'They sold out the world for an F-16 sale' (Cheney/Libby lied about Pakistani nukes??)

[Roland99]

Onetime CIA analyst alleges Cheney, Libby lied to Congress about Pakistani nukes
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/They_sold_out_world_for_F16_0426.html

(snippet)

In early 1989, after George H.W. Bush became president, Barlow joined the Pentagon’s Office of Non-Proliferation Policy—working under then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, then-Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Paul Wolfowitz, then-Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy Stephen Hadley, and then-Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Scooter Libby.

Barlow says he continued to be engaged in trying to arrest more Pakistani nuclear agents. He also encountered similar activity to before regarding lying to Congress about Pakistan's nuclear program in order to keep aid flowing, but now there was a significant difference: The Afghan war was over, so there was no Cold War “justification” for continuing to shovel money at Pakistan. This time, he believes, it was simply about profit.

"They sold out the world for an F-16 sale," Barlow says.

By then, Pakistan possessed nuclear weapons.

...

Barlow asserts that in 1988 and 1989, Presidents Reagan and George H. W. Bush illegally certified that Pakistan was free of nuclear weapons in order to keep funds flowing.

Juicy!!

[Darkhawk32]

1. Greeeaat. Pakistan has the bomb because we shoveled money at them to fight the Russians......

And continued after the Cold War was over. Jesus H. Christ.

[indepat]

41. Let's hope the such as this doesn't come back to bite us in the ass someday

[blm]

2. Wake up America - another issue showing why BCCI was SERIOUS and is still ongoing.

And why many in power over the last 20 years have worked to keep it as quiet as possible and needed Kerry taken down from without and from within. He is the ONE person who would CERTAINLY have used the oval office to access and reveal the documents long kept from view of investigators and the public.

[karynnj]

3. BCCI financed their bomb

Had Kerry become President, his entire life story - including his investigations into the Contras and BCCI - and the determination to fight these issues against opposition from everybody would have become better known. Many people had a vested interest to keep what was under the rug - even if the lump was obvious - hidden.

[antigop]

4. And your proof for this statement is......?

>>
He is the ONE person who would CERTAINLY have used the oval office to access and reveal the documents long kept from view of investigators and the public.
>>

And your proof is?????

[Roland99]

5. Are you not aware of Kerry's involvement in bringing down BCCI and its terrorist funding?

[antigop]

6. Yes, I am aware -- but that doesn't answer the question I asked n/t

[Monk06]

8. How about a rebuttal from you antigop? Just to keep an interesting thread going.

[antigop]

26. No rebuttal is needed -- I'm just calling it like it is....

And that is....

No one knows what Kerry would have or would not have done.

You can surmise, you can guess, but NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE.

[blm]

39. I've followed the cases for over twenty years - YES, I do know what he would do.

And an investigator who worked with him then and now has told me so.

[antigop]

42. You have no proof of what would happen in the future.

No one has proof of what would happen in the future.

Now, you may THINK you know. You may have an IDEA based on your experience.

But there is NO WAY that anyone can say definitively what will happen in the future.

[blm]

44. Suit yourself - how about he was the BEST CHANCE of all of it coming out?

And, I will also add that Kerry (at his own expense) kept an office running for BCCI material that was collected for some time after the investigation was officially shut down. THAT is how dedicated he was to the issue.

THAT is what builds trust.

[blm]

10. Because his entire record shows advocacy for OPEN GOVERNMENT. Do you know WHY

we were even ABLE to gain access to Bush's PDBs prior to the 9-11 attack? Because Kerry took Bush1 administration to COURT to gain that access for congress. And he kept ON taking them to court because he wanted more documents available to the investigators, to the press and to the public.

Because Kerry has always sided with the public seeing MORE information about what its government does in their name.

I'm surprised you have no previous knowledge of this.

Are you also unfamiliar with the list of outstanding matters that Kerry declared needed further investigation when Clinton was just taking office?

You can find it on this thread from last year that has many links throughout the entire thread on various aspects of BCCI as it relates to what is happening today - the list of outstanding questions is on the thread, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x490176

[antigop]

25. Look, I know about BCCI -- but for you to claim what you claim with no actual proof

You don't know WHAT Kerry would have or would not have done if he was in the White House.

