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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:22 PM
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••••• "New York Jewish lobby" blamed as criticism rages against Vatican in sex abuse scandal •••••

The NY Times and other media have been accused by the Vatican in recent days of a smear campaign against the Pope. In fact, Italian media have been very harsh on the Vatican. So what wonder that the Vatican seized on a New York Times report to try to shift the blame to media outside Italy. Now the Times is reporting that in Italy "The center-left daily newspaper La Repubblica wrote, without attribution, that 'certain Catholic circles' believed the criticism of the church stemmed from 'a New York Jewish lobby.'"

By coincidence, the New York Times is located in: New York.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/world/europe/03church...

Numerous news organizations, meanwhile, are covering the story of the Pope's own preacher, Rev. Raniero Cantalamessa, comparing the Pope's victimhood at the hands of the cruel world over his alleged complicity in the pedophile scandal to the sufferings of the Jews. The preacher, in a speech delivered in the Pope's presence with the Pope neither disagreeing nor walking out, claimed to be reading from a letter sent to him from a Jewish friend whose identity he did not name. The letter, with the preacher quoting directly, described Catholics as "the faithful," normally not a term a Jew would use for Catholics as it is not their religion and it is more a term Catholics would use among themselves.

The preacher quoted the letter as saying the attacks on the church over the sex abuse scandal reminded the letter writer of "the more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism." Just out of curiosity, are there aspects of anti-Semitism that are NOT particularly shameful? Is the letter real or was it a bald-faced attempt to associate ridicule of the Pope with Jewish victimhood in order to put the troubling thought of THE JEWS into the minds of the wavering faithful?

The Vatican was quick to dissociate from the comparison of the Pope's victimhood with Jewish suffering but that is Vatican standard procedure to let subordinates do the dirty work while keeping one's own hands clean. The Pope was right there. He said nothing. He also did not walk out.

Cantalamessa used quotes from the letter to argue that groups should not be blamed for the actions of individuals, even though, in fact, the Pope, as cardinal, was personally intimately involved in overseeing Vatican response to the abuse scandal over the years, which included classifying abuse cases as falling under threat of excommunication for anyone who blabbed, including the abuse victims. So much for the actions of mere individuals far away, way down the totem pole.

But the floodgates have now opened. The media is now awash in allegations of Catholic priest-perpetrated child abuse in one country after another. In the US 200 deaf children were molested by a priest in Wisconsin in one expose that the Pope allegedly knew about for years as a high Vatican official and failed to address. Two hundred deaf boys, the ultimate symbol of vulnerability because they couldn't speak out. And the future pope deaf to the deaf who couldn't easily defend themselves against the predator because they couldn't speak, being deaf. Thirty million Americans have walked out of the Catholic Church according to Ted Schmidt of the New Catholic Times, who asked, "Are they deaf to this?" The National Catholic Reporter called the now international scandal "the largest institutional crisis in centuries, possibly in Church history."

Worldwide the Catholic Church is being hit by financial crisis in the form of a pincer movement, loss of revenue from millions of people leaving the church on the one hand combined with lawsuits on the other hand sapping millions of dollars more in settlements and legal fees.

There are now allegations of Catholic priest abuse of children in Austria, Holland, Switzerland, Ireland, where a 2,000-page commission report called sexual abuse in Catholic boys institutions there "endemic," Italy, Spain, Belgium, Croatia, Czech Republic, France, Poland, Slovenia, Sweden, England, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Mexico, Peru and Canada. It's all over the Pacific, Australia, New Zealand and the Philippines. It's all over Europe. It's all over Latin America. It's all over North America.

And virtually every Catholic diocese in the Pope's native Germany. Peter Wensierski of the German weekly Der Spiegel ("The Mirror"), a writer who has tried to break the church's silence on abuse for a decade, says that in recent weeks he has been getting calls from abuse victims every twenty minutes. He said, "I think it's the biggest crisis since the time of the Nazis in Germany, since the time of fascism when the Church was accused to go hand in hand with Hitler and his Nazis." Wensierski says of then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, long a key figure in the Vatican and now the Pope, "He's the best-informed man in the Church because he is the head of the Faith Congregation since 1981, more than twenty years he was informed about sexual abuse all over the world, not only in Germany."

