Corp Lobbyist partiers who were wringing their hands over poor people they care "so much" about

[JohnWxy]

Can calm their worried souls.

On a PBS NewsHour report on The acceptance of Affordable Health Care act they asked a doctor who serves a good number of people who can't afford health insurance what they thought of Health Care reform: According to a doctor who serves many who can't afford health insurance - they are overwhelming in favor of it.


At the Yuba Docs Urgent Care clinic about one third of the patients can't afford heath insurance...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/jan-june10/california_04-08.html
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DR. ROGER HICKS, Yuba Docs Urgent Care: Ninety-nine out of 100 of the people that I talk to here are in favor of this health care reform. And I talk to everybody about it, because it comes up frequently when I'm seeing patients. You know, I say, well, this is what you need. You need this test. And they say, well, I can't afford it.

SPENCER MICHELS: Hicks is convinced the new law will make a difference.

DR. ROGER HICKS: It is going to change, because 32 million people that were uninsured are now going to have insurance. So, you know, they won't be making decisions about whether they should go to the hospital because of their chest pain based on money.

SPENCER MICHELS: Dr. Hicks says he is also a small business man, and health reform will save him money with tax credits for insurance premiums.
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THe local contingent of Corporate Lobbyist Party "humanitarians" who were wringing their hands over the low income people being "forced" to buy (with subsidies) insurance that will make their health better and their lives LONGER. As I said then(What can HCR do for you?...Would you rather be poorer and alive or financially better off and dead?*), I don't think if you polled the uninsured that too many of them would refuse health care if they had a chance to obtain it. 99 out of 100 ain't a bad poll number.

We all know how much the Corporate Lobbyist Party weeps for the those "common" people. That's why they fight increasing the minimum wage whenever Democrats try to do it. That's why they RAMMED through (using reconciliation) tax cuts for the wealthy (50% of the cuts went to the top 10% in income) and increased the tax burden for the middle class. That's why they tightened bankruptcy rules for individual bankruptcies (to stop all those dead-beats from shirking their responsibilities) while fighting regulation of Predatory Lenders and any strengthening of Consumler Protections against Predatory Lending practices (note: 50% of the personal bankruptcies were caused by over-whelming medical bills, and 78% of those filers HAD MEDICAL INSURANCE!!!).

Yeah, the GOP really cries tears for the "common" people....while they fuck us over repeatedly, relentlessly, remorselessly. All the while saying "this is for your own (moral) good. TRUST me."



* of course, there were the usual, anti-health care types who pretended to mis-understand and feigned shock at my title which mocked the phony concern of GOP creeps for the "little" people (degenerates who pretended to care about those who can't afford health insurance and attacked ME for not caring about the 32 million who will be helped by this bill - that I was in favor of. Actually, their arguments were typically disingenuous. These creeps do not give a fuck about the people they claim to cry tears for. They just wanted to stop Obama and the Democrats from achieving the necessary reform of a failing health care system. They were (and still are) implacable foes of HCR while purporting to be concerned for the welfare of the very people who will most benefit from this law. A cynical, hypocritical strategem to kill the bill that would so help the very people they pretend to care about. Revolting! But how consistent are those of the Corporate Lobbyist Party. How consistent ...and how contemptible

[kenny blankenship]

1. Docs (AMA) got what they wanted : NO PUBLIC OPTION

[JohnWxy]

2. actually, doctors overwhelmingly favored the Public Option

as did the almost everybody else!..

(M$M just referred to polls, often theirs, which made sure to use loaded words to twist the results - see below). http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/poll-bankrolled-by-foes-of-health-care-reform-finds-overwhelming-support-for-public-plan/"> Employee Benefit Research Institute, a D.C. policy think tank conducted a poll that showed strong support for the Public Option but M$M ignored it. ("The poll... finds that a majority (53%) strongly back the availability of a public plan, while another 30% “somewhat” support it. That’s a total of 83% in favor of a public plan — a staggeringly large majority.)

Poll: Doctors Among Public Option's Biggest Fans

JOSEPH SHAPIRO: In the survey, nearly three-quarters of doctors said they favor a public option. Co-author Dr. Salomeh Keyhani is a researcher at Mount Sinai School of Medicine.

Dr. SALOMEH KEYHANI (Researcher, Mount Sinai School of Medicine): The results of the study demonstrated that the majority of physicians support a public option in the United States of America.