Sorry, but your crystal ball doesn't work any better than anyone else's.

You can THINK about what MAY have happened, but you DON'T KNOW for sure.

[blm]

37. It's his RECORD that informs me. There are Dems who side with open government and

Dems who side with secrecy and privilege. Yes - I DO know which side Kerry comes down on, as his LENGTHY record of advocating for MORE documents released speaks to his priorities.

[antigop]

43. All that means is that he has a record. That's all it means.

What he would or wouldn't do is NOT KNOWN to anyone.

You may *THINK* you know. That doesn't mean that what you *think* would actually happen.

It MAY HAPPEN -- it MAY NOT.

It COULD HAPPEN -- maybe, maybe not.

[antigop]

27. And why do you assume I have no knowledge? Just because I don't agree with your statement? n/t

[Roland99]

28. What's with the antagonism? Is it really THAT important?

[antigop]

29. I don't like anyone making claims about anything that they can't back up with proof

It's that simple.

[Roland99]

31. You're making a mountain range out of an ant hill.

[antigop]

32. Nope -- just calling people on their statements n/t

[blm]

62. Heh - all the serious info in this thread and THIS is what concerns you? Sheesh.....

I used to see you on corruption threads, antigop... when did I become a target?

So...what do you think about this thread and the SERIOUS CORRUPTION that links these figures over the last 4 decades?

[antigop]

64. You are not a target. I want the same thing you want. I want to see these guys exposed.

I want them tried.

But as we discussed on the other thread, the noise machine will crank up big time and people will be branded as "conspiracy theorists".

They've gotten by with this cr*p for so long -- I'm not sure if the general public will ever get the real story.

[blm]

38. Most new to Dem activism ARE unaware of Kerry's record on open government issues, so

it wouldn't be unusual.

But, why play a game where you act like you don't know the FEW open government lawmakers we have and the significance of their records, if you AREN'T new to the information?

[antigop]

45. I didn't "Act like I don't know the FEW open government lawmakers we have"

I simply asked for proof of your statement.

[w4rma]

20. I agree with one minor change: ONE to BEST. Someone else will have to do what he wanted done

from the executive branch. When you say ONE, that implies that noone ever will.

[blm]

21. I wish there was one other - the best bet now is that Gore gets in with his newfound

appreciation for open government and the damage that secrecy and privilege have wrought upon this nation.

I went over the Dem convention speeches in 2004 - Gore was one of the few who touted Kerry's work and leadership exposing narco-terrorism and their networks.

Bill Clinton skipped from Vietnam to .......... John Edwards as VP.

[Roland99]

24. Well, a couple of Clinton's top aides are now at Carlyle Group.

[Roland99]

7. I wonder if it's not too late to get this guy before Conyers/Waxman/Leahy et al

and bring down this vile admin!!!

[EVDebs]

9. Greg Palast's 'Khan Job' article mentions pre 9/11 policy shifts at the NSA

"The “Back-Off” Directive and the Islamic Bomb

… A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, “There was a major policy shift” at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to “back off ” from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, “follow the money,” was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die."

http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

So, PRIOR TO Sept 11, 2001, the NSA has a 'major policy shift' that knocks out investigations into terror funding.

"WHY ?" might be a good question for Congress to ask.

Furthermore, DUers might want to reconsider Hilary Clinton and Bill Clinton and their possible connections to BCCI money via Jackson Stephens,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=364&topic_id=521016&mesg_id=525217

Combine Jackson Stephen's Alltel Systematics with Ptech

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptech

and its WH, DOD and DOJ et al computer access, and what do you come up with ?

[blm]

11. Connects the port deal figures, too. This GREAT THREAD started by Stephanie

last year has just about all the info on BCCI that relates to what has been going on now -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x490176

[EVDebs]

12. Halliburton wants to relocate to Dubai

""Afghan taxes on opium production are paid in gold, and then the gold bullion is flown to Dubai, UAE, and laundered into cash. <Washington Post, 2/17/02>"" according to Stephanie's post

This is getting interesting...

[blm]

14. Dubai is the Capitol of New World Order. Halliburton moving to Dubai was no surprise.

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[Roland99]

13. ooo...nice thread. Thanks!

