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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:17 AM
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Dennis Kucinich's petition "Health Care is a Civil Right"
http://healthcare.kucinich.us/petition /

I signed.

God bless him for trying in this corporate country.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:19 AM
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1. k/r
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robinblue Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:22 AM
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2. K and R.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:33 AM
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9. welllcommmmeee tooo DU!
:hug:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:23 AM
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3. k&r for Dennis.
Sign the petition!
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:25 AM
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4. I see him more as an obstructionist.....
He is all talk but lacks any successful leadership accomplishments. Ya know, it's so very easy to point out negatives; so very simple to whine, stomp ones feet and bellow for weeks on end on why something is wrong...that is all Dennis actually accomplishes. Never has he shown leadership with a predictable, successful outcome within any of his Congressional tenure.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:29 AM
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5. yes, he is obstructing big giveaways to insurance companies
and god bless him for that.

one person with a spine.

the last hurrah before this country is completely destroyed by multinational corporations who want to suck the life out of ordinary people .

at least we have a few heroes left who stand up to corporate takeover of this nation.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:32 AM
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8. +1000
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:34 AM
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10. So The Status Quo Is Just Fine??
Letme see if I get this line of "logic" straight. If St. Dennis votes agsinst the health insurance reform (and that's what it's really been all along) bill then somehow the multinational corporations won't "suck the life out of ordinary people"? That leaving things the way they are will be far better than whatever honest and true reforms (pre-existing conditions for example) are included in the bill?

I'm just trying to get the latest talking point straight...
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:17 AM
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24. If corpos are going to continue to suck our blood, why give them tax dollars
--to help them do it? Deficit spending is only helpful when it is PRODUCTIVE. Dumping it into the coffers of useless parasites is extremely damaging.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:10 AM
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26. So I Guess The Status Quo Is Just Fine...
The "corpos" aren't going away...and in many cases we need them. I know that heresy, but the truth. Do you think a single payer system run by a bunch of beaurucrats will be much different than the system we have now? Just paying different gatekeepers that's all. It's competition that keeps the corporates honest...and this is where the focus has to be. It's why I've always been a strong advocate of public option to create greater competition...then follow it up with serious enforcement of existing laws.

Now then there's the qusetion of "productive" defecit spending. I think saving lives and helping those with little or no health care is very productive.

Bottom line is considering how poluted our political environment is right now, there's not going to be a "perfect" bill...and those who think there will be, I'm waiting as to how you're going to get the 219 votes in the house and 51 in the Senate. These aren't talking points, this is fact. Now you can work to replace every member or be willing to wait for years and decades, cause if this bill fails, the blood will be on everyone's hands...we had a chance to do something and didn't.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 01:43 AM
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31. Insurance is not CARE. Wasting money on shitty insurance prevents care
I WANT the governemnt to be my gatekeeper, as they are not in the business of kiiling and bankrupting people for profit. My husband is old enough for government care and I am not, so I can see the difference right at home. I want what my husband has, capeesh?

The bill doesn't have to be perfect in order for me to support it. All it needs is elimination of the benefits tax, addition of a public option, and an ERISA waiver for states available immediately.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:31 AM
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6. lol:
"Ya know, it's so very easy to point out negatives; so very simple to whine, stomp ones feet and bellow for weeks on end on why something is wrong..."

this describes you and your ilk on this board to a T
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:45 AM
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16. Except we're not Congressmen!
He (and apparently you) thinks that posting flame threads with his mouth is productive! :rofl: Only a fucking fool would see that as productive - it's no wonder his real world achievements are so few and far between. He's a cult leader, and you're his follower.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:31 AM
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7. I'm with you. nt
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:40 AM
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12. there`s a 156 republicans that vote more democratic than he does!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:43 AM
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13. If your assessment wasn't correct
His contingent of cult followers here wouldn't be continuously spamming the board with Kucinich is my Gawd threads.

:eyes:

Don't worry, these people only exist on DU - I've never met a DK supporter in real life, believe it or not.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:38 AM
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11. sorry mari333...i know we agree on a lot of things but....
this morning i just found out there`s 156 republicans that are more "liberal" than dennis. yes ,i know, i`m heartbroken too. i guess when faced with the undisputed truth one must accept the truth. dennis is`t a liberal,ye, he`s a closet republican. so from now on i`ll refrain from posting anymore about dennis and start posting about those 156 republicans that are far more "liberal" than dennis.


yes the dennis bashing posts are starting already...for such an insignificant man he sure gets a lot of shit here at du does`t he...makes me wonder~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:45 AM
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14. sad.
but I am old enough now to know when a giveaway is a giveaway.
I know we do not have any sayso in these matters as citizens anymore.
the big pharma payoffs to the repubs and dems have already occured.
the backroom deals have been made.

the theater of the absurd has already happened.

I will continue to stick to my principles, despite what they do in DC.

and so will Kucinich.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:47 AM
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17. Got one thing right
insignificant




(funny how the many many "I worship Dennis Kucinich" posts don't seem to bother you - seeing as he is so insignificant.

:rofl:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:45 AM
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15. That's funny! Kucinich is ready to vote down Sander's Single Payer option for States...
Edited on Mon Mar-15-10 08:47 AM by zulchzulu
...it looks like Kucinich is trying to more contributions from suckers that think he is actually an effective legislator...

Here is Kucinich pimping Single Payer at the same time he wants to vote down health care reform (after he voted down health care reform with the Public Option in previous legislation) and is willing to give the middle finger to 31 million people who would be able to not have insurance due to pre-existing conditions... and is willing to vote down the Sanders solution of getting Single Payer via the States... because he is... a charlatan and a manipulative pinhead. Oh, and he has a "Contribute" button on the page.

