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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 01:46 AM
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Germany: Who is behind the neo-Nazi march in Duisburg?
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 01:47 AM by Hannah Bell
Neo-Nazis and right-wing extremists staged an anti-immigrant demonstration last weekend in the German city of Duisburg...

The neo-Nazis in Germany and Europe are largely a creation from above. By this, we mean that they are intentionally promoted by sections of the state and media in order to channel mounting opposition to unemployment and social cutbacks along racist and right-wing lines.

The Federal Constitutional Court stated in 2003 that every seventh functionary of the NPD was on the payroll of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Germany’s domestic intelligence agency)... The NPD receives millions of euros of taxpayers’ money in the form of election campaign subsidies. The police protect their demonstrations and target those opposing them...

Geert Wilders, the right-wing populist in the Netherlands, began his political career in the liberal People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), which for years participated in coalition governments with the Christian and social democrats to implement social cutbacks...Berlin’s former finance senator, Thilo Sarrazin (SPD—Social Democratic Party), has been stirring up right-wing extremists and hounding immigrants and the long-term unemployed for months...

When it comes to social cutbacks, all the political parties in Duisburg are the same. Only last week, the city council passed a gruelling austerity budget with votes from the SPD, the Greens and the Left party, who all helped to draw it up.

The racist campaign waged by Sarrazin and numerous other representatives of the ruling class is deliberately employed to steer the social crisis in a reactionary direction. This is just as much the case in the Netherlands and France, with the campaign against Islam, as it is in Germany...

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/mar2010/duis-m31.shtml
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 03:43 AM
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1. no comments on this? "every seventh functionary of the NDP on the intelligence payroll"?
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 03:45 AM by Hannah Bell
if germany's neo-nazis are bankrolled by intelligence, & their ranks swelled by intelligence, it should make one think, e.g., in reference to the teabaggers...& the media furor surrounding them...

whose interest is served by presenting the teabaggers as though they were a rising grassroots phenomena?

& what is being negliged when the news is full of the teabaggers' pitiful antics?


do intelligence & state agents promote civil violence? of course, e.g.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_1980_Bologna_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:03 AM
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2. That, Ma'am, Is A Fairly Common Ratio Of Informants To True Believers
Similar things have been said of the U.S. Communist Party, and of the various permutations of the Ku Klux Klan, and doubtless were accurate. The present 'militia movement' is probably honeycombed with paid informants and double agents as well. It was always said that the traditional size of a cell was three because once you got much above that number the chance that one member would be a police informant was a practical certainty.

The 'bankrolling' of this neo-nazi party seems not to come from the intelligence service but from the ordinary workings of the German system of public campaign financing, in which parties receive funds in some proportion to the vote they garner, plus a form of matching applied to private donations to political parties. People who press for public financing of campaigns would do well to look at some of the problems that can arise under such a system, for it can develop some distasteful features of its own.

It is hard to see much direct relevance of this to the present problem of the tea-baggers in our country. That these are called up and financed by private corporate interests has been amply demonstrated, though many of those dancing to these strings are unaware of it, and would angrily deny it. It is unnecessary to postulate Federal law enforcement activity being behind it, even if there was room, and even if the command of those organs was not in the hands of a Democratic administration. There probably are a variety of local law enforcement personnel who are enthusiastic members of the tea-bagging crowds, but that is another matter.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:04 AM
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3. you must have missed the implications of "on the payroll".
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 04:09 AM by Hannah Bell
& the fact that political groups in the us have similar ratios supports my thesis, not yours.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:14 AM
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4. It Seems To Me, Ma'am, You Read Too Much Into It
Informants are certainly 'carried on the pay-roll' in common parlance; they receive something like a salary or a regular commission, and are recorded on the books of the body using their services. There will also be sworn members of the service who join to infiltrate a quasi-legal and hugely distrusted body of this sort. The phrase does not obviously mean, or even carry any clear implication, that the activities of the party are controlled by the police, because one in seven of their members are policemen detailed to carry out police policy through neo-nazi activities. It would be interesting to know more about the decision of the Constitutional Court referred to, as the quote provided seems a bit 'stripped down', to put it mildly.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:27 AM
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7.  Provocateurs and criminals in the employ of the Brandenburg intelligence service
By Lena Sokoll
17 November 2003