After World War II the Vatican had an operation sneaking Nazis out of Europe to Latin America, known as the "Rat Line." Now there is a Pope named Ratzinger who was a member of the Hitler Youth as a child, with witness claims that he was really into it. And now critics of the Vatican's response to the abuse scandal are calling him "the Vatican rat" and posting pictures of him on YouTube with whiskers and rodent teeth. What wonder that there is a need to divert attention.

The taboos against discussing the issue outside the United States have been broken. There are allegations of hundreds of perpetrator priests, being described as a pedophile "mafia," and thousands of victims, with a massive international cover-up directed right from the Vatican, raising charges of racketeering. And while Cantalamessa blamed mere individuals, in linking the Pope's victimhood to Jewish victimhood he stood there as more than an individual but as a church spokesman, speaking in the presence of the Pope himself, who acquiesced by his presence and silence.

Meanwhile the official Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, published Cantalamessa's remarks. So much for disassociation.

The same preacher, Cantalamessa, in the same speech, also said that, why, by golly, by gum, it occurred to him that this year Easter fell at the same time as the Jewish holiday of Passover (whose dating from year to year varies from the civil calendar as it conforms to the Jewish calendar).

This just happened to OCCUR to him, you know what, come to think of it, as a matter of fact!

This is innuendo.

See, it's all very suspicious. There must be SOME reason why everyone is getting on the Vatican's case. And NOW IT CAN BE TOLD. Passover falling this year on Easter was JUST TOO BIG A COINCIDENCE TO BE CHANCE. Without ever saying it, and while claiming to be merely making a comparison between Jewish innocent suffering and the suffering of the Pope over charges of his complicity in the abuse scandal, the preacher is pointing a finger at the Jews while pretending not to. It's almost inevitable that Jewish leaders will object to the comparison Cantalamessa made, which trivializes the Holocaust and Jewish suffering. Bingo, instant clash between Catholics and Jews to rally the faithful around the Pope. He's a victim of the Jews!

Cantalamessa also claimed that the letter writer had referred to criticism of the Vatican as violence against the church, as if mere words criticizing the Vatican's inaction and worse on the abuse scandal could in any way be compared to the physical violence against Jews in the Holocaust and pogroms through the ages. The poor Vatican with its magnificent palace, sovereign territory, military and security police. The poor Pope who is waited on hand and foot and protected by the Pontifical Guard and has all his needs provided for him, food, clothing, shelter, communication, transportation and healthcare. How he SUFFERS like a persecuted ghetto Jew. Hitler, incidentally, was born to Catholic parents. He was never excommunicated. And the Vatican has long been accused of complicity in the Holocaust and atrocities against Jews for centuries. But no. Criticizing the Pope is anti-Semitic-style VIOLENCE. And we got us a Jew who said so!

Here's the deal. Blame the liberal media. When that doesn't work, start sleazing your way over to blaming the JEWISH media and the Times, AKA "The Jewish lobby in New York." Wasn't the Jewish lobby supposed to be based in Washington? Forget that. Now it's based in New York. Everything can be swept under the rug with the usual diversion to the Jewish scapegoat. Just like in the good old days. And with anti-Semitism resurging across Europe nowadays it is extremely irresponsible for the leadership of a billion Catholics to play this card.

More links:

AFP report:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iJSS...

BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8601084.stm

Haaretz has the story with comments by Jewish leaders:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1160706.html

Jerusalem Post, with more comments by Jewish leaders:

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=1723...

Some of the reader comments there are scathing, including one calling Rev. Cantalamessa, "Cantomessup."

