I hope Rassmussen is really wrong. Presidential daily Tracking Poll is really bad

[saracat]

and the news for my state is even worse.These are really bad times. I am actually scared this time.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 22% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21. That matches the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President (see trends).

Forty-two percent (42%) of Democrats Strongly Approve while 72% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, 17% Strongly Approve and 45% Strongly Disapprove.

Fifty-seven percent (57%) believe that passage of the proposed health care legislation will hurt the economy. Just 25% believe it will help.

Sixty percent (60%) of parents believe that textbooks used by their students are more concerned about political correctness than accuracy.

Republicans hold a seven-point lead over Democrats on the Generic Congressional Ballot.














http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[jezebel]

1. AP has him at 53% today and Gallup has him at 48. Rasmussen uses likely voters which means old white

Republicans give their take.

[slampoet]

7. Also Rasmussen has connections to the Dutch Christian Reformed Church with has connections to.....

Blackwater, Betsy DeVos, and the Engler machine that made sure Bush and NOT McCain won the 2000 GOP Primaries.

[tabatha]

20. I thought the Dutch Reformed Church was only

in South Africa.

[slampoet]

26. Nope. They're also Very active in West Michigan especially Holland and Kent county and they control

the entire Republican party in Michigan.

Eric Prince the founder of Blackwater was born into the Dutch Christian Reformed church and his sister is Betsy DeVos who is married to Rich DeVos the founder/owner of Amway and a recent candidate for Governor of Michigan.Rich DeVos was able to run for Gov. due to his connections with the "Engler Machine" a group of shady powerful people that rules the state of Michigan under Gov. Engler with the help of U.S. Rep. Peter Hoekstra and U.S. Rep. Vernon J. Ehlers.

A lot of this centers around graduates of Calvin College in Grand Rapids MI, and there also seems to be an ethnic connection of Dutch heritage between the Moron Church and the Dutch Christian Reformed Church which explains Former MI Governor George Wilcken Romney, who is Mitt Romney's Father.


I didn't know that South Africa had many Dutch Christian Reformed church members but it certainly seems obvious that they would.

Also this explains why Blackwater Mercenaries seem to be hired from South Africa a lot and also why Blackwater arms them with arms made by South African manufactures.

[tabatha]

37. The Dutch Reformed Church

was where all the conservative, narrow-minded Afrikaners (e.g. Piet Botha) went.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Willem_Botha

Scroll down to religion on the right.

[slampoet]

44. Wow, Thanks for the education.

It opens up a lot of things that i only though were connected in vague ways. Now i see the connections are well documented.

I have been considering a book about the "Engler Machine" of Michigan but this tells me that there is an International connection and market for a book about the subject.

[tabatha]

47. Have you read the Covenant by James Michener?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Covenant_(novel)
On edit: although the link is from the page itself, when it is used here it links to a general page and one has to scroll down to "In literature". Otherwise just google --- covenant michener wiki

During the Apartheid struggle, there were some Afrikaners who thought that they had "friends" in the US. Also, Cheney thought Mandela was a terrorist.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/080300-102.htm

Some of the actions of Bush, reminded me a lot of those by Botha:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964204,00.html
i.e. following the "terrorists" into other countries for preemptive strikes, torture, brutality, etc.

[tabatha]

72. Also, check out this

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/23/legendary_south_african_journalist_allister_sparks

[leftynyc]

61. Not to mention an exclusive

arrangement with Faux news. I'm sure the poll the President looks worst in and the person running the poll working for faux news is just a coincidence.

[saracat]

70. Gallup has Obama at the lowest approval levels of his presidency.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

[blogslut]

2. ...

[Whisp]

74. seconded.....

I'm sure the worry is keeping someone awake

[KonaKane]

3. Rasmussen = Pissed off conservative White People poll

[Captain Hilts]

4. Are you suggesting that blacks support him merely because of his color?

[KonaKane]

8. Are you suggesting that there are bones in ice cream?

[bkozumplik]

50. not merely

Its not the whole picture, but you bet your arse its a factor. Lets not pretend its not. Its part and parcel with the crowds on the opposite side who support him because he isn't white.. Same idiotic scum, different crowd.

[Solomon]

67. Your statement is absurd and insulting. A good example of a false

equivalency. Black people tend to vote for people that represent their interests, black or white. If Barack were white he would get the black vote because of the issues. The fact that he is considered "black" doesn't mean that that is the reason that blacks are supporting him. The same percentages supported Clinton, Kerry and every other white democratic candidate.