German undercover agents known as “V-men” have been regularly recruited or infiltrated by the intelligence services on a state and national level into groups and organisations the secret services regard as politically dubious. The official function of such agents is to acquire firsthand information about the groups.

In practice, however, they have not limited their activities to merely passively gathering information. On occasion they have carried out major illegal and violent acts, and often play a leading role in the organisations under observation. They are, according to author Rolf Gössner’s apt description in his recently published book Geheime Informanten (Secret Informants), “criminals in the service of the state” <1>.

In the few brief years of its activity, since its foundation after the collapse of the German Democratic Republic (GDR), the Brandenburg intelligence service has gained notoriety for its use of provocateurs and criminals...

Carsten Szczepanski had already gained a reputation as a neo-Nazi at the beginning of the 1990s. He was part of the right-wing extremist skinhead milieu and had contact with the leadership of the National Front. He was also instrumental in establishing an offshoot of the Ku Klux Klan in Germany.

In 1992, police raided an apartment rented by Szczepanski and found four pipe bombs, explosive material and detonators. The police then undertook a preliminary inquiry on the suspicion that he was involved in founding a terrorist organisation. However, Szczepanski was never charged or sentenced for these crimes—indicating that he was at this point already being employed and receiving cover from the intelligence service.

Szczepanski/Piato opened a shop in a small east German town, Königs Wusterhausen, where he sold books and music with neo-fascist text and lyrics. He was the publisher of an extreme right magazine, United Skins, and played a leading role in building up the neo-fascist milieu that he was supposed to spy on for the intelligence service. He became chairman of the local branch of the NPD (German National Party), a member of the regional leadership of the NPD in Spreewald, and the organisational head and committee member of the NPD for the state of Brandenburg-Berlin.

V-man “Piato” took over a leading role in the party he was sent to spy on for the Brandenburg intelligence service—and his is not the only case. Over the past three years, the German government has been attempting to ban the NPD, but in the spring of this year the German constitutional court threw out the entire case after it became clear during investigations that the party has been heavily infiltrated by the intelligence service. Because every seventh member of the NPD was an operative of the intelligence service, the court was forced to confront the fact that agents working for the intelligence services inside the NPD had possibly been responsible for acts and behaviour that the state had sought to use as evidence to ban the party.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/nov2003/bran-n17.shtml
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:49 AM
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9. Not A Very Good Piece, Ma'am
What seems to have been at issue in the banning case was that some of the evidence the government presented in support of banning the N.P.D. had been created by persons who were informants or double-agents of the police. Three of eight judges felt that this created sufficient uncertainty over whether the party actually should be banned in consequence of its actions, or whether the government was simply being over-zealous in attempting to get it banned by creating offenses in its name. The matter was, in these judges' view, complicated further by the government's reluctance to reveal its roster of informants and double agents, so that they felt they could not be certain any offense committed by the party which might subject it to banning was not a government contrivance. Since banning a party requires a two-thirds majority of the eight judge panel, three judges were sufficient to prevent the banning of the party the government sought.

