A little heads up for the Teabagger/Militia folks from one who once packed heat for Uncle Sam.

[11 Bravo]

If you seriously believe that you are capable of going up against the United States government, I would urge you to put your affairs in order, because you will be swiftly and efficiently fragged, tagged, and bagged. The idea that a bunch of rag-tag, candy-ass, drunks believe they could stand up against even a platoon, let alone the full force of the US military is hysterically funny. You have no idea how stupid you appear, prancing through the woods in your cammo, to individuals who have seen real combat. Deal with it, ass-holes. The C-in-C is an African-American. He was democratically elected (in a landslide). All the rest of your whining is bullshit, and you lack even the rudimentary courage to state your true objection to our President.
Fuck it, I haven't worn a green suit for almost 40 years, but I just might re-up for a chance to put one in the ten ring of a few of you jackasses.

[kimmerspixelated]

1. Kicked!

[kentuck]

2. They do look rather silly, don't they?

If everybody in DC were permitted to carry a gun, how many of those would be drug dealers and how many would be gang members? These assholes wouldn't last 10 minutes in such an environment.

[gorfle]

88. Those people already carry!

If everybody in DC were permitted to carry a gun, how many of those would be drug dealers and how many would be gang members? These assholes wouldn't last 10 minutes in such an environment.

Do you honestly believe the drug dealers and gang members are not already presently carrying firearms?

[happygoluckytoyou]

104. if the USA backwoods militia is ever attacked by the Baghdad backwoods militia...we're ready!!!

[martymar64]

170. I'd bet on the Baghdad backswood militia. They've had alot more practice on real targets.

The militias would be sorely outgunned against them or the US military.

A couple of A-10 sorties or an artillery "fire for effect" would pretty much decimate any militia here.

[Warpy]

3. Yeah, I always think of those old boys drunk to the gills

and waddling around in the woods with their pop guns coming up against a tank. Without air support.

[onethatcares]

4. or coming up against the real military technology.

they'd be like those Iraqi farmers in the gunsights of huey copters. I don't think they'd like it too much.

[MattBaggins]

5. Once again: Devils advocate

What kind of idiot would go against the forces directly when you can go after the politicians and leaders?

[KonaKane]

15. Only to have the "forces" come at you anyway?

Once they figure out who you are? Yeah that's gonna work.

[Prof Lester]

85. Just once.

Yeah, they get the first shot. Then.. it's our turn. The big black boot comes down. And I do not mean the black boot of black folks. Nuh-uh. The big black boot of the United States Military, swore to protect the US Constitution and the President.. no matter what. Our men and women are not dying out there so to let a few drunk racist peckerheads attack the President at home. If they think they have a chance, it's because they are not too smart to begin with, they all drunk or on hillbilly heroin, and they are brainwashed by that evil scumbag foreigner Rupert Effing Murdock. And a few greedy homegrown billionaires who are using this whole thing as a scam to increase their wealth even more.

After the first shot.. all bets are off.

[mrcheerful]

6. The only problem is they believe that if they start an armed revolt to take over the US

government the armed services will be joining with them and their just cause. Reality is not one of their strong points.

edited to add a missing s

[nxylas]

164. Any resemblance between their fantasy version of "the troops" and actual troops...

...is purely coincidental. In their world, "the troops" are all aryan supermen ready to take back the homeland from the Kenyan usurper (cos if there's one thing the troops hate, it's an uppity n****r, LOL). One teabagger of my acquaintance posted on his Facebook profile how hard it must have been for "the troops" at John Murtha's funeral to resist firing into his coffin. I dare say there are some members of the armed forces who resent Murtha's desire to hold them accountable when they commit war crimes, but it's scary that these are the ones that teabaggers regard as America's finest, not like those candy-ass fake troops who may actually have voted for Obama and supported Murtha.

[awoke_in_2003]

169. there is Xe...

mercenaries will fire on anyway they get paid to kill- no loyalties.

[slackmaster]

188. They're not planning an armed revolt.

Reality is not one of their strong points.

Apparently not one of your strong points either, "mrcheerful".

[tularetom]

7. Yep and they can give up their fantasies of a military uprising against the president

That just ain't gonna happen.

Just wondering how many of these tough guys have ever been in combat or even served during peacetime.

[pasto76]

56. almost none

at the height of the 2004 campaign, the College republicans at UCCS had a sole and single marine reservist in their ranks.

[Autonomy]

163. Ever see the list of Bush admin chickenhawks?

They were overwhelmingly Vietnam-era, and almost none had served in the Armed Forces. Most got some kind of deferment. I don't think the Teabaggers are any different in that regard.

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

[cliffordu]

8. You and me both, brother.

[hedgehog]

9. I've been looking at the reports on these guys and shaking my head.

Kids used to watch Combat!, Rat Patrol, Baa Baa Black Sheep and Convoy, then go out into the nearest woods and re-enact those adventures. I see photos of guys in their 50's and 60's leading younger kids around and think that some kids never grew up!

[onehandle]

10. Tanks > Gunbaggers. They might as well have pointed sticks. nt

[gorfle]

89. I don't know how you people can make such glib comments.

Tanks > Gunbaggers. They might as well have pointed sticks. nt

Don't you ever watch the news? I mean seriously. These people in the Middle East with "pointed sticks" have kept the United States at war for the last decade without being able to muster a single tank, ship, or aircraft. They've cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives and annihilated much of the infrastructure.

If such a thing happened here it would collapse the economy, and thus the tax base for funding the war, within a week.

[dionysus]

105. these douchebags don't have rpgs and wouldn't know how to make an IED without

blowing themselves up.

[gorfle]

125. Really? Ask Timothy McVeigh.

these douchebags don't have rpgs and wouldn't know how to make an IED without blowing themselves up.

Since RPGs are readily available to drug cartels just south of the border, what makes you think they would not be acquired?

I made RPGs as a kid, and in fact got busted to my parents by a NASA astronaut who was visiting my school who I told about my invention.

Pipe bombs are absurdly simple to build. Thermite is extremely easy to manufacture, as is ANFO.

Hell, just pour brake fluid into swimming pool chlorine and you get spontaneous fire with chlorine gas!

[paulkienitz]

143. they'll learn fast (nt)

[cowman]

192. In Vietnam

the vietcong came up with some really primitive boobytraps that cost my unit several Seabees. You dont have to kill to tie up a full platoon, jsut wound a few and it ties up several other personell taking care of them. Know what the fuck you are talking about before sticking your foot in your mouth

[Abq_Sarah]

148. Most people

Don't understand asymmetric warfare. You don't need tanks and aircraft to take down the opposition.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

11. A squad of fresh PFC's could do the job.

And not suffer a scrape.

