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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:52 PM
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Cindy Sheehan: Take This Empire and Shove It!
Dear Reader—raise your hand if you don’t know that atrocities happen in war. Now put your hands in the air like you just don’t care.

Psychologist, Robert Jay Lifton, who is a pioneer in the study of what drives otherwise “normal” human beings to commit war crimes calls war: “an atrocity-producing situation.” Atrocities have been committed in every war since the beginning of time, and the sad thing is the barbarity hasn’t decreased. Recently a US soldier tried to justify to me committing atrocities because the "British did it to the Native Americans" in the French-Indian War. This soldier was essentially agreeing with Lifton.

Since war is an atrocity in the first place, war crimes will be committed, period. In many of my speeches soon after Casey was killed, I used to call war “a failure of imagination.” Now I know that’s crap—war is imagined by and for the war machine and gladly perpetrated by its toady elected officials and promoted by its toady media.

This week, several things have upset me about our genocidal foreign policy, but I can’t decide what upsets me more—the genocidal foreign policy or the fact that most of my fellow USAins are sheeple who blindly follow (or not follow) whoever is infecting the Oval Office depending on whether that person has a (D) or an (R) behind his name.

I have spoke in dozens of venues since Obama was inaugurated promoting my e-book: Myth America: 20 Greatest Myths of the Robber Class and the Case for Revolution. Everywhere I speak, someone will ask me this question, and it is almost always this exact question, worded in almost the exact same way: “I didn’t agree with George Bush getting us into these wars, but don’t you agree that we have to stay in Afghanistan to protect the women?” When I ask the person if he/she believed that propaganda when Bush was infesting the Oval Office, he/she says with 100% regularity: “No.” And of course, Afghan women were Mrs. George (43) Bush’s greatest cause. Now we have “peace” groups parroting the same line. Sheeple live in Red AND Blue states. The Robber Class counts on at least ½ of the public being in full compliance with its crimes, that’s why they get away with these crimes on a daily basis.

How’s this for “protecting women?” On February 12th, US Special Forces attacked a home near Gardez and in that attack three women were killed. Two of the women were pregnant. Our military claimed that the women were stabbed to death before the US raid, but the truth finally came out—US Special Forces who subsequently tried to dig the bullets out of the women to hide their hideous crimes killed them, too. Cover up—the specialty of The Empire and The Pope. How can we believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Stainly McChrystalMeth much less that the US is “minimizing” civilian deaths?

At the end of last year, eight Afghan students in Ghazi Khan were handcuffed and executed by US troops. Presumably, these eight students were sons of Afghan women — and where is the righteous anger in this country over our military executing school children? I guess if Tiger Woods would keep Little Tiger in his pants, our toady media might report these outrages —but probably not. When I hear about our troops raping 14 year-old girls in Iraq, or executing Afghan schoolboys, I want to burn something down—but I would rightfully be considered “crazy” if I gave into that temporary impulse—while some US troops (in not-so-isolated incidents) behave like sociopathic maniacs and we don't consider them crazy at all and, in fact, we are supposed to “support" them.

And what about this Cult of Troop Worship? Even the antiwar movement is so careful to not criticize anything The Troops do. We are constantly admonished to “hate the war, but love the warrior.” I am sorry, but I don’t even like that word, “warrior.” It implies that our children join the military to commit war crimes, but we all know that most of our children join for education benefits, or health insurance. “Warrior” also implies that we live in a War State—which we do—but the antiwar movement does not have to use the nomenclature of The Empire. Most of us teach our children the difference between right and wrong, but when our young people become The Troops they receive a thorough brainwashing and get sent off to murder and rape children and pregnant women. Our kids become hired goons for imperial greed—more like victims of a system that neglects everyone’s essential needs, than heroes.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25200.htm
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:55 PM
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1. The haters are going to show up soon ---
Edited on Tue Apr-13-10 12:55 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
but I love me some Cindy! :loveya:
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:24 PM
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19. Convenient image reponse
Because haters got nothing better to do...