That unsavory characters are employed by the police in such situations goes without saying, and shocks few familiar with this sort of operation. It does not, however, come near establishing the line you are trying to press here.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:10 AM
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16. i'd find it easier to read your prose without the overlay of pompous roleplay, sir.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 05:14 AM by Hannah Bell
i posted the article in response to your request for further information on the subject of "one in seven" not to debate its merits or push a "line".

however, i note you allow this "unsavory practice" is in fact "standard practice".
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:15 AM
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17. You Chose, Ma'am, To Employ A Single Source, With A Definite Ideological View
You have commenced this thread to press the line that the 'Tea Party', and probably the militia movement, ought to be viewed as government contrivances to channel dissent into right-wing courses, offering as 'proof' claims that this is the case with present neo-nazi activities in Germany.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:44 AM
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18. blah blah blah. i made no such claim of "proof".
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 05:46 AM by Hannah Bell
and posted the second article because you requested more information about where the "one in seven" had come from.

your fake oratory is really annoying to read.

perhaps you're not much on history.

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:50 AM
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19. Good Luck Convincing Anyone But Yourself Of That, Ma'am
And even you do not believe what you said immediately above....
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:52 AM
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21. don't kid yourself, sir. & i don't make claims i don't believe, as i'm not a political operative.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:59 AM
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23. Of Course Not, Ma'am: It Is Obvious You Have No Particular Political Views At All....
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:27 AM
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31. whatever you say, magistrate.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:50 AM
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20. cointelpro
In the United States, the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had FBI agents pose as political radicals to disrupt the activities of radical political groups in the U.S., such as the Black Panthers, Ku Klux Klan, and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee.

New York City police officers were accused of acting as agents provocateurs during protests against the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York City.<1>

Denver police officers were also found to have used undercover detectives to instigate violence against police during the 2008 Democratic National Convention. This ultimately resulted in the accidental use of chemical agents against their own men.<2>

Europe

Notorious were the activities of agents provocateurs against revolutionaries in Imperial Russia. Yevno Azef is an example of such an agent provocateur.

It is alleged by British Liberal Democrat MP Tom Brake that the Metropolitan Police made use of agents provocateurs during the G20 Protests in London.<3>

Canada:

Three protesters in Montebello, Canada during the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America were caught acting as police provocateurs on August 20, 2007, by Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada. The entire incident was filmed and posted on YouTube before being picked up by mainstream media. The video <4> shows three masked men, one of whom was armed with a large rock, being confronted by peaceful protesters. After the men breached the police line, they were brought to the ground, handcuffed, and taken away. Photographs revealed that their boot-tread matched that of the arresting officers. Although they at first denied that the individuals in question were agents provocateurs, the Sûreté du Québec issued a news release on August 23 admitting that the three protesters were, in fact, police officers.<5><6>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur


False flag operations are covert operations which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example during Italy's strategy of tension.

Pseudo-operations
Pseudo-operations are those in which forces of one power disguise themselves as enemy forces. For example, a state power may disguise teams of operatives as insurgents and, with the aid of defectors, infiltrate insurgent areas.<13> The aim of such pseudo-operations may be to gather short or long-term intelligence or to engage in active operations, in particular assassinations of important enemies. However, they usually involve both, as the risks of exposure rapidly increase with time and intelligence gathering eventually leads to violent confrontation. Pseudo-operations may be directed by military or police forces, or both. Police forces are usually best suited to intelligence tasks; however, military provide the structure needed to back up such pseudo-ops with military response forces. According to US military expert Lawrence Cline (2005), "the teams typically have been controlled by police services, but this largely was due to the weaknesses in the respective military intelligence systems."

The State Political Directorate (OGPU) of the Soviet Union set up such an operation from 1921 to 1926. During Operation Trust, they used loose networks of White Army supporters and extended them, creating the pseudo-"Monarchist Union of Central Russia" (MUCR) in order to help the OGPU identify real monarchists and anti-Bolsheviks. An example of a successful assassination was United States Marine Sergeant Herman H. Hanneken leading a patrol of his Haitian Gendarmerie disguised as enemy guerrillas in 1919. The Patrol successfully passed several enemy checkpoints in order to assassinate the guerilla leader Charlemagne Péralte near Grand-Rivière du Nord. Hanneken was awarded the Medal of Honor and was commissioned a Second Lieutenant for his deed.