Video reports:

BBC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2JgRF7uA4E

Wolf Blitzer/Situation Room:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK3FRW2MS7w

More Vatican-Jewish friction, videos:

Vatican lifts excommunication of Holocaust denying bishop who said there were no gas chambers and defended the Protocols of the Elders of Zion anti-Semitic tract:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXIiWx1gm0Y&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exp4iSHWBs4&feature=rela...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zzKOqhOKEo&feature=rela...




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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:26 PM
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1. Naked, ain't they?
Right to the bone.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:21 PM
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11. I Am a Sickened Ex Catholic Impeach The Pope
By the power of public opinion all around the World, lets get rid of this rat and put the pedophiles in jail.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 11:53 AM
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47. Note - see also post 40 below - Vatican now screeching against "powerful lobbies"


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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:26 PM
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2. Keep digging, boys.
Innuendo=Italian for 'up yours.'
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 09:35 PM
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3. Galileo Vindicated by Church in 1992
A bit behind the curve, don't you think?

Link:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13618460.600-vati...
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:53 PM
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32. In about 500 years the Church will finally apologize for molesting kids
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:03 PM
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4. kickey
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:08 PM
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5. These unholy bastards blame everyone but themselves for their crimes...
These unholy bastards blame everyone but themselves for their crimes: the permissive culture of the US, liberation theology, American nuns who took Vatican II to heart and started thinking for themselves, the news media, and above all, children. Innocent, vulnerable, and helpless children.

Hekate

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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:16 PM
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6. Opiates of the masses: Religion's been displaced by tv, sports, Facebook etc.; but
religion's still up there.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:25 PM
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7. Rather than take responsibility and clean house, they point fingers.
Lovely.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:52 PM
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9. That'd be one thing, but they're at risk for being a real cliche here.
They're pointing fingers, once again, at THE JEWS!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:28 AM
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16. They had to reach back about a thousand years for that canard. Or 70 years. Or last week....
This pope is undoing every bit of goodwill his last three predecessors strived so hard to make.

Christ on a trailer hitch. He and his administration have no shame at all, do they?

Hekate

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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 03:21 PM
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61. It's sort of like the way Nixon stonewalled instead of cleaning house in the Watergate scandal.

Why? Because if he had cleaned house he would have had to flush himself out with the garbage.

E. Howard Hunt was actually blackmailing him.

If the Pope started really going after offenders, what if they decided to blab about the Pope's complicity in retaliation?




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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 10:51 PM
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8. Well, it worked for Hitler, it should work for the Nazi Pope
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:04 PM
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10. Catholics once again pray for Jews to convert as Nazi Pope puts the brakes on tolerance.


http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=1723...




The Vatican said this is not their official policy but this happened Friday, the same day as the speech by Cantalamessa in the Vatican invoking the Jews. Cantalamessa picked the perfect day to invoke the Jews, the same day as this prayer for Jewish conversion was being recited.




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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:26 PM
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12. Well well well..isn't that special?
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 11:26 PM by SoCalDem
A Hitler-Youth pope invoking Nazi references & painting his organization's "Adventures in Pedophilia" as gossip by Jewish people with barrels of ink & newsprint..

Hitler would be proud of his little protιgι.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:27 PM
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13. I'm another Ex - after all these years, it's time for the church to die out.
There is no place for these criminals anymore, and no reason to continue their profiteering on the people's fear.

mark
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-10 11:46 PM
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14. It's amazing to see the Catholic Church go down in flames
Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 11:46 PM by rucky
so spectacularly.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:09 AM
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15. I'm rather sickened about how Catholics are villified here at DU.
It seems like anyone with trust in their faith is mocked and put down. Yes, let's all toss the babies out with the bathwater, eh? Because we all know it's only the Catholic Church with problems, right?

No, the Catholic Church is not going down in flames.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:54 AM
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17. Not from me. I've defended both individual Catholics & their beliefs here.HOWEVER there comes a time
.. and that time is now, to stop defending the indefensible. The revelation that this criminality goes straight to the top was the last straw for me.