[11 Bravo]

13. Now, to be fair, one PFC might laugh so hard that they tripped and suffered a nasty scratch.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

17. Ya got me there.

[pinboy3niner]

21. To be really fair. . .

these yahoos would have to go through state and local law enforcement and the entire Department of Homeland Security before our PFC would be called in.

That probably won't be necessary--but, just in case, she's standing by in a secure, undisclosed location . . .

[Zech Marquis The 2nd]

78. I just happen to be a PFC

While I'll be shipping out to Fort Jackson at the end on May, I can only look at those 50-60 year old teabaggers "packing heat" and Yes I'm a 37 year old going into active duty, but unlike those jokers I've been through MEPS plus I'm actually improving my fitness level beyond what the regular recruit usually has

[uponit7771]

175. +1...lofl!!!

[gorfle]

90. Send them to Afghanistan then!

If they're so all-powerful they should be able to mop up the Middle East in no time.

Oh wait - we've been at it longer over there now than in WWII against two modern nations. Now we're up against an enemy that can't field a single tank, aircraft or ship and we're spending more money and time than it took in WWII to do the job.

[izzybeans]

12. I always imagined that those militia and al qaeda type training videos were sort of like

America's Funniest Home Video blooper reels for real soldiers.

[martymar64]

171. The dreaded Monkey Bars of Mass Destruction!

[izzybeans]

172. Or the dreaded hurdle the fence and mass destroy balls sequence.

"Oh isn't this cute, young boy picked up dad's semi-automatic. Welp looks like he won't be needing that twig and two berries any time soon. Who knew a four year old was such a good shot. At least he was wearing his camo. No one even noticed. Except us. ha ha ha."

[caty]

14. The problem is that

they may not plan on an armed uprising. They might plan events like the Oklahoma bombing. Even then, they could never take over the government. But there could be deaths in large numbers because of these idiots. Even stupid people can kill. Even stupid people can encourage them to kill. It doesn't take brains or common sense. It just takes a handful of crazies with a bomb. They keep saying that this administration is taking away their rights, but they still have the right to get together in groups and be stupid and possibly dangerous.

[unpossibles]

50. ironic considering how anti-terrorist the've tended to be

the past few years.

[Chulanowa]

67. Terrorists are muslims. These are "freedom fighters"

get it right!

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. That would be something to see.

Those likkered-up yahoos running around in the back woods blowing the shit out of an abandoned Chevy Astro van think they're going to take on Uncle Sam?

I'll bet they'd crap their drawers in unison the first time a gummint vehicle came into view.

[rhett o rick]

18. Yeah, David Koresh didnt get far and neither did Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge.

Not that I support the governments actions in those cases but both demonstrated the futility of going against the government.

[SweepPicker]

19. Thanks for your service

and this great thread.

[DeschutesRiver]

41. Ditto on the thanks on both counts, but esp.for your service. nt

[spanone]

20. k&r

[NAO]

22. Rachel Weaver, Ruby-Ridge survivor on gun ownership

In Jon Ronson's book "THEM" he interviews Rachel Weaver, the daughter of the Ruby Ridge massacre survivor Randy Weaver. She was present as a small child when the troops closed in.

She owns lots of guns, and really enjoys firearms. But she has NO DELUSIONS about anyone's ability to "fight the government".

She said, "You can have as many guns as you want. It doesn't matter. If they want to get you, they can just have a helicopter drop a firebomb on your house".

[Old Troop]

23. The militia folks are wannabes

As one 11B to another, it would take all of five minutes to clean out any of these groups. And never forget that the boys and girls on AD have sworn an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies foreign or DOMESTIC.

[gorfle]

92. Then get those boys over to Afghanistan pronto!

As one 11B to another, it would take all of five minutes to clean out any of these groups.

Well damn, you better ship out to Afghanistan pronto and clean out those groups!

[dionysus]

108. why are you trying to put words in peoples mouths?

[gorfle]

126. I don't follow you.

why are you trying to put words in peoples mouths?

I don't follow you.

The fellow was claiming that militia groups could be cleaned out in five minutes.

Since we've been working for years now on such militia groups in Iraq and Afghanistan, I sarcastically suggested that they send such mega-troops over to Afghanistan to clean up the mess.

[Javaman]

159. ...

1) we invaded a foreign country. As the old saying goes, "an invading Army's mission is not to lose, an insurgents mission is to make sure the invaders don't win".

So suppose that an illegal militia, which wouldn't have the support of the general population, starts something, who, do you honestly think the general population will support?

As I wrote in another post regarding peoples ridiculous postulations regarding a "popular uprising", there has to be a massive breakdown in the basic fabric of the American way of life before the general population supports any action by one of these so called "militias".

Let's take a look at the hanetees. The were around for a few years and were completely infiltrated by the FBI.

They had an "early warning system" that completely failed.

One of the morons got away and was later picked up.

They had no training. No platoon level experience or organization. Everyone wanted to be a leader and none wanted to follow. They had various types of weapons (standardized weaponing systems is the mainstay of any good army). They were all out of shape. (the shape one needs to be in to fight in combat is vastly different than a bunch of fools running around in the woods on the weekend playing army man).

If there was such a ground swell of anger in this nation, then why did the other local militia denounce the moron hanetees and then profess their love for the US?

These are nothing more than moronic people pissed off that they aren't getting their way. Rather than using clear reasonable thought to protest their ideas, they choose the shortest route via well planned tantrums to get their way.

Hell, one of the dopes confessed to being part of the hanetees because she thought Obama granted citizenship to a huge group of Hamas. They read some half-witted misspelled mass chain email and they fall for it hook line and sinker. If this is he best that these so called militias can do, we have nothing to worry about.

In the end, comparing the US army using force against a domestic terroristic militia and sending our troops to invade a nation half a world under the guise of saving them, is, as they say, apples and oranges.

[gorfle]

174. Responses.

1) we invaded a foreign country. As the old saying goes, "an invading Army's mission is not to lose, an insurgents mission is to make sure the invaders don't win".

I agree. So far, I'm betting on the insurgents, by the way.

So suppose that an illegal militia, which wouldn't have the support of the general population, starts something, who, do you honestly think the general population will support?

Any rebellion without popular support will fail, of course.

As I wrote in another post regarding peoples ridiculous postulations regarding a "popular uprising", there has to be a massive breakdown in the basic fabric of the American way of life before the general population supports any action by one of these so called "militias".

I agree. However, I don't discount the possibility of such a massive breakdown in the basic fabric of the American way of life. In fact, I anticipate it within my lifetime. I fully expect within my lifetime that the United States is going to be hit with a nuclear or biological weapon in a major city, and the results are going to be absolutely catastrophic, resulting in the American way of life disappearing literally overnight. The first nuke goes off in, say, Atlanta, and every major city in America is going to vacate. Supplies will cease flowing, and food and fuel will dry up within hours. Martial law will be declared. Looting and lawlessness will be unchecked.

