-70). He sported a Confederate flag lapel pin in his graduation photo, had Confederate flag bumper stickers on his car, and was suspended from school for scrawling racist graffiti on the school walls. In college in Virginia he was also well known for his racism. Apparently the media was so enamored of his pedigree as the son of a famous NFL coach that they never looked beyond it. The turd was even poised to run for President in 2008 until he tipped his hand with the Macaca outburst. Shudder to think about it.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:28 AM
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9. Virginia is a gay-hating state
With some of the most repressive, anti-gay laws in the entire country.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:36 AM
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10. some variations on your facts
First, there are portions of Virginia outside NoVa that are not "the deep south" -- Neither Tidewater nor the Richmond area deserve that label. Indeed, the Third Congressional District, which represents portions of Richmond and Tidewater, is "bluer" than any other Congressional District in Virginia, having elected Democrat Bobby Scott to Congress for nine consecutive terms and having supported Obama by a 76-24 margin (and having supported Kerry and Gore over Bush by 2 to 1 margins). One could argue that these voters have, as much as northern virginia (which is where I'm from) provided the margin for electing Democrats to statewide office.

Second, while Virginia initially enacted a law combining the King Holiday with Lee-Jackson Day in 1984, it has been a separate holiday since 2000. Moreover, even the tacky combining of the King Holiday with Lee Jackson Day put Virginia ahead of not anywhere near the South New Hampshire, which didn't acknowledge King in a holiday until 1999.

Finally, while I will not defend the state song (actually the "state song emiritus" since 1996, although there has been no replacement named as the new official state song), a minor historical correction should be made. When the state legislature adopted it as the state song in 1940, it modified "Virginny" to "Virginia" so that the offical version used the correct spelling. Not that everyone sang it that way, of course.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:42 AM
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12. All good points. Thank you.
My point is not to disparage Richmond and Tidewater but to add some background (albeit one-sided) for folks who cannot understand how a state could vote for Obama in 2008 and vote heavily for a genuine bigot in 2009.

As you know, this state has no fixed political identity and oscillates in weird ways, being such an uneasy mix of new-south, deep-south and mid-atlantic.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:40 AM
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11. More about the state song
There's been an effort to change the state song. A lot of the old Virginia mindset needs to change, as it is in NOVA.

http://virginiastatesong.com/

Virginia Lynn Klotz Rinker (To the tune of Shenandoah)

Virginia you are my homeland
How I love your gentle beauty
From Virginia Beach to the Blue Ridge Mountains
Rich in grace and history
You are always home to me

Dogwoods blooming in the springtime
Blazing colors in the fall
The softness of a summer twilight
Sweet honeysuckle fills the air
My heart will always lead me there

Mother to our Founding Fathers
Birthplace of Democracy
Your fields bear scars of raging battles
Witnessed the fight to set men free
The triumph of equality

Sunrise dances on your waters
Sunset paints your hills in gold
The Shenandoah flows to the ocean
From past to future yet unknown
Virginia always will be home

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:47 AM
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13. I love the melody of that song
I think they could have re-written the words and kept it. Then they would let people know that they were shedding their racist roots.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 10:33 AM
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16. they tried but unfortunately the idea got shot down in the legislature
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:52 AM
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14. kick
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PoliSSHat Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:52 AM
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15. I thought Virginia was for lovers?
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