I will continue to defend people's religious beliefs on this board, because I believe they have value. I could say a lot about that, and have in the past. If I see someone attack you unjustly for your beliefs I will defend you, but never again will I defend the institution of the RCC itself.

This Holy Roman and Catholic Church has broken laws both sacred and secular, and as an institution holds itself above all laws. As with our previous president, this pope and those closest to him will escape our justice, and will have to be left to the post-mortem judgment of the God they claim to be faithful to.

That leaves everybody else in the hierarchy -- priests and friars, bishops and cardinals, who are citizens and residents of many nations around the globe. It's way past time for the church to stop moving wrongdoers around, and for Secular Law to catch up with child molesters and treat them like the perps they are.

I am so very, very glad that my grandmother never lived to see her beloved Church bring itself so low, and then blame everyone else in creation for their crimes.

Hekate
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:47 AM
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22. I don't see what this has to do with faith.
except for the colossal let-down the CHURCH has been to their faithful
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:59 PM
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25. There are good Catholics...
...but the hierarchy is a rotting infestation of evil child rapists who do
anything to cover up, shirk responsibility and avoid healing for the victims.

They're actually attacking the victims.

This should be intolerable to any good Catholic. Completely intolerable.

Unless Catholics rise up and fight the rotting cancer inside their Church, they
are complicit. Those good Catholics should rise up and refuse to tolerate
this criminal, vile behavior. It's deplorable.

The Catholic Church certainly is experiencing the world's most heinous worldwide PR
problem that I've ever witnessed. Isn't that enough?
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will_in_chicago Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 10:24 PM
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44. Good Catholics hurt the most
As a Jew, I am offended by the remarks of some in the Catholic Church on this scandal, as it reopens old wounds.

However, I must mourn with those righteous Catholics who seek to bring healing to a troubled world. I can only imagine how this scandal must hurt those who have lived the principles of their faith. My hope is that such men and women will demand accountability for the crimes that have been committed against children and seek to bring reform to their faith. May they succeed and may all the victims of this scandal find healing.
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Dramarama Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:28 PM
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27. +1
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:46 PM
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29. Who is mocking Christian "faith"? What on earth does this have to do with it?
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:17 PM
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41. The only Catholics villified on DU are the ones who fuck children. n/t
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 10:10 PM
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43. What does outrage at protecting pedophilia have to do with mocking religion?
I think you need to sort that shit out in your own head.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 09:26 PM
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57. Wrong! CATHOLICS are not vilified here at DU...
but the CATHOLIC CHURCH is vilified, and well it should be! As far as I'm concerned it can't be vilified too much, and for its collective sins against my people--and now against its OWN people as well!--ever since its inception it can't die too soon. It does my heart good to watch this corrupt evil behemoth in its death throes. I feel sorry for my Catholic friends and the pain and betrayal they have to be feeling, but I have NO pity whatsoever for the Church.

I just wish it didn't feel the need to take one more sideswipe at its primary enemy/victim on its way down. Thanks for NOTHING, "Holy" Mother Church! We Jews don't owe you one damn thing but our upraised middle finger!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:52 PM
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31. maybe you ought to be asking the questions then..and answering some of your own..
Edited on Sun Apr-04-10 05:02 PM by flyarm
from my files..but don't believe me..go google Bush and the pope..

Jebbie and Neil........this article is no longer available,but i had it in my files..

www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wochar21422...