Let's take a look at the hanetees. The were around for a few years and were completely infiltrated by the FBI.

They had an "early warning system" that completely failed.

One of the morons got away and was later picked up.

They had no training. No platoon level experience or organization. Everyone wanted to be a leader and none wanted to follow. They had various types of weapons (standardized weaponing systems is the mainstay of any good army). They were all out of shape. (the shape one needs to be in to fight in combat is vastly different than a bunch of fools running around in the woods on the weekend playing army man).

How much training do you think your average Afghan or Iraqi insurgent has? Just because America is in a position where fat white guys can just pretend to play army man doesn't mean that the need for real citizens being real army men won't come to pass. And should it come to pass, I'll take the poorly trained fat white guys over nothing.

If there was such a ground swell of anger in this nation, then why did the other local militia denounce the moron hanetees and then profess their love for the US?

Because there isn't such a ground swell of anger in this nation?

These are nothing more than moronic people pissed off that they aren't getting their way. Rather than using clear reasonable thought to protest their ideas, they choose the shortest route via well planned tantrums to get their way.

Hell, one of the dopes confessed to being part of the hanetees because she thought Obama granted citizenship to a huge group of Hamas. They read some half-witted misspelled mass chain email and they fall for it hook line and sinker. If this is he best that these so called militias can do, we have nothing to worry about.

The good news is, this is not the best armed Americans can do.

[Javaman]

176. Please don't continue to confuse people who live in an occupied country

with a bunch of morons that refuse to use their brains.

apples and oranges.

[azureblue]

107. a bunch of pot bellied

self deluded arm chair warriors. I see the pix of them in public with their guns, and in practically all of them, I see easy ways to take their guns away from them- guns carried in quick draw hip holsters, rifles slung over the back with a nylon strap, not paying attention at all to who is around them. The majority of them, all it would take would be two people, no hitting or violence involved, just one for distraction and the other to grab the gun. The majority of the gun nuts think that merely carrying a gun will protect them from assault. No, dude, you're just inviting it, when a thug sizes you up and sees you as an easy target. If it wasn't for the danger of it, I would love to see a few lefties sneak up on one of the gun nuts and take their gun away from them, slap a peace sticker on their foreheads, dis- assemble the gun and hand it back to them in pieces, just to prove the point.

Oh yeah, I wonder when it will dawn on these idiots that a lefty will shoot back.

[tburnsten]

24. Gotta say

I don't picture any of that silly business going anywhere. I think it will stay at huffing and having outraged demonstrations. No sense in being super-aggressive either. Let 'em act like idiots and blather on about watering the tree of liberty, as if we are anywhere near having a government that requires a violent conflict.

They are only losing support among the population, and our president is doing a superb job. None of the hysterical predictions have come true, he has been eminently reasonable on topics that were actually a serious concern, like gun control, and has really done little or nothing I can think of to lose support.

Fuck 'em. Don't talk like 'em.



I'm guessing you are at least sixty? You wouldn't be running any patrols buddy.

Thanks for your service though, forty years back puts you as a Vietnam vet, man did the general public mistreat you guys when you came home, sorry about that.

[11 Bravo]

26. 60 in January. And yeah, A Shau Valley, 70-71.

[tburnsten]

27. Drats

I was guessing 62.

[era veteran]

48. Thank you for being in that shit hole & glad you made it

What was the forces disposition? We were set up and out general-ed. You guys are my heroes.........11E40W1

[pinboy3niner]

113. Gotta be 101st, right?

Me, '69-'70, 2/501.

[cowman]

193. Dong Ha

U.S. Navy Seabees 69-70

[Aristus]

25. Count me in with you, 11 Bang! Listen up, teabaggers. Former 19Kilo here!

Take up arms against MY country, and I'll go to President Obama that very day, and volunteer to saddle up in one of these:



...and come after your fat, drunken asses!

America! Love it or f*****g LEAVE it!

Go to Somalia, where they don't have taxes or government!

Stay the hell out of my country!

[tburnsten]

28. What's with the cross hairs in the bore of that 120mm?

[Robb]

29. Man you've got good eyes. No idea. nt

[tburnsten]

32. I'd hope so

I'm an Army National Guardsman, and do photography and journalism for them.

It's a great gig, I hope to go active soon so I can do it fulltime, I thrive on doing this all day long. I was considering it before, but Annual Training last year cemented it.

I'm going to finish my divorce and find a slot for a 46 Quebec.

Hopefully in Deutschland, it's a sweet place, and very strategically located for the occasional day off.

[Swamp Rat]

33. It sure is

and you can get cheap flights via KLM (if not for free in a C-130) to many great places, from the Mediterranean to Scandinavia.

I lived south of München.... close enough to visit the hofbrauhaus on weekends.

[tburnsten]

37. Ahh, we had a day in Munchen this past summer

it was great, except that I was supposed to be snagging some photos while we were out, and it rained ungodly amounts that day.

I ended up taking shelter (and brew) in Hofbrauhaus for the remainder of the day, it was incredible.

We were at Hohenfels, with a day spent at Grafenwoehr for a Combat Lifesaver Class, we didn't take the class, but I got to take shots of it.


Every time they have needle sticks it makes for superb photos.

[era veteran]

52. Hohenfels & Graf sure bring back memories

[nebenaube]

99. dirty words...

but I miss many friends from there.

[Aristus]

36. I saw that, but I figured somebody Photoshopped it in for some reason.

Not a clue why...

[Lasher]

51. They're going to shoot a watermellon out the barrel.

This way they slice it at the same time. I thought you guys had been in the military. You should know this.

[era veteran]

118. Witness lines for zeroing main gun

On the 105mm and the 152mm rifled tank cannon these are used in the zeroing process. I assume the new tankers do the same thing on the 120mm smoothbore. This is to do the initial movement of all the cannon sights to the target. Next comes a series of shots to further adjust the sights. IF this is done correctly you should NEVER miss target. Alpha Co 3/3/33/ Armor 3rd AD. I, my crew, shot high tank on Range 42 @ Graf in 1976. We were one of a few units with the brand new M60A2, utilizing the 152mm Shillelagh gun system ( think Sheridan). Not anything as cool as an Abrams but a hell of a MBT. Was stabilized, so shoot on the move, laser range finder, and TC operated target designate. The Russians new we had them up around Bad Hersfeld in the Fulda Gap. Steel on steel at 4400! Reagan didn't end the Cold War WE DID! Former 11EW1 , son of a tanker too. Would love one more day on the range in my life. Hope the baggers aren't down range.

[Lasher]

122. A bore sight. Why of course!

It seems so obvious now that you have revealed its purpose. Lucky you, I wish I could have fired a cannon like that just once. I do believe even in those days you would have had some sophisticated projectiles.

I had my fun with M16 on full auto and live grenades. That was enough for me.