SHAPIRO: That included the 63 percent who say they'd like to see patients get a choice of public or private insurance and another 10 percent who favor a public option only. They'd like to see a single-payer system.
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Actually, like many, I would have preferred it if the law had included a Public Option. But you saw the effectiveness of the Disinformation campaign of the Corporate Lobbyist party - aided immeasurably by the M$M Echo-Chamber that just repeated polls with loaded words in their questions meant to produce the impression of an anti-Public Option sentiment. They just made sure to call a Public Option a "Government run" insurance plan.. which of course is a lie. The Public Option was not going to be Government 'run'. If people chose the Public Option their premiums would have been subsidized (to the extent their incomes required it) just as they would be if they had chosen a for-profit insurance company plan. The Public Option would have been about the same thing as these downsized Co-ops that are allowed in the law. (they're just allowed within states - so as to preclude any real competition for the insurance companies).

the CBO estimated the Public Option would have drawn about 7 milliion people. NOt hardly a threat to the current owners of Republican's souls (bought cheap).

And this was without a Public Option (thrown overboard by Obama. Rather too quickly, I thought).

With the M$M working with the GOP against the Dems (and the American people) I now have to wonder if we would have got any HCR passed if the P.O. had been in there. (so, perhaps Obama was right to sacrifice the P.O.).

[kenny blankenship]

3. NYTIMES: Doctors’ Group Opposes Public Insurance Plan

Sorry to have to do this to slap you down, but you don't seem to have been paying much attention during the Health Care Fiasco.

Doctors’ Group Opposes Public Insurance Plan

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/us/politics/11health.html
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: June 10, 2009

WASHINGTON — As the health care debate heats up, the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system.

The opposition, which comes as Mr. Obama prepares to address the powerful doctors’ group on Monday in Chicago, could be a major hurdle for advocates of a public insurance plan. The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America’s largest physician organization.

In the presidential campaign last year and in a letter to Congress last week, Mr. Obama called for a new “public health insurance option,” which he said would compete with private insurers and keep them honest.

But in comments submitted to the Senate Finance Committee, the American Medical Association said: “The A.M.A. does not believe that creating a public health insurance option for non-disabled individuals under age 65 is the best way to expand health insurance coverage and lower costs. The introduction of a new public plan threatens to restrict patient choice by driving out private insurers, which currently provide coverage for nearly 70 percent of Americans.”

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You'll also notice in this article that the AMA rejected any obligation ie, mandate that the government might impose on their members to take these hypothetical public option patients, while on the other hand they express no concern about any mandate on individuals to buy private for-profit insurance.

DOCTORS LOOK OUT FOR DOCTORS IN THIS COUNTRY. If they AS A CLASS support any health insurance legislation it is because it either furthers their goal of 2 new Mercedes per year per Doctor, or else it does nothing to dampen their rampant pursuit of that goal. In other words, they see no THREAT from the legislation in question to REIN IN COSTS. There are good docs out there, individual people with consciences, but as a general class they behave and must be viewed as high rent professionals out for themselves at the expense of everyone else. Just Adam Smith said of other tradesmen and merchants.People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.

[JohnWxy]

4. LOL. the AMA represents maybe 15% of the nations doctors. Many doctors hate the AMA for being out

of touch with the needs of patients and the doctors who want to really serve them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5859738

DU post above refers to this blog by a Doctor dated June 15, 2009 (5 days after the NYT article you referred to:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/gurley/detail?entry_id=41763

"The AMA is an organization that most Americans believe represents all doctors, when, in fact, at a stretch, we're talking about 15%. Even that number is fluffed by including retired doctor members who don't see patients, plus medical students and residents - whose "membership" is almost a freebie foisted on them."
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In fact, the AMA is widely credited with being responsible for our tremendous mess of medical billing (and, therefore, massive overbilling) in the current healthcare system - their procedure-heavy representatives were THE major players in drafting reimbursement codes. You know - the codes that won't pay for your doctor to spend time actually talking to you, but will pay big bucks for a tube in your orifice?

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/gurley/detail?entry_id=41763#ixzz0kjPVpamo

at the link below I provided a partial list of organizaations supporting HCR:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x525645

Just in case you don't feel up to clicking on the link, i took the trouble of providing a partial list of the partial list at link. It includes:

Physicians' and nurses' organizations

American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American College of Nurse Midwives
American College of Physicians
American Nurses Association
Catholic Health Association - (representing 59,000 Catholic Nurses)
American Psychiatric Nurses Association
American Public Health Association
Doctors for America
National Medical Association
National Physicians Alliance
Nurse-Family Partnership National Service Office
Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health
Ryan White Medical Providers Coalition


Organizations representing hospitals and other health providers

Alliance for Quality Nursing Home Care
American Association of Homes and Services for the Aging
American Counseling Association
American Group Psychotherapy Association
American Health Care Association
American Hospice Foundation
American Mental Health Counselors Association
American Music Therapy Association
American Psychological Association
American Public Health Association
American Social Health Association
Association for Ambulatory Behavioral Healthcare
Association for the Advancement of Psychology
Association of Community Affiliated Plans
Assocation of American Medical Colleges
Clinical Social Work Association
Federation of American Hospitals
Herndon Alliance
National Academies of Practice
National Alliance for Caregiving
National Association of Community Health Centers
National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems
National Association of Social Workers
National Council for Community Behavioral Healthcare
PHI - Health Care for Health Care Workers
Therapeutic Communities of America


You see, I appear to have been paying a bit more attention than you have to the Health Care Reform War - or maybe your attention was selective. I could provide many links to my posts on this issue. but it's a law now, and I don't feel like spending too much time on conservative re-writes of reality.