During the Mau Mau uprising in the 1950s, captured Mau Mau members who switched sides and specially trained British troops initiated the pseudo-gang concept to successfully counter Mau Mau terrorists. In 1960 Frank Kitson, (who was later involved in the Northern Irish conflict and is now a retired British General), published Gangs and Counter-gangs, an account of his experiences with the technique in Kenya; information included how to counter gangs and measures of deception, including the use of defectors, which brought the issue a wider audience.

Another example of combined police and military oversight of pseudo-operations include the Selous Scouts in former country Rhodesia (current Zimbabwe), governed by white minority rule until 1980. The Selous Scouts were formed at the beginning of Operation Hurricane, in November 1973, by Major (later Lieutenant Colonel) Ronald Reid-Daly. As all Special Forces in Rhodesia, by 1977 they were controlled by COMOPS (Commander, Combined Operations) Commander Lieutenant General Peter Walls. The Selous Scouts were originally composed of 120 members, with all officers being white and the highest rank initially available for Africans being colour sergeant. They succeeded in turning approximately 800 insurgents who were then paid by Special Branch, ultimately reaching the number of 1,500 members. Engaging mainly in long-range reconnaissance and surveillance missions, they increasingly turned to offensive actions, including the attempted assassination of ZIPRA leader Joshua Nkomo in Zambia. This mission was finally aborted by the Selous Scouts, and attempted again, unsuccessfully, by the Rhodesian Special Air Service.<14>

Some offensive operations attracted international condemnation, in particular the Selous Scouts' raid on a ZANLA (Zimbabwe African National Liberation Army) camp at Nyadzonya Pungwe, Mozambique in August 1976. ZANLA was then led by Josiah Tongogara. Using Rhodesian trucks and armored cars disguised as Mozambique military vehicles, 84 scouts killed 1,000 refugees in the camp, registered as a refugee camp by the United Nations (UN). Even according to Reid-Daly, most of those killed were unarmed guerrillas standing in formation for a parade. The camp hospital was also set ablaze by the rounds fired by the Scouts, killing all patients.<15> According to David Martin and Phyllis Johnson, who visited the camp shortly before the raid, it was only a refugee camp which did not host any guerrillas.<16>

According to a 1978 study by the Directorate of Military Intelligence, 68% of all insurgent deaths inside Rhodesia could be attributed to the Selous Scouts, who were disbanded in 1980.<17>

Civilian usage
While false flag operations originate in warfare and government, they also can occur in civilian settings among certain factions, such as businesses, special interest groups, religions, political ideologies and campaigns for office.

Businesses
In business and marketing, similar operations are being employed in some public relations campaigns (see Astroturfing). Telemarketing firms practice false flag type behavior when they pretend to be a market research firm (referred to as "sugging"). In some rare cases, members of an unsuccessful business will destroy some of their own property to conceal an unrelated crime (e.g. safety violations, embezzlement, etc.) but make it appear as though the destruction was done by a rival company.

Political campaigning
Political campaigning has a long history of this tactic in various forms, including in person, print media and electronically in recent years. This can involve when supporters of one candidate pose as supporters of another, or act as “straw men” for their preferred candidate to debate against. This can happen with or without the candidate's knowledge. The Canuck letter is an example of one candidate creating a false document and attributing it as coming from another candidate in order to discredit that candidate.

In 2006, individuals practicing false flag behavior were discovered and "outed" in New Hampshire<19><20> and New Jersey<21> after blog comments claiming to be from supporters of a political candidate were traced to the IP address of paid staffers for that candidate's opponent.

Ideological

Political or religious ideologies will sometimes use false flag tactics. This can be done to discredit or implicate rival groups, create the appearance of enemies when none exist, or create the illusion of organized and directed opposition when in truth, the ideology is simply unpopular with society.


