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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:29 PM
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Billions going to Wall Street from transition to charter schools?
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there are almost 7 million teachers employed in the US. If you take 10K off of each teacher's salary (through union busting and charter schools), that leaves 70 billion dollars for hedge funds and Wall Street profit. That is your tax money and ours--70 billion--going to Wall Street.



In 2004, the National Assessment Governing Board (NAGB) released an analysis of charter school performance on the 2003 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), also known as The Nation's Report Card. The report found that charter school students, on average, score lower than students in traditional public schools. While there was no measurable difference between charter school students and students in traditional public schools in the same racial/ethnic subgroup, charter school students who were eligible for free or reduced-price lunch scored lower than their peers in traditional public schools, and charter school students in central cities scored lower than their peers in math in 4th grade.

NAGB looked at the impact of school characteristics and found that:

Charter schools that were part of the local school district had significantly higher scores than charter schools that served as their own district.
Students taught by certified teachers had roughly comparable scores whether they attended charter schools or traditional public schools, but the scores of students taught by uncertified teachers in charter schools were significantly lower than those of charter school students with certified teachers.
Students taught by teachers with at least five years' experience outperformed students with less experienced teachers, regardless of the type of school attended, but charter school students with inexperienced teachers did significantly worse than students in traditional public schools with less experienced teachers. (The impact of this finding is compounded by the fact that charter schools are twice as likely as traditional public schools to employ inexperienced teachers.)
In a study that followed North Carolina students for several years, professors Robert Bifulco and Helen Ladd found that students in charter schools actually made considerably smaller achievement gains in charter schools than they would have in traditional public schools.


http://www.nea.org/charter/index.html

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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:36 PM
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1. You sure know how to pick and choose. The website doesn't substantiate your claim at all.
And neither does the six year old data cited. Sorry, stupid post.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 05:41 PM
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2. What's posted in the OP makes sense.
So you are for charter schools then?
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 06:48 PM
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3. So there are no union teachers in charter schools?
And, yes, I am supportive of alternative education choices, including charter schools in some cases. To broad brush charter schools is pretty narrow minded, IMHO. I guess my perspective is whatever is best for the kids, not the teachers. It seems some are more concerned with their job, which is perfectly understandable, but shouldn't be confused with what's best for the students.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:46 PM
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8. Thanks for explaining your position on the issue.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:45 PM
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7. Data is most recent on hand.
Thank you for kicking my post.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 06:50 PM
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4. knr. nt
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 07:03 PM
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5. Charter Schools just another move to wall street brainwashing of children
Be good little Capitalists!

Work.

Consume.

Die.

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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:45 PM
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6. Yup
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-24-10 06:00 AM
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10. In a nut-shell.
Charter schools use public money, public school classrooms and do not pay the hired help.... errr, teachers nearly as well. Quite often the teachers do not have the classroom experience to do a good job at teaching at charter schools. To say nothing of being expected to teach to the test so that the school gets federal and state money. Nobody really cares what the kids learn as long as they pass the test. That is the primary goal.
The public schools were not dumbing down the kids fast enough to suit the businesses driving down the wages and outsourcing the living wage jobs. Those damn experienced teachers were finding ways to not only get the kids to pass the test, but to actually learn some useful facts and information. Can't be having that now, can we?

Think I'm joking or reality challenged here? Then consider that up till bu$h the lesser, federal government wages were lower than the compatible real world jobs. Now, after bu$h, people are complaining the same federal government jobs pay too much and should be cut back. There has been no real increase in federal workers pay. The real world wages have gone down that much in 10 years.
These 2 subjects, real world wages and charter schools are being driven by the same people and corporations. Low wages means more profit, whether it be charter schools or running a business. Charter schools are a business.

You and I are the frogs in the heating water.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-10 08:48 PM
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9. k&r
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