[era veteran]

123. The most fun was shooting at night on a stationary tank range while

ingesting products made by those folks at Sadoz. Wouldn't recommend this for everybody. Tanks for the memories.

[tburnsten]

137. Some tankers were at the range at Fort Knox doing day and night fire

at the same time as my company was doing our FTX at the site maybe two hundred yards from them. It was incredible.

[Aristus]

138. You're thinking of boresighting.

That is done with a special scope inserted into the muzzle of the gun. It looks like a telescope, and doesn't look anything like those crosshairs in the muzzle of the gun in the pic. Anyway, during boresighting, you've always got one crewman on the ground looking through the scope and guiding the gunner onto the target manually so that the gunner can toggle the reticle into the line of fire of the gun tube.

We had boresighting scopes for the 105mm and the 120mm gun, and neither of them looked anything like those crosshairs in the pic...

[era veteran]

145. Not available to us on M60A1 or M60A2 , We used thread & it worked.

It has been well over 30 years since I've done this though. This I know, If you bore sight and zero correctly you can consistently get first round hits. At that time the Red Army utilized burst on target. Commie junk

[era veteran]

181. On further remembering, there was a scope in the gun by the breech block

but the witness lines were still used.

[one-eyed fat man]

182. Boresighting

One of the preparatory steps to calibration of the fire control system is to boresight the main gun and the sights. Normally this is done with an optical device that mounts in the muzzle but can be accomplished by putting threads across the witness marks stamped in the muzzle and using the firing pin hole on the breechblock as the rear sight to align the main gun on the boresight panel.




I was a tanker when the MOS was 11E and retired a 19Z5M after 26 years. and more trips to Graf than I can remember. I did 2 tours in Viet-Nam and was recalled to active duty in 1991 to play in the sandbox.

I am not sure if there were another 'rebellion' it wouldn't tear the Army apart. Remember, the President offered command of all Federal forces to a General, who famously turned him down. Today, we are using his front lawn for a graveyard. There are those on active duty who would as vehemently resist orders to fire on their fellow citizens are there are those who would follow those orders.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

34. Damned Good Point...

Why don't the Teabaggers ever hold up Somalia as a tranquil haven from Big Government?

Could it be the presence of all those pesky African?

[unpossibles]

49. my guess: too many black people

I mean, that would be out of the proverbial racist frying pan to them.

That and the fact that they tend to be mostly cowards pretending to be tough guys.

[Prof Lester]

86. Yeah! What you said!

[TexasObserver]

30. Yes, it's beyond absurd to think these losers could resist military.

These Tea baggers and their associated "militia men" couldn't beat the Boy Scouts in a lashing contest, and they couldn't last 10 minutes in a fight with US military.

[Swamp Rat]

31. Aren't you going to pack heat for Dickhead's Armey?

[madinmaryland]

38. Yeah. Dick Armey's Army of Dicks.

[trusty elf]

68. Hi Swamp Rat!

[SaveOurDemocracy]

133. LOLLL, trusty elf. Where is that interesting wall located? n/t

[trusty elf]

154. Dick Army Bridge

otherwise known as Westminster Bridge in London !

[hvn_nbr_2]

35. Hey, quit picking on Walter Mitty! nt

[glitch]

39. And there's plenty more where that came from. Fools believe their own PR.

One of the worst side-effects of believing propoganda.

[progressoid]

40. Yep. But I don't think they read websites like this.

K/R anyway.

[bjobotts]

42. Agreed.There is a large number of ex-military with weapons to aid our military in putting U down

[bjobotts]

43. Can't U see how petty and pitiful U look parading around with guns trying to create anarchy.

[bjobotts]

44. You'd only be helping build a plutocracy and corporatocracy. I like our government

[bjobotts]

47. It does so much good in our name for our nation and we will keep our democracy alive by voting, not

killing voters. Elections have results and those that nearly destroyed our democracy (the Bushies) were voted out by a landslide majority, so why do you think a minority should be able to impose its will on the majority simply because you didn't get your way. Put the fucking guns down. It will only cause the destruction of our loved ones. We are all in this together and should plan our best progress together with policies that have merit not fear.

Remember, it was hate radio that instigated and started the Riwanda genocide and mass murder. Your tiny gun will only get people killed and if you carry a gun then you'll have a tendency to use it before considering other alternatives.

Palin won't share a stage with any one who is informed enough to rebut her propaganda. Backman cannot debate anyone knowledgeable hiding behind twisted versions of "God's will". She needs a straight jacket with her insanity, and yet you would point guns at her detractors. Don't let your macho egos get out of hand for you are outnumbered ten to one. What the hell do you think would happen by attacking the federal government???...our government...the people's government.

This is not Mayberry anymore...government must expand merely to keep up with population and population must learn how to become in balance with "finite resources". Small weapons murdering will only bring out gangs interested only in their own survival. Learn from Iraq...but first find out its truth.

[dionysus]

102. why do you talk to yourself?

[DevonRex]

189. I've always wondered that myself.

I talk to myself, too, but I don't actually transcribe my conversations with me.

[jwirr]

45. Thank all of you for a great post. What these idiots do not realize is

that they are doing the one thing that could lead to taking their guns - threatening the dully elected government.

[Hubert Flottz]

81. You are exactly right...

The militant teabragger's stupidity puts every sportsman in the country who owns a firearm in a bad light. When I take my guns out of the house it's either to go hunting or to go to the rifle/pistol range.

I thought my vote was the weapon that took care of politics for me. That idea was kind of dampened when the SCOTUS swiped our votes in Bush vs Gore. Dampened but not wiped out.

It asks you if you are sane when you fill out your papers as you purchase a gun...but we have seen how the republicans in Washington lie about everything else, so I'm guessing they'd lie about their mental stability too, even under oath.

Gun Salesman...(Are you Crazy?"
Gonzo...("I don't Recall!")
Gun Salesman...("Are You A Felon?")
Gonzo...("I Don't Recall!")
Gun Salesman...(Are You Addicted to Drugs or Do You Have A Drinking Problem?")
Gonzo...("WINO!")

BTW...Most of the folks I know who feel a need to carry guns all the time, are cowardly types.(folks with battleship mouths and rowboat asses)

[whoneedstickets]

46. Wait, my RKBA and anti-registration phobia is all about resisting tyranny...

...The REAL reason we have the 2nd amendment, is to defend the others from our own government if it turned to tyranny! That's why they can never know who has guns!

[jmowreader]

53. I don't think they'd go up against a platoon

Why go out and get any of OUR troops killed going up against teabaggers? God invented the 81mm mortar for a reason.

[cynatnite]

54. I'm not the least bit concerned about some wannabees...it's the 1 that scares me...

That's what Timothy McVeigh was and look at what he did.

