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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:54 PM
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NY public schools have $500 to advertise, charter has $325,000 ad budget.
That is the word from GHW Bush's former assistant Secretary of Education, Diane Ravitch.

She was speaking at the hearings held by State Senator Bill Perkins to try and hold charter schools accountable.

From the WP's Answer Sheet:

A hearing held in New York City this week about charter schools sounded more like a brawl than the information-gathering session it was intended to be.

In fact the charter advocates are giving millions to defeat Bill Perkins because he is holding such hearings.

Ravitch's speech should be read in full:

Ravitch's testimony:

Mr. Perkins, you must be a very dangerous and powerful man. Yesterday the tabloids were filled with editorials and articles denouncing you for holding hearings about charter schools; today, there are even more.

If charters are public schools and receive public money, why should they object to oversight hearings by a legally constituted body of the New York State Senate?


I am a historian of education, so allow me to provide a brief overview of the origin of charter schools. Charter schools were first envisioned in 1988 by two men who didn’t know one another. Albert Shanker, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, had the idea, as did Professor Ray Budde of the University of Massachusetts.

Both of them thought that public school teachers could get permission from local authorities to open a small experimental school and then focus on the neediest students. The school would recruit students who had dropped out and who were likely to drop out. It would seek new ways to motivate the most challenging students and bring whatever lessons they learned back to public schools, to make them better able to educate these youngsters. The original vision of charter schools was that they would help strengthen public schools, not compete with them.


Ravitch then points out the very unlevel playing field for public schools that now have to compete with big money while having their own resources drained. The money the public schools need to flourish is being given to the charter schools that compete with them.

Just last month, on March 9, the New York Times described how public schools in Harlem now must market themselves to compete with charter schools for new students.

The regular public schools have less than $500 each to create brochures and fliers; the charter firm with which they compete has a marketing budget of $325,000. That’s not fair. We have seen stories about non-profit entrepreneurs who are paid $400,000 a year or more to run charters for 1,000 children.


This is one of the charter schools referred to in the NYT article. Eva Moskowitz of Harlem Success Academy has a special friendship with the school head.

Harlem charter school head emails show very special access to NY school chancellor


Lombard for News
Success Charter Network founder Eva Moskowitz and NYC Chancellor Joel Klein sharing a laugh during an event.


On Oct. 3, 2008, Eva Moskowitz, a former city councilwoman and head of four charter schools in Harlem, e-mailed schools Chancellor Joel Klein for help. Moskowitz wanted more space to expand her Harlem Success academies and she had two specific public school buildings in mind.

"Those schools are ps194 and ps241," she wrote to Klein. "It would be extremely helpful to move quickly on."

Less than two months later, the Department of Education announced plans to phase out those schools and use the space to expand two Harlem Success academies.


Arne Duncan enabled this tension and competition between public and charter schools....he used money to get his agenda.

From the website of the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools:

May 29: Duncan: "Anti-Charter States Will Lose Stimulus Dollars"

Duncan: Anti-Charter States Will Lose Stimulus Dollars

According to the Associated Press, Education Secretary Duncan said yesterday states that do not embrace charter schools will hurt their chances to compete for millions of federal stimulus dollars. Responding to a question about Tennessee, whose Democratic lawmakers have blocked an effort to make more kids eligible to attend charters, Duncan said: "There are a number of states that are leading this effort, and we want to invest a huge amount of money into them, a minimum of $100 million, probably north of that. And the states that don't have the stomach or the political will, unfortunately, they're going to lose out." Tennessee has one of the most restrictive charter school laws in the country, with the number of charters capped at 50, and only failing students or students at failing schools eligible to attend. Gotham Schools reported that last week Duncan told Congress that he will give preference to states without caps on the number of charter schools. This could put the next round of stimulus funding out of reach for New York, which caps charters at 200 schools statewide.


Public schools do not have the money to compete against this international power play by the charter movement.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 02:58 PM
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1. TAX PAYER DOLLARS ..
How friggen perverse is that ...

Using tax payer dollars to advertise for charters ...