A bomb threat forged by Scientology operativesThe Church of Scientology stole some stationery from an author's home and then used that stationery to forge bomb threats and have them mailed to a Scientology office. Scientology also had a plan for further operations known as Operation Freakout, but several Scientology operatives were arrested in a separate investigation and the plan failed.<22>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:57 AM
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22. Indeed, Sir: None Of This Is New, And Many Others Could Be Adduced
But it does not nearly suffice to sustain the claims in the initial article.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:12 AM
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25. whatever you say, magistrate.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:09 AM
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24. Okhrana
The Okhrannoye otdeleniye (Russian: Охранное отделение, meaning Security Section or Security Station), also the Okhrana or Tsarist Okhranka in Western sources, or diminutive Okhranka by those dissatisfied with the tsarist regime, was a secret police force of the Russian Empire and part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) in late 1800s, aided by Special Corps of Gendarmes.

As the name suggests, the primary purpose of the agency was the security of the tsar and royal family, including, but not limited to, fighting hostile organizations: terrorists ("bombists"), socialists, and revolutionaries.

The task was performed by any means, including covert operations, undercover agents, and "perlustration" — reading of private correspondence. Even the Foreign Agency served this purpose. The Okhrank is notoriously known for its agents provocateurs — Dr. Jacob Zhitomirsky (a leading Bolshevik and close associate of Vladimir Lenin), Yevno Azef, and Dmitry Bogrov. Of note is the Bloody Sunday event, when imperial guards killed hundreds of unarmed workers who were peacefully marching during a protest organized by an Okhrana agent provocateur, Father Gapon.

The Okhrana tried to compromise labour movement by creating police-run trade unions, the practice known as zubatovshchina. Other controversial activities of the agency included fabrication of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion document and fabrication of the antisemitic Beilis trial.

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Okhrana


At the Okhrana buildings (16 Fontanka, Petrograd), there was a secret room entered only by the chief of police and the officer in charge of sorting documents. It was the centre of the secret service. Its basic contents consisted of the filing system on the provocateurs, in which we found over 35,000 names.

At the head of the Socialist-Revolutionary Party and its combat organisation, up to 1909, was the engineer Evno Azev, who from 1890 onwards had been sending reports to the police signed with his own name. Azev was one of the organisers of the executions of Grand Duke Sergei, the minister Plehve and many others...

On the Bolshevik Central Committee, and leading its Duma faction, as we have seen, was the secret agent Malinovsky.

Provocation, when it becomes so widely extended, becomes a danger even to the regime it serves, and above all to the men at the head of this regime. It is known, for example, that one of the highest officials of the Ministry of the Interior, the policeman Rachkovsky, knew and approved of the plans for the execution of Plehve and of Grand Duke Sergei. Stolypin, well informed on this score, was accompanied whenever he went out by the police chief Gerasimov, whose presence he took to be a guarantee against attacks instigated by provocateurs. Stolypin was nonetheless killed by the anarchist Bagrof, who had belonged to the police...




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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:15 AM
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26. US Labor Movement
One of agent provocateur Joe Burton's main targets was the United Electrical Workers Union (UE). The FBI falsified records to get Burton into UE Tampa Local 1201 soon after its successful 1973 organizing drive upset the Westinghouse Corporation's plan to develop a chain of non-union plants in the South. Burton's attacks on genuine activists repeatedly disrupted UE meetings. His ultra-left proclamations in the union's name antagonized newly organized workers and gave credibility to the company's red-baiting. Burton also helped the FBI move against the United Farm Workers and the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME).

In the mid-1970s, the FBI was instrumental in covering up the murder of labor activist Karen Silkwood and the theft of her files documenting the radioactive contamination of workers at the Kerr-McGee nuclear fuel plant near Oklahoma City. Silkwood, elected to the Oil, Chemical, and Atomic Workers local bargaining committee, had amassed proof that the company was falsifying safety reports to hide widespread exposure to dangerous levels of highly carcinogenic plutonium. She was killed when her car crashed into a concrete embankment en route to a November 13, 1974 meeting with New York Times reporter David Burnham. Her files were never recovered from the wreck.

