7 arrested in FBI raid of Christian militia group. Rapture-ready board all enraged.

[Bluebear]

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?131683-Seven-arrested-in-FBI-raids-linked-to-Christian-militia-group

HEADLINE: Seven arrested in FBI raids linked to Christian militia group

Responses:

I really don't know much about this group, but what concerns me is that it's a Muslim Militia group that is helping the FBI to arrest them.
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What I think is extraordinary is that this militia was training to battle the antichrist when they are arrested by the F.B.I., or the current administration.
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This really irritates me. Islamberg in New York state appears to operate with virtual impunity, but God forbid a Christian militia group mention muslims!!! At least at this point, it seems the mere mention brought down the hammer. As a side note to this morass, it is reported that since around December 2009, the men from Islamberg have disappeared. Do you think they might have gone oversees to train so they could come back and terrorize Americans???? I'm beginning to wonder if this administration gives a dang about this nation and its patriots. I'm getting the picture that we are becoming like the Jews under the Nazis. Am I being to melodramatic? :eyes: Muslims frequently threaten Americans - even openly in our streets and it is called "freedom of speech." Patriots, however, are mentioned n DHS reports, roundly denounced and demonized as violent by this administration....now this. Are they hoping to provoke violence so that they can declare martial law, get rid of all their opposition, and follow through on their threats to "change" America?
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I would like to know what the FBI protocols are for following up on accusations. Do they have anything to do with ethnicity or beliefs of the accused? Or with whom is in a protected class?

The FBI used to be a bulwark of honest law enforcement. Now they seem to be a political tool.
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I was just reading about this on Drudge.
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Homeland Security and Napolitano have their fingerprints all over this one. Obama and Nepaolitano would do well to investigate the islamic terrorist militia's scattered all over the country linked to alQaeda, and leave these harmless, tho maybe flaky Christian groups alone.

[L0oniX]

1. Battling the antichrist? wow!

[Bluebear]

2. By which I'm sure they mean our President. Lunatics.

[Dappleganger]

11. RR-types have been claiming that the anti-christ is pretty much any

democratic president which has ever been elected. I remember it as a child in my parent's pentacostal church, they claimed Jimmy Carter was the anti-christ. Then Bill Clinton, etc.

[Sebastian Doyle]

12. now that makes no sense at all

If they were true believers in fundie Rapture theology, they wouldn't be concerned with fighting the Antichrist, because they would be beamed up to Heaven before the rule of the AC begins.

As far as them believing Obama is the AC, then again, they would be in conflict with there own doctrine, because the Antichrist isn't supposed to take power until after the Rapture. In fact, the "Left Behind" book/movie series (and other common interpretations of fundie doctrine) portrays the Rapture itself, and resulting panic from the disappearance of millions of people as the international emergency which allows the Antichrist to rise in the first place.

So what exactly would a "Christian" militia be training for? :shrug:

[kestrel91316]

17. Dunno. One would think that Jesus, being all-powerful, wouldn't need a lick of help

battling all those demons and evil people all by himself.

[Raksha]

44. I think even on the Rapture-Ready board they have stopped believing in the Rapture,

but can't admit it even to themselves. It's been replaced by a kind of closet Dominionism. That's the reason for all the inconsistencies you noted, and it's also why they support these "Christian warriors."

[Bluebear]

45. 'It's been replaced by a kind of closet Dominionism'

Indeed and very insightful.

[DevonRex]

46. Exactly. They need to turn in their fundamentalist credentials ASAP.

I was raised fundy and still remember the timeline all these years later.

[rbixby]

48. Don't point out the holes in their stories!

These folks depend on people not really reading the entire book of revelation! If you start to point out that their idea of the scripture is probably wrong (and then back it up with the real deal) they tend to freak out. A Christian fundie in full on freak out mode is something nobody should have to see.

[Sebastian Doyle]

49. Can't help it. I know the doctrine too well

I never bought the right wing political side of fundaMentalist "Christianity" but I was into the religious side of it back in high school. Back then I took the term "millennial reign" literally, and thought that the Rapture would have to take place in 1993, in order for Jesus to return and establish His earthly kingdom in the year 2000.

Of course, I was over all that by the time 1993 rolled around, so it's not like I was actually disappointed when the Rapture didn't happen. I probably would have been drunk and missed it, if it had anyway.

[jdp349]

31. sounds like series business!

[Roland99]

3. Yeah, "Christian" groups with bomb-making materials are "harmless"

:eyes:

[L0oniX]

4. They are also harmless to abortion doctors.

[EFerrari]

6. Harmless like that God fearing man, George Bush, maybe?

[G_j]

5. Am I being to melodramatic?

is water wet?

I guess I don't really want to know where he, or she gets their 'information'.
:scared:

[EFerrari]

7. The insanity of these people is more scary than pipe bombs. n/t

[G_j]

10. it truly is, feels like the freakin' dark ages

where ignorance is a virtue and reason is a sin.

[mediaman007]

14. I was thinking the same thing. We are headed for another Dark Ages!

[SolidGold]

24. They are - we aren't, we're in control and we have the power

So next time you think ones coming keep talking to people and educating them on the issues of the day. That's the only way to stay ahead of their game.

[tnlefty]

8. Thanks for going there and bringing it back here so I don't

have to, and the nutters I most often find amusing, then I feel kinda guilty about being amused by the nutters.

Your bolded quote 'like the Jews under the Nazis' has me snickering and snorting all over the place.:rofl: :blush:

"The FBI used to be a bulwark of honest law enforcement,' :rofl: yeah, like under Hoover?