As an African American, I have many times voted for white people running against black people. If the white person is a democrat representing my issues, and the black guy is a republican, I, not the other blacks that I know, don't vote for the republican simply because he's black.

"Same idiotic scum, different crowd" my ass. You shouldn't malign the black community that way just because you have to admit that a lot of racist whites are fighting against Obama. It's not a quid pro quo, equal palying field or any oter excuse you want to try. It's a false equivalency and I'm sick of it.

[LostInAnomie]

5. Rassmussen is the pollster Repukes go to when they want a convenient poll number.

Kos had a piece on this today.

[saracat]

6. They have our only hope for a sane government, Terry Goddard

for Governor going down in flames to a batshit loon. Terry is the most popular Democrat in Arizona. His numbers were better than Janet Napolitano's.If he can't win, we are completely , utterly doomed.:scared:

[warm regards]

9. Go with this. It's an average of all polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

[Lasher]

38. Yep, that's where I usually go.

And look at that difference between Rasmussen and all other polls.

[DCBob]

10. Oh dear. Relax and stop watching polls.

Bush the moron "governed" for years with <30% approval. Not that Bush is any kind of legitimate comparison but the point is Presidents dont need high approvals to get things done. It helps for sure. Frankly i am surprised his numbers have remained that high with all the problems going on now.

[saracat]

12. I am not concerned about the presidential poll ratings themselves but the damage

being done to local elections. My state is already halfway gone.We will be devastated if Terry Goddard does not win the governorship. Janet screwed us over by leaving and folks on DU called me selfish for predicting how our state would be screwed over. And we were destroyed without her veto pen. We cannot survive literally another GOP admin. We have no jobs, no education, and access to reproductive choice is practically nil.There will be no Medicaid(they voted it out yesterday) , they are abolishing Clean Elections, and they voted not to participate in federal environmental programs.

[laughingliberal]

13. They voted out Medicaid? Damn! Our governor wants to do that, too. nt

[saracat]

14. They may not have completely eliminated it but it no longer covers anything or anyone

I'll have to check the latest savagery they did. Our version of Medacaid, called access, apparently no longer pays for diabetic testers for those that have diabetes. A poor person who was ahead of me in line was told she had to pay for it and other things she never had to pay for prior to this.She left without her medication.She didn't have the money.The pharama cist was really upset.She almost cried and said she would try to figure something out.People telling me to relax really tick me off. Everything I was afriad of happening is happening and still the Dems do nothing.

[DCBob]

29. The party in power always take a hit at midterms..

There is a long way to go. 6 months is an eternity in politics. If things keep improving, ecnonomics/jobs wise, i think the losses will be minimal.

[saracat]

34. Except locally, in Arizona, the Dems aren't the party in power and it is about to get worse for us.

[DCBob]

36. Good luck in AZ, I hope is not as bad as you fear..

:hi:

[WorseBeforeBetter]

11. Just a sampling of whom Obama has lost...

from within my immediate circle (all voted for him):

--Me (call me a leftbagger, I don't care...).
--My mother (moderate, financially set retiree who wants justice, in all forms, for all).
--My brother (moderate, ex-military and union).
--My sister-in-law (moderate, ex-military and public school teacher).
--My stepsister (raging liberal).
--Retired Republican neighbor who "really wants him to succeed," but thinks he is in way over his head.
--Republican close friend who cried during the inauguration she was so "proud" of this country for its choice.

The number one issue? JOBS (or lack thereof). Wall Street bailouts, war escalation, and this sham known as "health care reform" are the other biggies.

No one is declaring they won't vote for him again (particularly if Yukon Barbie ends up on the Republican ticket thanks to Idiot America), but we're not ruling it out...

[saracat]

15. All of my family, on the left and the right are angry with me for having them vote for Obama.

I point out the only other choice was Mccain /Palin and they are still mad.

[frazzled]

16. Well, my family cancels your family out

Everyone in my family (besides my husband and myself, and our voting-age kids) was strongly for Hillary Clinton and really ragged on Obama badly, to the point of (I thought) almost not wanting to vote in November. Now they are among his staunchest supporters. My 84 year old mother called him "the most intelligent president" she'd seen in her lifetime.

These are all anecdotal stories. Fact is, he was polling at 53% today ... which is what he won by last November. Everyone needs to chill.