While prominent independent experts concluded that Silkwood's car was bumped from behind and forced off the road, the FBI found that she fell asleep at the wheel after overdosing on quaaludes and that she never had any files. It quickly closed the case, and helped Kerr-McGee sabotage congressional investigations and posthumously slander Silkwood as a mentally unstable drug addict. Key to the smear campaign were articles and testimony by Jacque Srouji, a Tennessee journalist secretly in the employ of the FBI, who later confessed to having served in a long string of 1960s COINTELPRO operations.

In 1979, government operatives played key roles in the massacre of communist labor organizers during a multi-racial anti-Klan march in Greensboro, North Carolina. Heading the KKK/Nazi death squad was Ed Dawson, a long-time paid FBI/police informer in the Klan. Leading the local American Nazi Party branch into Dawson's "United Racist Front" was U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms undercover agent Bernard Butkovich. Though their controlling agencies were fully warned of the Front's murderous plans, they did nothing to protect the demonstrators. Instead, the police gave Dawson a copy of the march route and withdrew as his caravan moved in for the kill. Dawson's sharpshooters carefully picked off key cadre of the Communist Workers Party (CWP), including the president and president-elect of two Amalgamated Clothing and Textile Workers Union locals, an organizer at a third local mill, and a leader of AFSCME's organizing drive at a nearby medical center. In the aftermath, the FBI attempted to cover up the government's role and to put the blame on the CWP.

At the turn of the decade, the Bureau joined with Naval Intelligence and the San Diego Police to neutralize a militant multi-racial union at the shipyards of the National Steel and Shipbuilding Company, a major U.S. naval contractor. The Bureau paid Ramon Barton to infiltrate Ironworkers Local 627 when it elected leftist officers and began to publicly protest dangerous working conditions. After an explosion from a gas leak killed two workers, Barton lured three others into helping him build a bomb and transport it in his van, where they were arrested. Though the workers entrapped by Barton were not union officials and were acquitted of most charges by a San Diego jury, the Ironworkers International used their trial as a pretext for placing the local in trusteeship and expelling its elected officers...

http://mediafilter.org/MFF/USDCO.Labor.html
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:17 AM
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27. US: Attorney: FBI trained NJ blogger to incite others
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - A New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for allegedly making threats against lawmakers and judges was trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative, his attorney said Tuesday.
Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," defense attorney Michael Orozco said.

"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.

Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.

"But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Orozco said.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A5GCC80
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:22 AM
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28. German Intelligence Officers Detained in Kosovo
Tensions are mounting between Berlin and Pristina following the arrest of three German intelligence agents on terrorism charges in Kosovo.

The three men were arrested last Wednesday on suspicion of throwing explosives at the office of the EU Special Representative Peter Feith on Nov. 14. The men who, according to SPIEGEL information, are members Germany's foreign intelligence agency the Bundesnachtrichtendienst (BND) deny involvement in the blast and claim they were only examining the scene. The explosion shattered windows in the building but no one was hurt.

On Saturday a Pristina district court judge ordered that the men be detained for 30 days on terrorism charges that could carry sentences of up to 20 years. Court documents seen by the Associated Press show that the prosecutor, Feti Tunuzliu, alleges that the suspects had intended to disrupt the EU's efforts to deploy its new police mission in Kosovo.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,592298,00.html
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:24 AM
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29. A terrible week for German spy agencies
The Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany’s foremost domestic intelligence organization, is firmly in the hot seat after it emerged that a woman it employed as an undercover informer was among seven extremists indicted for helping operate a hardcore neo-Nazi online radio station. The woman, who has been identified only as “Sandra F.”, had been hired by the spy agency to monitor the German People’s Union (DVU), a national socialist political grouping with substantial following in Brandenburg and Saxony. But in turns out that, while spying for the government, she was also busy strengthening the neo-Nazi group’s online presence through the European Brotherhood Station, which, among other things, aired instructions on how to build homemade bombs.