Thanks for the laughs, I'll feel guilty tomorrow or the next day, right now this is just hilarious.

[upi402]

20. Hoover was another rightwing snappy dresser

Conservatives are so twisted!

[Bluebear]

43. Face it. You loved it. You still loved it.

Dirty, dirty lefty! :)

[tnlefty]

47. When I was talking to my oldest last night, the obligatory 'I made

the drive back to school safely' call, I was tellin him about this and mentioned that I might feel guilty today, he laughed and said no. Tuesday? Again no. He mentioned that I might have a slight twinge of guilt about laughing at the insane, but it would be fleeting and I'd be over it soon.

Then we were talking about some of the other threads you'd posted and we were both laughing. No guilt yet today, and I live amongst the loons - people who won't read the newspaper 'cause the preacher tells them it's an instrument of the devil. When I engage them in person, I try really hard to not laugh in their faces and biting the inside of the mouth helps along with sucking one's lips into the mouth, but sometimes I fail and snicker at them in person.:evilgrin:

[Cirque du So-What]

9. I had never heard of 'Islamberg' before this post

Apparently, nobody has ever posted anything about it on DU either. A Google search reveals that the woo is strong, with freepville & FAUX attempting to create a tempest in a teapot. There was no mention of the place that I could find on any of the so-called 'liberal media.'

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Rapture Ready ain't the worry

now my bet is on O Leilly to claim that a Christian group got like rounded up and shit. While Beck will make comparisons to the Third Reich... like the woman did.

El Rushbo will wait to see how it plays before jumping into the proverbial water.

[patrice]

15. The Violence that these groups promote doesn't strike them as anti- Christ?

Is the world not under the total dominion of Violence? - just as they say the anti-Christ will bring everyone under its dominion?

Who amongst these folks has been saying, in effect, "Crucify him/them, crucify him/them!!" in the debate over Universal Health Care? Who said "Crucify him/them, crucify him/them!!!" in the build up to the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq?

[jwirr]

18. You are very close to the answers. Anti-Christ - someone who turns

people from Christ while claiming to be the Christian?

[patrice]

21. That's a very interesting refinement of the thought: the anti-Christ would have to be "Christian".

If it were not Christian, then it wouldn't be the anti-Christ, it would be the non-Christ.

To be the opposite of something, you have to be that thing to begin with, thus the negation.

It surprises me how true The Bible actually is, just not necessarily in the ways that are conventionally assumed.

[CanonRay]

16. All flaky Christian groups sell pipe bombs.

Right? That makes them harmless. :hurts:

[Subdivisions]

19. Get the picture? It's ok to be Christian militants but not OK to be Islamic militants. n/t

[Bluebear]

23. "Why don't the good Muslims renounce the terrorists???!!1"

There you have it. :)

[Lint Head]

22. The truth is, if the omnipresent being with omniscient powers

really wanted to end the world and bring about blissful heaven he already would have!

It's like the logic of the WMD thing in Iraq. If Saddam had weapons of mass destruction he would have frigging used them when we frigging invaded. All I have to say is Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!!!!!!!!

[niceypoo]

25. "what concerns me is that it's a Muslim Militia group that is helping the FBI to arrest them"

Like my sister always said when we were kids, "Oh brudder."

[boppers]

29. LOL, It's a Michigan Militia member, who happens to be Muslim as well.

MM is non-denominational, Hutaree is (was?) not.

[Matariki]

26. "training to battle the antichrist"

:rofl:

[prolesunited]

27. Where do they get their info?

"Muslims frequently threaten Americans - even openly in our streets and it is called "freedom of speech."

I would like a documented list of all of these incidents.

[realisticphish]

41. it probably happens

in San Francisco, or New York, or another one of them there liberocommunifacist places

[southernyankeebelle]

28. Why do people join these groups if they don't mean any harm to anyone? I

believe if you go about your business of living your life than you have no problems. They must have something on this group.

[Garbo 2004]

30. What are they worried about? They'll get their Miranda rights, attorneys if they can't afford 'em

and a trial by judge and jury where the prosecution has to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt. It's that old Constitutional rights thing.

Or would they prefer them to be shipped off to Gitmo or another foreign country without charges and subject to "enhanced interrogation" based on suspicion alone like the Bush Administration did with those suspected of terrorist inclinations or actions?

They just love throwing away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for everyone else except themselves.

[Clyde39]

32. Why do we only hear of these groups during Democratic administrations?

Maybe there were incidents during the Reagan/Bush/Bush years, but I can't recall any.

[old mark]

33. Harmless christian bombers of goodwill-we are killing you all to save your souls.

These people are fucking nuts and should all be rounded up - I'd love to see their worst fantasies come true.

mark

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Wait a minute. Can't they just be teleported out of jail when the "rapture" comes?

Doesn't sound like their faith is very strong. :shrug:

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[SolidGold]

36. You see kids, religion makes you retarded.

I think above poster says it best.

[blondeatlast]

37. Belief as fashion. Yeah, that'll work. I still say artichokes, dammit. nt

[blondeatlast]

38. Poor Christians, all persecuted and all. Wait, I am one--and I'm not being persecuted.

Do tell--am I going about this Christianity thing all wrong?

[Bluebear]

42. =)

[Bluebear]

40. What a big bunch of nothing that post was!

[madeline_con]

39. "... it's a Muslim Militia group that is helping the FBI..."

So friggin what? Troll.