If a public school were to do that, good god almighty would it be lambasted ...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 11:23 PM
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3. And they are going after Perkin's seat....the charter big guys...
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20100314/SUB/303149975

"A likely target is state Sen. Bill Perkins (pictured), D-Manhattan, who has been the Legislature's most outspoken opponent of charter schools. Charter proponents could support a challenger to Mr. Perkins if he doesn't leave Albany to run for Charles Rangel's House seat.

One possible candidate is Brian Benjamin, who runs a fundraising consultancy that works with Harlem political powerhouse Bill Lynch and others. Mr. Benjamin heads various grassroots organizing efforts, including serving as the Harlem representative for President Barack Obama's Organizing for America and helping Mr. Rangel's re-election campaign. A supporter of charter schools, the Harlem native says he is “very seriously considering” a run against Mr. Perkins and could make a decision within weeks.

“If we were even able to put up a credible challenge, it would show everybody that we have some muscle,” says Seth Andrew, superintendent and founder of Democracy Prep Public Schools, who is involved in the effort.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:57 PM
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2. Charters not a panacea...Ravitch
"We have to abandon the naïve belief that charters are a panacea for education; they are not. Since 2003, charter schools have been compared to regular public schools by the National Assessment of Educational Progress, or NAEP, the federal testing program.

In 2003, 2005, 2007, and 2009, NAEP found no significant difference between students in charter schools and students in regular public schools. No significant difference for black students, Hispanic students, low-income students, or students in urban districts. Like Margaret Raymond’s study, NAEP shows that charters, in the aggregate, do not outperform regular public schools.

Some charters are as idealistic as the original vision, but many others now see themselves as competition for public schools. They want to take over public school space and replace public schools. They revel in stories about beating public schools, not helping them"

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/charter-schools/straight-talk-about-charter-sc.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:38 AM
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4. More on how the charter powers that be are going after Perkins.
They are furious over his hearings. Bloomberg is after him.

There is NO MAJOR DEM LEADER supporting public education. In fact some I once supported actually are working for the charter school system.

http://capitaltonight.com/2010/04/bloomberg-vs-perkins/

Bloomberg:

" “Bill Perkins is a guy who went to elite private schools and he represents a districts where most people can’t afford elite private schools and charter schools are their opportunity to get their kids a great education,” Bloomberg told WOR’s John Gambling.

“….The public wants better schools. Charter schools are public schools, and you’ve got to remember: Most of the public schools are not charter schools, and they keep getting better and better. And one of the reasons I think they keep getting better and better is that charter schools give them competition. Competition’s great for everybody, and it’s one of those things we want to encourage.”

“Perkins has been violently against it, while the educators, the public and the parents want more of it.”

The mayor later added:

“Perkins, I just don’t understand where he comes from on some of this stuff. It’s kind of hard to argue. Not every charter school is doing well, but most are. They certainly provide competition and they give parents choice.”

Yes, Michael Bloomberg, some are doing well....but they are depleting the resources of the public schools.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 09:52 AM
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5. I'd like to see a number of states leading the effort to refuse RTTT funds. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 03:18 PM
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10. I read that some unions are fighting back harder.
I hope they can make a difference.
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Ysabel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 10:05 AM
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6. madfloridian do you have...
Edited on Sun Apr-25-10 10:09 AM by Ysabel
a list or good run down covering the points on what is wrong with charter schools and how public schools are suffering? i've looked up several articles and clicked on some of the links from some of your posts - leading to several good sources - however i've not yet been able to compile a well rounded full account as it seems all of this has been happening so quickly and i feel i am missing some vital points i've tried to pass info on to others and have run into arguments that i'm so far somewhat unable to argue against (for example one person who i spoke with said to me "well so and so is very liberal and they think charter schools are great" i responded with something along the lines of "no that's wrong they are not good think about it do you want taco bell or big pharma or weapons manufacturers or walmart etc. running the schools go read about this" they then asked "where"(?) i said "alright i'll find some articles")...

so far though i feel as if i've just become mired in muck every time i've tried to put together a list or whatever / if you have or know of a good source which covers the basics on this (and which highlights major points) i'd really appreciate it...

