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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:12 AM
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A physician on Medicare for all and LBJ
One thing LBJ did right; Medicare

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=911204

By RICHARD PROPP
Saturday, March 13, 2010
Albany Times-Union

After seven years of academic medicine, 20 years of private practice and 10 years at the state Health Department in patient safety, I became convinced by my studies that uninsurance and underinsurance were our biggest public health problems, responsible for extensive unnecessary illness, deaths, bankruptcies and economic noncompetitiveness. I retired from state government in 2005 to help form an interfaith alliance to work on this issue.
Let me tell you what I think some of the main problems in this debate are:

Denial: Otherwise intelligent people have not really studied this issue. They are thus susceptible to extremist propaganda and hysteria. Some do not realize they are one pink slip away from health care insecurity. For irrational reasons, they are not willing to really work for an affordable health care system for all Americans. It is possible that some reasons are inspired by classism and racism, as was the case leading up to Medicare's passage in 1965.

The debate in Washington: The insurance companies have owned the debate table from the beginning, after we were promised during Barack Obama's presidential campaign that this would not be so. This has poisoned the debate and led to the exclusion, humiliation and alienation of the Medicare for All movement, which represents a very supportive, intelligent, loyal and progressive group of Democrats. We argued that the public option people were starting with was a poor compromise and would waste the energy of the progressives.

Valuable lessons have not been studied or learned: Jill Quadagno's classic 2005 history, "One nation uninsured," describes President Lyndon Johnson's brilliant maneuvering to pass Medicare. Johnson did not ask for directions from the insurance industry. He, House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Wilbur Mills and Wilbur Cohen, undersecretary of health, education and welfare, decided what they wanted and figured out how to get it. President Obama and his advisers have approached this backward.

The Massachusetts plan, on which the proposed reforms are based, is deeply in debt, with hospitals suing the state for millions of dollars of unreimbursed care. Costs are up. Emergency room visits are up and physicians are overwhelmed. Many people forced to pay high prices for high-deductible policies are very angry. Other states that have tried similar plans, like Maine, have failed.

What to do? The choices are forcing through some sort of public option, which will only add to provider overhead; forcing everyone to buy insurance, which will lock in insurance company profits and power, and fail to control costs; or going back to the drawing board and discussing this problem based on evidence.

What would Lyndon Johnson do?

<snip>

We need a one-tiered system for all Americans. Improved Medicare for All is the most cost-effective and proven system to enact.

Take action and tell President Obama what you want.