NEWSDAY, Thursday, April 21, 2005

THE NEW POPE BENEDICT XVI
Neil Bush, Ratzinger co-founders
President's younger brother served with then-cardinal on board of relatively unknown ecumenical foundation

BY KNUT ROYCE AND TOM BRUNE
WASHINGTON BUREAU
April 21, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Neil Bush, the president's controversial younger brother, six years ago joined the cardinal who this week became Pope Benedict XVI as a founding board member of a little known Swiss ecumenical foundation.
The charter members of the board were all well-known international religious figures, except for Bush and his close friend and business partner, Jamal Daniel, whose family has extensive holdings in the United States and Switzerland, public records show.
The Foundation for Interreligious and Intercultural Research and Dialogue was founded in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1999 to promote ecumenical understanding and publish original religious texts, said a foundation official.
Besides then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, founding board members included Rene-Samuel Sirat, the former chief rabbi of France; Jordan's Prince Hassan, a Muslim dedicated to religious dialogue; the late Prince Sadruddin Aga Khan, another prominent Muslim; Olivier Fatio, director of the Institute of the History of the Reformation; and foundation president Metropolitan Damaskinos, a Greek Orthodox leader.
Gary Vachicouras, a theologian and foundation official in Geneva, would not explain in a telephone interview yesterday why Bush, who has no clear public connection to religious causes, was on the first board.
"He was interested at that particular time," said Vachicouras of Bush. But like some other initial board members, Bush is no longer involved, Vachicouras said. Ratzinger also left a few years ago and was replaced by Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald, who is responsible for ecumenical relations for the Vatican, said Vachicouras.
Still active is Daniel, a Syrian American who has family active in the Orthodox Church in Geneva, said Vachicouras. "This is an Orthodox lay person," he said.
Neither Bush, now president of the educational software company Ignite! Learning, based in Austin, Texas, nor Daniel returned calls for comment.
In his highly publicized divorce last year, Bush revealed he and Daniel are co-chairs of Texas-based Crest Investment Co., which pays him $60,000 a year for consulting. Recently, Crest Investment officials used Bush's name as a reference in cutting an exclusive deal with Texas officials on construction of a liquid natural gas storage facility that will guarantee Crest payments of at least $2 million a year, according to the Los Angeles Times.



Remember against all protocol... Bush went into the Vatican Catacombs..and he wasn't and isn't a Catholic

And how about the Franklin coverup and Scandals...and the Church commission

HOW ABOUT FATHER FLANNIGAN'S BOYS HOUSE in Omaha Neb.

It is about damn time our politicians and our government stop colluding with the Catholic Church and the abuse done to children!


Oh and I am a non practicing Catholic who went to catholic schools...but i stand each and every day with the children who have been abused for too damn long! And I abhor anyone who covers this shit up or wants to pretend it has not and is not happening!..Try to hide from it now if you will but don't expect others to contribute to the silence.

****( this is a reply to Darth Kitten post..it may have posted in wrong place)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:09 PM
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49. Unfortunatley, that corrupt, murderous institution will continue
It's been around for centuries torturing, raping and pillaging, and it will go on doing the same.

And, lest anyone accuse me of being a Catholic-specific basher, I pretty much despise all religions.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 03:12 AM
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18. WHOOMP! DEY IT IS!!!
The dog whistle of centuries of church sponsored anti-Semitism has been blown! :eyes:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:47 AM
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19. dog-whistle politics
Edited on Sun Apr-04-10 04:48 AM by Hannah Bell
teabaggers! pedophiles! jews! catholics!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 06:15 AM
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20. A fine papal tradition
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 06:43 AM
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21. Hitler STILL hasn't been excommunicated?!
And victims of pedophile priests who spoke out in the past were?

wow.


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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 10:32 AM
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23. Video - dissident Catholic calls for Pope's resignation ---
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 11:14 AM
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24. New York Jews? Really, Vatican?
You sure it's not all those kids you guys buggered?
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:21 PM
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26. Video - BBC report on child abuse in the Catholic Church in Ireland ---
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:35 PM
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28. sickening
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:49 PM
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30. Seems antisemitism is never far behind when you piss of the Vatican
Old habits die hard, don't they.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 04:54 PM
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33. Sounds like Benny the Rat is taking a page from his Nazi Youth days.
Yes, let us blame the Jews...man doesn't THAT get old? EVER? New York Jews...sick...I know who he is talking about, what is it with this obsession of blaming the 'New York Jews'? Why not the people down the street Benny, you know, Wall Street? Or how bout blame Hollywood or for that matter blame Bollywood. Just sad. Or how bout YOU!!!! Why not BLAME YOURSELF!? Now there is a novel idea, BLAME YOURSELF FOR FAILING TO LEAD THE FUCKING CHURCH!

