Ed Schultz is Killing

[live love laugh]

"Dan" a Teapartier/RWer (can't make up his mind) is going toe to toe with Ed about what the difference is between the Teaparty and being Republican. Dan starts talking about taxes and Ed immediately challenges him saying that Obama has cut taxes for all but those making 250k+. Ed then says he's going to play a clip where Obama talked about this yesterday. Dan said "I don't care to hear it." Ed said "Well I do" and he played it...again. He had played it less than a half hour ago.

Ed Schultz is doing a phenomenal job. He also won't let up on Faux lying/denying that they ever claimed Obama's Health Care Plan would result in jailing American citizens.

[glinda]

1. That is what the Media should be doing.

[tridim]

2. I think Ed is sensing the same thing I am.. The tea party is OVER.

The teabaggers have already jumped the shark and are now flailing for relevancy swimming in the tank.

Ed is the biggest shark, and he's taunting the teabaggies before going for the kill.

[monmouth]

3. I agree. When Fox pulled Hannity back home that was a big indicator..n/t

[louis-t]

4. I need proof that jail time is not in the bill.

The teabaggers in my office are screaming that it's true. I need to prove it to them. Can't find it online.

[Jim__]

7. Can those teabaggers point to the part of the bill that declares it a crime punishable by ...

... imprisonment? If it's not in the bill, then it's not true. You can just state that this rule is not part of the bill. If they're right, they should be able to cite the Section, paragraph, etc, that declares this to be so.

[louis-t]

14. They can't, they swear they've read it.

But they know it's in there because fox wouldn't lie to them, right?:eyes:

[DoBotherMe]

8. From the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation

http://www.jct.gov/publications.html?func=startdown&id=3673

Individuals who fail to maintain minimum essential coverage in 2016 are subject to a penalty equal to the greater of: (1) 2.5 percent of household income in excess of the taxpayer's household income for the taxable year over the threshold amount of income required for income tax return filing for that taxpayer under section 6012(a)(1);67 or (2) $695 per uninsured adult in the household. The fee for an uninsured individual under age 18 is one-half of the adult fee for an adult. The total household penalty may not exceed 300 percent of the per adult penalty ($2,085). The total annual household payment may not exceed the national average annual premium for bronze level health plan offered through the Exchange that year for the household size.

This per adult annual penalty is phased in as follows: $95 for 2014; $325 for 2015; and lowest $50. The percentage of income is phased in as follows: one percent for 2014; two percent in 2015; and 2.5 percent beginning after 2015. If a taxpayer files a joint return, the individual and spouse are jointly liable for any penalty payment.

The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner.

Dana ; )

[dccrossman]

11. Awesome

I didn't realize that they weren't really enforcing it at all.

[Stevepol]

13. Thanks. The words of the bill specifically limit the government in punishing those in arrears.

The penalty is to be assessed wholly through taxes and "it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner."

There can't be "liens or seizures" of property.

And if a person doesn't comply with the requirements, he or she "is not subject to criminal or civil penalties," which pretty much covers it. No jail time, no additional fines or penalties. Even more, "interest" is not added to the tax penalty no matter how long it takes the person to pay up.

Does anybody see "jail time" in there anywhere? Maybe those crack investigative reporters at Fox have found evidence elsewhere in the bill, maybe in the fine print at the bottom of the page that is so "fine" that it has achieved invisibility.

[louis-t]

16. They are now backpedaling, saying "we never said that"

Their loyal subjects will believe them, cuz, like, fox would never lie to them.

[louis-t]

15. Thank YOU!!!!

:D

[rfranklin]

9. Many many federal laws threaten jail time which is rarely given...

They should suck it up and act like adults.

[dccrossman]

10. Turn that around

Have them show you the jail time in the bill.

The only way they stretch logic to get to "jail time", is by guessing that a failure to pay the fee for not getting health insurance to lead to jail time for tax evasion.

Send them this too:
http://mediamatters.org/research/201004150091

[louis-t]

17. Thanks, saved this as well.

We gotta educate these people. Doing my best.

Oh, also asked them "if fox is lying to you about this, what else are they lying about?"

[meeshrox]

12. Precisely what Jim said...

The burden of proof is on them, not you!

[NJmaverick]

5. Go Ed!

[niceypoo]

6. Palin, Bachmann, Dick Army, Glen Beck......FOX news....

...Sean Hannity, various GOP senators...

Nope, not a republican movement!!

[donheld]

18. Rock on Ed