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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-10 11:22 PM
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Letter To My Daughter - Part 1
My daughter is a mere 25 years old and we have been carrying on discussions about what it means to be a Democrat. I just wanted to share some of it with you

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Beth,

Thanks for the links. They were very informative and should help people understand what the HCR provides. There were certainly points in the links that I did not know. Of course, there is a huge difference between a written policy and the having that policy enacted.

Where I hang out at (democraticunderground.com) there is a definite split between what has become two schools of thought with regard to being a "real" democrat. The "new" democrats seem to have redefined the party further to the right than it was when I was a "new" democrat. The "old" democrats (me, I guess) still hold to the old axioms of the original party. Below is a quote from a genuine "old" democrat, John F. Kennedy. This is how he defines what it is to be a Liberal.

If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal." -JFK - July, 1960

I can' think of a better way to articulate how I personally feel about being a Democrat.

I was only 8 years old when JFK gave that speech. It was before any "political awareness" on my part. However, I recall his death and how I felt that we had lost someone very special.

I can recall my mom (your grandmother Lynne) getting me out of bed to watch the 11:00 o'clock news. Burned into my soul were the black and white images of blacks being attacked by German Shepards as they were being hosed down on the streets of Mississippi. Your grandmother wanted me to see an example of man's inhumanity to man. I never forgot those images. I suppose that it was at that moment that I started solidifying my "view of the world." I would forever be a person who fought for the under-represented, the poor, the homeless...those less fortunate than I.

As I mentioned to you on the phone, the political pendulum moves ever so slowly. It began its swing to the Right when Reagan took office. Back then, I didn't label myself as anything particular politically. However, one day someone told me that I was a "liberal." The next thing I learned was that being a liberal was "bad."

You see, I just had my life's view. I didn't know that it was a category, that it had a name, a label.

In 1980, we began this long road towards the Right. We have shifted so much over the years, that I am no longer considered a "moderate" democrat. Instead, most people these days would consider me on the far Left.

You are a "new" democrat. You have only known life after Reagan. We were shifting to the Right long before you became politically aware. Your political compass is different than mine. This is not necessarily a bad thing...it's just different. After all, political parties have shifted positions throughout our history. Who would have believed that it was the Democrats of the 1860's that wanted to preserve slavery, while the Republicans fought to abolish it. The only thing that does not change is change itself.

Yeah, I wish you "new" democrats would have taken to the streets when Bush was preparing for an illegal war. However, that did not happen. When I was a new democrat, an illegal and ill advised war was stopped by the shear energy of those that protested and fought in the streets. Times have changed.

I'll continue this in just a bit...

-Dad



Here is a good article that sort of addresses the issue of the "new" democratic party:
http://collegetimes.us/would-jfk-be-a-democrat-today/

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:15 AM
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1. Your daughter is a lucky young woman...
And a smart one.

To be engaging her in this sort of discussion is wonderful for both of you.

You have helped her become a thoughtful person and this will stand her in good stead for all the years of her life.

Congratulations to you both!

K&R

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:01 AM
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2. That's a wonderful letter to your daughter.
I'm sure you've given her a lot to think about ~
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:18 AM
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3. There were protestors for Bush's illegal war
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 01:42 AM
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4. Well that sounds pretty damn condescending to me.
People did take to the streets to protest against going to war with Iraq thousands and thousands of people did. Why didn't you? And why is up to your daughter to do it for you?

The protests against the "Ill advised war" of your day were as much about the draft that came with it as about anything to do with weather or not it was the right thing to do. Also you make it out like those wars were just halted abruptly as if they didn't drag on for years first.


I don't know if you had a point in this letter other than to be condescending to your daughter but if you sent it to me I would take it as the ramblings of someone who looked back on his glory days with rose colored glasses.

Maybe your daughter doesn't care for those less fortunate than her I have no way of knowing as I don't know her but I would be willing to bet she does every bit as much as you supposedly do. It also sounds to me like despite your "hanging out at DU" She is also better informed than you are since you learned some things from her links to what is in the health care bill.

And what in the world makes you think the democrats of JFK's era are any more or less liberal than the "new Democrats" of today?

Sorry but that letter sounded like complete hogwash to me and I have no idea why in the world you posted it here.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 10:57 AM
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8. Sorry You Feel That Way
Edited on Fri Apr-02-10 10:59 AM by Steely_Dan
You sound like one of the "new" democrats...and a defensive one at that.

I agree that protests took place against Bush's policies. In fact, the largest protests in human history took place during that time. Of course most of those protests took place overseas. And for the record, I did protest the war. I lost friends and family members due to my position. I was called a traitor and unamerican.

I know my daughter well. I hope that she didn't think I was being condescending. As I state in my letter to her...her political compass is different from mine (due to where she finds herself in history). I even state that it is not a bad thing, just a different thing.

The discussion I am having with my daughter is being addressed here on this board almost every day. I am proud that my daughter is a loyal democrat. I was only trying to give her some perspective on how the democratic party has changed.

-P
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eyeofdelphi Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 02:19 AM
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5. are you looking to adopt?
but seriously, it's a great thing that you and your daughter can have these discussions, and that you even bother to do it. i really wish my parents had even once discussed their political beliefs with me. they're republican, but i would still like to know why they believe what they believe and what they think it means to be republican. instead, any approach at a political topic ends in name calling and hateful words. but thank you. you have imparted some wisdom to me. as my now 2 year old son grows, i will discuss with him my political beliefs and motivations. it is something families should talk about together.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 02:51 AM
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7. Agreed and Well Said.
My Mom (an FDR Democrat that just celebrated her 90th Birthday, worked 6 days a week as a single Mom to take care of my Sister & Myself ) put it to me in a different way.


"When the Democrats are in office my purse gets fatter, when the Republicans are, it gets thinner."
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 02:47 AM
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6. Great Letter
From one Father of a Daughter to another...

You Are A Good Dad! :toast:
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