Nuff said.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 06:03 PM
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34. Rex #33, good points. Ironically, with each alternative you proposed it still all gets back to ---
the Jews often . . .

You rhetorically asked, why not blame Wall Street or Hollywood or Bollywood?

And people do. Why, it's all the fault of the greedy Jews on Wall Street! And the moral Jewish degenerates - in Hollywood! And as for Bollywood, referring to "Bombay's Hollywood," terrorists in recent attacks slaughtered Hindu Indians and tourists but couldn't resist targeting Jews there too even though Jews in India are a tiny, infinitesimal percentage of the Indian population.

I once saw a Nazi leaflet that said, "The only solution to Jewish communism OR Jewish capitalism is National Socialism!" Wait a minute. Are the dirty Jews communists, or capitalists? Who cares! Whatever your beef, it's all the fault of the Jews.






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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:02 PM
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52. I have a theory that people are jealous of what the secretly admire in others.
Most people would just be happy for the other person, but some people let envy drive them to hatred and worse imo.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:22 PM
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54. Interesting point, Rex. Jews have accomplished a lot with education.

Jews are one-fifth of one percent of the world's population.

But Jews have won over 20% of the Nobel prizes over the years.



Meanwhile, many people today busy themselves bellyaching against the people who gave the world the book that inspired the beliefs of billions. And in their envy or whatever, the Vatican is now busy distorting and co-opting the Jewish experience, taking it as their own justification ("We too are oppressed!") while trashing the original.







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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:51 PM
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59. Nicely stated.
:thumbsup:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:54 PM
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35. Whew! They are really asking for it how....this stinking pile of shit is going to hit the fan
I cannot believe that the Vatican .....never mind.....I realized that nothing that they do should shock me.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 05:24 PM
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62. I don't know if it will hit the fan or not.
Once you get people riled up they can resist reason and act totally insane. Look at the nuts attacking Obama. If the church gets people worked up over a scapegoat who knows what will happen.



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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 07:56 PM
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36. Good grief....Is there anyone the Tiber River Gang won't blame for their own f**kups?
nt
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:34 PM
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37. Video - very powerful, informative report on Canadian television ---


Highlights: Abuse victim considered sterilization to protect his future children, now lives in seclusion in a forest. Der Spiegel reporter is receiving calls from abuse victims every 20 minutes. Map of countries with abuse cases in Europe (very incomplete even for the scandal across Europe - see a fuller list in the opening post of this thread for scandal countries in Europe and around the world). Also, map of dioceses in Germany where scandal has hit (nearly every diocese in Germany). 30 million Americans have now left the Catholic Church. Abuse victim ordered by priest not to cry while the priest beat him for hours, and then gave the victim a suppository to alleviate the pain and fever. Pope was the most informed man in the church on the scandal in his position as head of the Faith Congregation and essentially oversaw the cover-up. The Church always says sorry, sorry, sorry, but does not do much and now the government in Germany is holding round table talks on the abuse because there is little that can be done in Germany since most cases are legally stymied by the statute of limitations in Germany. They will say sorry again, the scandal will blow over and then someday it will all flare up all over again. This is one of the tragedies of molesting little children. By the time the children grow up and have the courage to come forward so the law can catch up with the perpetrators it is often legally too late. So the church is going to get away with it all there. More . . .

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjGh1dN0tMg


Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcLVVW0-amY




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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:00 PM
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51. That Marcello Moschetti is HOT!
I know he's an abuse victim and it's horrible, but those Italian guys.....Mmmmmm.