[lonestarnot]

55. Democracy isn't in their vocab and certainly not on their agenda and I will also re-up.

[uberllama42]

57. Seventeen years ago Monday, we learned what happens

For better or worse, a bunch of guys with M4's in their basements are not going to overcome the U.S. military. Whether its power is being used for good or ill, our military is the single most powerful organization on the planet.

[scribble]

58. Star Trek said it best ...

Anybody remember that twenty year old episode where Data lands on a planet of good, hard-working people threatened by a race of aliens? Should the good people evacuate or should they stay and fight? They decide to stay and fight the aliens when they finally arrive. Data urges them to leave. Data comes close to becoming frustrated -- probably a little like Barack Obama is these days.

Finally in the climactic scene, Data uses a single blast from a phaser to blow up their water recycling plant. Then he turns to the crowd of people still ready to fight, and explains that the aliens will orbit their planet far out of range, fire on them, and they will all die not even seeing their faces. That they have no chance.

That's the way the NRA and the teabaggers strike me. They don't understand the problem. Algebra and chemistry are far more effective weapons against sophisticated technically-flush adversary than a whole garage full of nonsensically-named sawed-off large-caliber rifles loaded with soggy self-packed ammunition. They haven't a chance.

But that's not the point. These people don't care about logic. They don't care about reality. They only want to brandish their silly guns, to hate people they don't know, and they only want their way. Sooner or later, they will all get themselves arrested or killed.

sc

[gorfle]

93. Star Trek is =fiction=

That's the way the NRA and the teabaggers strike me. They don't understand the problem. Algebra and chemistry are far more effective weapons against sophisticated technically-flush adversary than a whole garage full of nonsensically-named sawed-off large-caliber rifles loaded with soggy self-packed ammunition. They haven't a chance.

Riddle me this, then, Batman: Why is it that it has taken us longer and more money to overcome the fighters in the Middle East than it did for us to overcome two modern nations in WWII, when the folks in the Middle East can't field a single tank, aircraft, or ship?

Honestly folks start spouting off this "nobody has a chance against the might USA!" crap I have to wonder if you people ever turn on the damn news?

The damn Vietnamese brought the war hammer down on the US along a trail using broken-down bicycles!

[LiberalArkie]

96. Go back and watch the WW2 movies. We leveled Germany.

We bombed the heck out of them, we killed women, children. We did not care. That is how you do it fast. In Vietnam we did not do it like that. We wanted to "pacify" the enemy, just like in Irag and Afghanistan. It takes a lot longer than just destroying everything.

[gorfle]

100. You are absolutely correct.

In WWII, there was no press to instantly report and show the atrocities of war.

But today, any major attack is instantly broadcast around the world in 15 minutes on CNN. Consequently there is no political will to use such brute force anymore. This makes asymmetrical warfare even more possible, as we have seen world-wide since Vietnam. It is even MORE possible for rebellions at home where annihilation of one's own infrastructure is not desirable.

[Sheepshank]

121. YES..there is something to think about

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are two more examples of a quick way to end a war...but is it the right thing to do? Will terrorist, Al Quaida, give up, capitulate and wave the white flag because a million of their own have been annihilated? Strategy doesn't always dictate that the biggest bombs be used.

[gorfle]

129. Right or wrong doesn't matter.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are two more examples of a quick way to end a war...but is it the right thing to do? Will terrorist, Al Quaida, give up, capitulate and wave the white flag because a million of their own have been annihilated? Strategy doesn't always dictate that the biggest bombs be used.

There are only two ways to win a conflict through military means:

1) Destroy the enemy's ability to fight.
2) Destroy the enemy's will to fight.

Aside from the moral abhorrence of killing innocent civilians, right or wrong doesn't matter. The United States will not use military force to achieve either of the two above conditions, because of the political fallout. Al Queda knows this. This is why we will never win over there. Trying to fight this war as a police action simply inflames the opposition, and rallies more supporters to their cause. Consequently it is a war of attrition, that we will eventually lose.

At present all we are doing is stoking the enemy's will to fight.

[Aviation Pro]

59. Amen, brother.....

...it should not be lost on the teafuckers that they were "forced" to have their weapons yellow-flagged at their silly, little muster of 75 "softened" souls.

Afterall, yellow is the color of cowardice.

[Skittles]

60. just so you know

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/tea_p...

[lonestarnot]

63. The setter upper retracted and site disappeared.

[byronius]

61. What a great post.

So weird how ignorant of the basics of this nation they are. Or of the abilities of the average American citizen (who doesn't ever swagger or display baboon-like aggression) to swiftly rise to the occasion when called upon.

If they actually attempted to overthrow this nation by force, they would imagine themselves victorious, and find themselves unmanned and humiliated.

And I'll be right there beside you, sir.

[man4allcats]

62. Love it! K&R!

A truly great post! I'm bookmarking this one, not in my DU bookmarks but in my personal bookmarks. There are a few freeper assholes I want to pass this along to!

[MrScorpio]

64. Damn Skippy, brother

Damn skippy

[BlueCollar]

65. This vet is on board

But since these candy asses probably won't go near water there's not much this sailor can do to help.

[onestepforward]

66. Most excellent post.

Thank you

[Vinca]

69. Delete

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[dbmk]

75. The moment you try to overthrow government..

.. you sort of stop being "it's people". And becomes a domestic enemy. Now, remember that oath you swore? Still standing by it or not?

[Enthusiast]

94. No, we would like

our military to put down any armed insurrection that would be based on lies and misinformation by the president's political opposition.

These outrageous lies are what has inspired this unreasonable hatred of the President, that and his ethnicity.

Tea Party "patriots" are even fired up and angry about what they claim Obama is 'going' to do, like take away their guns, despite every bit of evidence to the contrary.

I'm sorry but this is how unreasonable we thinking people see the Tea Bags.

The claims that President Obama is a sort of stealth Muslim, America hating, socialist, non-citizen, fascist or communist are simply complete fabrications. The president has taken no action at all to reinforce these incredibly stupid allegations. Take health care reform for example. It is hardly a 'government takeover' as characterized by Republicans and Tea Bags. The private insurance industry remains completely intact.

Most of us on the DU are very disappointed that the HCR bill does not go far enough toward a European type medical delivery system. We voted for Obama thinking we would get a strong public option. That is called 'representative government'. We elected Obama. He did not take power by force. We can be disappointed in Obama but this disappointment should hardy inspire armed insurrection against the government.

The actual problem these "patriots" have with President Obama has more to do with his political party, his middle name and the color of his skin than any tangible action or agenda on his part.

[BobbyBoring]

97. There is

actually a bill in the works to take away hand guns and semi automatic weapons, one of their big fears. The sponsors?? John Sydney Maverick McCain and Jumpin' Joe Lieberman. One would need the capacity to do research to find that out and these people aren't long on that! When you're knowledge is spoon fed to you 24/7 by people who are part of the problem, thinking becomes unnecessary.