Richard Propp, M.D., of Albany chairs the Capital District Alliance for Universal Healthcare, Inc.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:39 AM
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1. I feel that they are missing a huge point
Edited on Sat Mar-13-10 08:40 AM by pipoman
If there is health care for all there will be dramatically more people seeking health care for increasingly minor ailments. I would like to see a system which allows for some self medication, low level antibiotics, pain killers, and other common drugs and treatments should be available to any adult for the asking. Maybe online chat/phone chat with healthcare pros would be good too.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 09:02 AM
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2. Nursing stations at local stores.
Walk-in clinics that have access to medical history would do the trick.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 09:14 AM
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3. Great Idea!!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 09:16 AM
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4. Why not???
The rich do it, and it will create more jobs!! HR 676 has a codicil that will retrain all the insurance workers, what better field than health care??
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:04 AM
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5. We already have that - It is called a drug store or more usually the grocery store.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:11 AM
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6. No, No we don't have that
try getting some decent pain pills, antibiotics, fuck I can't even get fucking foot powder without a prescription and doctor visit. I am guessing this is your vote for status quo?
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 01:59 PM
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7. Nope. I want Single Payer, Universal Health Care.
Put the health insurance companies out of business. Even expand Medicare care for all.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 05:52 PM
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8. Thanks. that's the idea...
Improved and Expanded Medicare for all, HR 676...
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 07:23 PM
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12. And there will never be 100%
full service health care for all, any plan will have to include as much self care as is possible. I'm all for it. I hate sitting around a bunch of sick people waiting to a prescription for some ear drops for swimmers ear, then get billed $300 for a doctor's visit/lab on top of the cost of the drops which I knew I needed when I went in. This happens millions of times every day...it is waste.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 06:06 PM
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9. Where do you people get these crazy ideas?
It's been proven not to be the case in other countries when they put in National Health Care. Sure there is a surge in people going to the doctor to have illnesses cured that they couldn't afford to see a doctor about previously, but once that initial surge is taken care of, there are fewer visits to the doctor overall because people are getting preventive care before they get really sick. Also, there are fewer cash cows like unnecessary surgeries performed for money that doctors tend to do when they need to meet their bottom line. They know who can pay for these elective surgeries and so target those with good insurance. Really, you are repeating health insurance propaganda points.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 07:12 PM
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10. Really? Advocating allowing for self medicating and online diagnosis
is "health insurance propaganda points"? Right now it takes months to get in to see some doctors and only 60% of people have healthcare..I want everyone to have access, part of that plan must be loosening of pharmaceutical laws, that's it...I swear this issue is so full of partisan conspiracy theorists wanting to see an insurance shill behind every Q-Tip it is no wonder there isn't a real HCR plan.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 07:17 PM
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11. If you had single payer, you wouldn't have that problem.
All doctors would be accessible not just the ones your insurance HMO or PPO allows you to see. I have Medicare and I have no problem accessing doctors. If my doctor is too busy I can go to an urgent care provider.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:18 PM
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18. What does single payer have to do with
accessibility to pharmaceuticals and accessing health care pros online?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:43 PM
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20. You wouldn't need to do that. n/t
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:54 PM
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22. You don't get it. I want to stay out of doctors offices.
I should be able to go to the pharmacy and buy a dose of penicillin, or even a tetanus shot to self administer..other countries with public health care don't have nearly as strict of pharmaceutical system as the US.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:17 AM
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23. You would be really dumb to self-medicate yourself if you don't know
which anti-biotic works on which strain of bacteria or how long you need to take it so as not to build up an immunity to the anti-biotic, which is why you need to see a doctor first and get a prescription. However, many people go to Mexico to buy drugs for just that reason. Also, there is a way to do it here too without prescription or doc, but I can't tell you because it would be giving medical advice and against the rules
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:32 AM
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24. No, I really don't need to see a doctor for every little ailment
this is what I am talking about. Between online chats with health care pros, my sister who has been an RN/educator for 30 years and the pharmacist there is a whole slew of unnecessarily regulated drugs/classes of drugs on the market (my sister agrees with this too). They are regulated simply to drive the price for the pharmaceutical companies. Why should there be secrets? Again, I simply don't believe it will be possible to overhaul our health care system, keep the cost at acceptable levels, and not allow for people to care for themselves on minor medical issues. You can wait in line if you want, I shouldn't have to as an adult in sound mind with vast information and resources at my finger tips which just has never been available before.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:57 PM
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16. Total bullshit. Just about every developed country has MORE utilization
--at least as measured by doctor visits and hospital stays, than we do. And at half the cost.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 09:16 PM
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17. Really...I have stayed out of the HCR debate
with the amount of feverish posts on this one simple post it is no wonder YOU ARE NOT EVER GOING TO GET WHAT YOU WANT...EVER...Keeerist, are you people really fucking opposed to me being able to buy fucking foot powder without a fucking doctor visit?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:30 PM
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19. You claim that Americans overutilize, and you are wrong
What does foot powder have to do with anything?
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:49 PM
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21. It was the point of post #1 that you responded to...
I believe part of any universal health care must be access to pharmaceuticals for self medication on some level. You apparently disagree with the first sentence in post #1, fine, right or wrong the first sentence isn't the point of the post. Did you read the post, or just the first sentence?
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3324SS Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 07:41 AM
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25. I want to self Medicate with Opium and Cocaine
So you for legalization of all drugs too?
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:20 AM
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27. Pretty much
there should, and fairly easily could be, some safeguards for highly addictive drugs. Assuming a single payer, it wouldn't be impossible to limit or require override for certain classes of drugs.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:05 PM
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13. Hear, hear!
:kick: & R

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:16 PM
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14. thanks!!
Dr. Propp is a great organizer for single payer!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:35 PM
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15. K&R
Excellent!

Thanks for posting
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:41 AM
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26. Thanks for reading...
I really don't like much of what LBJ had a hand in, but gotta give him credit for this... :)
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