OK, now back the real issue.

Thanks for posting the videos. Canadian TV does a much better job than our crap media here.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 10:00 PM
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58. More video links down thread.


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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-09-10 12:31 AM
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60. Thanks.
You've done a great job collecting all this in one place.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:37 PM
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38. This is sick
I'm wondering more and more about the Hitler youth group.
I'm so glad my mother is dead - this would have killed her.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 07:54 PM
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39. No need to wonder, Malaise, here's a video with photos of the Pope when he was in the Hitler Youth
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 08:01 PM
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40. Vatican Radio now broadcasting charges that the Pope is a victim of unnamed "powerful lobbies"
Here we go. What started as whispers is now going official. Unnamed "powerful lobbies." We know who they mean. Given everything else they have said and hinted at (see opening post) it's pretty obvious who, among others, are the "powerful lobbies" they mean.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36199052/ns/world_news-euro... /





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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 09:19 PM
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42. Video - head of commission on abuse compares church secrecy to a mafia ---
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:25 AM
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45. Video on abuse of deaf children and Pope's alleged conspiracy to avoid scandal ---
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 07:56 AM
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46. Video - Pope defiant amidst calls to resign ---
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:06 PM
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48. So-- the rabbis are dressing up as priests
and slipping into the confessional booths then raping the choirboys before stealing away into the shadowy night, snickering quietly into their yarmulkes?

Diabolical. Simply diabolical.

Oy vey!

:nuke:
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 12:54 PM
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50. LOL - Yep. Is there no limit to the Jewish treachery??? Obviously a Jewish scheme to frame the Pope!
Edited on Thu Apr-08-10 12:57 PM by breadandwine
Yep. It's a frame-up.

Funny thing. It just occurred to me. The Pope is not a rat.

He's a CORNERED rat.

And that pretty much explains the Vatican's desperation in going after the Jews.

Anything to divert attention and blame.





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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 06:26 AM
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64. Actually, Prisoner_Number_Six, your comment is pretty close to how Jews were incriminated in Europe

for centuries. In Europe it was said that Jews killed Christian children to use their blood to make Passover matza (even though blood renders food unkosher under Jewish law) - the famous blood libels. In Europe they also said Jewish men menstruate, they have horns on their heads (THAT'S why they keep their heads covered!) and Jews have cloven hooves. Why ELSE do they keep their shoes on???!!! (Going barefoot is considered a sign of mourning usually associated with mourning in Jewish tradition.)



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mochajava666 Donating Member (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:21 PM
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53. Did the Pope hire Rove?
Blaming the victim and the messenger is pure Rove / Lee Atwater.

Maybe I'll see Ari Fleischer as the Pope's spokesperson...
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 01:31 PM
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55. Yeah. Rove sounds about it.

Let me put it this way.

For thousands of years Jews suffered endless massacres, Kishinev, Auschwitz, the Inquisition and so on.

Yet through it all those lousy Jews somehow survived.

How'd THAT happen?

How come it keeps coming up heads for the Jews?

There can only be one explanation for Jewish survival against the odds.

IT MUST BE A JEWISH CONSPIRACY.






WHAT OTHER EXPLANATION COULD THERE BE??????!!!!!!










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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-08-10 08:39 PM
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56. Wikipedia has article on Roman Catholic sex abuse cases by country ---

This may leave out some countries. See opening post for list there too.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_c...




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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-10-10 08:29 PM
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63. Here's another item touched on elsewhere on this thread ---

Did anyone consider that he became the pope BECAUSE he shielded the pedophiles?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Did the Pope get chosen in part because he could be relied on to protect those with skeletons in their closets?







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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 07:28 AM
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65. of course - a lot of us here thought so even before he was named pope
This was his reward for protecting the organization by successfully hiding all this ugly abuse shit.

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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 05:55 AM
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66. It increasingly looks that way.



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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-12-10 07:43 AM
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67. The RCC, raping kids since 300AD.
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