I wonder if the DU Research Forum is all up-to-date on a lot of this stuff? I haven't checked there in a long time.

[blm]

15. Stephanie's thread then was one of the most important ever posted at DU.

And still is.

[Stephanie]

47. aw gee!

:hi: I'd forgotten about that.

[EVDebs]

16. If Afgan opium $ is the source of the payoffs, you can see why "others" would

want to obstruct justice and prevent a FULL knowing of what the hell is going on

"It's all part of a growing ongoing investigation into corruption in defense and intelligence contracts, which already has sent former Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham to prison and, legal sources say, may threaten others in Congress and the CIA. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634250/

WHY the obstruction of justice took place is pretty self-evident

[Roland99]

18. And, as I'm wont to do, I wonder what Sibel Edmonds knows about this

given her knowledge of drug running/smuggling/money laundering between Afghanistan and Turkey and people like Dennis Fatstert.

[blm]

19. That's the key - everyone who has ever gone down that road has been targeted

in some way by this same gang that has been part of the 4 decade long story.

She was marginalized and her voice stilled in the mainstream media - not unlike Gary Webb. The powerstructure has a way of turning their HOT AS HELL stories into ho-hum, another conspiracy theory to ignore.

[Roland99]

22. And how much longer will this go on? Another 30-40 years?

[blm]

23. It's why I speak against the Coverup Dems and support anti-corruption, open government

Democrats.

I want MORE Kerrys, Waxmans, Conyers, Waters, Leahys elected and hope to see a drop in support of those who side with secrecy and privilege time and time again.

[EVDebs]

35. Brent Wilkes...and who else ? Follow the $

Military contractor Brent Wilkes- San Diego County finance co-chairman of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's campaign and the state finance co-chairman for President Bush

[Roland99]

36. San Diego has some close ties to Norquist, too.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/K_Street_pushes_charter_school_plan_0125.html

[glitch]

33. Thanks for that, missed it the first time around. nt

[blm]

67. That thread would be one of my Top Ten threads of all time here at DU.

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[robertpaulsen]

17. K & R! Keeping the word spread on American Judas!

:kick:

[moodforaday]

30. kick and rec (nt)

[debbierlus]

34. K&R

[lukery]

40. thanks for posting this roland n/t

[Ronbrynaert]

46. thank you

for writing it

[lukery]

49. thank you

for helping

[Roland99]

50. Ok, it's time for one of these >>>>

:grouphug:

[lukery]

52. everyone's a winner :-) n/t

[Roland99]

53. well, hopefully the neocons will soon be winning.... jail time!

[lukery]

54. i have a dream

all the neocons in orange...

plus all the non-neocon criminals in the administration too.

[Roland99]

48. I just happened to see the article on a sweep through my usual suspects.

[seemslikeadream]

51. AMERICAN JUDAS

Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart. Read about it here:

http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf or http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&top

[DemReadingDU]

55. morning kick

[lukery]

56. repost at dkos

i didn't have much luck with this story at dkos yesterday (apparently monday sucks over there) - so i've reposted it, just in case you want to go recommend or something....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/30/6751/35639

update - bless her heart, larisa says " this is a Pulitzer piece!!!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=788710&mesg_id=794023

[Roland99]

57. We need a new phrase for these bastards....

Culture of Corruption just doesn't cover it.

[lukery]

58. normally you'd think

that "Culture of Corruption" would cover just about all bases...

[blm]

59. Bush Family Evil Empire works. New World Order is the understated name for global fascism.

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[Roland99]

61. It goes so far beyond the BFEE. Although, I guess Poppy has been linked to the neocons for a while.

[Octafish]

68. Post-War Fascist International works for me.

The great Dave Emory coined it, I believe.

BFEE makes a nice handle, a useful mnemonic device.

[antigop]

65. Yes -- it's global fascism.

And I'll be watching all of the candidates' positions on trade agreements.

[blm]

60. You could try a different heading - at Dkos they really go for the eyecatching subject line.

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[Jcrowley]

63. Treason

K&R

[blm]

66. Treasonous to America and its democracy. The framework of global fascism.

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