[Enthusiast]

139. Well there is no thinking,

that is for sure.

[JNelson6563]

71. Snap!

Bitches.

[malaise]

72. Bravo!!!!!!!!!!

Rec

[Jester Messiah]

73. oh, but haven't you heard? We liberals are too scared of guns to own any!!

That shit cracks me up every time I see it. Note to the repugs: You don't have to be conservative to own a gun, you just have to be a conservative if you think it makes your dick any bigger.

[tomm2thumbs]

74. nice sentiments

but the crazy ones do a lot of damage unfortunately and really have lost their sense of reason - they are stupid enough & bratty enough to drag the entire bedroom into the bath with them while kicking and screaming on the way to the tub. They do not want to take a bath and they will let everyone know it.

I just hope they can intercept the ones that do the stupidest things because they won't win, but they can cause lots of heartless damage

[Hubert Flottz]

76. More like RamButts Than Rambos...

We need a boot camp for the teabraggers...where they get to know a number 12 boot in the ass as their new mommyfigure.

The teabraggers couldn't survive a week of Army chow...

A couple of years of Kilo Papa and a few hundred nights of Golf Delta might turn them boyz to men, but I doubt it. We called guys like that "Recycles" or "DUDs" back in the day.

[Bobbie Jo]

77. Kick ass post.

K&R

[madokie]

79. One of the guys I used to work with would spend his weekends at a paintball course

and come back monday all bravado kick assing and all the shit. Once he asked me if I wanted to go with him. I simply said after having spent 15 months in a war being shot at with real bullets why would I want to go play war then I laughed. He was a worm then and he's still a worm now

[tomp]

80. jackasses they are, but...

....I think George III may have said something similar. You also might want to ask the vietnamese, iraqis, and afghanistanians about the futility of resistance.

[plantwomyn]

110. I don't think the OP was about the futility of resistance.

I think it's about giving the Teabaggers a heads up. They act as if they own the slogan "We the People". They forget that WE are ALL the People. The majority of the People of this country disagree with their beliefs. We too are armed and we will stand against THEIR tyranny.
I had to laugh when the news reports came out about the arrests of the Militia in Michigan and Ohio. There is a Youtube video of one of their buddies listening to the police band and loading his guns. The first thing that came to my mind was WTF your guns aren't loaded?
These "Militia" idiots were arrested with NOT A SHOT FIRED! These guys ran around in the woods with guns "training" for their "mission". They couldn't even start to resist the FBI and the ATF who have "rules of engagement"
"We the People" on the other hand have no such limitations on our actions. I live 5 miles south of the Michigan border. If they start running around my neck of the woods they will be the ones wishing the government was protecting them.
So I will chime in with my warning to the Teabaggers that hold up posters that say "We came unarmed this time". Dykes have guns too buddy and we don't have beer bellies to drag around. What should scare you more is that I'm a crack shot with a bow too. So if you come running around in my neck of the woods, you better look very closely up in every tree. Silent death may be waiting.

[CUTTIN HEADS]

82. No Shit

Most of those fuckers couldn't even earn a 'bolo' badge...Chicken hawks, just like their former CIC.. I live in a Red-as-hell state for years...Christ, they're still flying the Southern battle flag downtown...and yeah, it's all in the name of "historical preservation". Fuck 'em...like you said bro' it's been a good long while since I wore the OD's...but I'd do it again in a minute to whip up on some of these armed, loud mouthed, cammo wearing dipshits who think they know how to rock and roll...
Yeah, I'm pissed. I have 5 sons who are prey for these fuck-tards. I swore that after my run-in in SE Asia, I'd never own another gun, and live peacefully ...well, the times they are a'changin'.

[greiner3]

83. I've got problems with;

How many of the current US military might just join the 'Other side' in a fight.

Petreaus for junta leader?

Just saying.

[DemoTex]

84. " .. rag-tag, candy-ass, drunks .."

Exactly. Every single ex-military type that I have known that has gone over to the ultra-right militia side has been anti-social and a very, very heavy drinker. Alcoholic dementia, perhaps? Death wish?

[gorfle]

87. They seem to be doing a fair job in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If you seriously believe that you are capable of going up against the United States government, I would urge you to put your affairs in order, because you will be swiftly and efficiently fragged, tagged, and bagged.

The Vietnamese seemed to have made a pretty good go of it against the United States. The Afghans seem to have made a pretty good go of it against the USSR. The Mogadishus seem to have made a pretty good go of it against the United States. The Iraqis and Afghans seem to be having a pretty good go of it against the United States.

And none of these fights actually directly affected the tax base of the technologically superior nation at war like an at-home rebellion would.

Besides, no matter what the odds, what is the alternative? To submit peacefully in the face of oppression without even an attempt to resist?

The C-in-C is an African-American.

My stance on this issue has nothing to do with the color of the president's skin. I voted for Obama. This has nothing to do with the Constitution, the second amendment, nor the reasoning of the founders when they wrote them.

[plantwomyn]

116. The alternative is a Constitutional Republic. VOTE!

"Besides, no matter what the odds, what is the alternative? To submit peacefully in the face of oppression without even an attempt to resist?

You seem to think that the only way to shut down "an at-home rebellion" is the military. You forget that there are citizens in this country that will put down that rebellion. These people are domestic terrorists. The true "militia" in this nation are those of us who will stand against these terrorists.
Wolverines!

[gorfle]

124. Yes, of course we vote.

Yes, of course we vote.

The question is, what happens if voting no longer works? This is the eventuality under discussion.

[fascisthunter]

91. bravo!

and no, that wasn't an intentional play on your name. Thank you as well for your service.

[Javaman]

95. well, if there needs to be an example of just how ill suited the ball lickers are...

I think the Hanetee (sic) militia is a perfect example.

These supposed home town GI Joes, trained for many a weekend by playing army man in the local woods. They even were supposed to have an "early warning system". LOL

That failed miserably.

that group of morons, like most of the ball lickers, are high on the image, machismo and ego and very low on the brains, exercise, and actual training.

They love to talk a great game, but when it comes down to reality, they crumble like the worthless morons they are.

The bottom line is: They would rather solve their problems with bullets then with brains. all you need is finger and a gun. Most people have 10 fingers, but all of us only have one brain. Sadly, the ball lickers enjoy using their fingers more than they enjoy using their brain.

[lumberjack_jeff]

98. I don't think the last sentence is helpful.

As much as I share the sentiment... it's more like something I'd read elsewhere.

[Divine Discontent]

158. exactly... I don't like the last sentence. It's BS-gun thuggery. I understand the sentiment behind

it, that these a-holes are runnin' around playing in their cammo, or how did he put it, "candy ass" "prancin" through the woods...