Hope you're not feeling too "slapped down".

[kenny blankenship]

6. The issue is what docs support in supporting so-called HCR. They got what they WANTED

as a professional class, which was proved to you - NO PUBLIC OPTION. The largest and most influential Doctor's group was consulted directly by the Senate Finance Committee and helped drive the stake through the heart of the reform. Specifically, they objected to the Public Option. Sorry but that is a FACT.

What they support and want is not necessarily in the interest of ordinary Americans, just because they're doctors. It is however, by and large IN THEIR interest. Which is why their support of HCR merits a big fucking So What?

Understand now?

[JohnWxy]

7. the AMA at best 'represents' 15% of doctors. link provided. Doctors wanted a PO or single papyer

I am well aware of Conservates need to warp reality to fit their religiouspolitical views, but I must remain aware of the real world. I feel it's a better long term way to operate.

THE AMA ONLY REPRESENTS ABOUT 15% (actually somewhat inflated number) - see the Dr's Blog below:

this entry appeared about 5 days after the June 2009 article you referred to.

Doc Gurley's blog

Today President Obama was booed while speaking to the AMA. Presumably by a doctor.

The AMA is an organization that most Americans believe represents all doctors, when, in fact, at a stretch, we're talking about 15%. Even that number is fluffed by including retired doctor members who don't see patients, plus medical students and residents - whose "membership" is almost a freebie foisted on them.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/gurley/detail?entry_id=41763#ixzz0kpXUij4D

The list of many medical professional organizations I listed, which (i.e. the doctors groups) represents many more doctors than the AMA represents, ae real, not made up. YOu may choose to ignore them, pretend they do not exist. But the reality is they do exist and that most doctors wanted a P.O. or single payer.

American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Physician Assistants
American College of Nurse Midwives
American College of Physicians
American Nurses Association
Catholic Health Association - (representing 59,000 Catholic Nurses)
American Psychiatric Nurses Association
American Public Health Association
Doctors for America
National Medical Association
National Physicians Alliance

[JohnWxy]

8. apparently you didn't click on link New England Journal of Medicine poll: Drs FOR Public Optn: 63%

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112818960

"Most doctors — 63 percent — say they favor giving patients a choice that would include both public and private insurance. That's the position of President Obama and of many congressional Democrats. In addition, another 10 percent of doctors say they favor a public option only; they'd like to see a single-payer health care system. Together, the two groups add up to 73 percent."

[JohnWxy]

5. here are some groups who opposed health care reform

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/inside-the-tea-partiers-anti-health-care-organizing-campaign.php


Inside The Tea Partiers Anti-Health Care Organizing Campaign

By Brian Beutler - August 3, 2009, 6:22PM
These teabaggers disrupting congressional town halls is just a spontaneous groundswell of populist opposition to health care reform, right? Riiiight.

On Friday, July 24, a representative of Conservatives for Patients Rights--the anti-health care reform group run by disgraced hospital executive Rick Scott, in conjunction with the message men behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth--sent an email to a list serve (called the Tea Party Patriots Health Care Reform Committee) containing a spreadsheet that lists over one hundred congressional town halls from late July into September.

The email from CPR to tea baggers suggests that, though conservatives portray the tea bagger disruptions as symptoms of a populist rebellion roiling unprompted through key districts around the country, they have to a great extent been orchestrated by anti-health care reform groups financed by industry. (CPR did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)

That email predates by about a week a recent flurry of events at which Democratic members of Congress have been accosted and harassed by anti-health care reform tea party protesters. But beyond putting those spectacles, now receiving wide play on cable news, into a fresh light, it also provides a window into the tea party protesters' organizing infrastructure, which, like so much political organizing today, occurs in private email list serves.

Earlier today, I reported that a Freedom Works volunteer, and tea party protester, named Robert MacGuffie had authored a http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/tea-party-town-hall-strategy-rattle-them-stand-up-and-shout.php">strategy memo for his fellow activists--a playbook of sorts for protesters seeking to disrupt and harass members of Congress during town hall forums in their districts.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/">right Wing Harrassment strategy

- Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”