- thanks...

p.s. it's especially frustrating because the people i've been talking with and trying to convince are liberal (have been democrats all of their lives)...

(typo)

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p.p.s. K and R...

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:28 AM
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8. There are not many speaking out, just a few bloggers.
There are many links in the stuff I have compiled that might help. I found what articles I could from the regular mainstream media, but mostly bloggers who believe in public education. It is very hard to convince anyone because there is NO party taking the side of public education. NO Democrats are supportive of it. It is almost a losing battle.

Here are some links with links and articles.

Taking the "public" out of public schools.....happening quickly.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5680

Faces of school reform. Too many billionaires.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5655

"a great and terrible charade"..school leaders and entrepreneurs triumphant at school closings?
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5640

Discipline methods from a charter school that would get public school teachers in serious trouble.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5623

"Democracy Privatized!"...education blog talks about turning over public functions to “the market”.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5610

Eli Broad: “We don’t know anything about how to teach or reading curriculum or any of that."
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5817

Seems my taxpayer money will be sending many more to private schools....
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5670

Two Florida charter schools in financial crisis. Taxpayer money is paying their debt.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5801

Baton Rouge judges rules it is ok to give taxpayer money to charter schools.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5806

Former GOP insider says "Billionaire Boys' Club" dismantling education.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5787

Boston schools officials: We are not "firing" all teachers, just making them reapply.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5781

1994: Project Censorship The Sandia Report On Education. Showed schools improving. Not published.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5777

WP: It was a "sad, desperate" decision to fire all of R. I. school's teachers.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5765

Parents at PS 15, an "A" school, ask state to intervene in PAVE charter invasion.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5762

Two things: A clear concise indictment of charters, and a Chicago fight to stop school closings.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5754

Harlem charter school head emails show very special access to NY school chancellor
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5748

Living and dying by test scores: a charter faces probation for weeding out problem students.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5738

Charter school exec led hearing to let his school invade a Bronx trade school.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5722

Politically connected NY charter schools to receive 72 million in city money.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5710

Established Bronx trade school may be replaced by untested academic charter school.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5704

A Bad Year for Teachers, a Bad Year for Public Education
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5691

Protesting school closings in Chicago. “They are closing schools without following procedure.”
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5688

KIPP charter school invades NY public school with "A" grade....read the views of both sides.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5684

Florida wants 1 billion of Arne's 4. 3 billion to hire corporate consultants. Unbelievable.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5658

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Ysabel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:03 PM
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18. a belated thank you very much for these links...
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:27 AM
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16. That's how successful the corporate structure has been.
Here on DU, many of the usual progressives stay away from these threads because they secretly buy the claims of bill bennet and new gingrich. They can't bring themselves to align publicly with these scum (though the administration has no problem doing so), therefore they stay away. Sort of like the "liberals" who think the Arizona law is really a good thing and the "progressives" who secretly support scabs in labor disputes. They've allowed their brains to soften up for the corporations and their media machines to massage. As the OP points out, these corporate eduists have plenty of money to buy willing suspension of progressive ideals.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:00 AM
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17. "plenty of money to buy willing suspension of progressive ideals. "
Well said.

And there is not one powerful Democratic leader who is willing to stand up and take the side of teachers.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 11:18 AM
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7. That is sick.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 02:39 PM
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9. They are moving so fast to privatize, and no one is fighting back.
At least not any major politicians whose voice could be heard.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-10 04:46 PM
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11. It is wrong for public schools to be forced to compete with private industry...
and with all the big bucks of Gates, Broad, and Walmart.

What is our party thinking pushing this agenda of privatization?
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:02 AM
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12. Thank you, MadFloridian.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:09 AM
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13. This group has been advertising ad nauseum in NY.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:15 AM
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14. Well, they have big money to do it. Public schools left with little defense.
And that's a shame.

They should not have to compete with big business.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-10 10:15 AM
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15. K & R nt
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