[Political Heretic]

17. And my family cancels your family - but I agree anecdotal stuff gets us nowhere.

:shrug:

[Jennicut]

25. Please. My family is full of ultra conservatives. They think Obama is a socialist. I wonder how I

came to be in that family sometimes. And I approve of Obama.

[gmoney]

18. "Insurance companies are evil... so we want everyone to sign up with one!"

Yeah, he's losing me on this dead horse, too.

[Mari333]

22. everyone I know who is a dem in this town is angry

the dem mayor here lost last yr to a repub.
she had served well and 2 terms. then, it all changed.
the democratic club here is disintegrating. this county went for obama and a dem for the first time ever, and now its falling apart again. we worked very hard.
I probably wont even vote. if I do, it will be for a progressive dem, if there is one, or green.
every friend I have is angry with the obama admin. they have pretty much given up.

[girl gone mad]

32. That mirrors my experiences..

with family, friends, employees.

He has lost the majority of them on jobs, expanding the wars, the health care sellout and of course the Wall St. bailout that they are now desperately trying to spin as a success (and the more they spin it the more revolted people become).

[Tx4obama]

19. Rassmussen is ALWAYS wrong. n/t

[xsquid]

39. Really? He was the closest on the last 2 presidential race polls.

Just keep thinking everything is Rosy, we will be out on our butts soon.

[zbdent]

21. I thought that Repugs said "don't follow the polls"

(Clinton - "He takes a poll to know what he wants to decide")

oh, wait, that was "look at the polls!" (Bush - "Post-9/11 ratings put Bush most popular ever!") ...

no, it WAS "Ignore the polls!" (Bush - "Post-Katrina ratings put Bush as worst president ever!") ...

um ... it's "Follow the polls!" (Obama - "Teabaggers reflect the will of the people; HCR is unpopular!") ...

I'm confused ...

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[saracat]

31. Yes I do and I explained WHY. My state is in very big trouble. I am worried about Terry

I detailed why I care. Terry Goddard is a very good man and doesn't deserve to fall victim to DC fallout.

[Jennicut]

24. It was 48% approval on Rasmussen just 4 days ago. The last two polls on Real Clear Politics

show that Obama's approval is at 53% and Gallup was 48% today. I would say 43% is total BS and either a statistical anomaly or Rasmussen being pricks.

[zappaman]

27. Oh no!

Let me know when the sky actually falls.

[Marr]

28. This is what happens when you coast into power by *not* taking a

stand on anything, simply waiting for the other team to bury themselves. You get a bunch of sniveling corporate stooges who sell you at as fast as they can. Their only sales pitch last time around was that they were *not* the Republicans. That's not going to be good enough next year, and we have the DLC/Blue Dog/"moderates" sell-out brigade to thank for it.

[girl gone mad]

30. Ouch.

An unpopular health bill and the lack of action on jobs are killing him.

Unfortunately, rather than righting the ship, this administration is simply amping up the propaganda.

[4lbs]

33. I always take the Rasmussen and move it 6 points to the left, to balance it out.

.

[Imajika]

35. Rasmussen uses likely voters...

That tends to benefit whatever side the most energy is on.

VA, NJ, MA are pretty good indicators of where the energy happens to be at the moment.

Nothing shocking about it. Democrats have just had 2 excellent election cycles and there is going to be a correction. Obama is doing quite well in the polls considering the hand he was dealt. I mean, 45-55% approval with a 10% unemployment rate? That is pretty remarkable considering how fickle and forgetful the American people are.

BTW, I am pretty sure Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster in the 2008 election (might have been tied for 1st place with another pollster), so I wouldn't dismiss this poll just because we don't like what is says.

Ofcourse, Zogby was once the most accurate pollster during some past election cycle and he's been pretty consistently wrong for years now. Poor guy even called Coakley to win by 1 and was wrong yet again.

[xsquid]

42. Rasmussen was the most accurate in both

2008 AND 2004, dismissing it because it is likely voters is a mistake. Not everything is wrong or racist just because you don't like it, especially since he has been the closest the last 2 prez elections. (not directing this to the person I replied to)

[rufus dog]

45. here is a challenge for you

Go back and look at the 2008 AND 2004 polls from Rasmussen. Not only the poll released just before the election but the polls each of the two weeks prior to the election. Then defend your statement.