http://intelligencenews.wordpress.com/2009/11/18/02-204/

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:26 AM
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30. The CIA's former friend
On May Day, the NPD tried to take its game onto the turf of the Left by
staging "pro-worker" demonstrations in several German cities, including
Berlin, where the star speaker was veteran neo-Nazi agitator Friedhelm
Busse. Formerly one of the youngest members of the Hitler Youth, Busse, 71,
roused the crowd with anti-foreigner and anti-American vitriol that
elicited loud cheers from shaven-head teenagers and 20-somethings who waved
illegal imperial German black-and-white flags. Violence erupted after Busse
ended his pep talk with a line from an old Nazi song: "We're marching for
Hitler day and night because of the need for freedom and bread."

Busse's status as an elder statesman among hard-core neo-Nazis in Germany
is all the more troubling given that his checkered past includes a
controversial stint with the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency. Back in the
early 1950s, Busse joined the Bund Deutscher Jugend (BDJ), an elite,
CIA-trained paramilitary organization composed largely of ex-Hitler Youth,
Wehrmacht and SS personnel in West Germany. Busse and his fellow Bundists
were primed to go underground and engage in acts of sabotage and resistance
in the event of a Soviet invasion. But instead of focusing on foreign
enemies, Busse's "stay behind" unit proceeded to draw up a death list that
included future Chancellor Willi Brandt and other leading Social Democrats
(West Germany's main opposition party), who were marked for liquidation in
case of an ill-defined national security emergency.

The Bund's cover was blown in October 1952, when the West German press got
wind that U.S. intelligence was backing a neo-Nazi death squad. Embarrassed
State Department officials, who tried to cover up the full extent of
American involvement with the youth group, admitted privately that the
scandal had resulted in "a serious loss of U.S. prestige."

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg43494.html.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:33 AM
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32. Grant Bristow, canadian intelligence & "nazi"
...was a mole for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) working inside the Heritage Front for six years, who was exposed by Toronto Sun reporter Bill Dunphy in August 1994 (several months after ending his work).

His time inside the Heritage Front was extremely controversial in Canada when exposed, due to much of his activity being viewed as that of a contributory nature (the Toronto Sun headline of August 14, 1994 read "Spy Unmasked: CSIS Informant 'Founding Father' of white racist group").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Bristow
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:38 AM
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35. Elohim city, usa
The key to Howe's story is Elohim City, a primitive community founded
Robert Millar, a right-wing preacher. It was a common meeting place for
militant white supremacists over the years, including members of The
Order, a racist gang that murdered Jewish radio talk show host Alan Berg
and staged a series of high-profile bank robberies in the early 1980s.
As Time magazine confirmed on February 24, 1997, "The city's guest list
over the years has been a veritable Who's Who of the radical right."

...Founder Millar repeatedly shared information with law enforcement officials. During a June 31, 1997 court proceeding, FBI Senior Agent Peter Rickel testified Millar was in regular contact with
the agency in the years before the bombing. Millar confirmed that he
frequently talked to government officials the next day, telling the
Tulsa World newspaper that he had answered questions from such agencies
as the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Writing about the revelation in the July 1, 1997 issue of the McCurtain
Daily Gazette, Cash said, "Millar's position as a mole for the FBI could
explain why the compound has never been raided. Despite its use as a
hideout for gunrunners, drug dealers, bank robbers and suspected members
of the conspiracy that bombed the Alfred E. Murrah federal building in
Oklahoma City, Elohim City has enjoyed a reputation as a place where
fugitives can live without fear of arrest."

Another informant who lived at Elohim City was James Ellison, a former
CSA member who helped devise the original Murrah building bombing plan
in the early 1980s. A few year later, Ellison testified in court against
several members of The Order. Because of this, he was considered a
traitor and snitch by all racist leaders - except Millar. On May 19,
1995, Ellison even married Millar's daughter, Angela.