[LetsgoWings13]

101. somewhat like the chances of a rebel group against the British Empire ;)

[driver8]

103. One of the greatest posts I have ever read!

Thanks for the laugh this morning!

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[Fumesucker]

109. The OP to whom you are replying has been out for nearly forty years as he mentioned

IOW Learn to fucking read.

[icee]

114. I don't care if he's been out 600 years. Speaking with obvious

delight about blithely killing American citizens is somewhat unusual. Maybe he and you should have been at Kent State on one sad Ohio day many years ago.

[Fumesucker]

119. Now who is wishing for violence?

The kids shot at Kent State were unarmed, there is a difference between protest and armed insurrection.

Here is the mentality we are dealing with ..

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,982270...

(Rush Limbaugh) says. "I tell people don't kill all the liberals, leave enough around so we can have two on every campus; living fossils, so we will never forget what these people stood for."

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[icee]

111. Excellent, halo. I too was in the military. I got out in 67 after a four-year

stint. I did enough killing to last me forever. I would not want this person anywhere near me on patrol--or anywhere else, for that matter.

[TacticalPeek]

112. Roger that.

Nevertheless, FTA.

[valerief]

115. Made me laugh! But you're absolutely right!!! nt

[miscsoc]

120. they should remember the civil war

and who won.

[rtassi]

127. Author ... Author ... Truth a rare commodity these days Thank you!

[YOY]

128. Oh please let me Caddy for when you do re-up. Not into shooting but I can carry a ruck like no one.

It'd be nice just to watch.

[Joey Liberal]

130. I'm with 11 Bravo

Fuck those Tea Bagging pussies.

[NanceGreggs]

131. Oh, yeah!!!

K&R!!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

132. The thought of you fraggin', baggin', and taggin' after re-upping to shoot Americans in their

ten ring was funny yesterday. I pictured a 60 year old limping around tossing grenades and shooting at imaginary enemies while screaming "ya want some? come GET some!". Laughed... thought I'd die.

Today after reading the replies of those who cheer the notion of shooting other Americans? Well, not so much.

This Veteran thinks you're an ass for posting such tripe.

[11 Bravo]

167. What oath did you take, "veteran"? Mine was to defend against all enemies ...

foreign and DOMESTIC. A group of racist, shitheads threatening armed insurrection against the duly elected Command Authority qualifies, at least in my mind. And yeah, I WOULD try to re-up in order to protect my Commander-in-Chief, although as you so sweetly put it, I'm way too old. Nowhere did I say I would enjoy it, I said I'd do it. That was pretty much the mantra of the combat infantryman: "You don't have to like it, just fucking do it!" (And although I still I still carry enough frag to set off an airport metal detector, I don't limp. How was your war, hero?)
Now, go back to laughing till you think you'll die.

[cherokeeprogressive]

168. Stop it. You're killing me...

You're right, you didn't say you'd enjoy it, but you said you'd re-up for a chance to put one in the ten ring of a few... Let's hope you never get the chance, hotshot.

You almost make me sorry I served during peacetime. Almost. How was my war? Damn, I wasn't lucky enough to have one. That doesn't make me any less of a veteran than you. You go on with your bad self though. Maybe you'll be fraggin', taggin', and baggin' and putting a few rounds in the ten rings of American citizens before you know it. Those boogeymen you're afraid of just might come to your neighborhood and say the wrong thing. It could happen... Then you could re-up to protect the Commander-in-Chief. Boy, you'd be shittin' in tall cotton then, wouldn't ya?

[11 Bravo]

173. Sarah, is that you? I don't know anyone else who can't pronounce, let alone type ...

the final "g". The "wouldn't ya" was pretty folksy, too.
You're not really worth the time, but I'll try once more. Barack Obama is my President. Individuals threatening armed insurrection against the legitimate government of the United States should be ... what? Reasoned with? Asked nicely to not revolt? Are you even aware that that's what is being proposed? Try to put aside your own sweaty fantasies vis-a-vis a situation you know nothing about long enough to realize that no one who has ever seen combat wishes to do so again ... hotshot. But if you believe it's not called for in the case I outlined and one that the miltia/teabaggers champion, then maybe we swore a different oath.
Now, take your boogeymen and your tall cotton and stick them wherever you think they'll do the most good.

[cherokeeprogressive]

178. Of which "threats" do you speak?

Are you saying that there have been OVERT threats that armed insurrection will be used against the United States government? Really? Since you made the claim, could you point me to a single instance of such a threat? And don't tell me to read anything into the words they use. I'm talking about a real language threat. Individuals threatening armed insurrection against the legitimate government of the United States should be... arrested or at the very least questioned. That's what they should be. Until the first shot is fired, it's merely a law enforcement issue.

I'm actually surprised that a combat hardened individual such as yourself would get in such a tiff over a bunch of rag-tag, candy-ass drunks, prancing through the woods in their camo, who could be squashed by a single platoon. I don't know... maybe you figured some tough talk from a combat hardened soldier was what was needed in this instance and would set the whole situation to right. You sure are putting a lot of stock in something I find to be more of a nuisance than anything else though.

In spite of all your bluster, the situation is thus: Until a shot is fired, they are nothing more than American citizens with a different opinion than ours. Until a shot is fired, no fragging, tagging, or bagging is warranted. No treason or sedition has occurred. No one has broken any law that hasn't been held accountable for breaking said law. None of you Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, or Marines who haven't put on a uniform in nearly four decades need to worry about re-upping in an effort to save the Republic from a bunch of rag-tag, candy-assed drunks who prance through the woods in their camo, and could be squashed by a single platoon. In fact, there isn't even reason to go to the range and practice putting rounds in the ten ring because these fools pose no real danger other than shooting themselves in the foot or accidentally hitting an innocent person with a stray bullet due to their relative inexperience with firearms compared to the likes of you. And THAT, my friend, is nothing more than a law enforcement issue. I recited the same fucking oath you did, and in the case you outlined, I don't believe fragging, bagging, tagging, and putting rounds into the ten rings of American citizens is warranted.

The boogeymen will not hurt you. Barack Obama is every Americans president. My sweaty fantasies do not involve things like combat, fragging, bagging and tagging, or rounds in ten rings. Those statements are all true. Accept them.

[freedommachine]

134. A lot of you sound just as hateful as

these right wing protesters. The media on both sides are stirring the pot on this one. Thanks a lot for acting a lot like the assholes you hate some much.

[HALO141]

155. x 1,000,000,000 n/t

[slackmaster]

186. DING DING DING! "The media on both sides are stirring the pot on this one."

Is the correct answer!

[makemyday]

135. Tyrany or Liberty

While the stated futility and stupidity of any American citizen (or anyone else, for that matter) considering themselves capable of militarily going up against the United States government is a given, it is essential that we all keep in mind the wise words of Thomas Jefferson: "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Perhaps those who have gone off course and feel otherwise are in need of an attitude adjustment.