Dennis, you are irrelevant. You are a closet Teabagger.



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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:49 AM
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18. woot. more people to add to ignore.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 08:51 AM
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19. Cultists can't stand any critcism of their Gawd?
Your post (and so many similar ones from his followers) is so incredibly revealing.

I can't believe you would expose yourself in this way. :shrug:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:30 AM
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25. That feature has certainly made DU much more bearable..
for me since I started using it.

A few ignoreds in this thread.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:23 AM
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20. knr. Are there some DUers who don't believe health care is a civil right?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:33 AM
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21. pass this on please to everyone you know!!
James Roosevelt, who was chair of the Rules and Bylaws Committee that decided to dock Michigan and Florida half of their
delegates and award 4 of the delegates Clinton won in Michigan to Obama, as well as all of the uncommitted delegates,
is the CEO of a health insurance company Tufts Healthcare. Okay? Got that? The guy who made sure that Obama had the necessary
to delegates to win the nomination even to the point of assigning delegates another candidate won to him arbitrarily
is the CEO of a health insurance firm.
And what Roosevelt wants in a health insurance reform, is a reform that relies entirely upon private insurers.
He does not want a public option. He wants a plan like Massachusetts has

: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/ope... /

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do some googling..you will find lots on James Roosevelt, Jr. and the DNC Ways and Means committee on the delegate decisions in Michigan and Florida..
http://search.aol.com/aol/search?q=James+Roosevelt%2C+w...

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http://www.tuftshealthplan.com/visitors/visitors.php?se...

Senior Management Group
Our mission is to set the standard for outstanding quality health care, service, and value. Our dedication to excellence makes us one of the leading health plans in the nation. Meet our senior management group.

James Roosevelt, Jr., President and Chief Executive Officer


es Roosevelt, Jr.
President and Chief Executive Officer
Mr. Roosevelt joined Tufts Health Plan in 1999 as senior vice president and general counsel and held that position until June 2005, when he became president and chief executive officer. As the general counsel, he presided over the legal department and the company's compliance, privacy and government relations functions.

Before joining Tufts Health Plan, Mr. Roosevelt was the associate commissioner for Retirement Policy for the Social Security Administration in Washington, D.C. He has also served as chief legal counsel for the Massachusetts Democratic Party and as co-chair of the Rules and By-laws Committee of the Democratic National Committee, for which he currently serves on the Change Commission. Mr. Roosevelt spent 10 years as partner at Choate, Hall and Stewart in Boston. He is past chairman of the board of trustees for the Massachusetts Hospital Association, past president of the American Health Lawyers Association and past chairman of the board of trustees for Mount Auburn Hospital. Currently, Mr. Roosevelt serves as chairman of the board of directors for Massachusetts Association of Health Plans, and as a member of the board of directors and co-chair of the policy committee at Americas Health Insurance Plans. He is a member of the Massachusetts Heath Care Quality and Cost Council and the board of directors for the Rhode Island Quality Institute. Mr. Roosevelt is also a board member at Emmanuel College and the Kenneth B. Schwartz Center, and is co-chair of the board of directors for the Tufts Health Care Institute. In November 2008, President-elect Barack Obama appointed Mr. Roosevelt to his transition team to co-chair a review of the Social Security Administration.


Mr. Roosevelt received his J.D. from Harvard Law School and his A.B. with honors in government from Harvard College. He has also completed the Advanced Management Program at Harvard Business School.

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http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03.aspx

The DNC weighs in on Michigan

Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:40 AM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: Democrats

From NBC's Mark Murray

DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee co-chairs Alexis Herman and James Roosevelt issued the following memo to members of the committee:

"We have recently been asked whether the legislation as proposed by Michigan would fit within the framework of the National Partys Delegate Selection Rules. Our review of this legislation indicates that it would, in fact, fit within the framework of the Rules if, it were, passed by the state legislature and used by the Michigan State Democratic Party as the basis of drafting a formal Delegate Selection Plan. If a formal Delegate Selection Plan is received we will convene a meeting of the RBC to consider such a Plan."
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 09:35 AM
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22. Sorry, I can't equate Health Care as a "Civil Right" with other established rights.
I CAN equate "equal access" to health care with other civil rights.

I CAN equate "equal protection under the law" from GOUGING by the HC industry to other rights.

If the corporate structure isn't removed from HC, then making it a civil right can be used as a guarantee of profits for the HC industry.

Be careful what you wish for.

Health care, housing, food, are not Civil Rights in this country.

I'm sorry, they simply are not.

It has long been established, however, that protections against corruption are the role of government, and we haven't been served.

:patriot:

All that being said, I fully support a government managed single payer program, or medicare for all, or similar.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:05 AM
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27. Ahhh...
This clears up much.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:30 AM
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28. Dennis is playing with the language, which screws with the concept of "Civil Rights".
.

Whereas HR676 firmly establishes health care as a Civil Right, consistent with the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States and Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution which defines a purpose of government "to promote the General Welfare," now therefore,

FDR and LBJ didn't use the same approach to enact their legislation.

I'm convinced that if including Health Care among our civil rights is successful, that soon attempts would be made to include public transportation, housing, food, etc. among our "Civil Rights".

And many might love this, fine.

Not me. Language matters, lumping new items under the umbrella of "civil rights" dilutes the very fundamental meaning of the term.

Equal and fair access to these programs is a civil right.

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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:17 PM
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23. Dennis Kucinich is a patriot K & R !
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:34 AM
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29. Yes, petition are always so effective.
God bless Dennis for trying to bring attention to himself.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 08:41 AM
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30. Democrats have already established health care
as a basic right.

Now, Kucinich needs to step up and at least ensure that Americans have at least the same coverage he enjoys.

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