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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:52 PM
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Gulf Coast in danger. Aw crap.
The massive oil well blowout in the Gulf of Mexico has grown from "the size of Rhode Island", to now "the size of Maryland".

Forecasters say it may hit the shores of LA, MS, AL, and western FL panhandle by Saturday.

If it does, it'll kill our fish, shrimp, oyster, crab, etc. industries for a long time to come.
And kill beach tourism too.
I live 15 miles north of the coast. Our towns depend heavily on 'tourist taxes' (sales/meals/lodging) and many merchants depend almost entirely on the tourist trade.
crap

Here's a pdf I got from a friend about what happened (by an offshore drilling expert).

You may have heard the news in the last two days about the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig which caught fire, burned for two days, then sank in 5,000 ft of water in the Gulf of Mexico. There are still 11 men missing, and they are not expected to be found.

The rig belongs to Transocean, the world’s biggest offshore drilling contractor. The rig was originally contracted through the year 2013 to BP and was working on BP’s Macondo exploration well when the fire broke out. The rig costs about $500,000 per day to contract.

The full drilling spread, with helicopters and support vessels and other services, will cost closer to $1,000,000 per day to operate in the course of drilling for oil and gas. The rig cost about $350,000,000 to build in 2001 and would cost at least double that to replace today.

The rig represents the cutting edge of drilling technology. It is a floating rig, capable of working in up to 10,000 ft water depth. The rig is not moored; It does not use anchors because it would be too costly and too heavy to suspend this mooring load from the floating structure. Rather, a triply-redundant computer system uses satellite positioning to control powerful thrusters that keep the rig on station within a few feet of its intended location, at all times. This is called Dynamic Positioning.

The rig had apparently just finished cementing steel casing in place at depths exceeding 18,000 ft. The next operation was to suspend the well so that the rig could move to its next drilling location, the idea being that a rig would return to this well later in order to complete the work necessary to bring the well into production.

It is thought that somehow formation fluids – oil /gas – got into the wellbore and were undetected until it was too late to take action. With a
floating drilling rig setup, because it moves with the waves, currents, and winds, all of the main pressure control equipment sits on the seabed – the uppermost unmoving point in the well. This pressure control equipment – the Blowout Preventers, or ‘BOP’s” as they’re called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig.

In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit, and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them were apparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow – the flames. They were 200 – 300 ft high.

All of this will be investigated and it will be some months before all of the particulars are known. For now, it is enough to say that this marvel of modern technology, which had been operating with an excellent safety record, has burned up and sunk taking souls with it.

The well still is apparently flowing oil, which is appearing at the surface as a slick. They have been working with remotely operated vehicles, or ROV’s which are essentially tethered miniature submarines with manipulator arms and other equipment that can perform work underwater while the operator sits on a vessel. These are what were used to explore the Titanic, among other things. Every floating rig has one on board and they are in constant use. In this case, they are deploying ROV’s from dedicated service vessels.

They have been trying to close the well in using a specialized port on the BOP’s and a pumping arrangement on their ROV’s. They have been unsuccessful so far.

Specialized pollution control vessels have been scrambled to start working the spill, skimming the oil up.

In the coming weeks they will move in at least one other rig to drill a fresh well that will intersect the blowing one at its pay zone. They will use technology that is capable of drilling from a floating rig, over 3 miles deep to an exact specific point in the earth – with a target radius of just a few feet plus or minus. Once they intersect their target, a heavy fluid will be pumped that exceeds the formation’s pressure, thus
causing the flow to cease and rendering the well safe at last. It will take at least a couple of months to get this done, bringing all available technology to bear.

It will be an ecological disaster if the well flows all of the while; Optimistically, it could bridge off downhole.
It’s a sad day when something like this happens to any rig, but even more so when it happens to something on the cutting edge of our
capabilities.











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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:56 PM
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1. I certainly hope that President Obama reconsiders this; "Obama announces offshore drilling plan".
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601Liberal Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:36 AM
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30. I hope so too
I love my crawfish and I can't bare the thought of not being able to get any because of the oil slick.
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:56 PM
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2. Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 05:56 PM
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3. But offshore drilling is safe...
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:03 PM
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4. They're putting out oil containment booms now.
Off the coast of Orange Beach.
That town and Gulf Shores are our two primary beachfront tourist destinations.
:-(
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:07 PM
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5. Ya'll are totally fucked.
I'm so sorry about all of these things and the continuing damage. It just makes me feel so sick to be human right now. :(
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:00 PM
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21. Clearly it has not been working so far
We were told these fires would be burning by noon DST today.
This is frightening.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:14 PM
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6. Most interesting.
I had no idea the rigs were not anchored.
What happens to them in hurricanes???

I remember all too well the promises that were made by the oil industry during the fight to keep tankers out of Puget Sound and Alaska waters. They promised it was safe, there were multiple safety measures, they would be able to clean up any oil that would never ever spill anyhow, etc.
Then the Exxon Valdez hit and the oil companies reneged on all their promises, arguing against responsibility for the accident, for the clean up, for years.

I am 90 miles from shore, but feel the pain just as much, trof. Anyone knows out wind and wave pattern this time of year.
Too bad Scruggs is in jail. There may be plenty of room for litigation lawyers.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:20 PM
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8. I think Exxon still has not paid any of the fine for Prudhoe Bay spill.
That was over 20 years ago.
Still litigating?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:38 PM
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12. The SOA lost the case against Exxon. They basiclly paid clean up cost.
Although oil is still present to this day.

Side note: the spill was in Prince Williams Sound not prudhoe bay, they are seperated by the alyeska pipeline(1,000 miles)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:50 PM
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16. Ah...yes! You're right. My bad.
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:17 PM
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7. Believe me, trof, I'm not being a smart-ass but..
Maybe, just maybe, it takes a disaster of this
magnitude to wake people up. Maybe, just maybe
the people of LA, MS, AL and NW FL will come to
realize they've been voting against their interests
for decades. Maybe, just maybe. Take care, my friend.