Hint, the sun isn't coming up tomorrow, the sun isn't coming up tomorrow, the sun is coming up tomorrow. So am I right based on my last prediction or a fucking tool with an agenda?

[xsquid]

53. Drink your Kool aid, believe there is nothing wrong............

up until it all falls on your head. A poll of likely voters will be closer than one of people that do not vote.

[Alexander]

40. No you don't.

You never liked Obama in the first place, lilimuffins.

Your concern is duly noted.

[Lord Helmet]

60. +1

[dionysus]

41. i'm going to go chug a gallon of bleach. you've convinced me we're doomed...

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[dionysus]

66. rofl

[saracat]

68. My agenda is the support the local progressive Dems in my state.I don't really care about DC

anymore except how it effects what happens locally.And DC is negatively impacting my state. But some folks never really get in the trenches.They like to think they have influence federally and that they matter to DC. They don't.And the further they run from DC the better they will be

[Alexander]

73. Whatever, lilimuffins. We know who you are and what you're trying to do.

Many of us are aware of your membership on certain other sites and your hatred of Obama.

[Name removed]

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[saracat]

48. Yes I do because of the reasons I gave. I support my local

candidates and they are being hurt.

[OmahaBlueDog]

46. The first two years = buyers remorse

It was true with Clinton and it was true with Reagan. People say they want change, and then fall into one of two groups:

1) the group for whom change is not coming fast enough (or the close cousin - the group angered because their issue wasn't tackled first)

2) the group who is stark raving terrified of change

BUT --

the fear of change generally works for the incumbent in years three and four. Generally, the President has settled in, shaken out the idiots from his cabinet, and "isn't as bad as I thought he would be." This is especially true if the economy is stable or improving, and is less true if the economy is heading south.

The last two one-termers:

George HW Bush had been VP for 8 years, and then - basically - continued the policies of ROnald Reagan. 12 years seems to be about the American limit of tolerance for having the same party in the WH, and the economy was in the dumper, and Bush seemed out of touch with the problems of the average American.

Jimmy Carter was supposed to bring honesty and integrity. What he discovered, as just about everything that could go wrong, did go wrong, is that the American people really don't want a President who will level with them.

[Political Heretic]

51. That is a very true characterization of a cycle that we need to break

[CreekDog]

49. Don't worry, Rasmussen only polls Sun City

:rofl:

Actually, Kos had a post on their poll results which will not completely ease your mind but will at least show that Ras' numbers are probably not all that accurate.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/3/8/844085/-Rasmussen-flooding-the-zone

:hi:

[saracat]

52. Thank you. I really don't know what pollsters to believe anymore.

Even our local one has been waay off. But he has an interesting theory he mentioned when he spoke with the candidates last cycle. He says what with so many people having just cell phones it is almost impossible to do really accurate polling or get an even demographics.Land lines made things much more targeted.

[Peacetrain]

54. Oh really?

:rofl: kiddo that was the funniest thing I have seen anyone post in a long time.. "I hope Rassmussen is really wrong."

You have made your stance well known on how you feel about the current administration..

And Rassmussen of all people to haul in here to prove a point..

[Lord Helmet]

62. LOL -- Kabuki theater at its finest!

[shotten99]

55. Rasmussen = Unfunny Zogby

[WI_DEM]

56. Rasmussen consistently is adverse for dems.

[ctaylors6]

57. I was called by Rasmussen last week

I was shocked. I'd never been called by a known pollster before. I have to say I was pretty excited.

[berni_mccoy]

58. OH NOES! DOOM! GLOOM! BOOM!

Not surprising that Rass poll numbers would be posted by you.

I'm sure you are scared. :rofl:

[mvd]

59. Outside of specific (as in not generic ballot) election polls..

I don't trust Rasmussen at all. He can manipulate these figures to favor the right wing, while it's harder to do that in election polls.

[berni_mccoy]

65. Indeed. Rassmussen's accuracy is seasonal.

[Nye Bevan]

63. Wow. That would be terrible if this was September 2012.

Fortunately it's not, so this is pretty meaningless.

Remember how George HW Bush's approval rating was 90%+ in 1991? And remember how he did in the 1992 election?

[librechik]

69. Rasmussen is a consistent outlier

please just ignore them.

[upi402]

71. Yellow stripes and dead armadillos and

Dems with no spines

replace the Clinton-Republicans in the primaries and we might see something real.

campaign finance reform
media fairness