The leader of the Aryan Republican Army was also an informant. Peter
Langan, the son of a retired U.S. Marine intelligence officer, and
Richard Guthrie, another racist, robbed a Pizza Hut in Georgia in
October 1992. A short time later, Langan was arrested by Georgia
authorities. Remarkably, the U.S. Secret Service intervened, arranging
for Langan to be released on a signature bond. At the time, the Secret
Service said that Langan had agreed to find Guthrie, who was suspected
of threatening the President. Langan did not turn Guthrie in, however.
Instead, the two men formed the ARA, recruited several other members,
and launched one of the most successful bank robbery sprees in U.S.
history.

http://www.apfn.org/OKC/doc.htm.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:44 AM
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38. Neo-Nazi rally was organized by FBI informant
A paid FBI informant was the man behind a neo-Nazi march through the streets of Parramore that stirred up anxiety in Orlando's black community and fears of racial unrest that triggered a major police mobilization.

That revelation came Wednesday in an unrelated federal court hearing and has prompted outrage from black leaders, some of whom demanded an investigation into whether the February 2006 march was, itself, an event staged by law-enforcement agencies.

The FBI would not comment on what it knew about the involvement of its informant, 39-year-old David Gletty of Orlando, in the neo-Nazi event. In court Wednesday, an FBI agent said the bureau has paid its informant at least $20,000 during the past two years.

Orlando City Councilwoman Daisy Lynum, whose district includes the march route west of Interstate 4, said she wants to know who was behind the march, the neo-Nazis or the FBI and other law-enforcement agencies.

"If it was staged, I would feel very uncomfortable and would ask for a full-scale investigation," Lynum said. "To come into a predominantly black community which could have resulted in great harm to the black community? I would hate to be part of a game. It's a mockery to the community for someone else to be playing a game with the community."

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=20317.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:37 AM
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34. bwahahahaha.
aren't you the defensive one.

what fun!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:40 AM
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37. whatever you say, cali.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:16 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. Same was true when I was in SDS. We always assumed
the omnipresence of moles. Now as to the Palin drones, I assume they are all a media distraction, bought and paid for or not, since the real action lies in executive orders and clandestine committee meetings whose not-so-ulterior aim is the social renewal (removal) of the historically irksome Middle Class.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:18 AM
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6. in Hannah world there are no racists, there are only exploited workers
being brainwashed an used by the "elite".
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:30 AM
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8. In a cali world, people's identity is mystical & inborn, & not a product of their actual
social existence.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:51 AM
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10. um, no dear.
In Cali world, it's not either/or. And it's certainly not related to anything mystical.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:03 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. lol. you can read "mystical" in the marxist sense.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #10
39. "no dear" -- how adult.
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 04:52 AM
Response to Reply #8
11. Hmm. Hannah vs. Cali. This could be interesting.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 04:58 AM by howard112211
:popcorn:



;) :evilgrin: :hippie:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:00 AM
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12. lol. who's who there? am i the one in kimono?
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howard112211 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:04 AM
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14. The one in the kimono dies at the end.
;)
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 05:07 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. so do we all. one's death is unimportant.
Edited on Wed Mar-31-10 05:07 AM by Hannah Bell
code of the warrior.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:34 AM
Response to Reply #15
33. Picture is courtesey of Quentin Tarantino/Kill Bill.
David Dellinger(Chicago 7), in a lecture at Pitzer College during the 70s made the comment that there were one-in-three FBI moles in the SDS.

In many cases, they were the ones who suggested the most outrageous plots which resulted in many arrests.

These operations/operatives seem to be the same world-wide, no matter the country.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-10 06:39 AM
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36. intelligence recruited anti-war folks in seattle area to blow up the floating bridge in 70s.
true story.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #33
40. Yes, the famous agents-provocateurs!!
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