:pals:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:21 PM
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9. Sorry, but I doubt it.
Evidently a 2X4 shot between the eyes still doesn't get our attention.
:eyes:
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:35 PM
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10. Unfortunately, you're probably right
:banghead:

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KILL THE WISE ONE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:37 PM
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11. it will be a shame to see the white sands covered in oil.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:40 PM
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13. The rig represents the cutting edge of drilling technology = FAIL.
Enough said.

Obama needs to change his mind on offshore drilling. Cutting edge isn't good enough, apparently. :eyes:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:40 PM
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14. maybe our capabilities are not quite as 'cutting edge' as our arrogance perceives?
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:42 PM
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15. I am far more concerned about all the
marine life that will die because of this than sandy white beaches for tourists.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:53 PM
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17. Yes, that's why I mentioned the fishing industries.
The salt marshes, marine grasslands, swamps, bayous, bays, etc. are the breeding grounds for all of our marine and wildlife.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:57 PM
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20. This will impact many species for years to come.
It may well kill off commercial shrimping and oystering in LA for sure. Not sure how it will affect Texas waters yet.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 09:34 AM
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29. Our watershed watch group has volunteered.
The membership has been notified to be ready with rubber boots and gloves if (when?) shoreline critter cleanup becomes necessary.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:54 PM
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18. Don't rule out a repeatperformance
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 06:55 PM
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19. This should be a lesson for Obama on why we do not want any more offshore drilling.
I hope he goes back on that plan immediately.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:23 PM
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22. 'Obama unchanged on offshore drilling despite spill'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/23/AR2010042302597.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama has no plans to reconsider his proposal for new offshore oil drilling in the aftermath of an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the White House said on Friday.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the administration had taken swift action to ensure the safety of workers and the environment after the spill, which on Thursday measured one mile by five miles.

Asked whether Obama had second thoughts on offshore drilling, Gibbs said, "No."
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:24 AM
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27. He's my president, but we have to write and call and write and call and e-mail and make NOISE!
No No No offshore drilling.
Fuck coal mine death traps.

Invest in new wind, solar energy and new green jobs.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:43 PM
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25. "we"
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 11:46 PM by pitohui
i think you can be a democrat and support offshore drilling in the states that wish to drill, in this case, louisiana

it means a lot to us

this isn't so easy and simple an issue as you might imagine

i just saw obama agrees, good for him

we want to drill and we need to drill, any industry can have an accident but the people working there would not want you to have the take home lesson that their life/industry wasn't worth the doing...at the moment no one knows why this happened, it doesn't look like negligence or wishing to fuck the workers, this ain't a coal mine, this is just a bad thing that happened at a bad time

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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 12:07 AM
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26. Unfortunately, you cannot contain disaster and pollution to the confines of a single state.
If South Carolina or Virginia want to drill, we in North Carolina are stuck with whatever the crap happens off those other two states.

The southern Atlantic coast use to be off limits. Bush wanted to do it, but he didn't dare.

IMO, no Democratic President has any business authorizing this kind of thing. In the past it would have been unthinkable. This infuriates me! :grr:
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FedUpWithIt All Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 02:31 AM
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28. And the same arguments are made by the coal miners. It is their livelihood and they defend it
Edited on Thu Apr-29-10 02:33 AM by FedUpWithIt All
but it does not make it right.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:31 PM
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23. "spill, baby, spill"
It is so enraging living here in a red state. I get in arguments about this stuff, and how we need to start moving to sustainable energy. The answer is always "Well, wind cannot provide all our power needs". Or "solar cannot provide all our power needs". The right expects one silver bullet that can do it all- but even today we do not receive all of our power needs from just one source. We use coal, natural gas, oil, hydroelectric, and nuclear. And even if these two sources (wind and solar) only reduce our dependence on fossil fuels by 20%, that it something that should be explored. I believe, with conservation, that number (20%) could become much bigger.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 11:40 PM
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24. this is heart breaking
Edited on Wed Apr-28-10 11:42 PM by pitohui
words don't describe, i'm sick abt the loss of the 11 men, esp. since (as described in another post) i was one of those who was victimized by the rumor the men were found floating on some kind of rescue raft (they have NEVER been found, as far as i know the bodies are missing)

i'm sick abt the effects on the breeding birds (this is the worst possible time ofyear, april) and the destruction of species

sick sick sick

at the same time to use this as an excuse to attack obama or to attack the offshore oil industry, which is an industry that is v. important to louisiana and supported by the people of this state-- it's just awful

the men who died would not want to see the accident as an argument that men like them should not have jobs or that their jobs were not worth doing

it is worth doing to drill here, we do have oil, we have a willingness to go after it, and i'm not hearing anyone angry at the contractor or calling them slobs...you know, accidents do happen, i don't believe in burning witches

it's an accident but at the end of the day we WANT to produce, we WANT to contribute -- and as you say, "cutting edge" they are trying to learn and make it more safe and efficient -- we don't want to punish them for trying

valdez was different, that was a drunk being allowed to run things...this is just (so far as we know) a complete accident that no mere human could prevent...
i wish i knew what to say, trof, truly i don't...i hope it does not impact your shores in alabama or any shores truly ..it is only a few miles away from treasured islands of breeding brown pelicans in louisiana, ok, laugh, they are just birds, but it touches our heart, they are our symbol...

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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 11:00 AM
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31. kick.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 11:28 AM
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32. Can we re-name it the Gulf of Palin?
It's a glimpse into what life would be like if Sarah Palin were in charge of our nation's energy policies. (shudder)
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