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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:03 PM
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BREAKING: Obama says he'll veto a financial regulatory bill that doesn't control derivatives
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Veto Threat!
David Kurtz | April 16, 2010, 1:57PM
Obama says he'll veto a financial regulatory bill that doesn't control derivatives. More soon ...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/04/veto_threat.php?ref=fpblg




Obama: I'll Veto Financial Reform Without Derivatives Regulation
ERICA WERNER | 04/16/10 01:56 PM |

WASHINGTON � President Barack Obama says he'll veto a financial overhaul bill that doesn't regulate the derivatives market.

Legislation pending in Congress would for the first time regulate these complex financial instruments, such as mortgage-backed securities that was a cause of a near economic meltdown in 2008 when they lost value during the housing crisis.

Obama says he wants derivatives to be strongly regulated, and he pledged Friday he's ready to veto legislation without it. But there's some dispute among Democrats about how far such regulation should go.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/16/obama-ill-veto-financial-_n_540817.html
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:05 PM
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1. Well now.
That's more like it.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:05 PM
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2. Wow. Im speechless
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:09 PM
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3. good job of explaining the creation of a derivative security:
Deriviatives Explained
I try not to post jokes, however, outside of the obvious light hearted nature of this post, I think it does a good job of explaining the creation of a derivative security. Enjoy.

Heidi is the proprietor of a bar in Detroit. In order to increase sales, she decides to allow her loyal customers - most of whom are unemployed alcoholics - to drink now but pay later. She keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers loans).

Word gets around about Heidi's drink now pay later marketing strategy and as a result, increasing numbers of customers flood into Heidi's bar and soon she has the largest sale volume for any bar in Detroit. By providing her customers' freedom from immediate payment demands, Heidi gets no resistance when she substantially increases her prices for wine and beer, the most consumed beverages. Her sales volume increases massively.

A young and dynamic vice-president at the local bank recognizes these customer debts as valuable future assets and increases Heidi's borrowing limit. He sees no reason for undue concern since he has the debts of the alcoholics as collateral. At the bank's corporate headquarters, expert traders transform these customer loans into DRINKBONDS, ALKIBONDS and PUKEBONDS. These securities are then traded on security markets worldwide. Naive investors don't really understand that the securities being sold to them as AAA secured bonds are really the debts of unemployed alcoholics. Nevertheless, their prices continuously climb, and the securities become the top-selling items for some of the nation's leading brokerage houses who collect enormous fees on their sales, pay extravagant bonuses to their sales force, and who in turn purchase exotic sports cars and multimillion dollar condominiums.

One day, although the bond prices are still climbing, a risk manager at the bank (subsequently fired due his negativity), decides that the time has come to demand payment on the debts incurred by the drinkers at Heidi's bar. Heidi demands payment from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed they cannot pay back their drinking debts. Therefore, Heidi cannot fulfill her loan obligations and claims bankruptcy. DRINKBOND and ALKIBOND drop in price by 90 %. PUKEBOND performs better, stabilizing in price after dropping by 80 %. The decreased bond asset value destroys the bank's liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans.

-snip

http://weeklymarketnotes.blogspot.com/2009/04/deriviatives-explained.html

These were always just a gimmick to make wall street assholes rich.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:10 PM
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4. knr
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:14 PM
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5. He also said he would veto a "health care bill" without a public option
Let's hope he sticks with this one.

And BTW, the important thing here is WHO is doing the damn regulating. If this is all some scam to put all financial services under control of the "federal" reserve, then don't even bother, because it makes about as much sense as expecting MonSatan to regulate agriculture.

Oh, wait a minute.....
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:20 PM
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6. Link?
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:33 PM
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8. I guess it depends on the definition of "must" --
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:41 PM
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13. Yep
I guess they skipped that lesson over at Message Discipline LLC. :shrug:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:21 PM
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7. Thank you.
And, let's not forget what a fine job has been done enforcing mine safety regulations. As you said, it all depends on who's running things.

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Renegades of Funk Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:39 PM
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11. Make Demands First
Then concession latter, if at all. Not vice versa.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:40 PM
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12. Glass Steagall - we need it back and in the form it was previously.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 01:43 PM
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14. Eggzactly!
We don't need "new" regulations at all. We just need to restore and enforce the old ones, that actually worked.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:07 PM
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15. +1
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-16-10 02:17 PM
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16. You are correct, sir.
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