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 12:57 PM
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2. k/r... Keep on singing it, Cindy
Yeah! :applause:

She's lost favor in some circles, but I still think she's a treasure, and I admire her ability to stick to her ethics when facing pressure from the Kool-Aid® crowd.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:00 PM
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3. Wikileaks and Cindy Sheehan
are trying to get the rest of the story out.
:patriot: :patriot:
But the DOW is up! yay for rich folks! yay!
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:04 PM
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5. I'm far from rich but I'm glad the Dow is up.Pension funds and all that.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:33 AM
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23. Congrats on successfully hi-jacking the thread.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:54 AM
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31. oh noes. everybody panic.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 12:51 PM
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34. And this would be about.......
Ah. Pointless snarkery. I get it.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:06 PM
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8. not this lie again
the dow (and the market in general) doesn't just benefit "rich folks"

it benefits a substantial portion of americans, including plenty of blue and grey collar workers

do i really need to cite the %age of the population that has exposure to the market through 401k's, 403b's, etc?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:08 PM
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10. lol
don't worry, be happy
:toast:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:12 PM
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11. way to ignore the facts
the facts are that the poster equated positive stock market performance with only benefiting "rich folks"

that's simply a lie

evade all you want

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:54 AM
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30. starting to think these guys really don't understand that almost any middle class person with a
career has money invested in one way or another. even checkers at the grocery store here have company 401ks
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 05:56 PM
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36. and recall that even here in DU
when the dow was sub 7k, a LOT of people were bemoaning the status of their lost wealth.

it's like you can have a million points of data, and some people just are living in the ancient past (when most people had little to n o market exposure)

it's the "stock market is only for fat cats" meme.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:02 PM
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4. Glad a few still bother to speak the truth - k&r.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:04 PM
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:05 PM
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7. She's made a home under the bus...
her and the truth.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:08 PM
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9. asdjrocky...see what I mean now?
;)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:29 PM
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12. K&R'd
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:36 PM
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13. I largely agree with her- at least about war, but I deplore here hate filled language
calling people who disagree with any bit of her harangue sheeple, calling the President an "infection", saying that there's no difference between Obama and bushco, etc.


And of course, she calling her son "a hired goon" who was "thoroughly brainwashed" and who was sent off to war to murder and rape pregnant women".

I find her just sad.

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:37 AM
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25. But of course you find her sad.
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 08:41 AM by Jakes Progress
Is that because carnage and death and rape and rich rewards for the war industry doesn't make you angry? Calling the president an "infection" for doing exactly what george did when we called him a "chimp" is worse to you than strafing civilians? Does this mean that if your child were trained to kill and maim and inculcated with the idea that raping the enemy is okay, it would be fine with you as long as it was under a Democratic administration.

Cindy just happens to be right here.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:52 AM
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29. she's lost her marbles at this point, sadly. and when you use the hyperbole she uses,
Edited on Wed Apr-14-10 08:58 AM by dionysus
she doesn't look that smart either.

now she's advocating dodging taxes. what a winner.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 01:39 PM
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14. Go Cindy!! You rock!!!
:yourock:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 02:04 PM
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15. Go Cindy!
:yourock:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 03:10 PM
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16. Bump
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:10 PM
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17. Bump
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:21 PM
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18. good, at least someone still opposes the wars
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 04:52 PM
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20. .
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 06:24 PM
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21. K&R
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:28 AM
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22. Bump
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:34 AM
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24. Ahhh, the "Everyone who doesn't see things like I do is a Sheeple" argument
Always a crowd pleaser.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:38 AM
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26. As is the snarky comback with no argument.
The sheeple response mechanism.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:46 AM
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28. I wasn't making an argument
Just an observation that many people, on both sides of the polical coin, and generally on both sides of any political issues will use the term "sheeple." It's an Ad Hominem attack on any opposing view, much like you're reply to my post.

I'm not posting a counter-argument to what Cindy is saying and agree with some of it but if she can't present her argument without using logical fallacy to do so, then it must be a pretty weak argument.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:41 AM
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27. Wish I could Rec this more than a million times.
Anyone who's ever lost anyone has a feeling of what war is like. It is death's feast.

Anyone who's followed Echo In Light understands who profits from war. Theirs don't die in war.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 08:59 AM
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32. K&R nt.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 09:05 AM
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33. K&R
:thumbsup:
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Rage Inc. Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-10 01:23 PM
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35. Too late to R
But K!
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