[county worker]

136. I was discharged in 1968 but would love to go on a search and destroy against the Oklahoma militia.

I would only want it to be war games. I'm not into killing these days. But just think what fun a war game would be going against the militias.

I understand the posts thinking the OP is just as bad as the militias. But the main point is that the militias are ridiculous, you know as well as I that us 60 somethings will not go back into uniform to kill militiamen. Get a life!

[slackmaster]

190. A paintball match would be kind of fun, I think

[orbitalman]

140. Kicked Hard. nt

[jaysunb]

141. " fragged, tagged, and bagged "

I haven't heard that for 45 years, but it still resonates.

Oh yes: candy asses is another oldie that is more than appropriate for this crowd. I'd re up today to have a chance at these assholes.

Great post !

[booley]

142. Unfortunately that is not how they would probably do it.

Most civil wars nowadays aren't head on battles. They are asymmetrical warfare. They are assassinations and snipers and bombs that take out day cares because they are too close to government buildings.

In short, it's terrorism.

These guys probably still won't won but there will be a lot of collateral damage (i.E. Dead People) as a result none the less.

BTW, I hate to say but I doubt your words will mean much to the people you are talking too. They think the military will side with them.

[slackmaster]

187. 11 Bravo is apparently not familiar with the Posse Comitatus Act

The military cannot enforce civil law here.

US citizens who are accused of crimes have certain rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

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[spin]

149. Your post is so disgusting that it doesn't deserve a reply ...

I don't support tea baggers or militia movements but the idea of sponsoring a gathering of U.S. citizens and then killing them with air strikes and artillery smells of Hitler's Germany.

Would the members of the military who perform the attacks also wear an emblem with two white oblique Sig Runes on black like the SS?



I sincerely hope you were joking. Your statement might be read by a lurker and used as an example of how progressive Democrats feel about militia members or other people who disagree with our party.

I may not agree with a persons views and in some cases I might wish that the government carefully watches the individual and the organizations he belongs to. If the person or his organizations are planning attacks against our government, they deserve arrest and trial and possibly imprisonment depending on the results of the trial.

[DirkGently]

146. Breath of fresh air

. . . in an atmosphere of relentless rhetoric insisting that rightiest rightwingers somehow represent all military and law enforcement personnel.

Obviously, they don't.

[PinkFloyd]

147. I think that very thought everytime I hear them talk about militias & challenging the gov.

They don't understand that even if they want to overthrow the government or challenge it with state-run militias, they can't. They don't seem to understand that what they're talking about amounts to "I'll grab my shotgun and take on an Abrams or Apache." Don't they remember what happened to all those Iraqi soldiers who fought? Those guys at least had tanks, machine guns, and some combat training and none of that made any difference at all for them. How do they think they'll fare better?

[BrklynLiberal]

150. What is truly sad and scary about these wackos is that they usually go for unarmed, civilian targets

They do not have the huevos to go after a real military installation! I think even they know that they would be blown away in seconds.

Better to kill and maim innocent children and other civilians. That is how "courageous" they are.

[Myrina]

151. ... and that's exactly what they want to happen ....

... so they can 'declare' that their 'freedoms' have been violated and they've been unfairly strong armed by the socialist Obama military.

Smoke 'em while ya got 'em folks, we're on our way to Crazytown.

[pundaint]

152. You War Heads think it's about winning. How's that working out in Iraq or Afghanistan? The loss

occurs at the commencement of the fighting, after that, it's only a question of which side is the biggest loser. The real tough guys resolve the conflicts with negotiation, but that's too hard for many.

[Tx4obama]

153. On another note

Military Political Affiliation Shifts: Fewer U.S. Troops Identify As Republicans

A new Military Times survey finds that fewer American troops identify as Republicans.

According to the survey of 1,800 troops released on Monday, the number of active service members self-identifying as Republican has fallen by one-third since 2004, with 9 percent of that drop-off occurring in the last year.

Military Times reporter Brendan McGarry writes: "These career-oriented officers and mid-grade and senior enlisted members are still far more conservative than liberal, but they are less likely today to identify with the GOP, the survey shows."

Rest of article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/12/military-polit...

[deaniac21]

156. We need to remind them that Waco can easily happen again.

[HALO141]

157. You say that like it's something to be proud of. n/t

[deaniac21]

160. Got rid of a bunch of them.

[HALO141]

165. So... That's how we do it now?

We simply get rid of people who don't agree by incinerating them?

Lovely.

[cherokeeprogressive]

166. Them AND their children, apparently. After all, the children of those foolish people deserve to die

as well, right? They're probably already brainwashed beyond the point of bringing them back from the dark side.

Frag 'em, tag 'em, and bag 'em. Adults and children alike. That's what the good DU'ers say anyway.

[cowman]

194. So according

to you the children deserved to be incinerated also? You are one sick individual. As a Vietnam Vet and a Firefighter/Paramedic for 35 years, I've seen what fire does to humans and it is a horrible way to die or be injured, wishing this on anyone means you have got to be mentally disturbed and warped

[freedommachine]

180. This statement is unbelievable,

I cannot believe that there is some much ignorance and hate on this forum. If cooler heads on either side of these issues do not prevail, we are all going to lose big time.

[Autonomy]

161. Yup. K&R. That's all.

[Tippy]

162. K&R

[Lagomorph]

177. Guerrilla warfare...

...is not a stand up battle, it's hit and run. By the time the troops arrive, guerrillas are long gone.

For all our military power, we can't secure a third world country, something like the continental United States would be very difficult to control.

If history is any example, say from Vietnam, while the troops are out securing one hot spot, other guerrillas are going after the troops families back in their hometowns.

We'd be hard pressed to keep an interstate highway open across the country. 3000 miles of highway would absorb a lot of resources, if it were contested.

Generally, a civil war would suck and it's something that should be avoided.

[PavePusher]

179. The openly displayed bigotry and rage in this thread...

dwarfs anything I've seen at Tea Party rallies.

Pretty fucking disgusting coming from the party that claims to be more enlightened and inclusive than the opposition.

I am ashamed for all of us.

[slackmaster]

185. Left-wing authoritarians think they are somehow morally superior to right-wing authoritarians

The lack of insight cuts both ways. The symmetry is nearly perfect.

[Scurrilous]

183. Kick

[slackmaster]

184. What a nice, uplifting authoritarian message to find on a supposedly open-minded, progressive board!

A left jackboot up your ass feels no better than a right jackboot up your ass.

Authoritarians of all stripes suck.

I wonder if 11 Bravo typed that with one hand.

[DevonRex]

191. I haven't carried a weapon for a long time. But I'm beginning to get the urge.

Especially since my teabagger relatives are now stockpiling supplies and ammo. They've already got enough guns among them for several platoons.