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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:11 AM
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Canada's veiled immigration problems (wearing veil in Canada)
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/canada/100317/muslim-headscarf-Canada-immigrants

Naema Ahmed, a 29-year-old Egyptian, was attending a government-sponsored class in Montreal for immigrants who want to learn French. In the middle of writing an exam, she was pulled out of class by a provincial official, who gave her a stark choice — remove the veil or leave the class. Ahmed left. There are no laws in Quebec that ban women from covering their faces with a veil. But in backing the actions of bureaucrats, Quebec’s immigration minister, Yolande James, made one up on the spot.

“There is no ambiguity on this question: If you want to our classes, if you want to integrate in Quebec society, here our values are that we want to see your face,” James said, adding that legislation to deal with similar incidents would soon be introduced. The paradox, of course, is that Ahmed wanted to integrate by learning French. But the government, by banning her from classes, is pushing her to the margins of Quebec society.

Some obvious questions are rarely asked: Why should citizens from ethnic minority backgrounds accept values that have failed to ease social and racial inequality in Western countries? Why should religious symbols be banned and brand-labeled clothing tolerated? If laws that oblige people to dress according to religious dictates are considered outrageous, how can those that oblige people not to do so in Western societies be admirable?

What’s clear is that the veil — a divisive issue among Muslims themselves — is worn by a miniscule number of women in Western countries. Estimates in France place the number at 1,900, among a Muslim population of about 5 million. In Canada, you can walk the streets of downtown Toronto — the most multicultural city in the country — without spotting one for weeks. Yet, a veiled face has become the poster image of “the other.” For those who buy into the “clash of civilization” argument, it also symbolizes Muslim hordes at the gates.

Tony Judt, the British-born historian living in New York, recently noted a paradox of globalization: as borders fall to the mass movement of goods and people, local citizens, fearful and uncertain, increasingly look to their leaders for protection. The politics of identity become, as Judt puts it, “a flimsy cover for political exploitation of anti-immigrant sentiment – and a blatant ploy to deflect economic anxiety onto minority targets.”
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We have a few African American Muslims in our small town who were the veil. I've seen them walking on the bike path and shopping around town. Our town like most rural areas is fairly conservative, but these women don't seem to have any reluctance to wear the veil. I haven't spoken with them other than to exchange pleasantries, so they may have more problems in our town than I can tell. Or merchants and government officials may have trouble dealing with them being veiled that I am not aware of.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:16 AM
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1. Jingoism pure and simple
I've encountered it all my life. It's all part and parcel of racism and bigotry.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:18 AM
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2. "these women don't seem to have any reluctance to wear the veil"
I have to ask: How would you know? The consequences for not doing so within family and community are generally pretty uncomfortable. You can be "forced" without having a gun to your head. Chances are a woman who did not like wearing it, would never let that fact be known unless they were prepared to walk away from family and friends forever. Also women immigrating from some of these cultures have been taught through example from birth that a woman who disobeys will most likely be beaten and occasionally killed. Veils are worn in the MOST oppressive of these cultures in regards to women.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:00 AM
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4. You're right. I was referring to any potential reaction from the outside community, but
your point is well taken with regards to them possibly being forced by their families to wear the veil in the first place.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:34 AM
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6. And it is not always "forced" as we think of forced.
Edited on Thu Mar-18-10 08:35 AM by Tailormyst
Often times with women it is an understanding of consequences that is the instrument of force. They grow up knowing what will happen if they dissent from what the males expect and they behave accordingly because they don't want to be, at the very least, ostracized. Choice is only choice when someone is truly free, mentally and physically to make that choice.

It's always a tough topic.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 07:23 AM
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3. The issue is teachers wearing it. Kids have been socialized to fear people that cover their faces.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 08:02 AM
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5. scarf on the head? No problem. Loose robe? No problem. Veil OVER face? No way.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 09:07 PM
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7. There are other sides to the story where she insisted on not interacting with males
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